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Additional Charges In Rutgers Spy Cam Saga Possible

Medical Examiner IDs Body Of 18-Year-Old Found In Hudson

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Tyler Clementi (credit: Facebook)

Tyler Clementi (credit: Facebook)

NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. (CBS 2) – CBS 2 has learned that the two students accused of broadcasting a classmate’s sexual encounter could face additional charges.

John Metaxas reports authorities are trying to determine whether bias played a role in the alleged crimes.

On Thursday authorities confirmed the worst, identifying the body of that student who was videotaped and then committed suicide.

The Rutgers campus is reeling.

On a grey day in New Brunswick the grieving was not yet over for Rutgers freshman Tyler Clementi, whose body, which was retrieved from the Hudson River, was officially identified.

At the state capitol in Trenton legislators observed a moment of silence for the 18-year-old, who leaped to his death off of the George Washington Bridge last week.

But the debate has already begun as to how responsible for his death are the two students arrested for placing a web cam in Clementi’s dorm room and broadcasting his romantic encounter with another man.

“There’s no getting around it. They’re responsible. And they are going to have to live with it the rest of their lives,” Rutgers senior Jack Murtha said.

“They’re definitely not responsible for him committing suicide because that was his own choice,” junior Nicolette Cobbold said.

Already there have been calls from at least one gay group to upgrade the charges against the students accused of deploying the web cam and streaming the video – 18-year-olds Dharun Ravi and Molly Wei. They are currently charged with invasion of privacy and could face up to five years in prison.

Some friends of Wei are apparently trying to shift blame to Ravi, writing on a newly created Facebook page: “Molly is being wrongfully accused of conspiring in this crime. This page does not support Dharun Ravi or any of his actions.”

At least one legal expert said upping the charges would be problematic.

“There would have to be specific evidence of knowledge by the actors that the victim, this boy, was vulnerable, had emotional problems, would likely and foreseeably react in the way he did,” lawyer Gerald Lefcourt said.

It’s the job of the legal system to sort out responsibility for this tragedy, but students here already have gotten a crash course in the subject of unintended consequences.

One Rutgers student said deploying the webcam was wrong, but there’s plenty of blame to spread around.

“I think they’re very responsible but who’s really responsible is our society for not making gays feel that they are as accepted in our society,” Laura Klobusicky said.

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  • Razor

    “There would have to be specific evidence of knowledge by the actors that the victim, this boy, was vulnerable, had emotional problems, would likely and foreseeably react in the way he did,”

    The sole intent by the pair was to embarrass and humiliate the victim to a potentially WORLDWIDE audience. I don’t care whether or not the victim exhibited prior emotionally instability—again, the intent was meant to cause the maximum amount of embarrassment and emotional trauma and damage to not only the victim, but his friends, family, coworkers, associates, professors, etc.

    The argument by the attorney is akin to saying that “the criminal stabbed the victim, and it’s the victim’s fault that they bled.” It doesn’t matter if the perps knew whether the victim would commit suicide—they DIDN’T KNOW THAT HE WOULDN’T EITHER.

    Also, this was no isolated incident—the two tried on multiple occasions to collect the video and distribute it online. That shows aggravated intent to commit a crime. Not only should both be expelled from Rutgers, but both should be held liable in both criminal and civil court. Their actions are directly responsible for placing the victim in a state of mental duress which led to his suicide.

    Period—over, done.

  • May

    I have experienced workplace bullying, and that knowledge was passed along to my pastor (yes!) and a church,and has spread throughout a small city. I cannot go to a doctor, dentist, the post office, shopping without being harassed. I am suicidal as a result.

    Bullying comes in all forms: boom boxes continually disturbing people who live near an intersection is an example. We live in a sick, sick, sick world.

  • Tony

    I’d like to ask the rocket scientists here that are calling “murder” and “hate crime” a question. What do they do about the other guy in the video ? Attempted murder ? Gimme a break !

    Be real ! As unfortunate and sad as it might be, he and ONLY he is responsible for his own death (look up “suicide” in a dictionary).

  • Bob

    Revi and Wei have already been tried and convicted of hate crimes and murder by the press, politicians, and “gay rights” groups with a sentence to rot in jail forever.

    Of course, it won’t be so easy for the actual DA to convict these two.

    Right now they’ll threaten them with everything they can and scare them to cop a plea. The hype has gone so far so I’m guessing they already have tons of big name lawyers who will jump on this case to defend them… sounds like a great way to get your name out there and probably win a case.

    My guess is one of two scenarios happening: #1: Wei is given immunity and they try throwing the book at Revi using her testimony. They go to court and he has a 75% chance of being found not guilty or having a hung jury.

    #2: They try to get them to cop pleas. Wei gets probation, Revi gets 1-2 years in prison.

    I think this case will ultimate hurt the “gay rights” movement as people start realizing gays are putting themselves in a “protected class” meaning you don’t mess with them by accident much less on purpose. Avoid gays like the plague or you’ll pay.

    Everyone should be treated equally, and if a witch hunt is set on these two simply because the victim happened to be gay, there is no justice in that.

  • Old guy

    If Rutgers had some real men, this would be taken care of. Used to be a time when men did not tolerate some punk harrassing others. Little Slssy and punk boy friend would be droping out of school by now.

    • Another old guy

      used to be a time when guys like Tyler would get beat up by your “real men”

  • D L

    Look, I feel terrible for this young man and his family.
    But emotions are out of control, here. You all are lynching these 2 young people.

    This young mans was obvioulsy very emotioanlly unstable. If his acts were so embarassing to him, why do the acts, especisally in a shared dorm room?

    He committed suicde he was not killed by these 2 strudents. I do not condone their actions, but if you get fired and you commtit suicide do you blame the boss, if you kill yourself? If someone breaks up with you, do we charge them with murder.

    Please control yiour emotions and stop lynching these 2, they could not have known this young mas was so unstable.

    Go ahead and call me names that will prove that your emotions are out of control. I pray for this young mans soul and his family.

  • MikeH

    I’m sorry, they were stupid but they didn’t create a world where the kid would rather be dead than have people know he was gay. Lets not end three peoples lives because society has issues.

    • fern

      They did just that, they created a world this kid could not face at the time.
      How would you react if you had a son in the same situation?

  • Gman

    Punjab is gonna get filled out more than the census once he hits Rahway!

  • onceproudamerican

    As others aer pointing out -EVERYONE is resposible for their OWN actions an NOT the actions of others.

    Since this was his house too, I don’t see a successful procecution being possible.

    It is sad, but he decided to kill himself…

    • fern

      One can be proud and stupid at the same time too.

  • joed

    Punks, sorry the student felt the need to take his own life but this generation of young Americans make me want to puke. For the most part your all losers. Paperweight people. Not much to any of you all.

  • Bob

    It’s not the job of the state to try to bring charges that are not warranted. It was a stupid act, they will have to live with it, the justice system will punish them, the civil court system will impose a financial judgement against them I’m sure, but to fabricate a hate crime is a bigger injustice.

  • JensenAg

    Sadly, the hate came from the boy himself. Reprehensible that he would kill someone (himself) just for being outed as gay. He can’t enjoy the perks and pleasures and not pay the price of being out. Just another awful case of a guy committing a hate-crime against himself.

    • GSW

      I’m not sure “perks and pleasures” require the price of unwanted, pre-planned public humiliation from someone you trust. But, I am kinda old school.

    • KPMc

      Wow.. you’re a complete moron.

      “the perks and pleasures of being outed’???

      It’s his choice… just like its your choice to let everyone know you’re an idiot. You could have chosen to just keep your mouth shut but you decided to come out on your own.

  • Nate

    What caused this young man’s to end? Was it the fact people now knew he was gay? Was it the fact that he starred in a sex video distributed online? OR – was it the fact that he killed himself?

    Who’s to blame for HIS death – only himself. Who’s to blame for his humiliation – the one’s who invaded his privacy. Who’s to blame for his feeling of shame for being/acting gay….society, friends, family, himself?

    • independent

      Good points and questions. But, I’m curious. Many are outraged because this young man was gay. What if he had been transgendered or intersex? Would the reaction be any different?

      • http://unfinishedscript.wordpress.com unfinishedscript

        It’s definately true that it’s easier to be an L or G than it is to be a B,T, or Q, but the fact remains, we all should be angry when this happens to ANYONE.

        The fact that he was gay just leaves less room for the social conservatives to make jokes about it, since Gay is far more accetable.

  • tim

    Im assuming the guys who braodcasted this are also gay… Its obvious from this kids pic. I suppose when your that age its alot different. I found out many years ago, people that wig out about gays, Get them in the exact right situation for themselves and mark my words they will be the very first to drop their pants. AND THATS A TRUE KNOWN FACT TO ALL HETROSEXUALS!!

  • Obamamammajamma

    This was a freshman hazing. Sorry, I know that many of you would like it to be more, but it is not. It happens to hetrosexuals regularly and is equally embarrassing. It does not always end in suicide because the victims make different choices as to how they will respond to their embarrassment..

    • KPMc

      And people should just take it? Where the hell are you people sending your kids to school?

      What kinds of lessons are you teaching them?

      Hell in a hand basket… hold on folks!

    • fern

      Lay off the crack pipe, you’re hazed enough as it is.

  • Zooboo

    The person responsible for the death is the individual who chose to kill himself. Putting the blame on a couple of college dorm pranksters is wrong.

    • GSW

      Not exactly a harmless prank. More like a premeditated act designed to humiliate your roommate to make yourself look cool. Seems to have backfired a bit.

    • KPMc

      Putting syrup on a door handle is a prank. Short-sheeting someone’s bed is a prank. Invading someones privacy, videotaping them having sex and putting it on the internet is a despicable felony.

    • fern

      back to the zoo where you belong.

  • chuck

    i wonder how many of those ‘outraged’ laughed through the ‘American Pie’ movies. The point is that there isn’t anything funny about this kind of thing, but when Hollywood does it & makes millions, folks think it’s super funny., Hypocrites.

    • KPMc

      Some of us can tell the difference between fiction and reality.. farce and real consequences.

      I laughed when John Belushi conducted a panty-raid in Animal House but I never climbed a ladder to spy into anyone’s sorority house window.

      Have people just given up taking responsibility for themselves now that they have movies, TV, internet and society in general to blame?

      Here’s a tip… blame your parents that didn’t teach you between right and wrong.

    • fern

      Anyone told the difference between fiction and reality?

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  • Sloane

    I also blame anyone who actually clicked the choice to watch this act online, and still stayed with it once they saw what it was. I hope each of them will be haunted with that guilt forever. Shame on them.

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  • Cecelia

    Some sick joke, causing a young man to destroy his life. Your consious will never be clear. I feel so bad for the young man who took his life and for his family and close friends.

    • scott

      saying “Your consious will never be clear” is pretty hateful

      • truthorfiction

        What they did was “pretty hateful.” They are alive and he is not. What would you suggest? I’m not even sure they have a conscience. I woudl bet not.

      • fern

        And Cecelia had the right to be hateful as am I, such actions should never be allowed.

  • noosch

    Fern mentioned that the bigs one beat the small ones. As far as I’m concerned, the kids who committed the invasion of privacy act are considered the small ones. The young man committed suicide was just weak and needed advice or a shoulder to cry on – it may have prevented him from ending it all – just like that.
    I believe that society is changing. People need to look within themselves, are they cruel animals – would they have performed this invasion of privacy on their own brother or sister?

    • fern

      You are wrongly concerned, these two felt they belonged to a majority therefore they thought it was right for them to act like they did.
      The NAZIs were part of a majority once too and what happened?
      And yes, I get hateful when I see a big one beating on a small one.

  • stickwithfacts

    I think its ridiculous to turn this into a hate crime or make it a “gay rights” issue. heterosexual girls have been subjected to the same type of exploitation for the sake of someone’s laugh. Just because someon is gay or black or a woman doesnt mean that when they are vicitimized we shoudl make it a “rights” or “hate” issue – sometimes people are just dispicable adn mean adn nasty adn shoudl be punished but when we create specail treatment for certian type of people then we start focusing on our differences which ultimately further divide us…

    • KIM

      MAKE IT A HATE CRIME FOR ALL OF THE VICTIMS YOU LISTED.
      IT WAS A HATEFUL ACT AND THERE SHOULD BE CONSEQUENCES.

      EVERYONE NEEDS TO SEE THAT THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR TOWARDS ANYONE WILL NOT BE TRATED LIGHTLY BY THE LAW.

      THIS BOY PLUNGED HIMSELF INTO COLD WATERS OFF A BRIDGE-DEVASTED AND HUMILIATED TO THE POINT OF NO RETURN.

      THIS COULD HAVE BEEN YOUR KID OR FRIEND.

      LET THEM PAY BIG.

      PRISON HAS NO PRIIVACY. SEE HOW THEY LIKE IT.

      • bardmagik

        The issue with your comment is that to say that the recording of this act caused this kid to kill himself proves that this kid was ashamed of his own actions to the very core of his being. If this kid accepted who he truly was, this would have been a point of pride, not a point of shame so great as to cause him to take his own life… and as you said, this boy plunged HIMSELF into the river. You’re sauce is weak.

    • thinksurright

      Yes! Well said “stickwithfacts.”

    • fern

      I would like this divide especially from people like you who considers this “type of exploitation” acceptable, you sound like the other dork who mentioned M.A.S.H. and major Houlihan’s tryst, if you can’t realize the seriousness of this or the difference between reality and fiction you belong in the cuckoo’s nest.

  • Roy

    are you talking figuratively,or literally Fern, or are we talking about our politicians…..?

    • fern

      Literally our society is in a mess and it’s not getting better. Two nice looking kids with good grades, give them a chance and they’ll be worse than Bernie Madoff. Good grades and no morals and trust the politicians to show the “good” example.
      Don’t take my word for it, just check the moronic and hateful comments.

  • fern

    I would love this to be considered a hate crime.
    It’s a bout time kids are taught how to behave, and come to think about it Doomberg wants to fire a good teacher because of her past, why not fire all these teachers looking the other way when witnessing some bullying.
    As long as we allow the big ones to beat on the small ones we’ll be a failed society.

    • independent

      Which part of the Costitution prohibits establishing penalties based upon motivation? I’m thinking that penalties are different for premeditated murder vs manslaughter as just one example. Please clarify.

      • ALS111

        Good point.

        But I am wondering how premeditated murder could ever not be a considered a hate crime.

    • Anne C

      Sodomy is when your wife gives you a blow job. You think that’s worse than secretly video taping someone having sex?

    • Dr. DidLittle

      No, they are not. You are deluded, my child.

    • fern

      Video taping is one thing invading one’s privacy is a crime, if you don’t understand this is because your head is in your A and suffer diarrhea of the brain.

      • Mark Matis

        It was done in his OWN room..Keep on suckin’!

    • rick

      ann, if you think sodomy is a blow job, i feel sorry for your lover!

    • mike

      Hate crime? They didn’t kill this kid or MAKE him kill himself. He decided to do that on his own because he was obviously mentally ill. How many people kill themselves every year because they lose a job or get dumped in a relationship? Should we charge all those employers and ex-partners with crimes because their “victims” were too wimpy to handle a little adversity? Come on… he was obviously a thin skinned, mentally ill person–and you are an enabler.

      • Oberon

        A person doesn’t have to intentionally murder another for his/her actions to be a hate crime.

    • AJ

      No you idiot, we’re a failed society when a crime suddenly becomes a ‘hate crime’ because said victim belongs to a ‘victim’ group. If the kid went to a lawyer instead of taking his life, these 2 aholes would be receiving the same just punishment they will get – trespassing, violation of privacy, etc. People like you who claim you want a colorblind society are the very people preventing us from becoming so.

    • http://unfinishedscript.wordpress.com unfinishedscript

      RE: “As long as we allow the big ones to beat on the small ones we’ll be a failed society.”

      Someone once said (something like), a society should be measured not how it treats it’s most celebrated citizens, but by how it treats its least. That was in response to ecenomic disparity, but I think it makes sense here too.

      Clearly, the LGBT community has been treated as the least of America’s citizenry and America treats them poorly. Why do we allow it to continue?

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