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Cash-Strapped Bergen, N.J. To Fight Snow With ‘Pickle Juice’

Salt-Water Concoction Costs Just 7 Cents A Gallon

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One N.J. county is using a salt/water mixture that resembles pickle juice in place of more expensive salt on roadways. (Photo: CBS 2)

BERGENFIELD, N.J. (CBS 2) — Bergen County’s 230 plows and salting vehicles are at the ready for Wednesday’s snowfall, especially with their newest weapon for melting snow quickly — a briny mixture of salt and water that resembles pickle juice.

“We actually pre-spray the properties, the sidewalks, the parking lots as a preventative before the snow is uncontrollable,” Bergen County Public Works Director Joe Crifasi told CBS 2′s Magee Hickey.

The brine costs just 7 cents a gallon compared to $63 a ton for salt. Bergen County has already used up $3 million of its $4 million snow budget.

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“We’re still not in the red. We’re in the black, but if we get a winter that continues like this, it’ll be very tough,” Bergen County Executive Director Kathe Donovan said.

In contrast, New Jersey has already blown through its $20 million storm clean-up budget after the post-Christmas storm dumped more than 30 inches in parts of the state.

New York City set aside $38 million this year for snow removal, but the Bloomberg administration said it has already spent more than that digging out after the Dec. 26 blizzard.

And even though it wasn’t a big storm Tuesday morning, many in New York City said they were surprised by how much snow we got – and how much is probably in our future.

“No I’d rather be here than in California with earthquakes, but I wish it would stop,” said Lisa Frazier of Harlem.

“As long as Mother Nature says, we’ll be out here. And we’re only halfway through winter,” maintenance worker Rafael Garcia added.

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  • Steve in StL

    What’s the big deal?
    We’ve been using the brine mixture for years in the midwest.

  • blondie

    Our community in CT stopped using sand mixed with salt a while ago and now uses salt mixed with sugar – works great, and is much less damaging to the environment. CT has also been spraying the brine for a couple of years now, and it works a whole lot better than sand & salt. Of course, anybody who really wants to know how to deal with snow should just talk to the people who live in Vermont, New Hampshire & Maine. They think the rest of New England & NY/NJ are a bunch of crybaby wusses!

  • BogyoCanterbury

    Saying that the juice costs 7 cents a gallon compared to $63 a ton is absolutely useless information. How can a reader make any meaningful comparison without knowing how much use you get out of a ton of salt versus a gallon of juice? Bad writing, bad editing, pointless quotes at the end. Makes me sad.

    • Tom

      Good thoughts on the article, Bogyo. We should all have your critical eye . . . and then demand more of journalism and the “standards” it seems to live by these days.

      • nik

        tom is an still an a$$

    • R. Lee Ermy

      You know what makes me sad?? YOU DO.. Maybe we can wander over to Namby Pamby land where you could get yourself some self confidence. CRY BABY

      • dkm

        You forgot the jackwagon part.

      • Ghengis

        I love that comercial… except I guess you can’t say ‘find a pair ‘ on TV.

    • BogyoCanterbury

      Sorry about the cranky tone of my last two sentences.

    • Puppy

      Well, back in the day, people could do simple math and everyone knew these simple conversions.

      1 US Gallon of water = approx 8.35 lbs
      (1 Imperial Gallon of water = 10 lbs)

      and

      2000 lbs in a short ton.

      So, certainly, the brine is going to cost less than $20 per ton. Probably around $14-$16 or so.

      • WorBlux

        “So, certainly, the brine is going to cost less than $20 per ton. Probably around $14-$16 or so.”

        But a ton of brine doesn’t contain a ton of salt. What you need to know is how much salt is in the brine and how much is applied in typical usage.

        Creating brine from salt really doesn’t cost much, Just water the water rates are. The real question is, how much less salt will you have to buy in order to get the same effects with brine, and how much the equipment conversion will cost.

    • Alloyguy

      Its CBS…what do you expect?

    • dkoby

      Figure it out. Water weighs about 8 pounds per gallon. Are you really that helpless!! Did you go to school??

    • Tim

      Can I just say, you people that trying to use weight conversions are imbeciles… 1ton of salt != 1ton of brine. It depends on their effectiveness. 1ton of salt may be effective over a 200sqft patch of road while 1ton of brine may be able to cover 4000sqft (both made up numbers). The actual weight/amount ratio doesn’t matter at all it should be compared in the square foot.

      Also, I don’t know what elementary school you went to but it’s common sense that if you take a gallon of water and add 1lb of salt, the gallon of water is no longer going to weigh 8.34 gallons (because now the salt weight will be added to whatever amount of water doesn’t get displaced)

      Morons…

      • Dave S

        Thank you, Tim, for saying exactly what I was thinking as I read these imbecilic comments.

  • Wooly

    I live in New Orleans. What is snow?

    • Uncle Ho

      Too funny!

    • Spyder

      i live in michigan, what is living below sea level and being surprised when a flood happens…….

      • Toasty

        I live in Arizona, what are natural disasters?

    • Tim

      I live in PA. I hate you all. haha

    • blondie

      betcha don’t know what a basement or indoor bathroom is, either…

  • Cali Kid

    Did anyone notice ? No where does it say they use pickle juice !
    Quote ” a briny mixture of salt and water that resembles pickle juice.”
    I hate misleading headlines and poorly written stories.
    All to common these days…………..

    • Dave

      Yeah, I’m not sure why they insist on stupid headlines like this.. Like someone else said, I’m not even sure how this is news…

      Hey CBS, there’s a big difference between pickle juice and brine salt water solution seeing as pickle juice (at least dill) contains vinegar, dill, garlic, onion, salt, water etc…

      • ben

        “resembles pickle juice.” guess you just read the headline

      • Dave

        Ben,

        My point is it doesn’t even resemble pickle juice… It’s salt water…

      • dkm

        This stuff probably contains acetic acid as well (aka, vinegar), which is a well known deicer and building block for more expensive potassium acetate products that are currently used to deice airport runways.

    • Dave

      DKM, you can’t just assume that it contains vinegar to make yourself correct. The article clearly states that it is a “Salt/Water” solution. The article says NOTHING about vinegar…

  • Kensington Kenny

    I’LL ONLY CHARGE 5 CENTS A GALLON FOR MY URINE…!!

  • bob

    in north carolina we have been spraying this stuff for years—-

  • John

    See what happens when government gets out of the way? People get innovative, creative, and figure out ways to do things better. This shouldn’t be looked at as “those poor people are using pickle juice”, but as “wow, someone out there is pretty smart.” Imagine the market for a cheap liquid based, odorless snow removal method. C’mon america. Don’t rely on the gov for everything. Do some of this stuff yourself.

    • Kevin Lyda

      Um, this is the gov’t doing this.

  • John

    I’ll take Earthquakes any day over tons of snow, slush and muck.
    We’ve not had a major quake in years that has caused damage. Even when there is a big quake, if you don’t live close to the epicenter, all you get is an E ticket ride.
    How many of you know what an E ticket is?

    • Brian

      I know what an E ticket is! Thanks Walt!!

  • John

    I use to work next to a pickle factory and that brine stinks. Well I guess that’s okay, it IS New Jersy!!

  • Barney

    Ah but then you have to purchase all new equipment to spread the brine. Add that to the cost.

    • JAndrews

      Been using Brine for several years now in Raleigh, NC. The brine dries into the pores/grains of the pavement and stays in the traffic lanes. Rock salt does get scattered into the gutters, where it just is no help and eventually gets washed into our streams (fresh water streams!)

      • josh

        you do realize brine is just salt water. so whenever it rains on brine, the salt dissolves only to runoff into those precious streams anyway. the only thing brine does better is evenly spread the NaCl out on the roads. …. but its still just salt.

  • Zufechten

    If you put salt down after it snows, a lot if it is diluted just melting enough snow to get to the surface.

    Putting brine or wetted salt down before or early in the storm keeps the ice and snow from sticking to the pavement, allowing easier removal with a snowplow or shovel. This reduces the total amount of salt needed.

    It has to be brine or wetted salt because dry salt will just scatter into the gutters if it is spread on a dry road.

    I just hope it doesn’t SMELL like pickle juice.

    • Russ1449

      What’s wrong with pickle juice?

  • Robert

    “The brine costs just 7 cents a gallon compared to $63 a ton for salt.”

    What the heck kind of comparison is that?

    • Joe B

      LOL, I feel out of my chair when I read that!!! Pitiful reporting!!!

      • Brendan

        1 Gallon weighs roughly 8.345 lbs. 1 U.S. ton = 2,000 lbs. 2,000 / 8.345 = 239.664 x $0.07 = $16.78 per ton of pickel juice. 63 – 16.78 = A savings of roughly $46.22 per ton. I thought it was wacky too, so I looked it up.

    • Some Dude

      LOL I was thinking the same thing… like asking, “what’s the difference between a duck?”

      So, CBS, are you implying that a gallon of brine is the equivalent of a ton of salt? do JOURNALISM people!

    • Justin

      The kind of comparison a poorly paid journalist who became a poorly paid journalist because he failed math class makes.

    • Dave

      I was thinking the same thing… Can’t say I’d expect much more though…

    • Bear

      ½ cup of table salt per gallon of water = brine solution
      1 cup of salt = 0.60 pounds
      2000 pounds of salt / 0.30 = 6666.66 gallons of brine
      $63 per ton of salt / 6666.66 gallons of brine = $0.0094 per gallon
      Buying brine at $0.07 means that someone is making $0.0606 per gallon sold.
      Typical yankee economics…

      • Nathan

        My thoughts exactly… though I would call it “typical government bureaucratic spending of tax dollars”.

      • Reno

        I’m not sure at all what your comment means. It’s not very clear or well thought out…

        Where do you get the number 0.30 to divide 2000 pounds by? I’m sorry if that’s a stupid question but I can’t seem to find an answer anywhere..

        Second, you’re not using 2000 pounds of salt… You’re using water+salt weights combined and since we’re not sure of the ratio used to mix, we can’t really estimate how much of each will be used.

        Lastly, 1ton of brine solution is not equal to 1ton of salt. 1 ton of salt may cover a 1500sqft(made up number) while 1 ton of brine solution may cover 150000sqft based on how much is sprayed out… So, in the end you can’t just say “OH how much does water weigh? This is easy!” because really we should be converting both to square feet and comparing them as the weight really doesn’t matter, it’s the amount of ground that is covered that matters….

      • Reno

        My comment was aimed at “Bear” by the way.

    • John

      Totally agree.

    • c Falugo

      ROBERT
      I totally agree! A TON sounds like it a LOT MORE than a gallon!

  • In Canada Where We Use Brine all the Time

    Using brine on snow and ice is now a “news” story????

    This has been going on for a few decades in many places. It is not news. Maybe somebody should have used The Google before they decided to file this report.

    Drudge is actually spinning this as a dig at a Dem State. So even he fails in this regard.

    Hilarious, in other news, the Sun came up this morning.

    • Beanz

      How is Drudge “spinning this as a dig at a Dem State”?

      Can you tell us how? Real facts, not the voices in your head.

  • WeenHeen

    Wow that must be annoying to live with Snow!

    total-anonymity.edu.tc

  • Linda MC

    Why do you people call each other names like “idiot?” Can’t you have an adult debate without name calling?

    • Leroy Brown

      Linda, I am only 14 years old. I am not an adult. Thus, I call thems as I sees thems.

      • Huge Juan

        Would that be “Bad, Bad LeRoy Brown, dumbest spook in the whole damn town?”

    • Gomalio Fung

      No, you idiot!!

  • Andrew Moore

    PA

    Curiously…there’s a whole fracking OCEAN full of FREE “briney” stuff just a bit to the east.

    You’re comment reminds of California and it’s water shortages. Curiously, there’s a whole fracking OCEAN full of FREE “”briney” stuff, just a bit to the west, that’s just waitng to be de-salinated.

    • The Truth

      The problem is not the shortage of water, but a shortage of energy to desalinate the sea-water. It takes a TON on energy to do so. Now,… if only the democrats would allow building more nuclear power plants, we could make energy dirt cheap and make as much clean water as we want.

    • GreenThinker

      You obviously have not thought at all about your comment. If an organization decided to pump up ocean water and use it as brine which it isn’t the fuel cast would be immense. In addition to that they would have to filter the water and clean it because there are laws against dumping un-sanitized water into public drains in every state. Think before you comment!

      On your second comment are you suggesting that California start using desalinization (sorry I know its a big word for you) for dealing with a water shortage. Oceans are not an acceptable source of drinking water go and try it and the process to create potable water from the ocean is incredible costly.

      • DT

        Pumping water from the ocean into a truck is not costly. I don’t know what it would cost to filter ocean water sufficiently enough to spray on the streets, but if it could be done at a reasonable cost, salt could be added to that to achieve the salinity required to melt snow.

  • warren

    We use it in Maine. It causes the snow on the road to become slush. Then the road crew waits to plow until there is 4″ of it. Makes for a slippery mess. Lots of loss of control wrecks. Plus your autos rot away at an incredible rate. NOT a good thing unless you you run an auto parts store or are an auto repair station.

    • Jerry Lundegaard

      …..I’m sayin’, that TruCoat, you don’t get it and you get oxidization problems.

      • Huge Juan

        Well, geez now, dammit. I didn’t ask you that. Yeah.

  • Tom Davidson

    Somewhere there is a line where one must decide whether to resist the forces of nature or to adapt to them. For $4 million you could buy an awful lot of snow tires.

  • PA

    Curiously…there’s a whole fracking OCEAN full of FREE “briney” stuff just a bit to the east.

  • Mannie

    Saturated brine is about 25% salt. the cost of this works out to about the same, probably just a little more, as road salt, per ton. They buy the salt from the same place, after all.

    So this may work as a pre-treatment, but you’re not putting salt down any more economically, and you have added a whole other operation and equipment pool to the snow fighting business.

    • Dave

      The cost does not work out to be anywhere close. 1 gallon is a little over 8 lbs, so there are just under 250 gallons in a ton. 250 gallons at 7 cents each is $12.50, nowhere near $63. The problem is you get what you pay for.

      • Dave

        I meant $17.50, haha

      • Dave C.

        But the brine is mostly water so a weight comparison isn’t valid. The question is how much brine does it take to treat the same area/amount of snow as a ton of salt?

        If Mannie’s number is correct (25% salt) and assuming it is the salt that does the work, one might say that it takes 4 times as much (4 tons) of brine to do the same work as 1 ton of salt. In that case the cost as per your numbers would be $80… more expensive than the salt. Which is reasonable since the water is adding a lot of weight and volume to the salt and thereby increasing transportation and delivery costs.

        Probably the real cost is somewhere in between… but without that crucial piece of data (how much brine is equivalent to 1 ton of salt) it is just speculation.

  • DidNotVoteObama

    Oppressively high taxes, no right-to-carry-guns, a middle-class fleeing out of state, corrupt politics.
    The People’s Republic of New Jersey is swirling down the toilet….and good riddance.

    • LoveNJ

      DidNotVoteObama, we have wonderful beaches, schools that likely put your state’s to shame, and are within commuting distance of two major cities (NYC and Philadelphia). Where are you from, tough guy?

      • ugh

        you forgot Snookie. We got Snookie.

      • Uncle Ho

        What schools are better then DidNotVoteObama’s schools? Newark is a major city why would you commute to NYC of Killadelphia for a major city? Oh yes the unions and taxation have driven many jobs out of NJ. In fact taxation and NJEA are driving residents out of the state. Shall we go into violent crime and gang wars in this wonderful state. This state has been controlled by democrats and unions that combination always leads to high crime and taxes. That’s a fact Jack.

  • ben dover

    ummmm that one dude looked homeless …I DONT think thats pickle juice man!!

    • dividedbyzero

      +1

  • Grundoon

    In the Illinois State Museum in Springfield there is a multi-million dollar natural history exhibit, a part of which describes the 30 freeze-thaw cycles north America has gone through in the last 1.8 million year Holocene Ice Age. Yes, that’s 30 times we’ve been covered with hundreds of feet of glacier from the Mason-Dixon line to the North pole then thawed out from global warming now in our 31st warming period. Points being: 1. global warming is not new. and 2. In the previous 30 global warming cycles there were no people, SUVs, jet planes, power plants or flatulant cows that caused it so for those naive enough to believe that’s what’s causing it now, P.T. Barnum would love to be alive today to sell them a bridge. In reality, the earth’s orbital and axial dynamics change the sun’s radiance on the earth as much as 15%, which accounts for the global temperature changes. And there’s absolutely nothing we mere humans can do about that. In another 40,000 years the northern hemisphere will again be under 100 meters of ice for the 31st time.

    • Linda MC

      You are absolutely right, most people don’t know this, like Al Gore!!! lol

  • Pat

    I guess you could say the county is in a real pickle? So do they use dill pickle juice or sweet pickle juice?

    • Gomalio Fung

      In the higher class neighborhoods (joking) I hear they use Summer’s Eve.

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