Same-Sex Marriage Issue Takes Over Albany As Rest Of N.Y. Waits In Anticipation

Gov. Cuomo Optimistic; Senate Republicans Under Intense Pressure

ALBANY (CBSNewYork) — There were passionate protests on Wednesday and still no vote on same-sex marriage from the Senate.

Republicans, who control the vote, have yet to decide if they want one — or when, reports CBS 2’s Tony Aiello.

Late Wednesday night a Senate spokesman said that discussion of the issue wouldn’t begin until Thursday at the earliest.

Earlier in the day you could hear the sound ringing throughout the state capital — pro and con chanting from both sides of the same-sex marriage debate. By Wednesday night senators seemed to be tuning out pleas to make a decision one way or the other.

WCBS 880’s Marla Diamond has the latest on the gay marriage debate

Protesters were side by side in the Senate halls, passionately for and against gay marriage. Supporters included celebrity chef Mario Batali.

Batali said he was in Albany, “to express my opinion about one of the biggest votes in New York State right now, which is pro-equality, pro-liberty, pro-justice for all.

On the other side, some opponents were in the midst of their third straight day of demonstrations.

“It’s very tiring but it’s worth it. We want them to get the message that they need to do the wise thing for New York State. And gay marriage is not wise for New York State,” Rebecca Hall said.

Forget the hallways; the real action was taking place behind closed doors, where Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and Senate Majority Leader Dean Skelos met with Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

The issue appears to be one vote shy in the GOP-controlled senate. The governor is trying to win votes for the Marriage Equality Act by adding language to protect religious organizations from lawsuits for refusing to accommodate same-sex couples who want to get married.

“My colleagues and the counsel’s office are looking very closely at the religious protections and I think they are working through that once we have final legislation we will discuss it,” Skelos said.

“The concepts, certainly, are agreed to but there is no final agreement on the language,” Silver added.

Cuomo, a sponsor of the controversial measure, said he felt positive votes were stacking in favor of the bill.

“Not that you know it’s going to succeed because you never know until the vote is actually cast, but we reached a point, a threshold where we believe there was a high likelihood of success,” Cuomo said.

The pressure on Senate Republicans is incredible. Most of them run with support from the small but influential Conservative Party. Chairman Mike Long has been urging them not to bring this bill up for a vote.

In quick order, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Massachusetts and Washington D.C. approved gay marriage, but then Maryland, New Jersey and Rhode Island all rejected it.

“We think it’s a bellwether state, and I think what happens in New York will impact across the nation,” gay marriage opponent Jason McGuire said.

McGuire said it would be wrong for the state Senate to vote on gay marriage without holding public hearings.

“Before we rush to make a decision like this we ought to at least hold hearings and look at the evidence that’s presented,” McGuire said.

But supporters said senators have been weighing the issue for years — and it’s time to make New York the latest and largest state to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

“My wife, Cary, and I did get married in Vermont two years ago, and it’s about time that we had the same rights here in New York. This is where we live, where we pay taxes. That’s why we’re here,” supporter Patty Lloyd-Preddice said.

New York City Council Speaker Christine Quinn described the issue as being in “the home stretch” of what she believes will be a successful attempt to legalize same-sex marriage.

WCBS 880’s Rich Lamb reports: Quinn Says Same-Sex Legislation A Big Jump Forward

“The effort to move human rights forward is never easy and often it takes longer than those of who are engaged in the battle would like it to take,” said Quinn. “But when this bill passes, it is going to be a monumental step forward but it’s going to be a monumental step forward that was brought to us by every day New Yorkers.”

Quinn praised the efforts of phone bank workers who have directed tens of thousands of calls to state Senate offices.

All of the Democratic senators are on board with the bill, except for Rev. Ruben Diaz of the Bronx.

“There are a lot of people in the State of New York that are against gay marriage. And the legislators have told the senate, people are saying, ‘Reverend Diaz, Reverend Diaz.’ This is not Reverend Diaz’ issue. This is the people’s issue. And they have the same right to protest and the same rights as anybody else,” Diaz said.

Lawmakers are also trying to wrap up work on bills to extend rent control in New York City, and the so-called “property tax cap.”

For or against same-sex marriage in New York? Contact Dean Skelos and let him know. And let us know what you think below.

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  • littlestar

    Hello mr. censor ! How much is Rodin paying you for his posts, or is he just blowing you ?

    • Rodin

      Have no arguments, fallingstar?

      Like who I may choose to marry, who I choose to ‘blow’ (or not) is none of your business.

  • Eric in Manhattan

    Aren’t you “religious” nuts just a little bit embarrassed at the stuff you spew? You sound so ignorant.

    • Rodin


      “Religion, n. A daughter of Hope and Fear, explaining to Ignorance the nature of the Unknowable.”

      American Author and Humorist

  • Kel




    • nathan

      they might as well. you’ve been doing your dog for years.

  • marcus




    • Rodin

      Keep your faith out of my face.

      Good without gods.

      • marcus

        I hope you remember that when u die. . .

      • Rodin

        What will I know, I’ll be dead.

        BTW, one of the many blessingsof l”oosing” god was loosing the fear of death.

      • Rodin

        Geez, I must be getting tired. Sorry for the typos. But I refuse to be silenced by ignorant rants.

  • Mad Max

    Think of this vote as a test for humanity. State by state and
    nation by nation there will be success and victory. Then a test:

    Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
    Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
    Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
    Job 1:9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?
    Job 1:10 Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
    Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
    Job 1:12 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

  • Ted

    Wow, gay marriage, calls for legalizing dope (medical use of course – what a joke) and citizenship for anchor babies. Is there really any question why we are rapidly declining as a nation of leaders and innovators?

    Smoke your dope boys, maybe it will soften the blow that you are destroying the nation.

    • Ted

      And one more thing: “Get off my lawn!”

  • Rodin


  • Rodin

    They KNOW so much, let them ‘thompers’ look it up themselves (if they can find their Babble): Genesis 19:30-38.


    Did you hear the one about Noah gettin’ plastered? What a hoot!!!

    How about Cain bashing Abel’s head? Now, who did Cain propagate with? I ask.

    • danny

      Rodin, All of these quotes are fantastic! It’s amazing how we have regressed into the stone ages. I want to buy you a beer!

      • Rodin

        I make it my business to learn. You can go to my secularist pages for more. I posted one at the end of my quotes.

        It’s on my website at
        If you follow the links at the top, you’ll find a lot more of interest including a daily tracking of religious atrocities and follies of faith. I had to add a special page for Vatican shenanigans.

        If you surf some through the site, you’re sure to find my e-mail address. I’m in Orange County NY. Where are you? I might take you up on that beer.

        I also answered you on “Cuomo Makes Major Push For Gay Marriage.”

    • PMM

      Rodin, there ARE answers to ALL your questions about the Bible.
      If I knew you personally, I would invite you to sit down with me and I would be happy to show you all those answers.
      But be honest, you are not interested in answers. You just enjoy pointing out the questions to other people like yourself.
      I will just leave you with this thought…
      Don’t assume that just because you may not understand G-d, that that is proof that He doesn’t exist. If you COULD understand everything G-d does, that would mean you are as wise as G-d, and who would want or believe in a G-d that is no smarter than Rodin.

      • Rodin

        There are no answers, only more delusions and suppositions. I’ve questioned, profoundly, and got my answers. I’m in excellent company,

        And I have no need to prove gods don’t exist. YOU are affirming, the onus is on you, YOU need to prove. There is nothing to understand but ignorance and superstition.

        I care little about what you believe. DON’T PUSH IT ON OTHERS. Against equal marriage, marry someone of the opposite sex; antiabortion, don’t have one; against suicide, live with your miseries.

        Your choices, MY choices. Get it?

  • timbo

    America is moving away at break neck speed from its founders’ moral standard of one man with one woman marriage. Anything else is immoral. It is twisted. Just look at the human body. The man was made for the woman and vice versa. Also, the most revered book in all human history condemns it as immoral and harmful. This book is the Bible. I hope the senators will have the courage to stand against those who want the way of Sodom and Gomorra in America.

    • Rodin

      I get really bored with cultural illiterates and historical ignorants who ramble on endlessly about what our Founding Fathers believed. To begin with NO ONE said anything about ‘marriage’s “moral standard of one man with one woman.”

      They did have plenty to say about religion. Here are some of our “Fathers” plus two additional American icons, IN THEIR OWN WORDS:

      “I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved — the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!”
      • • •
      “I shall have liberty to think for myself without molesting others or being molested myself.”
      • • •
      “Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. Superstition and dogmatism cannot confine it.”
      • • •
      “Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak; and that it is doing god’s service when it is violating all his laws.”
      • • •
      “The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation.”
      ~ JOHN ADAMS

    • Rodin

      “In those parts of the world where learning and science have prevailed, miracles have ceased; but in those parts of it as are barbarous and ignorant, miracles are still in vogue.”

      “The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.”
      • • •
      “Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.”
      • • •
      “In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the want of it.”
      • • •
      “Shake off all fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god, because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.”

    • Rodin

      “Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.”
      • • •
      “Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies.”
      • • •
      “In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own”
      • • •
      “Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.”
      • • •
      “‘In God We Trust.’ I don’t believe it would sound any better if it were true.”

      “Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise.”
      • • •
      “What has been Christianity’s fruits? Superstition, Bigotry and Persecution.”
      • • •
      “We can scarcely be warranted in supposing that all the productive powers of [the earth’s] surface can be made subservient to the use of man, in exclusion of all the plants and animals not entering into his stock of subsistence.”

      • Rodin

        “Every national church or religion has established itself by pretending some special mission from God – as if the way to God was not open to every man alike ”

        “Persecution is not an original feature in any religion ; but it is always the strongly marked feature of all religions established by law ”

        “My own mind is my own church.”

        “The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion.”

        “Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man.”

        “Priests and conjurors are of the same trade.”

        “Accustom a people to believe that priests, or any other class of men can forgive sins, and you will have sins in abundance.”

        ~ THOMAS PAINE

      • Rodin

        “Forced worship stinks in god’s nostrils.”


        “The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.”


      • Rodin

        “Man is a Religious Animal.  He is the only Religious Animal.  He is the only animal that has the True Religion – several of them.  He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn’t straight.  He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother’s path to happiness and heaven.”

        ~ MARK TWAIN

      • Rodin

        “A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows.”
        • • •
        “Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes and wishes he was certain.”
        • • •
        “It was the schoolboy who said, ‘Faith is believing what you know ain’t so.’”
        • • •
        “There was never a century nor a country that was short of experts who knew the Deity’s mind and were willing to reveal it.”

        ~ MARK TWAIN

      • Rodin

        “I care not for a man’s religion whose Dog and cat are not the better for it.”
        • • •
        “The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion.  I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma.”
        • • •
        “I am for liberty of conscience in its noblest, broadest, and highest sense.  But I cannot give liberty of conscience to the pope and his followers, the papists, so long as they tell me, through all their councils, theologians, and canon laws that their conscience orders them to burn my wife, strangle my children, and cut my throat when they find their opportunity.”


      • Rodin

        Want more?

        Caninist* meditations on Dogs, Gods and Inhumanities from philosophers, scientists, poets, writers, artists, athletes, entertainers, political figures and other intelligent people ~ even clerics

        * Caninism – The belief in the superiority of Canines over humans; given to the veneration of Canines.

  • rhfhe futr


  • Hate these liberals

    I care about the property tax cap not this gay marriage bull_hit. Get with it you liberal newsman. THE MAJORITY does not want this. They want to know about the bottom line of their budgets. You minority want to focus on this guy thing because it is not the norm and that is news sessationalism, right? Marriage is between a man and a woman. I agree with a civil union and only that but the gays want only what is not normal as is what the local newsman is looking for. I don’t care if this is passed probably in the eleventh hour when we are all seeping; I will never recognize this and probably will turn from “live and let live” to their tactics of shoving it down our throats whether we want it or not. .

    • Hate these liberals

      Oh! Another thing. IF this is passed, I will bet dollars to donuts (kidding) that these gay idiots will decend upon the Catholic Church with unrenting ferocity to badger them into changing their minds which is a form of terrorism in my mind. They did this at St Patrick’s Catheral in NYC for several years in an attemp to persuade the Church to change it’s in my opinion. That is when I actually turned against the gay community and decided they were not with the rest of us in the sense of “live and let live” but wanted me to actually live in their life. F_ck you.

      • nathan

        Oh! Another thing. ST FU.

      • jpoh

        Do you follow the news at all? The legislature is making it airtight that no one will have to marry a same sex couple if they don’t want to…period. Same-sex couples are all over the place, with or without protections under the law. It’s not about marriage…it’s about health benefits, inheritance, joint tax returns and more. Another group of people having those rights does not affect you one bit, but it makes life better for a whole new group of people.

        If you like making people miserable, then you are a bigot, plain and simple. Everyone deserves equal rights under the law. Religion has nothing to do with it and should say nothing about it…they are not running this country…

  • Jimmney

    So much attention on gay marriage, yet NYSL is out to lunch on rent control. NY is finished!

    • Rodin

      Equal rights is basic to housing rights, Get your priorities in order!

  • littlrstar

    Hello, Mr. censor… littlestar loves you very, very much….

  • Rodin

    Republicans KNOW they don’t have the votes to stop this legislation. The delays are nothing but political pandering so they can later go to their religious right base claiming “every effort was made.” Language be damned. Protect human liberties against ‘sharias.’


    “Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest”
    French philosopher and writer of the Enlightenment
    (1713 – 1784)

    • Hate these liberals

      You are an idiot…. You should be free from your own demons. .

    • timbo


      You are unbelievable. Please stop and think more deeply about what you. In two seconds you should be able to see how much good religion does. Just one example: charitable giving comes primarily from religious people, and primarily from Christians.

      You are anti-Constitutional. The Constitution promises freedom of religion. It doesn’t share your animosity toward it. You want anarchy. This is where your radical views would take us.

      • Rodin

        “There is a story, which is fairly well known, about when the missionaries came to Africa. They had the Bible and we, the natives, had the land. They said ‘Let us pray,’ and we dutifully shut our eyes. When we opened them, why, they now had the land and we had the Bible.” ~ DESMOND TUTU

        It’s all about proselytizing, brainwashing, ” converting.” It’s about recruitment for the ‘Christian soldiers.’

        “I’m not a social worker. I don’t do it for this reason. I do it for Christ. I do it for the church.” ~ MOTHER TERESA

      • Rodin

        Religious freedom is not freedom to proselytize and impose your beliefs on others but the freedom to THINK and NOT believe. If I want “anarchy”, what you endorse is SHARIA.

        When I lost god I found peace of mind, self-repect, freedom to enquire, accountability and responsibility for my deeds. The only loss with that ‘loss’ of god was loss of the fear of death.

        “To argue with a man who has renouced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.” ~ THOMAS PAINE

  • Brian

    Easy solution…if marriage is a religious institution, then the government shouldn’t be giving out “marriage” licenses because of the separation of church and state. Therefore, the government should just give out civil union licenses to any couple, gay or straight, with all the rights that go along with marriage now. If you want your union sanctified in a church and have it called “marriage” that would be your option but you wouldn’t have any more rights if you did.

    • Rodin


      Best comment of all these days!

      • Brian

        Thank you. I am a happily married man, and I’d gladly scratch out the word “marriage” on my marriage license if thousands of my fellow New Yorkers could enjoy the same rights that I have! It seems like the perfect compromise to me!

      • Rodin

        You’re welcome. Same here, 33 years, only marriage, same WOMAN 15 years my junior, too old to die young, good without gods.

      • Rodin

        I meant same man. I am happily married to a man whose b@lls I lick every night, but I am willing to suck off any stud who comes my way.

      • patriot23

        church and state is a term conjured by the media. their is no such thing any where in the constitution. The media is actually criminal in it’s attempt to sway opinion to achieve the highest ratings. Two days ago I didn’t care about gay marriage in the least, now after reading the musings of some of the meanest and angriest liberal tools, I am decidedly against giving in to their demands. I am tired of being marginalised so these anti-social behaviors can be made relevant.

      • Rodin


        You are truly a man of deep convictions.

      • Rodin

        @ patriot23

        MarginaliZed? YOU feel MARGINALIZED?!?

        And just what do you suppose gays have been for centuries and for their entire lives???

        YOU feel MARGINALIZED?!? Poor booby….

    • KPMc

      C’mon CBS… this above response is just ridiculous and childish. You have the power to block cowardly trolls that use other’s screen name and write perverted nonsense. You know who they are.. You can read IP addresses.

      I’m all for intelligent debate and support people’s right to their own opinions but this is ridiculous and you have some responsibility to curtail it.

      • Rodin

        Pablo Picasso: “It takes a long time to become young.”

    • Jon Kaufmann


      Nicely said. Don’t know why nobody else thought of this. The language for legalizing this might be tricky, but I don’t see why it wouldn’t work.

  • Uncle Sam on Howard Ave. in Woodmere

    Senator Diaz is correct that this is the people’s issue. And as such, Senate Leader Dean Skelos and his fellow Republicans should not have a vote on the issue of gay marriage but rather vote to have a state referendum on this issue. Its the people’s issue and as such, the people, that’s right all the voters of the state should have a say just like has happened in about 20 other states including California. So, what are you afraid of Andrew Cuomo?

    • Maryann

      Civil rights cannot be put up for a vote–they’re inalienable. The U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment guarantees that religious views not dictate our laws, and the Fourteenth guarantees equal protection under the law. The Constitution’s primary author, James Madison, noted that it was written precisely to protect minorities against “the tyranny of the majority.”

    • jpoh

      If you have elected people to represent you, they stand as your proxy in these matters. If you don’t like the system, don’t live in our country…

    • Lee and I live in Hewlett

      Want to know what Andrew Cuomo is afraid of? He’s afraid that if he didn’t use the gay agenda to distract New Yorkers, people would quickly figure out that he is just as useless as his David Patterson.

      I say a big NO to gay marriage. Gay marriage is not going to a single thing to better the residents of the New York State. This has become an unnecessary distraction which prevents us to focus on helping New York State to become the Empire State again.

      I agree with my fellow Five Towner that a state referendum is needed to decide this issue once and for all and that my State Senator, Dean Skelos should push for this referendum instead of bringing this bill to the floor for a vote.

      • Rodin

        Andrew Cuomo has nothing to be “afraid of.” Republican lawmakers do.

  • nyc

    Good looking gay women are hot. When they start trying to look and talk like men that get’s gross. Gay men are usually funny and have a great sence of humor. What I don’t understand ,is the constant media attention ? Just tooo many special interest groups and tooo many politions pandering for votes and probobaly really don’t give a rats nest.

  • PIerce Allen

    Ineterseting choice of words from Rev Diaz:

    “This is the people’s issue. And they have the same right to protest and the same rights as anybody else”

    Unless they’re gay and want to marry whomever they choose, then they don’t have the same rights as anybody else. Ruben is a bigot.

    • Rodin

      Ruben Díaz is an “assimilated” Hispanic, what we used to call a pettite-Yankee (pitiyanki), a “sepoy” (cipayo), who should know about prejudice and discrimination. But his Latin MACHO and religious prejudices trump all that.

      The reason there’s no vote and it won’t be put on any electoral ballot is that Republicans KNOW the “people” in NY are PRO equal marriage rights and they don’t have the numbers to defeat it. Their last resort is OBSTRUCTION.

    • Carlos

      Senator Diaz is not the bigot but the bigots are those who are pushing gay marriage. Those who oppose gay marriage are called all sort of names and politicians who refuse to go along with the gay agenda are harassed and non-politicians are black-listed in their profession. So if we want to keep our jobs or get promoted, we must keep our opinions to ourselves while publicly going along with whatever garbage is on the gay agenda of the moment.

      • Maryann

        The U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment guarantees that religious views not dictate our laws, and the Fourteenth guarantees equal protection under the law. The Constitution’s primary author, James Madison, noted that it was written precisely to protect minorities against “the tyranny of the majority.” So, Carlos, you are wrong–this is not “the gay agenda,” but enduring constitutional rights across America’s history.

      • jpoh

        bigots are people who want two groups of people two have different rights, not the same rights? you’re not a bigot…you just don’t know english….

      • Rodin

        REALLY!!! I could’ve sworn that in “real” life it was the other way around.



  • Mike

    Again….can we focus on more pressing issues cuomo? I mean really. The state is kind of a mess right now, and you are focusing on gay marriage? What is next, debating the official ny state colors?

    • Michael H.

      You’re right…basic civil rights are definitely something that should be on the back burner.

      Wait…they’re dealing with everything else on the legislative schedule first before they deal with gay marriage? YOU DON’T SAY!?

      Do you even pay attention to how things in Albany work, or are you just flapping your mouth without a thought behind it?

    • Rodin

      So, just what do you consider “more pressing issues” than the equal treatment of human beings, bigotry and the pervasive and noxious intrusion of religion in secular, personal affairs?

    • Ellen

      Mike great post. Your a man of good common sense, something that’s missing not only in New York, but here in Massachusetts as well. Always love hearing from you.

  • Juan

    The only thing I find sick is all you supposedly religious people using God’s name to promote disgusting and vile hatred. It’s that same kind of hatred being used now that was used when Jesus was hung to a cross. This is not a religious issue. It is a state issue. No one is asking you to change your religion. This is a matter of what is right.. I don’t acre if you think it is immoral. It is none of your business!!! Me marrying my partner is my right as we are two consenting, tax paying adults both raised in a loving, religious family. You all are the disgusting, immoral Hatred promoting unGodly people who should be ashamed of yourselves and should pray for yourselves instead of worrying about other people’s lives that in no way affects you whether I get married to someone I love!,, Wake up!! It is LOVE you are opposing!! What does that say about your ugly soul??

  • Rodin

    My suspicion is that Republicans don’t allow the House vote because they don’t have the numbers and the leadership know it. THAT’S the reasoning for all the dithering and stonewalling going on.

  • Rodin

    Sodom’s and Gomorrah’s sin was, if you are intent on believing stories of fire and brimstone and people turning into pillars salt, INHOSPITALITY, INTOLERANCE of strangers (the visiting angels) and their ways, in other words, BIGOTRY, what is SO CLEARLY DISPLAYED BY THE NAYSAYERS HERE.

    Lot and his family are spared because they welcome, shelter and protect the “strangers” to the extreme of offering the Sodomite mob his two VIRGIN DAUGHTERS to “do to them whatever you like” in lieu of the visitors.

    Want to talk about the HOLEY BABBLE? Go back and read it! Genesis 18 and 19. THEN tell me which is the greater “SIN.”


    • KPMc

      Why don’t you tell them what happened once Lot and his daughters arrived at the cave they lived in after the destruction of their city?. That’s a good, wholesome story too. Where does that fit in with bible thumpers’ morality?

    • Rodin

      They KNOW so much, let them ‘thompers’ look it up themselves (if they can find their Babble): Genesis 19:30-38.


      • JT

        Dude….you need to get out more.

        • Rodin

          Dude, I’m having the time of my life!



    • Maryann

      Abraham, your religious views have no relevance to this issue. The U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment guarantees that religious views not dictate our laws, and the Fourteenth guarantees equal protection under the law. The Constitution’s primary author, James Madison, noted that it was written precisely to protect minorities against “the tyranny of the majority.”

      Your Jesus commanded you above all else to love one another. He is weeping at your un-Christian hateful nonsense.

    • PIerce Allen

      Great so you should continue practice what you believe and stop pushing it on everybody else. Nobody is forcing you to marry someone of the same sex.

    • Eric in Manhattan

      Abaraham: How do you know what Christ apporved? Were you there? Was anyone there who asked him about gay people? Do you think gay people just suddenly appeared in the last century? If you just would look to your own life and mind your own business, you would be much happier. Churches are a manmade creation and as such, can be changed along with the times. Stop being such a bigot.

      • Rodin

        How do we know this CHRIST was there at all to begin with … even before spiriting himself up to the sky, that is?


        “You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help?”
        – Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith

  • nathan

    Well well, what do you know – the pic has been changed. Next time why don’t you just have me approve your copy and layout too, “webmaster.”

  • ron

    mr. goebbels, your ignorance and hatred makes me want to vomit. besides being a jackA**, what’s your problem?

    • nathan

      ron he’s a very sick person who posts all kinds of hate all over this site every day. He impersonates me and uses many different names. CBS could easily ban him by blocking his IP address but they refuse to do so. They know that comments like his anger people and drive site traffic. He is sick, but the webmasters here are hypocrites of the highest order.

      • AgingJewishHipster

        Nathan, quit your Semitic rambling and crying. Everyday, you cry for the moderator. I live how you decry freedoms and individual rights unless that freedom or individual right goes against what you believe in. Your calls for prior restraint are disgusting and in stark contrast to your inalienable rights argument.

  • david

    Seriously…or, at least put a hot looking couple…the pics are out there I’ve seen them. Poor choice

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