Demonstrators Hold Rallies To Call For Same-Sex Marriage Referendum

NEW YORK (CBS 2) — A sea of people rallied outside Governor Cuomo’s office and in cities across New York State, as the first weddings uniting same sex couples were performed, Marcia Kramer reports.

By far the largest group marched to the United Nations to demand that all New Yorkers, all 20 million residents, not just the 212 members of the legislature, be given a say on whether same-sex marriage should be legal.

“Two percent of the population is dominating 98 percent of the people’s will. For a governor and a mayor and a city council to override the will of the people, they work for us and should have never decided for New Yorkers,” protester Desiree Bernstein said.

Also on hand were members of the organization Connecting Rainbows, which supports gay marriage and the Westboro Baptist Church, who are opposed. They showed up outside the Manhattan City Clerk’s Office as well.

“They’re driving a stake into the heart of the most holy of covenants that God created and it’s going to bring on the doom of this nation,” said Ben Phelps of Topeka, Kansas.

“It’s plainly against God’s law and every New Yorker knows it,” said Margie Phelps.

Maybe because he was trying to avoid the protestors, Governor Cuomo held an event that was closed to the press but designed to trumpet his success in passing the the Marriage Equality Bill.

“People will have the right, inheritance rights, hospital visitation rights, insurance rights, pension rights,” he said. “Equality and dignity and non-discrimination and acceptance and non-judgmentalism that is what it was really about.”

Cuomo said same sex marriage is a victory for all New Yorkers because it shows the state accepts people from all places and their differences.

Should New York State have held a referendum on same-sex marriage? Sound off in our comments section below…

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  • Eric in Manhattan

    You “religious” nuts really need to get a life. If you spent all this time and energy on improving the lives of those around you instead to pushing an agenda that does such disservice to the name of your God, the world would be a better place. How about focusing some of your misplaced outrage at the priests who molest children?

    • Abby

      Does Jesus love Muslims?

      Oh, and — are religious beliefs a choice?

      • Verum Vulnero

        Yes, and all choices are rooted in societal beliefs. In a republic which has a system of democracy, society votes on its laws. Why is the gay movement afraid of a vote? Is society not ready for it? Are only the liberal” enlightened” allowed to vote?

    • ejones

      Jesus only offered two laws:

      1 – Love god.
      2 – Love each other.

      That’s it; done deal.

      • John Buchanan

        Actually He said in Matthew 19 v 4-5,Have you never read that He who made them from the beginning made them male and female.And said,for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and shall be united to his wife and the two shall become one flesh….please don’t distort the truth.Please don’t use the name of Jesus Christ in endorsing a perverted sinful lifestyle,trying to tell people the bible says nothing about it.That is a blatant lie.

    • the imp

      What you fail to see is that not everyone subscribes to the same tired arguments that you have.

    • the REAL TRUTH


      Jesus forgives the gays getting married

      so YOU BUTT OUT…it’s between GOD and THEM…not YOU

      • Verum Vulnero

        You should change your name to ” The Great Uniter”. Your arrogant name calling, radical disrespect for your fellow human beings, childish behavior… Honestly, why are you also afraid of the vote?

    • Bob

      Who do you think you are? I think that gays are no better than the priests who molest children.

      • the REAL TRUTH

        who cares what YOU THINK…

      • Drake

        In these words is so much fear, so much hate. What can we do but press on towards truth, love, equality and peace? And forgive, always forgive, lest we fall into an unending cycle of hate together with those who live in fear of their neighbors, brothers and sisters.

    • A.

      Here, hear, Eric! Well said.

    • Verum Vulnero

      I believe you are being disingenuous Eric.The Christian church has done more for humanity than the ACLU or gay community ever could or would. Measurably in the amount of volunteer work, charitable donations etc…The outrage is not misplaced and the priests who molested children were…Gay.Where is your outrage? Your talk of ‘disservice” is your opinion, and for your right to have it God Bless America. Americans also have the right to vote.

      • ThinkForOnce

        Ummmm, get your facts right. The vast majority of the priests that molested children weren’t and aren’t gay. They are heterosexuals who violate children in a most horrendous way. Molesters do to children what was done to them, because of their own past history of being molested. It’s a sick, sick mental, emotional, and psychological condition, not a sexual orientation. People choose to molest children, they do not choose their sexuality. I have yet to meet a gay or lesbian who choose their sexuality; it is something that they know early on and come to terms with in life.

      • FactsRatherThanFiction

        Actually statistically the vast majority of child molesters are heterosexual males. It isn’t hard to look it up rather than making up facts because it fits your very narrow and uneducated view of the world. Child molestation doesn’t actually point towards sexual preference like consensual sex.

        Also to say that the Christian church has done more than either group ever would is ridiculous and shows you have little logic or common sense. You cannot possibly prove a statement such as that.

        Your God is not my God. I don’t care about your beliefs if you won’t care about mine. It’s called hypocrisy, please look it up.

  • the REAL TRUTH

    why do all the people who claim that the church is the authority on marriage…RUN TO THE STATE to END IT?

    1) Shouldn’t you ALL STAY TOGETHER…because what god has joined together…no man put asunder and remain in your miserable marriages?

    2) AT LEAST go thru the ANNULMENT PROCESS and get the church to approve it

    • joe coppola

      Those that RUN to the state to end a marriage are for the most part not “born again Christians.” We look to work through our problems with the Holy Spirit’s counselling!!!! And make our mariages stronger with God’s help!!!!

      • the REAL TRUTH


        that is too funny to even respond I said in an earlier post…you bigots aren’t going to have your simple minds changed on a message board.

        Remind god on your day of judgement how you hated your brother instead of loving him (note the lower cases)

  • Ronald Hussein Reagan

    “Two percent of the population is dominating 98 percent of the people’s will” I thought he was talking about the Republican economic agenda.

    • Joe

      I’m a Republican who approves of gay marriage. So why do you stereotype Republicans. People like you are the ones splitting this country apart.

      • Indio

        I bet you remain silent amongst other Republicans when they voice their objection to same sex marriage

  • Shane Devino

    Those LOSER PROTESTERS ARE OUTSIDERS! THEY aren’t New Yorkers! Westboro Baptist Church is a SCAM!!! I’m thinking WE SHOULD FILE MILLIONS OF LAWSUITS against Westboro Baptist Church demanding they prove GOD EXISTS. This will flood the courts with frivolous cases and diminish that loser church’s finances. This is what the courts and legislators allow! FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS!

    • joe coppola

      Please go back to sleep, SHANEO DEVO, your hatred is oozing out from every letter you type!

      • ted


        ah that’s calling the kettle black

      • patrick

        You can’t spew vitriol and then tell others not to do it. It cheapens your arguments (which i do not agree with, but you’re entitled to an opinion) and makes you appear ANGRY, rather than what i believe you’d prefer to appear as, RIGHTEOUS. I know you posted this 3 days ago, but I needed to say this. Thank you.

  • Bob

    I dont care what anyone else does. But the day you teach my kid at school that gay marriage is normal thats when the line is crossed.

    • shaneocondor

      Bob, then you DO care what someone (anyone) else does. And before your kid gets to school and gets “taught” that gay marriage is OK-what class will this be covered in again?-how about you impart your beliefs to your children and take responsibility.

  • KP

    lol so, i guess infertile women shouldn’t be able to adopt children either… idiot.

  • robingee

    If something is against your religion, then don’t do it. But don’t tell others what to do based on your fairy-tale beliefs. America is about freedom, not Do What I Say Because I Believe In This Particular Religion. If you think someone is sinning, what do you care? Do you run around chasing every single person who you think sins and hold up signs to them? Why do they care SO much about what gay people do? It’s truly bizarre. Like an obsession. There are lots of religions in the USA. Keep it to yourself.

    • Proud2BLatina

      I so agree, I am not gay but my brother is and we love him regardless of what his sexual preference is. They pay taxes, fight for this country however they should not be allowed to marry? Makes no damn sense. People need to get over it, if you so strongly believe in Adam and Eve then don’t be gay…let everyone else live their lives..

    • joe coppola

      Ah yes ROBBIE “fairy tale beleifs.” You really have no clue at all do you????????

      Keep up Satan’s mantra, he’s got those like you on a 1 way trip to hell.

    • Sinjin

      It’s not about reacting when you think someone is sinning, it’s about reacting when you see someone sinning. Christians aren’t supposed to look the other way and say, “It’s none of my business.” When a Christian sees sin, he’s to try and help that person. Seeing this sin of gay marriage, Christians are to try and stop it.

    • tyler9385

      its people like u who are ruining this nation. this is one nation under god its been great for years but the more god is pulled out of are country the worse it gets u cant even say the pledge or read a bible in school. if yall dont want too live in a nation under god you could gladly leave but we need to quit ripping this country apart by all u non believers who dont have morals and dont want to follow any rule ill pray for yall you can allways ask for forgiveness

      • Paul

        Haha, funny it wasn’t one nation “under God” until 1954. What was it “under” before that? Satan? Law? Spaghettios?

  • the REAL TRUTH

    right..because all the str8 child abusers have done such a great job with kids

  • Rich

    So then what happens to those children??? There are more children who need a safe home than there are qualified hetero couples willing to foster or adopt. With your “insight” there would be a lot more less-fortunate children. A gay couple cannot make a child gay – it is not a choice.

    • Proud2BLatina

      Well said, people are so ignorant get over it. People would rather hand off a child in the foster care to a crack head than to a gay couple, it is so absurd. I am not gay but my brother is and he is the most amazing man I know. We love him and hate that he is ridiculed. He should have the same right as anyone to marry and be happy. In the case they cannot have this right I strongly feel they should not have to pay any taxes nor should they be allowed to fight for our country. I am sure people wouldn’t stand for that but I think its fair.

  • Koch

    Back in the 1950’s and 1960’s in this country, the MAJORITY of Americans were in FAVOR of segregation between whites and blacks. So if we had the people back then vote whether blacks had equal rights as whites….they would have unanimously voted for segregation to remain. If that happened, to this day segregation’s ugly face would probably still be in effect.

    Congratulations to ALL Gays and Lesbians on a HISTORIC VICTORY for you all. CHEERS!!!!! EQUALITY FOR ALL!!!!!

    • Adeyinka O McAdewunmi

      You got the issue all mixed up.The state election or refferandum is different from the federal law.It is the people of that state,who have the right to decide wether they are for gay right or not.This is on the state level,not on the federal level.You have forgotten what the supreme court did,when it annul the sodomy law that was in the book in the state of Texas.When you talked of equality,you should also think of the right of a poligamist too.Didnt he have a right to marry as many wives as he want? This gay nonsense will only lead to a free- for- all society-anarchy.This is the begining of the end of America as a republic.

    • Rev. Charles

      No thanks for these brazened, hardened, brash and inappropriate statements.

      • the REAL TRUTH

        truth hurts huh Rev

      • Indio

        Rev. Charles
        Why not encourage law makers to allow parents to punish their unruly children as per Leviticus 20:9????

        OH Right you and others like you pick and chose what parts of the bible should be followed and not followed.

    • the seer

      against desegragation demanding upright moral treatment towards blacks

      demanding that imorality [not be] promoted and passed as law



      So that you will understand. within the last 20 years the spirituial war has increased and intensified. Satan; lord and ruler of the dark principalities of this world… has set out to turn man completely away from GOD . This warfare
      is spoken of in the scriptures [ new test. EPHESIANS 6TH CHAPTER,VERSE 12….. ROMANS 8TH CHAPTER VERSE 38.

      SATANS TACTIC.. IS NOW THAT OF PERVERSION … preaching what is wrong into the ears of the world until they all believe lies and that rather than the truth. SO; This is being done in such a manner as to corrupt the mind of our children from birth.. SO; we as believers are in the fight.


      [1]. it twists the mind; so that one cannot discern right from wrong although
      the two are evidently manifested to men by God; even in nature

      [2] it hates everything and every one who is for the right; even accusing those seeking to promote uprightness of being haters.

      [3]. it uses the mass media to promote the ways of this world[ which is the voice of the beast]

      [4]. it seeks to corrupt the mind of the seed of man and our children from the
      cradle. [ through degrading music and lustful images on TV. movies …SO ON[]

      [5]. it appeals to the so called educated of this world; to persuade the mass to believe a lie rather than to listen to or do ; what God has commanded

      • the REAL TRUTH

        but this only works if you believe in the bible that some dudes wrote as being worth anything. see to people who don’t follow your beliefs this means nothing…at the end…either you are surprised that non believers are right or non believers are surprised you are right.

        marriage and the right to it…is a government function. not a religious function if you don’t like the facts…sorry

      • ThinkForOnce

        People have been complaining that the world has been on the verge of the Apocalypse since the Dark Ages. I am not one to scoff at the Bible, as that I am a Christian, but I have a hard time even agreein with you. Too many people chalk all bad things up to Satan, when it’s really just about our being perfectly imperfect. The Bible isn’t 100% factual because it was written by a people who used allegory to explain the world around them. As for the gays, Christ would have spent time with them, not the religious right of today. It’s people like you who give all God-believing people a bad rap. Use your brain, read, and study the Bible, and interpret it in the context within it was written. Heck, Satan is a Hebrew demon, as is Beelzebub. And when the Bible was being compiled, the Christians even were split on agreeing to Christ’s divinity (and this was only 200 years after Christ left).

      • Adeyinka O McAdewunmi

        Adolf Hitler too made that statement.He said that,if you tell the same lie over and over and over again,after awhile,you too will start believing in your own lies.This is what is happening today in America.Lots of people are now believing in all thse lies from the gay community.It is now being reflected on the kids.they are begining to beleive in this gay lies!Did you know that Hitler too was gay?

  • Steve E. kaisewr

    I am wondering why you folks don’t get upset when the same 212 take your rights and money away from you. most people would disagree with their decisions about almost anything they do. Bust the gays chops and smile as the politicians take your rights and money. If your thinking is right then every politicial thing should be recalled.
    you are truly a sad bunch.

  • Bob

    Seems like folks here forgot about the First Amendment! Remember, that’s the one that has separation of church and state. The bible is the only place where it says 2 men or 2 women cannot get married, not our constitution. Therefore, no law is really needed for these folks to get married in the first place, now that is if we went by what our constitution says and not what other people want. If we all mined our own business and don’t throw stones at another persons windows we would all be better off. I am Roman Catholic as I am sure lots of folks on here are. If these folks feel the need to sin so be it, that is For God to decide and not you and I.

    • A.

      Yay, Bob! I was going to mention the separation of church and state, but you beat me to it. That’s one of the biggest problems in our country, that the dividing line has become so blurred. Believe what you want, people, just keep it to yourself and stop shoving your beliefs down others’ throats. It’s really rude and unwelcome…and you also risk looking crazy.


      read the first amendment bob THERE IS NO SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE any where in it – why dont you actually read it instead of just spouting cliches you hear from other morons and the media this is the problem people just repeat what other idiots say with out reading for themselves – here ill make it easy for ya

      Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

      dont see anything about separation of church and state

      • David Stern

        Lordgod, conservatives always say they don’t activist judges who legislate from the bench. They want to interpret the Constitution from the Founding Father’s original intent.

        THis is exactly what happened when the Danbury Baptists wrote their letter to THomas Jefferson. THey asked him what the Founding Fathers were thinking when they wrote the FIrst Amendment. It is his response where the phrase “wall of seperation” was coined. Now, if you don’t like the Founding Fathers original intent, I am OK with that. Everybody has a right to an opinion. But, then you would not be a Constitutional Originalist and you should work to change the Constitution to fit your viewpoint. Until then, the interpretation is that the original intent was for a “wall of seperation”, as stated in Jefferson’s letter.
        THere were other confirming events to this viewpoint, such as article 11 in the Treaty of Tripoli (you can look this up, if you don’t already knowit). This clause was debated in the COngress, and passed unanimously, by a congress including many founding fathers.

  • Jacob

    If marriage is between same sex , there should be either only men or women NOT both.

  • Ralph

    GAYMAGGEDON, NY’s doomed. lots of gay peeps gonna be doing PDA out the streets.

    • ThinkForOncr

      Oh no! Heaven forbid people express their love for someone else in public! Maybe everyone should stop PDAs in public so that no one is offended.

  • BF

    What has our world come to. The governor is living with a mistress in Albany and the Mayor is marrying two gay people who will eventually commit sodomy. Not to many years ago this stuff would have repulsed a community to the point of asking these gentleman to step down. This is definitely because we have to much sugar in our drinks and our heads are clouded with to much smoke and our food is to salted. We all lack the moral value to really stand up and say there should be some moral values. By the way have you noticed that we are broke, except for the insulated rich. Look at Leviticus 26 in the Bible. Get ready for a fun ride because we are self destructing ourselves with all of our pride and super intelligence.

    • ThinkForOnce

      The story of Sodom is about a violation of hospitality and coercion. The ancient Hebrew people held hospitality in almost as a high regard as God. Leave it to the people who want to persecute others to make it about a sexual act rather than what the story was intended about. Good Lord, have any of you religious-spouting devotees every read, researched, and CRITICALLY thought about your religion? No, you just believe everything told to you during your hour-long sermons…because God knows the preachers don’t have their own opinion, understanding, and interpretations of the good book.

    • whocares

      “Commit Sodomy” really? the act of sodomy was caused by the village of Sodom, where the men in that village got tired of raping their women and children and decided to rape the newcomers (male angels) because they had nothing better to do. Gay people are not commiting ‘sodomy’ as they are not ‘raping’ others…their sexual life shouldn’t define who they are idiots. don’t believe me? look up all those bible’ version and you will see it somewhere in there..though why people would listen to a book written by a man high on weed is beyond me…

    • Cynthia H

      You Are So Right About Everything YouHave Stated In Your Post According To The GOD” Who Has All Authority Over All Creation . Satan Is The God Of What Is Happening Here On Earth , But God” Will Reward In His Time Soon” To Come. — LEVITICUS 18:22. GOD” Will Have The Last Word!!!

      • Cynthia H

        BF: Your Are So Right My Response Is To You

  • Grant

    And that is why dinosaurs was white out by the nature.
    How women can have a baby if she does not have man and man cannot get pregnant since god or nature did not build him for that.
    Good luck humanity if you blessing this unnatural behavior.

    • robingee

      Right. Dinosaurs were gay. So thats why they were wiped out.

      (cuckoo! cuckoo!)

    • Proud2BLatina

      Get over it! Its none of your business what people decide to do with their lives.

      If you don’t like it that is fine but who are you tell anyone what to do with themselves. Grow up!

  • Nathan

    “Two percent of the population is dominating 98 percent of the people’s will.”

    Sorry 98% of the population can’t ever tell 2% who to love. Gay isn’t going away. You don’t like it? Bummer. Don’t you have better things to do on your weekend than march on the United Nations? Go home, relax, love your family. Its all we are trying to do.

    • Rev. Charles

      Go to Saudi Arabia and tell them you are gay.

      • the REAL TRUTH

        go tell them you are a REV

      • Ed

        What does that have to do with anything?

      • Indio

        @REv Charles why don’t you move there?? Hey at least the government is theocratic…
        OH I see it has to be a Christian theocracy…
        Something that you would just love to see happen in USA

    • Proud2BLatina

      Nathan well said……

  • Dr Rob

    Governor Cuomo is taking the purity of mankind and destroying it,

    • Ed

      Haha the purity of mankind? Greed and murder totally make us pure its the gay marriage that has nothing to do with anyone else besides GAY people thats going to bring the world down.

      Love your logic.

  • Bob Fowler

    mar·riage   /ˈmærɪdʒ/ Show Spelled
    [mar-ij] Show IPA

    1. a. the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.

    Taken directly from There is a second meaning added, that would signify same sex couples, but, if it were the true meaning of the word, why wouldn’t it be part of the #1 definition?

    • CJAFHH

      Ooh, let’s see Bob, and another definition of marriage:
      Marriage is a social union or legal contract between people that creates kinship. It is an institution in which interpersonal relationships, usually intimate and sexual, are acknowledged in a variety of ways, depending on the culture or subculture in which it is found. Such a union, often formalized via a wedding ceremony, may also be called matrimony.

      another more antiquated definition:
      a union where the wife’s inferior social status was held to prohibit her children from inheriting a noble’s titles or estates. In this case, the morning gift would support the wife and children

      so you see, one can follow the definition of marriage as dictated by, or one can simply realize that the institution evolves as humans themselves evolve.

      • truth

        thats right make up your own definition You may as well change the definition of rectum to the canal in which same sex marriage is consummated

    • Bob Fowler

      CJAFHH…thanks for proving my point. If you have a turkey sandwich, it should include turkey and bread, right? Now you can call a plate of lasagna a turkey sandwich, but that doesn’t make it so, does it?

      I am not opposed to equal rights or protection under the law, regardless of my beliefs, but, when you attempt to redefine a religious institution, to serve a secular ‘need’, you are wrong. Can you imagine the Ku Klux Klan being able to insist that Jews no longer observe Passover? By the very nature of the name, girls don’t belong in Boy Scouts. It doesn’t make them inferior. But it also doesn’t mean they should be allowed to join. So too gays. Why must they take a religious term and associate it with something that is in direct opposition to the doctrine for which t was founded? Did all of the other words refuse to be used, and marriage was the only one left?

      • Six Starborn

        Bob maybe the traditionalist will be more interested in not the definition of marriage but the traditional way it played out where man took ownership of the women. People have to remember just 100 years ago in America marriage was not about love but survival.

      • the REAL TRUTH


        Marriage isn’t a a monopoly of religion…you need a STATE ISSUED marriage license to get married.

        Besides BIGOTS like you will never be convinced on message boards

      • Brian Miller

        Tell me, which city offices issue Passover Licenses?

      • David Stern

        Bob, clearly, over time, a turkey sandwich may, in fact, come to mean a plate of lasagna. Word definitions are not defined by god, they are defined by man. They evolve. Poignant used to mean sad. Now it means “pointed”. Penultimate used to mean second from the top, now it means “more than ultimate”, whatever that is.
        Now, if you want to get all Platonic, and talk about Archetypes, then we maybe we can talk about unchanging definitions of “concepts”. But then we would have to define our a priori assumptions, and most people don’t even know what those are.
        The word marriage has, in fact, evolved over time. I hear Christians say that marriage has been defined as a Union between a man and a woman for 5,000 years, and, these are supposedly Bibke reading Christians. Surely, they should remember the amount of wives that Abraham or King Soloman had. It was actually the Romans that decreed that Christians and Jews had to follow the Greek tradition of a single wife, that ended Polygamy. And there were certainly many societies, like the Spartans, that recognized a formal love and sexual relationship between people of the same sex, and they survived longer than the US.
        Remember, Rome fell after it became a conservative Christian empire (Edict of Milan,313). It thrived as a sinful pagan place.

  • Dorothy

    CBS Thank you for covering this news story!

  • James Hodges

    Three cheers for Desiree Bernstein taking a stand against Cuomo’s passing of the “Marriage Desecration Bill.”

  • James Hodges

    Does this stinking site work?

  • pugphan

    Somethings need to be straightened out: 1) Jesus said some are not meant to marry, for they are born that way, (Mat: 19;3-12, check it out; ; 2) the love of God is not for every body, it is for those whom do HIS will; 3) of all the sins in the bible, sodomy is the only abomination. You gay peeps need to get your heads out of your
    arse. I fear for all of us because the innocent suffer along with sinners sometimes.
    Aids has brought grief on everybody, I don’t care what anybody says, that is divine justice at work. WAKE UP! smokersodysseycom

    • lydia

      I can’t believe such ignorance is interrupting such a beautiful day for love and equality! Congratulations to those of you finally gaining the right to marry, I can’t believe this was ever an issue and still is an issue in so many states in the land of the free.
      I am a 28 years old doctor, mature and beautiful.and now I am seeking a good man who can give me real love , so i got a username Andromeda2002 on–s’e’ek’c’ou’ga’r.c óm–.it is the first and best club for y’ounger women and old’er men, or older women and y’ounger men,to int’eract with each other. Maybe you wanna ch’eck ‘it out or tell your friends!

    • Johnny Rockaway

      He was talking about Eunichs and Castratos…..Are you for real………And FYI The Old Testament came from the Torah…and the Torah has like 5 million abominations…..Its all semantics….Aids didn’t bring grief on everybody……prolly you didnt suffer much…….. Oh one more thing Sunshine……..Everybody is ONE WORD !

    • Alan S

      One of the most important concepts of our nation’s Constitution is called separation of church and state, something you don’t seem to understand. The law allows secular gay marriages. No one is forcing your church to recognize their religious validity or to perform these weddings if they go against your group’s religious beliefs. Some religious organizations support it, what proof do you have that you’re religion is right or better than every other religion, or even that a deity of any sort even exists? I’m Jewish, so what some dead guy may or may not have said 2,000 years ago is irrelevant to me. How would you like it if we based our laws on my religion and we made it a crime to eat ham, pork, shellfish, etc.? While this issue doesn’t affect me personally, I’m offended when anyone wants to tell me how to live my life because of what they think their religious books say. I’d rather base those decisions on my own beliefs. If I want to use religion to guide my life, I want to have the right to use it voluntarily, and to go by my own religion, religious books, interpretations, etc.

      • RichieT

        It’s not “separation of of church and state”. What it actually is, is even more appropriate.
        “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”
        There can’t be any law based on, influenced by, or that denies any aspect of any religious belief. .
        “Free exercise thereof” is why churches don’t pay taxes. They don’t have to.
        “abridged” is used allot in the Constitution. Whit it is, is an archaic word for limit.

  • Ed Schneider

    Ladies and Gentlemen, the Declaration of Independence guaranteed our right to enjoy the privileges equally. the Church has no place in this. GAWD WHY ARE WE THE ONLY NATION THAT FIGHTS THIS

    • RichieT

      Actually, it was the 1st amendment. The Declaration of Independence is a [piece of history,. The United States did not exist until the Constitution was writing and approved.:
      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

    • James Hodges

      In fact, the Church does have a role to play in this. It’s best explained this way…

      “The Declaration of Independence dogmatically bases all rights on the fact that God created all men equal; and it is right; for if they were not created equal, they were certainly evolved unequal. There is no basis for democracy except in a dogma about the divine origin of man.” ~ G. K. Chesterton

  • NYSmike

    We still love all of you fake christians, but really, following the likes of that damned westboro church and fake phelps is embarrassing.

  • Not a Bruce

    Lets say we are in a land where gays outnumber straights 51 % to 49% would you as a straight human want the laws on how you can live your life decided by a vote.

    • Dr Rob

      But its not…

      • Nathan

        Good observation. Great way to avoid the statement that made you uncomfortable.

  • Aliza

    Who said marriage IS HAPPINESS? It is a sacred and holy covenant that produces happiness when it kept holy and sacred (which is a lot very challenging and fulfilling work.) There was no need for this. Most people would have been okay w/ civil unions but this was forced on all of us, like it or not.

    • Ed Schneider

      I would have to call the bluff on this. Every year, millions of Americans file for divorce. If we are going to outlaw something based on it being called marriage, then I want divorce outlawed.

    • the imp

      How was same sex marriage ‘forced on all of us’? Are you now required to marry someone of the same sex??

  • s l

    there all sick in there hed. thay belong in the zoo.

    • HooDatIS?

      Sl you must be the zoo’s first new resident, Goofy the Guinea pig
      i didnt know they let the guinea pigs use the wifi
      taxpayers dollars being wasted once again

  • Lisa

    I told my husband that our marriage was a farce,everything about marriage now means nothing(man on man woman on woman man and dog) we are getting divorced…I’m sooooo happy thank you to the pink team!,,,,,,

    • NYSmike

      Are you dating a dog now?

  • simon goldfarb

    THE United Jewish Federation has called for a public stoning of this communist mayor.

    • NYSmike

      Ahhh take yourself to New Square where you can’t even accept your own people.

  • Doug

    Ritchie–you’ve obviously been watching too much of the nutty little man with the blackboard, haven’t you? Right out of the playbook of Glen Beck. Fool!

  • A.

    Thank you to all the non-hating, straight allies, and to all you others: get a life and stop judging others!!

    • NYSmike


  • RichieT

    People can say any they want. This country is a Republic. not a Democracy.
    If it was a Democracy. where public opinion determine the laws, The 19th Amendment would never have been ratified,and there would still be slaves.
    People DO NOT have the right to determine the laws of this country, The right to vote, yes, Approve or deny amendments yes, laws no. It takes 3/4 of the states to approve an amendment before it can be ratified.
    The 19th Amendment;
    “The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.”
    It took 42 years from when it was first proposed to finally grant women
    the right to vote. .
    (Grant, or revoke are permissions, give or take are things)

    • Doug

      Ritchie–you’ve obviously been watching too much of the nutty little man with the blackboard, haven’t you? Right out of the playbook of Glen Beck. Fool!

      • RichieT

        Welcome to The United States
        Laws are NOT determined by popular vote
        I’ve spent allot of time online looking up how the constitution, and the amendments actually work..
        Have you?
        Legally Ratify an amendment.
        The 10th.
        The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
        That’s what the immigration battle is over. States vs Government. It’s not defined in the Constitution . It automatically defaults to States Rights.
        Citizenship is federal, immigration isn’t.
        Citizen Born in the United States
        The 14th
        Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

  • Ruby

    A gay man killed a Jew in Brooklyn. Imagine what a gay married couple will do to a child. I’m disgusted

    • RichieT

      Does that mean that Hitler, and his Nazi army that slaughtered app. six million Jews were gay?????

    • Six Starborn

      Whites enslaved and lynched African people, imagine what theyll do if theyre allowed to adopt black children

      • Verum Vulnero

        Africans enslaved Africans, The Dutch, English and Portuguese from black( Ghana) slave traders and brought them to America. Pick a race, country, all have the terrible atrocity of slavery in their history. Your snide remark lacks substance.

    • the REAL TRUTH

      Joel Steinberg and Hedda Nussbaum

  • ed

    Thank you, Peg.

  • Peg

    Absolutely they should have voted on this. Just like they allowed a vote to repeal slavery, right? Get it through your thick skulls, civil rights of a minority CANNOT be put to a public vote. Plato knew this way back when, why can’t you understand it?

    • CJAFHH

      Bravo Peg, Bravo!

    • Wilson

      It’s not a civil right jerk,its common sense Man=Woman= MARRIAGE. Not woman=vacuum or man= beer and god has nothing to do with it!

      • RichieT

        common sense doesn’t have a da2883 thing to do with laws.

      • Algia Dockery


      • Nathan

        Man = Woman?

        If you want a traditional definition of marriage:
        Woman = Man’s property…

        If we are going to redefine it as a union of love (recommended), I don’t see your argument why any two legal consenting adults can’t love each other.

    • NYS stinks

      You have a civil right to lick carpet but it’s not moral to marry

      • the REAL TRUTH


        so MLK said He had a dream where blacks are treated morally…man that is one twisted look at the movement

      • Nathan

        Depends on where your morals are from? Some of mine are not from Christianity, but from cultures and religions where gay is alright, and love isn’t limited to genitalia.

        Since it’s America and we have no national religion, nor will we (per constitution) other peoples morals are valid as well.

        Maybe you should spend more time on your morals, and less on mine.

    • TrainerCary


    • Family ties

      Is there a peg in ur hole

  • The Creator

    JIm, Frank, etc.,

    How exactly are you/they being bashed? You cannot back up what you anything you write with facts. In what westernized country where same-sex marriage is legal are people marrying their pets and or children? Now use your critical thinking skills and answer the question accurately. You think you could do that?

    And as for JIM, putting a civil rights issue on the ballot to “see what our society should look like” probably violates Equal Protection Laws guaranteed by the Constitution. This is something our supreme court here in California didn’t think about when they even let Prop H8 on the ballot.

  • roberto

    they should legalize it in new york i mean come on does it really doesnt matter who getting married i wimen and 1 guy to 2 wome, if they are happy thats the only thing that should matter. and no religous fanatisim or ones orejudice will change that.

    • CJAFHH

      I know, you are correct, it shouldn’t matter, why do they care, right? But Roberto, I think it boils down to this: gay marriage is beautiful, like heterosexual marriage. I think for those against it, they try to hide behind the veil of religion, they fail to realize that the intent of religion is peace and love. They are against gay marriage because they would rather be on the side of hate than love, and their own lives simply aren’t fullfilling enough so the bond between two men and two women disturbs their sensibilities, it disturbs their sad, empty lives.

      • A.

        CJAFHH, I couldn’t agree with you more!

      • ly

        I guess it’s time to legalize man animal union!!!

  • Ryan

    Though I am a Democrat and voted for Cuomo, in this issue I am against his position. Don’t bypass the voting process, give New Yorkers a shot at their own Prop 8 and let’s see what happens. In the public eye many NY Senators felt the pressure to vote in support of gay “marriage” for fear of being called names, so let’s take it to the polls where we can all cast our votes in private and see what happens.

    • CJAFHH

      Ahm, Ryan, can you elaborate on which Senators voted for fear of being called names, instead of doing their jobs for which we voted them in? I would love to know those senators’ names, and how you have such insight into the voting thoughts of said Senators. That would be a huge miscarriage of justice if they did in fact vote under threat or fear of “name-calling”, sounds like middle school recess, and if that’s the case, they shouldn’t be senators. but do enlighten us, since you know so much in re the senators!

    • NYSmike

      Let’s vote on people named Ryan to leave the state! We’ll call it Prop 0!

    • Six Starborn

      Americans dont know enough about politics to have a right to vote. And if people got to vote on every last thing, blacks would still be enslaved and women wouldnt have a right to vote

  • FRev. Charles L. Nowell, Sr.

    I do not want anyone to say anything about doomed and illness and that God is cruel and should not happen to people. If you live by the sword or whatever you sow that shall ye reap. Man and man or woman to woman watch out on what will come. That’s the word from God.

    • Curt Bearing

      That argument doesn’t really hold the same weight it used to. Gays are not aborting children, and there are more children of divorce since the inception of time than we can count. When someone is divorced, they are essentially breaking that covenant with God. So should you be condemning those people. And how about the people who have children and then put them up for adoption so other people can support them. I don’t see many church-goers adopting these children. We do not live ion a perfect world, and God knew that. At some point, you need to reconcile your ideas and find a way to steer them toward doing some good to everyone in the world. Also, God said that man should not judge another man, so I and most of the people in here don’t need your commentary and selfish interpretation. Learn humility and stop using God as your sounding board. Quite frankly, you’re emabarrassing him.

      • CJAFHH

        Curt, exceptionally stated, it seems certain folks only apply the word of the Lord, when it benefits their opinions only.

    • A.

      And what if you’re an atheist and don’t believe in God, heaven or hell? Just because you believe they all exist doesn’t mean they actually do. You have faith, NOT facts or proof.

      • Adeyinka O McAdewunmi

        Afoolish person will say in his or her mind,there is no GOD.

    • Alan S

      I have no problem with your religious beliefs, as you are entitled to believe whatever you want. I just don’t want your religious beliefs (or anyone else’s, even mine) to be considered when we make laws. I believe in strict separation of church and state. Any arguments for or against gay marriage should be ignored if they are based on religion. Personally, I support gay marriage because it seems to be mainly an issue of fairless and legal rights, and there is no valid secular reason to prevent two same-sex people from marrying and having the same legal rights as a man-woman couple.

  • Frank

    Joey’s comment is right which is why all the gays / lesbians here are bashing him.

    • CJAFHH

      Frank you know what they say about those who ASSUME…nope, not gay, rather I’m a happily married woman (in an interracial marriage) who wholeheartedly believes in marriage equality. Nice that you’re defending poor Joey B., but he still has yet to explain how gay marriage will lead to criminal activity…any thoughts you can share, since you’ve taken on his defense? We’re all waiting for a cogent argument here!

  • tonyb

    Im for equal rights but I do think corps have been and are trying to turn men into women who only care about buying things and how they look so that they can be as dumb as possible as they complete a wealth transfer, gays dont have children they never accidentally stop being consumers bc they had a kid they can and do spend lots of money on LUXUARY, especially here in manhattan

    so I think the aristocracy has decieded well dressed feminine gay men are better than poor or middle class straight men

    otherwise I think marriage equality is a good thing bc the gays should have freedom but I also see the other side of the coin might not be great for society for dudes to be marrying dudes

  • jim

    I say put it to a vote. We have the right to weigh in on what we think our society should look like.

    • RchieT

      This country is a Republic not a Democracy. Popular vote has nothing to do with the laws of this country It took an amendment so states couldn’t ban inter-racial marriages.

      • jim

        The popular vote will have a number of the politicians(law makers) who passed this law working in different occupations shortly. So we shall see.

    • Six Starborn

      Americans dont know enough about politics to have a right to vote. And if people got to vote on every last thing, blacks would still be enslaved and women wouldnt have a right to vote

    • Nathan

      Nope, you don’t have a right to tell me who to marry. Its sad you think so, its sad you want that right. I would never want that power over you.

    • KPMc

      So… if a majority of secular non-religious people vote to ban your religion and all others because they feel thats how our society should look you are ok with that?


    Joey B, are you seriously comparing the bond between two consenting, loving adults who deserve to share in the marriage benefits as tax paying individuals, to the criminal acts of pedophilia and animal cruelty? Such fear mongering is indeed comparable to the individuals who fought against inter-racial marriage. If gay marriage leads to criminal activity, then wouldn’t all other forms of marriage lead to that as well? How can two consenting adults’ marriage lead to criminal activity, or set a precedence to criminal activity? Ask yourself that question. ANd MARRIAGE = THE BOND BETWEEN TWO CONSENTING ADULTS, WHETHER EITHER IS A MAN OR WOMAN. End the hate.

  • From God on HIgh

    Joey, that stupid argument has been used for years by idiots like you. You know that’s not going to happen and it never will. People are not marrying their pets in Canada, Belgium, or Spain where same-sex marriage has been legal for years.

    “Pedophilia-chilid marriages”? I mean, really? You’re just parroting what you hear on right-wing talk radio, FAKE News, and the pulpits of mega churches. What a looser, man!

  • Gino Bambino

    Fantasy narratives about the origins and sanctity of marriage are not based in the actuality of the many diverse definitions of heterosexual marriage. I am expecting a referendum on the 2012 ballot. By then, arguments about what will happen (to the children!) will be moot after gay marriage has been legal for a year and has had no impact whatsoever on others’ lives. I’m not sure any amount of out-of -state funding and religious fear tactics will be enough to pass voter legislation at that time.

    Interesting idea, quoting the Plelps “church” and his family of psycho hater “Christians” as a rational argument against gay marriage.

  • Aaron

    Are you really that ignorant. That was the same argument that was used against inter-racial marriage. Grow up…

  • nancy calamita


    • Curt Bearing

      Unfortunately, at this time, DIVORCE = 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN, and ABORTION = 1 MAN and 1 WOMAN.

      Seems like you have some housekeeping to do on your team before you start criticizing others

  • joey from B'hurst

    The same arguments that are used marry same sex coples, could they be not be used for an individual to marry a pet, an inanimate object, or maybe even both opposite and same sex menage-a-trois, bisexual marriages? Wouldn’t it be discriminatory otherwise. Could it get worse, and have pedophile-child marriages? Just a point to ponder…think about it!

    • Michael H.

      A pet or an inanimate object cannot sign the marriage license, so how could you marry either? There is something in the legal world called “consent” that is needed to enter a contract. Marriage is a contract. That’s all it is in the eyes of the law. Now, if you could figure out the implications of tax, child custody and divorce law in polygamist, polyamourist or other multiple partner marriages, I don’t see why it would be a problem. Why should consenting adults be denied a union that has zero affect on anybody else?


    I can’t believe such ignorance is interrupting such a beautiful day for love and equality! Congratulations to those of you finally gaining the right to marry, I can’t believe this was ever an issue and still is an issue in so many states in the land of the free.

    • roberto

      so true just legalize gay marriages to all the states i mean they deserve a shot at happiness like everyone else in this country

      • LLY

        Happiness indeed! I guess the next step is to legalize marriage between humans and animals so those who have sold their souls to the devil can have a shot at happiness. God must be weeping for His creatures. Spare O Lord!!!! Spare Thy people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Nathan


        God doesn’t like the overuse of exclamation points.
        And he is weeping, weeping for all those people who want to stop two people in love from getting married.

    • confused

      just exactly does sh** taste like cjaffh??must be good cause you guys sold your souls for it

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