Serious Health Concerns, Including Norovirus, Growing At Zuccotti Park

Expert: Too Many Factors At Play, Situation Will Get Worse Before It Gets Better

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — Will the spread of disease be the thing that closes down Zuccotti Park?

Health experts say it’s fast becoming a Petri dish of germs. The cold weather, the close quarters and the lack of sanitation are combining to create a possibly serious public health danger, reports CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.

It’s not only the noise from the drums or the free spirited topless dancers who perform for swarms of speechless gawkers that are creating a quality of life crisis at Zuccotti Park. Now there is concern about a potential public health menace — disease.

You have already seen some of the protestors coughing, something they call “Zuccotti lung,” but experts said that is just the beginning.

“We’re starting to see respiratory problems and the flu and the cold season is now at hand in November and in addition there a few outbreaks of a Colisi virus, the so-called norovirus, the stomach flu – that’s the vomiting and diarrhea virus,” said Dr. Philip Tierno Jr.

Tierno, the director of clinical microbiology and immunology at NYU, said the combination of the cold weather, the cramped living conditions, poor sanitation and food open to the air and germs create fertile ground for the spread of disease.

“I think there will be a point in time when the sanitation facilities and the spread of microbial diseases reaches a level where Mayor Bloomberg will have to act,” Dr. Tierno said.

On his radio show Friday the mayor offered a cryptic response about the Zuccotti Park situation.

“We are watching it. We’ll do what’s appropriate when appropriate,” Bloomberg said.

Later, he ducked Kramer’s question on whether there is a tipping point from “Occupy Wall Street.”

“I think they have totally reached the tipping point. They really, really have. It’s unhealthy. It’s unsanitary,” Battery Park resident Nina Marabetian said.

“It’s a detriment to everyone that works around here,” Jose Aragon added.

“I think they’re overstaying their stay now,” Skip Hartman said.

Although many people say the clock is ticking no one knows when the alarm will actually go off and Mayor Bloomberg will take action.

Meanwhile, John Zuccotti, the head of the company that owns the park, insisted it is up to the city to enforce the laws. But Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told Kramer it’s up to Zuccotti’s firm to pull the plug because they own the property.

What do you think about the conditions in Zuccotti Park? Sound off below in our comments section…

Comments

One Comment

  1. Tommybones says:

    Not me, obviously. More classy responses

  2. saltine says:

    I see OWS has been very very busy! lil Moby heads…Their TROLLS are all over here now! lolol

    The OWS’ers are a bunch of children threatening their pee and turning blue while holding their breath i they don’t get their way…Eventually their legs will get wet and sticky and they will pass out on the floor. Nobody cares. People are vaguely amused by this self-abuse and then their attention moves onto more IMPORTANT things that affect their lives directly. In the end, they are harming only themselves.

    They are the most self-indulgent, self-deluded people to come around in a very long time. This is the grand result of what our culture has wrought!

    Where is any evidence they have affected change ANY at all with the banks??? Show me articles and papers PROVING ppl closed their accounts as a DIRECT RESULT OF OWS AND NOT the fees pushing customers out.

  3. The Realist says:

    Of course, protesters who do get sick will blame their illness on Wall Street, the 1%, the big banks, City taxpayers, and everybody else except THEMSELVES.

    They decided to live in a park. They need to accept the consequences. Period.

    1. tommybones says:

      Since you are so hellbent on playing the lemming for Wall Street by posting idiotic criticisms of what you claim they WILL do, in the future, absent proof of any kind, perhaps you might want to educate yourself as to what they are objecting to. Here’s an easy to comprehend explanation:

      http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/owss-beef-wall-street-isnt-winning-its-cheating-20111025

      Educate yourself. Ignorance isn’t bliss, it’s dangerous.

      1. fed up with the hypocrisy says:

        If you want to even the playing field then why don’t we implement a flat tax. Then everyone would pay a fair share. By the way you can’t be serious about quoting Rolling Stone magazine as a source. Deals like the one you stated usually have some type of underlying benefit. Politicians don’t do anything without a whats in it for them. They would have wanted some type of social benefit such as job create just like the Solyndra fiasco. I am no way defending the banks but people who took those loans knew full well what they were signing and the financial commitment that was involved. Just because you make in the mid six figures does not mean anything. I doubt you stay in the park during the whole occupation. You did what the rest of the well to do supporter did which was visit, offer some type of moral support and then went home to your comfortable life. You did not stay and annoy the resident and working people around you. You were no different than Micheal Moore who probably has an another agenda such as a multi million dollar movie about his event which will help feed the homeless in his stomach. The Susan Sarandons of the world go to these things because they feel guilt on how successful are they want to even out the playing field to alleviate their guilt. Alex Baldwin who know why he was there. If you believe these people are such fine substance then rally them together and tap into their brain trust and come up with a great idea or business such as Steve Jobs did. Other that please don’t represent me or my values. Work hard, take responsibility for your actions and take care of your family. BTW I also make in the mid 6 figures so I am not one of the 1%.

        1. tommybones says:

          Combing through your litany of ignorance, I think I found the most ridiculous assertion:

          “Deals like the one you stated usually have some type of underlying benefit. Politicians don’t do anything without a whats in it for them. They would have wanted some type of social benefit such as job create just like the Solyndra fiasco.”

          You really believe those corrupt deals were cut by politicians for the BENEFIT to society??????? Holy crap! Cluelessness at this level defies belief! I’ll let convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff explain it to you:

          “When we would become friendly with an office and they were important to us, and the chief of staff was a competent person, I would say or my staff would say to him or her at some point, “You know, when you’re done working on the Hill, we’d very much like you to consider coming to work for us.” Now the moment I said that to them or any of our staff said that to ‘em, that was it. We owned them. And what does that mean? Every request from our office, every request of our clients, everything that we want, they’re gonna do. And not only that, they’re gonna think of things we can’t think of to do.”

      2. liz says:

        Why would any of us care what happens to these JACKASSES! Norovirus – let’s talk abot BLISS! And You Mr. tommybones are the head JACKASS! AND MICHAEL MOORE – now we are talking BIG, HUGE, JACKASS! Can’t wait for the winter to set in. Now we are talking MAJOR BLISS!

    2. tommybones says:

      People aren’t jealous and they don’t want privileges. They just want a level playing field, and they want Wall Street to give up its cheat codes, things like:

      FREE MONEY. Ordinary people have to borrow their money at market rates. Lloyd Blankfein and Jamie Dimon get billions of dollars for free, from the Federal Reserve. They borrow at zero and lend the same money back to the government at two or three percent, a valuable public service otherwise known as “standing in the middle and taking a gigantic cut when the government decides to lend money to itself.”

      Or the banks borrow billions at zero and lend mortgages to us at four percent, or credit cards at twenty or twenty-five percent. This is essentially an official government license to be rich, handed out at the expense of prudent ordinary citizens, who now no longer receive much interest on their CDs or other saved income. It is virtually impossible to not make money in banking when you have unlimited access to free money, especially when the government keeps buying its own cash back from you at market rates.

      Your average chimpanzee couldn’t screw up that business plan, which makes it all the more incredible that most of the too-big-to-fail banks are nonetheless still functionally insolvent, and dependent upon bailouts and phony accounting to stay above water. Where do the protesters go to sign up for their interest-free billion-dollar loans?

    3. tommybones says:

      Or this:

      CREDIT AMNESTY. If you or I miss a $7 payment on a Gap card or, heaven forbid, a mortgage payment, you can forget about the great computer in the sky ever overlooking your mistake. But serial financial screwups like Citigroup and Bank of America overextended themselves by the hundreds of billions and pumped trillions of dollars of deadly leverage into the system — and got rewarded with things like the Temporary Liquidity Guarantee Program, an FDIC plan that allowed irresponsible banks to borrow against the government’s credit rating.

      This is equivalent to a trust fund teenager who trashes six consecutive off-campus apartments and gets rewarded by having Daddy co-sign his next lease. The banks needed programs like TLGP because without them, the market rightly would have started charging more to lend to these idiots. Apparently, though, we can’t trust the free market when it comes to Bank of America, Goldman, Sachs, Citigroup, etc.

      In a larger sense, the TBTF banks all have the implicit guarantee of the federal government, so investors know it’s relatively safe to lend to them — which means it’s now cheaper for them to borrow money than it is for, say, a responsible regional bank that didn’t jack its debt-to-equity levels above 35-1 before the crash and didn’t dabble in toxic mortgages. In other words, the TBTF banks got better credit for being less responsible. Click on freecreditscore.com to see if you got the same deal.

    4. tommybones says:

      Or perhaps this:

      STUPIDITY INSURANCE. Defenders of the banks like to talk a lot about how we shouldn’t feel sorry for people who’ve been foreclosed upon, because it’s their own fault for borrowing more than they can pay back, buying more house than they can afford, etc. And critics of OWS have assailed protesters for complaining about things like foreclosure by claiming these folks want “something for nothing.”

      This is ironic because, “something for nothing is Wall Street’s official policy.” In fact, getting bailed out for bad investment decisions has been de rigeur on Wall Street not just since 2008, but for decades.

      Time after time, when big banks screw up and make irresponsible bets that blow up in their faces, they’ve scored bailouts. It doesn’t matter whether it was the Mexican currency bailout of 1994 (when the state bailed out speculators who gambled on the peso) or the IMF/World Bank bailout of Russia in 1998 (a bailout of speculators in the “emerging markets”) or the Long-Term Capital Management Bailout of the same year (in which the rescue of investors in a harebrained hedge-fund trading scheme was deemed a matter of international urgency by the Federal Reserve), Wall Street has long grown accustomed to getting bailed out for its mistakes.

      The 2008 crash, of course, birthed a whole generation of new bailout schemes. Banks placed billions in bets with AIG and should have lost their shirts when the firm went under — AIG went under, after all, in large part because of all the huge mortgage bets the banks laid with the firm — but instead got the state to pony up $180 billion or so to rescue the banks from their own bad decisions.

      This sort of thing seems to happen every time the banks do something dumb with their money. Just recently, the French and Belgian authorities cooked up a massive bailout of the French bank Dexia, whose biggest trading partners included, surprise, surprise, Goldman, Sachs and Morgan Stanley. Here’s how the New York Times explained the bailout:

      To limit damage from Dexia’s collapse, the bailout fashioned by the French and Belgian governments may make these banks and other creditors whole — that is, paid in full for potentially tens of billions of euros they are owed. This would enable Dexia’s creditors and trading partners to avoid losses they might otherwise suffer…

      When was the last time the government stepped into help you “avoid losses you might otherwise suffer?” But that’s the reality we live in. When Joe Homeowner bought too much house, essentially betting that home prices would go up, and losing his bet when they dropped, he was an irresponsible putz who shouldn’t whine about being put on the street.

      But when banks bet billions on a firm like AIG that was heavily invested in mortgages, they were making the same bet that Joe Homeowner made, leaving themselves hugely exposed to a sudden drop in home prices. But instead of being asked to “suck it in and cope” when that bet failed, the banks instead went straight to Washington for a bailout — and got it.

    5. tommybones says:

      How about this?

      UNGRADUATED TAXES. I’ve already gone off on this more than once, but it bears repeating. Bankers on Wall Street pay lower tax rates than most car mechanics. When Warren Buffet released his tax information, we learned that with taxable income of $39 million, he paid $6.9 million in taxes last year, a tax rate of about 17.4%.

      Most of Buffet’s income, it seems, was taxed as either “carried interest” (i.e. hedge-fund income) or long-term capital gains, both of which carry 15% tax rates, half of what many of the Zucotti park protesters will pay.

      As for the banks, as companies, we’ve all heard the stories. Goldman, Sachs in 2008 – this was the same year the bank reported $2.9 billion in profits, and paid out over $10 billion in compensation — paid just $14 million in taxes, a 1% tax rate.

      Bank of America last year paid not a single dollar in taxes — in fact, it received a “tax credit” of $1 billion. There are a slew of troubled companies that will not be paying taxes for years, including Citigroup and CIT.

      When GM bought the finance company AmeriCredit, it was able to marry its long-term losses to AmeriCredit’s revenue stream, creating a tax windfall worth as much as $5 billion. So even though AmeriCredit is expected to post earnings of $8-$12 billion in the next decade or so, it likely won’t pay any taxes during that time, because its revenue will be offset by GM’s losses.

      Thank God our government decided to pledge $50 billion of your tax dollars to a rescue of General Motors! You just paid for one of the world’s biggest tax breaks.

    6. tommybones says:

      And last but not least, there is:

      GET OUT OF JAIL FREE. One thing we can still be proud of is that America hasn’t yet managed to achieve the highest incarceration rate in history — that honor still goes to the Soviets in the Stalin/Gulag era. But we do still have about 2.3 million people in jail in America.

      Virtually all 2.3 million of those prisoners come from “the 99%.” Here is the number of bankers who have gone to jail for crimes related to the financial crisis: 0.

      Millions of people have been foreclosed upon in the last three years. In most all of those foreclosures, a regional law enforcement office — typically a sheriff’s office — was awarded fees by the court as part of the foreclosure settlement, settlements which of course were often rubber-stamped by a judge despite mountains of perjurious robosigned evidence.

      That means that every single time a bank kicked someone out of his home, a local police department got a cut. Local sheriff’s offices also get cuts of almost all credit card judgments, and other bank settlements. If you’re wondering how it is that so many regional police departments have the money for fancy new vehicles and SWAT teams and other accoutrements, this is one of your answers.

      What this amounts to is the banks having, as allies, a massive armed police force who are always on call, ready to help them evict homeowners and safeguard the repossession of property. But just see what happens when you try to call the police to prevent an improper foreclosure. Then, suddenly, the police will not get involved. It will be a “civil matter” and they won’t intervene.

      The point being: if you miss a few home payments, you have a very high likelihood of colliding with a police officer in the near future. But if you defraud a pair of European banks out of a billion dollars — that’s a billion, with a b — you will never be arrested, never see a policeman, never see the inside of a jail cell.

      Your settlement will be worked out not with armed police, but with regulators in suits who used to work for your company or one like it. And you’ll have, defending you, a former head of that regulator’s agency. In the end, a fine will be paid to the government, but it won’t come out of your pocket personally; it will be paid by your company’s shareholders. And there will be no admission of criminal wrongdoing.

      The Abacus case, in which Goldman helped a hedge fund guy named John Paulson beat a pair of European banks for a billion dollars, tells you everything you need to know about the difference between our two criminal justice systems. The settlement was $550 million — just over half of the damage.

      Can anyone imagine a common thief being caught by police and sentenced to pay back half of what he took? Just one low-ranking individual in that case was charged (case pending), and no individual had to reach into his pocket to help cover the fine. The settlement Goldman paid to to the government was about 1/24th of what Goldman received from the government just in the AIG bailout. And that was the toughest “punishment” the government dished out to a bank in the wake of 2008.

      The point being: we have a massive police force in America that outside of lower Manhattan prosecutes crime and imprisons citizens with record-setting, factory-level efficiency, eclipsing the incarceration rates of most of history’s more notorious police states and communist countries.

      But the bankers on Wall Street don’t live in that heavily-policed country. There are maybe 1000 SEC agents policing that sector of the economy, plus a handful of FBI agents. There are nearly that many police officers stationed around the polite crowd at Zucotti park.

      These inequities are what drive the OWS protests. People don’t want handouts. It’s not a class uprising and they don’t want civil war — they want just the opposite. They want everyone to live in the same country, and live by the same rules. It’s amazing that some people think that that’s asking a lot.

    7. tommybones says:

      But yeah, keep trying to tear down those dirty hippies in the park….

      1. Andrew Nutra says:

        Woiw, no amount of cut and pasting will change our minds that these people are playing 60s radicals they saw on TV because the liberal arts degree they mastered in is not doing them any good in a down economy. Well guess what? Drumming and kicking out the homeless and ex-cons will not help you either. This is a land of opportunity not guarantees. Maybe you shouldn’t have borrowed $200K to master in Medieval Eastern Ugandan poetry.

        1. tommybones says:

          Um, let’s see… I was at the protest yesterday with an English professor with two masters degrees and a good job, and a doctor with a successful private practice. I have a mid 6 figure income. Yeah, you really have those protesters pegged….

          Meanwhile, you bother to read the cut and paste? It states what OWS is all about pretty clearly. Unless you are a corrupt banker, you should be part of the movement. Of course, if you think the above described system is fine and dandy, well, then carry on…

          1. Andrew Nutra says:

            Zzzz, the last time I googled “drumming” it never mentioned anything about it having accomplished anything except, when played with a bass can serve as a rhythm section in a band.

            1. tommybones says:

              Seriously, what’s with the drumming obsession? You think the millions of people worldwide are all drumming for change? Are you that clueless?

          2. Rhiannon says:

            O.k., let me get this right. One protester has two degrees and is a professor. Why is he not in class teaching? Another is a successful doctor. Most likely his income is over 100K; if his is over 250K, he is in the 1% and should not be there. You, by your own admission have a “mid six figure” income. You hypocrite – you’re in the 1% too! Enough already these people have destroyed downtown, local businesses (among the 99%).. Now a health hazard. Time to close it up. No one listened; no one really cares. Get a jobby-job and get a life people.

            1. tommybones says:

              SHE came to the protest AFTER TEACHING CLASSES THAT DAY. The doctor, another woman (notice your assumptions), has a private practice, makes over 100k, so? To be in the 1%, one must make over 500k, not 250, chief. And that is beside the point. One can be in the 1% and still support what the OWS movement stands for. You see, the movement isn’t against rich people in general, nor successful people; they are against those who cheat to become rich and successful. They are against a corrupt system. One can be rich and still have a moral compass.

              You then finish with this bit of contradictory idiocy….:

              “No one listened; no one really cares. Get a jobby-job and get a life people.”

              In the previous sentence, you discussed the JOBS of the protesters I mentioned, then follow with the “get a job” nonsense. Bizarre. And once again, if you think “nobody listened,” you’re clueless. Not only did a movement which began as a small group in a single NYC park flower into an international movement, involving millions of people in 96 countries, but as we’ve seen by recent reports, they’ve literally changed the nature of mainstream debate throughout the country. References in mainstream media to the words “income inequality” went from 90 in the week prior to the Brooklyn Bridge arrests to over 500 this past week alone. That’s evidence of “people listening.” Wake up.

              1. Andrew Nutra says:

                “SHE came to the protest AFTER TEACHING CLASSES THAT DAY. ” Creepy! He keeps track of her by GPS. He probably knows her daily routine and the car she drives as well.

                1. Tommybones says:

                  Or… She told me she came from class.

    8. Andrew Nutra says:

      Their magical drums made out of unicorn testicles will give out healing powers when played.

  4. Meme Meyagi says:

    what is done about 7 million mooslime terrorists living in usa?

  5. jp says:

    They need to learn that Wall $treet could care less what these people think, want or need.

    1. Andrew Nutra says:

      You mean “OWS drumming vs. giving back money to investors” will not be a topic at the next Wall Street CEO quarterly strategy meeting?

      1. tommybones says:

        Your obsession with the drummers is bordering on creepy now… did some drummer dump you in high school or something? Really creepy, actually…

        1. Andrew Nutra says:

          “Come they told me parum pa pum pum… ” OWS: drumming the world’s problems away!

          1. tommybones says:

            Okay, I can see it’s pointless to try to educate you. Continue to be the good lemming, doing the bidding of Wall Street, even as they continue to rob you blind. Effing pathetic, actually….

        2. Andrew Nutra says:

          I’M the one who’s obsessed with drumming? The OWS drum 24/7 and what have they accomplished? When I got laid off a few years back I didn’t play drums, I sent out my resume.

          1. tommybones says:

            I really hope you don’t have any children.

            1. Andrew Nutra says:

              I do have children. I will tell them “Kids, this is a land of opportunity and not guarantees. You need to work hard to get ahead. Drumming is only good for playing in a band. Keep in mind when you go to college during tough times it’s better to have a science degree than liberal arts. That’s a warning because if you can’t find a job later on I don’t want you whining out in the streets annoying people.”

              1. tommybones says:

                You’re lying to your children.

              2. tommybones says:

                The U.S. has the worst income inequality on the developed world along with one of the worst rates of upward mobility. These are facts. How, then, can you claim you live in the land of opportunity???? You have a better chance of working hard and becoming successful in Denmark than here.

                1. Andrew Nutra says:

                  I don’t see migrants from all over the world paying thousands of dollars to smugglers and leaving their families and risking their lives for opportunities in DENMARK!!

                2. Tommybones says:

                  Um, Denmark has plenty of immigrants

          2. tommybones says:

            Enjoy this too:

            http://tinyurl.com/6qg9w6y

            Oh, and when this movement leads to a better future for your children, you can remember where you stood while it all went down.

          3. tommybones says:

            So, you got laid off a few years back? Must have deserved it. Clearly you weren’t working hard enough. Right?

            1. Andrew Nutra says:

              I got another job by looking and working hard, not by raping and drumming and listening to Joan Baez.

              1. Tommybones says:

                But why did you get laid off? Lazy?

                1. Andrew Nutra says:

                  If I were lazy I would have gotten fired, not laid off.

  6. LM says:

    I’m a conservative. I hope these people stay in the park for a LONG time. They only help the conservatives.

    1. GET A REAL LIFE says:

      YOU ARE FULL OF POOP, YOU ARE NOT A CONSERVATIVE….. YOU ARE A BALL FACE LIAR. HOW ARE THEY HELPING US?????? LIAR, LIAR YOUR PANTS ARE ON FIRE……..

    2. Andrew Nutra says:

      Financial tip: Invest in corporations that make drums, warm clothing, drum, tents, Port-a-johns,drums, penicillin, drums and food. You’re going to make a killing!

    3. Andrew Nutra says:

      You got that? You must be fat to have a “ball face”

  7. tommybones says:

    Moderator censoring support of OWS must have gone home for the day. So, I’ll post my previously censored comment again.

    Let’s begin with the main complaint of the OWS movement, which is wealth disparity. Some important facts to consider:

    The U.S. ranks 93rd among the nations of the world in income equality. Behind such luminaries as Iran, India, Egypt and all of Europe. In the U.S. the top 5% of Americans own nearly 70% of the nation’s wealth. That equates to 60% of the net worth. The bottom 80% of the nation? They control only 7% of the net worth. That is disparity ususally saved for third world dictatorships, not alleged democracies. Is this a healthy economic situation? How does this happen? Is it simply due to those in the top 20% working that much harder than everyone else? No. The U.S. workforce works longer hours, for less pay, less benefits, for more years, with less vacation time and longer commutes than any other western nation on earth. Americans aren’t lazy. They work harder than the notoriously hard-working Japanese. So why can’t 80% of the country stay above water? Well, it’s because our government has been bought by the wealthiest, most powerful interests in the country, and those interests predominantly reside on Wall Street.

    Let’s look at a good example we should all be very familiar with. The large banks committed massive fraud on an unprecedented scale, which led to a worldwide economic collapse. How did our government respond to this epic crime spree? By pushing through a massive taxpayer-funded financial bailout, which effectively handed the keys to the treasury to those same criminal banks at zero % interest. Were there criminal investigations? Were the CEO’s put on trial for their blatant crimes? No. Instead, they were paid off and have now seen corporate profits once again breaking records.

    Number of Wall Street officers arrested for committing massive intentional fraud which sank world economy? Zero. Number of peaceful protesters arrested? Thousands. Get it?

    OWS has turned into a worldwide movement in support of democratic principles. Maybe you clowns should get off the couch and educate yourselves, then maybe you’ll realize what’s at stake and perhaps your opinion of these people will change. I am employed, make a lot of money, have health insurance, a college education and consider myself extremely fortunate. And I am at the protest site every day. These people are camping out in the cold, with no electricity or heat, for an important cause. The hideous attitude of most of the posts in here is a disgrace.

    1. Andrew Nutra says:

      Thanks for clearing things up. Now I really hope all their drumming would magically change the world.

      1. tommybones says:

        You realize that what began as a small group of protesters at a single park in Manhattan has exploded into a worldwide movement which has seen occupy events in 96 countries, right? So yes, they are changing the world. It doesn’t happen overnight, chief.

        1. Andrew Nutra says:

          Changing the world? HA! They couldn’t change a diaper! Drumming and raping will not bring wall street bankers to their knees.

          1. tommybones says:

            It’s as if you are hoping the nations descent into 3rd world status continues. Bizarre.

            No doubt throughout history there were people like you ranting against the suffragettes and MLK Jr. and thought Rosa Parks should have just shuffled off to the back of the bus like a good citizen.

            You realize that the Civil Rights Act came about through years of similar protests, right? First LBJ ignored them, then he tried to get them to go away, then he tried to deal with them, then he stood in front of Congress and announced the Civil Rights Act.

            All the while, angry losers like you were screaming the same garbage at their nightly news about those uppity blacks.

            Here’s a new news flash… this movement isn’t going away. It’s growing. Get used to it.

            1. Andrew Nutra says:

              Show me pictures of Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks playing drums and annoying people then we could talk.

              1. tommybones says:

                lol. Yeah, Those two NEVER annoyed anyone! lol. Dumbest post of the thread… and that’s saying a lot.

                1. Andrew Nutra says:

                  OH wait, there’s a picture of Martin Luther King playing a TAMA set with Zildjian cymbals. Now I know how he get civil rights legislation passed!

    2. Andrew Nutra says:

      I can’t see Wall Street executives going to their next quarterly strategy meeting and saying “The OWS are drumming way too hard. We must change our ways and give all our money to the college grads who are entitled to get jobs no matter how bad the economy is. Thank you OWS for your drumming and raping and mugging, you opened our eyes. Please take our money now…. and please pass the grey poupon!”

      1. tommybones says:

        More idiotic sarcasm. You think this is about drummers? Really? Nearly one million people switched their banks because of this movement in the past month. A recent study revealed references to “income inequality” in the media has spiked from 90 in a typical week to over 500 per week since the movement went global. That’s called progress. Are you actually rooting against holding criminals accountable? Are you in favor of inequality in this country at levels normally reserved for 20th century dictatorships?

        1. jant1215 says:

          Are you serious? Those people that switched banks were a direct result of the banks planning to charge for debit charges. You’re grasping at straws, trying to convince us that this joke of a protest has actually accomplished anything.

          1. tommybones says:

            You literally have no clue what you are talking about. The majority of people who switched banks weren’t even BoA customers. Clueless….

            A movement which began as a small group of people in a single park, which then turned into a global movement in over 96 countries and literally brought the topic of income inequality back into mainstream media discourse has certainly “accomplished” something. You think the world changes overnight? This movement is well ahead of the curve, historically, as far as protest movements go. Maybe you need a refresher course. And maybe the movement would be in an even better place if they didn’t have to deal with lazy, ignorant cynics.

        2. Andrew Nutra says:

          I’m sorry make that “Yes, the OWS is right, let’s give back our money… NOW CAN YOU PLEASE PASS THE JELLY!?”

      2. tommybones says:

        You know who Wall Street Executives are really laughing at? Lemmings like you who actually defend them even as they pick your pocket.

        1. Andrew Nutra says:

          “Can you please pass the grey poupon and the jelly? Oh yeah, someone close the window, the drumming’s getting too loud”

          1. tommybones says:

            Seriously, are you five years old?

            1. Andrew Nutra says:

              Unfortunately when all is said and done, the only legacy OWS will leave behind is drumming, raping, and occupying private party. And Crosby and Nash playing.

              1. tommybones says:

                In a nutshell, OWS stands for the following:

                People don’t want handouts. It’s not a class uprising and they don’t want civil war — they want just the opposite. They want everyone to live in the same country, and live by the same rules.

                Can you explain what is it about this concept that has you so vehemently opposed to them and rooting for failure?

                1. Andrew Nutra says:

                  Handouts, drumming, ancients 1960s musicians, that’s what the legacy of OWS will be. Oh yeah, and when they scatter come winter.

    3. jant1215 says:

      OK, we are all so impressed with your long winded comment. It still doesn’t address the fact that what started out as a well meaning protest, has turned into a huge debacle and has accomplished absolutely NOTHING!!! At this point, this so called protest is doing more harm than good towards achieving their goals.

      1. tommybones says:

        Please support that assertion with a fact or two. Thanks.

        I see a movement which has gone global, has put the topic of inequality back into the public spotlight, has inspired people to act, including moving their money to local community banks and credit unions… if you know anything about the history of public protest for social change, you’d know it’s a long, slow process and this movement is actually well ahead of the curve. Perhaps you should lend support instead of trying to tear it down. That could help.

        1. Andrew Nutra says:

          I hate to disappoint you but it’s not going to happen, I mean, whatever it is you guys want to happen. Whenever you’re asked what your focus is or your game plan the media always gets a list of non-answers that’s as varied and colored as your clothes.

          1. tommybones says:

            And yet the movement continues to grow worldwide.

            First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
            ~Gandhi

            1. Andrew Nutra says:

              You’re comparing Gandhi to smelly drummers who kick out the homeless and ex-cons from their donated gourmet food so they can change the world? To people who didn’t get any attention growing up because their parents were too busy working and now they want to make up for it?

              1. tommybones says:

                You are now at Gandhi’s second part… you’re laughing at them…. next, comes the fight I guess…

                1. Andrew Nutra says:

                  The only thing they’ll fight is a cold when 0 degree weather comes in and it can’t come soon enough (and they better not used corporate made medicine and warm clothing!)

      2. Andrew Nutra says:

        They’ve sharpened their hand to eye coordination with their drumming. Now everyone’s a Buddy Rich.

    4. GET A REAL LIFE says:

      YOU NEED TO COME TO REALITY PAL. GET A REAL LIFE. DO YOU REAL THINK THAT ANYONE IS GOING TO PAY ATTENTION TO THESE PEOPLE IN A FEW WEEKS. THIS SHALL ALSO PASS. JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER LOSERS IS THIS WORLD WHO WANT SOMETHING FOR FREE. GET A REAL JOB AND A REAL LIFE AND GROW UP. STOP SUCKING YOU THUMB AND ACT LIKE A ADULT. THIS ALSO APPLIES TO YOU……..

    5. GET A REAL LIFE says:

      GET REAL PAL, YOU SHOULD EDUCATE YOURSELF WITH LIFE AND GROW UP. GO GET A REAL JOB AND PAY YOUR OWN WAY JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO. STOP LOOKING FOR HAND OUTS FROM THE GOVERNMENT. THIS IS NOT A IMPORTANT CAUSE. THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL SQUATTERS. YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THIS AMERICAN COUNTRY, THIS IS NOT A REAL DREAM BUT OUR WORST NIGHTMARE, HAVING PEOPLE LIKE YOU HERE.

  8. tommybones says:

    Does Rupert Murdoch run this site? My previous two attempts at posting, in support of OWS, have not been published, but numerous calls to murder protesters are right there on the thread. WTF?

    One of the main problems with this country… media control by right wing whackjobs. Well done.

    1. Andrew Nutra says:

      Your drummer buddies at Zuccotti Park need you more than we need your posts.

    2. Andrew Nutra says:

      Maybe because this site has a sense-o-meter and you’re not just cutting it?

  9. Liberals are Evil says:

    I hope Susan Sarandon gets a bad case of whatever it is that these idiot protesters are spreading…that deranged liberal ugly bitch!

  10. Indian burn says:

    Why don’t the Jew Zionists just hand out cholera infested blankets instead of sneaking in a virus?

  11. 1% says:

    MAYBE OUR FRIENDS IN IRAQ,IRAN OR AFGHAN CAN SEND US OVER A SUICIDE BOMBER.THAT SHOULD TAKE CARE OF IT.

    1. Andrew Nutra says:

      Uh, they’re not going to find 72 virgins at OWS.

    2. tommybones says:

      Yeah, calling for mass murder is hysterical. And appropriate. You should be proud.

      1. Andrew Nutra says:

        And drumming for change and kicking out the homeless and keeping them out of your gourmet food aren’t funny?

      2. GET A REAL LIFE says:

        GET A REAL LIFE PAL AND MORE ON. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THIS COUNTRY, GO LIVE IN ANOTHER ONE…….. SEE HOW FAR YOU GET WITH YOUR FAR FETCHED WAY OF THINKING…….

  12. still sensible says:

    Bloomberg owns it as he has allowed this disease pit to fester.

  13. liz says:

    Norovirus —-there really is a GOD!!! thank you!!!!!!

    1. Andrew Nutra says:

      Oh wait til you see the temperatures drop in February!

  14. Ray says:

    The situation is bad and getting worse. I was never fond of the movement since they are beating down capitalism; reminds me of China 1949 when comunist took over and claimed no one will be poor, but it wind up everybody became poor. Socialism marxism is a sham. I get the impression these guys want the easy way out whining and complaining. If these guys think they got it rough, they need to drive in midtown Manhattan along with the competition including cab drivers.

  15. DOCTOR says:

    What do these idiots want next…free medical care?….

  16. Andrew Nutra says:

    They should make a porno parody: “Zuccotti Park: OccupPIE hole”

  17. er veteran says:

    whoever the nyc health commissioner is, here’s your chance to be a hero – declare the park as being a public health menace. for pete’s sake, don’t quarrantine them! they must all subject to tb testing. well, maybe they need to be held in place for 2 days until the tb test is read, then they must vacate, soheavy duty cleaning, can be done. the owner must then become responsible for it being private property. this action has run it’s course here. wanting to maintain occupancy puts the public health at risk for many diseases, tb included. as a health care worker, my comments are not “crying wolf”

  18. Schmellma Arss says:

    Must be the cigarettes. After all, cigarettes are the root of all republicans, errr ….. I mean evil.

  19. IgnoranteElephante says:

    We Jews are God’s chosen people and shall do as we please. If we want to take over a park and fund a Zionist revolution, then we will, and noone will say anythin about it.

    Homosexual Jews like myself are destined to control the world.

    1. Schmellma Arss says:

      Would you like to smell my ass?

    2. Andrew Nutra says:

      Two snaps in Z formation and a kiss!

  20. Capt America says:

    In one word… NAPALM

  21. IgnoranteElephante says:

    We should set up a Zuccotti Lung fund, pay attorneys to administer it, and dole out millions for these poor people

    1. Liberals Are Evil says:

      You are one twisted asshole!

  22. lammar says:

    I walked by the Z park and in 24 hours got a sore throat, case of the runs,and
    dizzy spells. Is there some bug going around?

    1. Andrew Nutra says:

      I just got a case of the bad vibes from drumming

  23. Vik says:

    “Here comes the chicken, here comes the chicken, the chicken down the road.” And his name is Bloomberg.

  24. Love NYC says:

    “Give a man secure possession of a bleak rock, and he will turn it into a garden; give him nine years’ lease of a garden, and he will turn it into a desert.”

    ~ Arthur Young, Travels in France 1792

    1. Andrew Nutra says:

      My favorite quote: he who laughs last didn’t get the joke

  25. Darth Sidious says:

    Wipe them out….all of them…

  26. Huh says:

    Oh no…I hope Susan Sarandon is ok…can someone please check up on her?

  27. Andrew Nutra says:

    I think I got “Zuccotti @ss.” Some guy snuck into my tent and occupied me.

    1. Jimbo Jones says:

      Joe Paterno denies the accusation. He’s 85-years-old and says he hasn’t been able to get it up in 20 years, Viagra or not.

  28. SoSO says:

    It sounds like an alien moving. How do we get rid of them, just upload a virus. Yay:)

    1. Andrew Nutra says:

      We need a human Stuxnet

  29. DOUBLE_CHINNED_PUPPETEER says:

    Best news I heard all week.

  30. NYCWOLF says:

    Protesting is one thing. Occupying is another. Go home already. If you really want to institute change to get people to abide by what YOU believe then run for office, get elected and make the changes. Stop disturbing the peace.

    1. Ray says:

      I could not have said it any better.

    2. Andrew Nutra says:

      But then we OWS won’t get the attention we didn’t get growing up because our parents were busy working! Also I’m not leaving until I get either a book deal or an HBO TV miniseries out of it. Or a porn parody.

    3. tommybones says:

      Occupying IS a form of protest, chief.

    4. GOD HELP US ALL IF EVERTHING DOES NOT CHANGE says:

      THE MAYOR OF THIS CITY NEVER SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN RELECTED, HE HAS NO BALLS AND DOES NOT CARE FOR ANYONE IN THIS CITY, BUT HIS OWN POCKET AND COMPANY. HE JUST LIKES TO HEAR HIMSELF TALK. WE NEEDED SOMEONE LIKE THE PREVIOUS MAYOR, RUDY G. TO CLEAN UP THIS CITY, LIKE HE DID ONCE BEFORE, WITH ALL THE SQUEEGY PEOPLE AND HOMELESS LAYING ALL OVER THE SIDEWALKS. WE DO NOT NEED MORE BIKE LANES. WHAT WE NEED IS FOR THIS MAYOR TO LEAVE, SO THE NEXT MAYOR CAN UNDO WHAT HE DID. BECAUSE ALL THESE BIKES ARE NOT PAYING ANY INSURANCE LIKE THE VEHICLES IN THIS CITY ARE DOING. THEY ARE JUST MOWING DOWN EVERYONE WHO TRYS TO WALK ACROSS THE STREET. THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE PROTESTING ARE HOMELESS BECAUSE IF THEY WERE NOT, THEY WOULD BE IN THEIR OWN BEDS. USING THEIR OWN TOLIETS AND OTHER FACILITIES, NOT BEGGING FOR FOOD FROM THE RESTRAUANTS AROUND THE AREA. THEY ARE PUTTING EVERYONE OUT OF BUSINESS AND JUST DIRTING THE AREA. WHAT IS THIS SUPPOSE TO SYMBOLIZE??????? YOU TELL ME?????? THEY ARE ALL A BUNCH OF LOSERS…… GET A REAL LIFE……….

  31. need a mayor says:

    Can we bring back Giuliani for a week?

    1. uptowngirl says:

      That’s what I’m talking about! We need someone with b***s!

      1. tommybones says:

        Giuliani has balls? Really?

        Among the pantheon of these armchair heros can be found Rudy Giuliani, “America’s Mayor,” who avoided the draft in Vietnam by pulling favors from a high level New York judge, who laughably wrote a letter to the draft board on his behalf stating that the low level clerk was an “essential employee,” who was too important to fight for his country.

        Yeah, he’s a real tough guy…

  32. Andrew Nutra says:

    OWS: playing 60s radicals they saw on TV because the liberal arts degree they mastered in is not doing them any good in a down economy. Well guess what? Drumming and kicking out the homeless and ex-cons will not help you either. This is a land of opportunity not guarantees. Maybe you shouldn’t have borrowed $200K to master in Medieval Eastern Ugandan poetry.

    1. tfm says:

      I like you!!! Well said!!!

  33. Andrew Nutra says:

    YAY! FINALLY! Maybe now the drumming and raping will cease.

    1. Jon Corzine says:

      Yeah, does anyone know where the “Rape Tent” is now in Zuccotti? They keep moving it and I can’t find it when I need to.

      1. Andrew Nutra says:

        I heard there’s an all male tent: Two snaps in Z formation and a kiss!

  34. bob says:

    They claim these take overs are part of their 1st ammendment rights, then should people now be allowed to smoke whereever they want too ??

    1. my200keasternugandanlobeit! says:

      Didn’t NYC BAN smoking in Parks? I guess since this is a private park…

      1. Michael H. says:

        I’m almost positive that the smoking ban only applies to NYC parks, beaches and pedestrian plazas. As a privately owned, publicly accessible park, Brookfield would determine whether or not smoking is allowed.

        In response to bob’s “1st amendment” comment, smoking is not speech. Second hand and exhaled smoke physically affects other people, and therefore can be restricted.

  35. Not part of the 99% says:

    This is a public health threat, the park needs to be cleared and cleaned.

  36. squanto says:

    i agree with the rest of the archie bunker type rabble rousers – the first amendment has no place in our current society. the president needs to enact martial law, suspend the constitution, and send these hippy do-gooders to GITMO. how dare anyone challenge wall street – anyone who challenges wall street hates america & probably loves al qaeda! bottom line: no more freedom of speech, then no more protestors, then finally we can get back to maintaining the status quo. believe me, if there were anything needing change, our government would step up to the plate and tell us then fix the problem.

    Cheney/Rumsfeld 2012 !!!!!!

    1. Andrew Nutra says:

      Godspeed OWS people! I’m on your side! Go fight the 1 percenters. Whatever you do PLEASE don’t sell out. Please remove your warm clothing and burn your tents. They’re all corporate made, made by 5 year old kids in China. You mustn’t taint yourself with them. Also you need to fast. Food is manufactured by corporations. Do not taint your body with them, it’s poison! Don’t be a part of the machine. Go forth OWS!

    2. IgnoranteElephante says:

      I am a fervent supporter of the First Amendment. However, that protects speech and speech associated conduct. Laws previously enacted that are content neutral, i.e., apply without regard to the message of the speaker still must be enforced. Thus, any violations of the health and fire code and the penal law should all still be enforced.

      I wonder, squanto, if you would still be so supportive of First Amendment rights if the occupiers rallied against the Jewish tyranny at all levels of society, President Obama, gay marriage and homosexuality in general, Israel, or the disproportionate amount of crime among the black community?

      Remember, I said content neutral.

      1. tommybones says:

        By your logic, women wouldn’t have the right to vote, nor people of color and we’d probably not have labor laws. Why? Because people protested. And these protests included violating ordinances. Patriots went to jail. That’s how it works. In your world, Rosa Parks should have just shuffled off to the back of the bus like a good citizen. Ridiculous. You need a refresher course in history.

        My favorite example? Those silly colonists who broke the law by dumping tea into Boston Harbor.

        1. Andrew Nutra says:

          “Silly colonists”? Well if you want to be selective when it comes to history, those colonists kicked out the Native Americans who were here for thousands of years and brought in Africans and used them as cattle.

  37. DianaF says:

    I’m sure the protesters deal with the health and sanitation issues daily at their general meetings. Why not go, observe, participate in these and find out? I also bet that they are dealing with many of the health and sanitation issues faced by the homeless and the poor. What is government for if cannot provide for the basic health and sanitation needs of the public, including the protesting, free-speech and free-assembly rights-exercising Occupiers?

    1. BO STINKS! says:

      This is one of the stupidest Pro-OWS comments yet.

    2. steve says:

      You have got to be kidding? Now you want the government to make sure these law breakers are healty? At this point, the park should be cleared by force. This is becoming a health issue for all who go near the place.

    3. IgnoranteElephante says:

      @ DianaF: “Why not go, observe, and participate” you ask. Well, first and foremost, because I don’t agree with any their many–and often contradictory–messages.

      The government does provide for the sanitation needs of all and the basic health needs of those who cannot afford healthcare (think Medicaid and the overwhelming number of New Yorkers receiving free benefits from it). However, the government has no obligation to overcome persistent obstruction in the form of the vile masses of unkempt people who will not allow the government to exercise its duty to provide sanitation.

    4. Andrew Nutra says:

      Why aren’t you out there? A little cold? I understand.

  38. MULLY says:

    THEY ARE ALL A BUNCH OF FESTERING IDIOTS

    1. liz says:

      MORONS EACH AND EVERYONE OF THEM! DISGRACE and DISGUST! ENOUGH ALREADY! THIS MAYOR IS AN ABOMINATION! LOSERS FROM SARANDON, TO MOORE (BIG BAG OF FOUL WIND)! THE WHOLE CIRCUS ATMOSPHERE IS MORE THAN DISGUSTING!

  39. uptowngirl says:

    I agree – this has to stop already. It’s disgusting.

  40. BO STINKS! says:

    Fence them in and let it fester, problem sovled.

  41. steve says:

    What do you think about the conditions in Zuccotti Park? City should enforce the laws and throw them the hell out of the park. If they cannot keep sanitary conditions, they need to leave. Do they expect the city to keep them clean? This is a disaster waiting to happen.

    1. liz says:

      It is not a disaster WAITING to happen, the DISASTER has ALREADY HAPPENED!

  42. Ben says:

    Bloomy should grow a pair and put an end to this side show. It is no longer what it started out to be, this is a disgrace.

    1. liz says:

      I agree with you Ben, Gloomy should grow a pair of b***s! This is a total DISGRACE! The Circus, and all of the Clowns and FREAKS need to leave. If they don’t leave bring on the HOSES. They are a complete menace to the neighborhood and shame on this mayor who allowed this kind of crap to go on for so long! DISGUSTING!

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