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Officials Meet With State’s Attorney, Have Preliminary Talks On Deadly Stamford Christmas Fire

Decision On Whether Someone Will Face Charges Could Come In Next 10 Days

STAMFORD, Conn. (CBSNewYork) — Was it just a horrible accident, or a crime?

That’s what police and prosecutors were trying to figure out Friday in Connecticut as they began putting the horrendous Christmas Day fire under a legal microscope.

CBS 2’s Lou Young was there as Stamford Police detectives left the Connecticut state attorney’s office fresh from a meeting about the tragic fire.

1010 WINS’ Al Jones Reports

The city’s detective commander said they’re trying to determine if a crime was committed when three young girls and their grandparents were killed.

“We mostly briefed him, gave him some documents and some of our investigative findings to study and get back to us. Not too much direction at this point. Again a very preliminary meeting,” Capt. Richard Conklin said, adding when asked how far the case is from being wrapped up, “well, it’s difficult to say, Lou, but I’d say week to a week-and-a-half.”

Sources told Young it’s all about smoke detectors and fire extinguishers that may have been taken out of the home, which was under renovation. They may have been stored back in that garage prior to the fatal blaze: an act that legally could be construed as criminally negligent homicide or even manslaughter.

Legal experts said the local precedent is the prosecution five years ago of a pool company owner for the fatal drowning of a Greenwich girl. The same state attorney arrested the company’s owner in what some consider to be a much weaker case than the Stamford fire. He eventually pleaded to criminally negligent homicide.

As the contractor, fire survivor Michael Borcina, could conceivably find himself in a similar position, the actions of Madonna Badger, the woman who lost her children and parents in the blaze, are also under scrutiny.

Fire marshals will be comparing their notes with the police in the coming week as well.

“When you have a fire of this magnitude it’s important to take your time,” Stamford Fire Chief Antonio Conte said.

Both Madonna Badger and Borcina have hired attorneys, although it remains unclear if either of them will really need one.

The girls’ father, Matthew Badger, is trying to build a foundation in their memory. On Friday he wrote on his Facebook page, “I keep telling myself I am still being their by insisting that they put a mark in this world.”

Please offer your thoughts in the comments section below …

Comments

One Comment

  1. Deborah Jeffries says:

    I’ll go one step further and compare Madonna Badger to Susan Smith and Diane Downs. All three of these self absorbed women put their men first, and their children are dead because of it.

    1. Whatever says:

      Um, Diane Downs and Susan Smith were convicted of MURDER. Did you learn anything in those law classes you supposedly took? Where is the malice and intent in the Badger case? Because in comparing Madonna Badger to S.S. and D.D., you are saying that she basically burned the house down with the intent of killing her parents and children.

      Also, Susan Smith and Diane Downs were both involved with men who didn’t want the responsibility (or bother) of their children. That FACT came out in their respective trials. Do you have some kind of inside knowledge that this was the case with Madonna Badger and Borcina? Or is it just another one of your obsessive, purely speculative fantasies?

      Please, stop…you’re making such a fool of yourself that I’m actually embarrassed for you.

  2. Deborah Jeffries says:

    You’re right NYC, too many negligent actions to count! I’m just eagerly awaiting news about criminal charges. Any day now, any day! But placing my bets on reckless manslaughter in the second degree. I think it is most appropriate for such gross negligence. Cross your fingers!

    1. NYC10009 says:

      Deborah, I actually feel most of the blame should be on Badger, even more than Borcina, because she should have been overseeing him every step of the way to make sure the house was safe for her family, had working smoke detectors, had its permits and certificate of occupancy, and took it upon herself to learn fireplace safety and proper disposal of ashes that are in the new house SHE bought. But she did not. Again and again, she trusted this creep implicitly, and looked the other way, giving him ultimate power over the safety of her entire family. Yet the safety of her family is HER responsibility, or should have been. Tragic. I’m sure Borcina will be charged, but unfortunately, her lawyers will most likely see to it that she does not. I hope I’m wrong.

      1. NYC10009 says:

        Typo: It should be: “….her lawyers will most likely see to it that she IS not.”

  3. Deborah Jeffries says:

    NYC, the way I see it is the only thing that separates Madonna Badger from Casey Anthony is intent. Though not intentional, it was incredibly selfish to flee a burning house with her family still in it and then climb the scaffolding after the fact. She was looking out for numero uno, as Casey did.

    1. NYC10009 says:

      It may not have been consciously intentional, but there is too much negligence on her part for this to be easily dismissed: lack of permits, lack of certificate of occupancy, no working smoke detectors, allowing her family to sleep on the second floor which was illegal, not overseeing a guest in HER home who she didn’t know very well to safely and properly dispose of live, dangerous ashes from HER fireplace, failing to dial 911 while she fled the house, and tragically giving her contractor boyfriend ultimate power over the safety of her family while she looked the other way. I could go on.

    2. Suzette says:

      Good evening, NYC and Deborah! You are both right, of course. A few delusionals out there still believe Casey Anthony was innocent of the charges against her. These “supporters” mostly seem to consist of young males, who think she is “hot.” But there is another group of whackos who slough off Anthony’s abysmal neglect of her daughter during her brief little life, as though this, coupled with the evidence presented at trial, was insignificant! Anthony thought only of her own pleasures, and with the exception of her brother’s dopey, and her perjuring parents, the concensus is, she never wanted to be a mother. Of course, we have no way of knowing what type of mother Badger was, but one thing is evident. Her hubris took over as far as the girls’ safety in that house was concerned. No smoke detectors, no fire extinquishers, not even a Certificate of Occupany! NO ONE should have been sleeping on the second floor of that house, especially elderly people and small children, yet Badger allowed it. And, if we are to believe Borcina’s account of things, she left it to him to dispose of the smoldering embers on that deadly night. By the way, Fox News reported yesterday that the home’s renovation blueprints do show that the mudroom was next to the kitchen and shared a common wall with it

      1. Suzette says:

        Typing too fast. That should have been “…her brother’s dopey fiance…”

      2. NYC10009 says:

        All great points, Suzette, that I totally agree with. I feel that Badger shares equal or even more responsibility for how those ashes were disposed, since it was HER home and HER fireplace, and ultimately her responsibility to oversee how anybody, especially a guest she didn’t know very well, disposes of live, dangerous embers while her family was sleeping upstairs in a sprawling, 100 year-old home with no smoke detectors. If she wasn’t up to the task, then she shouldn’t have bought such a huge wooden house and stayed in an apartment in the city. Thanks for letting us know about the Fox News story. I’m glad the media is still on this story, and they must feel something is about to break soon, as we all do. Excluding the stalker trolls, of course!

        1. Suzette says:

          NYC, thanks and I completely agree with you. There is no getting around the fact that it was HER house. In the final analysis, SHE was responsible for the safety of its occupants. An analogy could be made of a lesser offense than the one that happened in Stamford, though it illustrates a similar negligent mindset. Let’s say a homeowner has a cracked brick walkway leading to her front door. A friend visits her one night, by invitation, but there are no outdoor lights on. So, the friend falls on the walkway, fracturing her foot. Not wishing to accept responsibility for this accident, the homeowner cries to the insurance companies that she had asked her boyfriend to turn on the outdoor light before her friend got there, and he failed to do it. Will the insurance adjusters pat the homeowner on the head? Of course not. She will be held liable for causing dangerous conditions on her property that resulted in an accident. And, if the injured party died, by chance, the homeowner would be charged by the police, in a normal world. I am not saying that Borcina is any less culpable than she is, just that she shares culpability with him for the deaths of five people.

          1. Suzette says:

            I should have added this in my last post. The dangerous conditions that Badger caused are clear. She chose to live in a rambling, ancient wooden house that had not been granted a CO. And, she allowed her young children and elderly parents to sleep on the second and third floors. And, she did not have smoke detectors or even a fire extinquisher in the house. And, the ancient fireplace was not off limits. As for the disposal of the embers, we don’t know who did that. If it was Borcina, the overseeing fell onto Badger, to make sure that he disposed of them safely.

            1. lauralee3 says:

              I will bet that in her business world, Madonna calls all the shots and gets what she wants (which is a good thing), even if it means bending the rules. But in the real world that the rest of us live in, her rule bending or complete disregard of them, did her family in. CO’s exist for a reason. Ignoring that important safety factor was wrong, as was putting her trust in the hands of that big dummy, Borcina. Parading him into the funeral was also wrong, on so many levels.

              1. Suzette says:

                I agree on both points, lauralee. Surely, someone close to Badger advised her not to bring the very one who had snuffed out the lives of her “girl tribe” and parents. Her will to do whatever she wanted already had seen her ignore numerous safety rules in her home, with tragic results, and here she was at the funeral, asserting her will again by publicly locking arms with Borcina. She doesn’t seem to be a person who possesses any insight at all.

            2. Francine says:

              Hey, Guys. I keep thinking of the original timeline, posted 12.28 in the Stamford Advocate, where an “unidentified member” of the household placed a “yule log” in the mudroom. Borcina was undressed and barefoot. Was Mrs. Badger dressed? Was she really on the first floor, and he sleeping on the second floor? How did the “yule log” turn into “embers” – ? And then switch locations to outside of the mudroom?

              1. Suzette says:

                Francine, I, too, recall reading the original account of the fire. The fact that it morphed from “unidentified family member” and “yule log” to Borcina and a bag of embers, could be chalked up to early, sketchy reporting. Or, maybe it was the true story.

                The mudroom was part of the house, directly behind the kitchen.

              2. Francis Ford says:

                Good morning all!
                Francine I agree the details were sketchy in the early timeline of this story and it seemed like they kept changing. I, too have been reading older reports lately and I can see all the discrepancies too. Maybe this happens more often than I realize but I kept returning to the story in my mind precisely because it never made complete sense.

                1. Francine says:

                  Hi Francis, Suzette, I was told by a friend early on that, in his experience, what people say in the first few minutes of (something like this) is closest to the truth. He thought the story would change if someone was feeling guilty. He, of course, could be wrong. Well, we might know more, soon.

    3. Whatever says:

      Oh no, you didn’t. You didn’t really compare Casey Anthony to Madonna Badger. Oops, you did. Well, thanks for the laugh…I can only imagine how arrogant and self-righteous you are in real life. Positively insufferable, I’m sure. And here on this message board, you are oh-so transparent.

      So who are you going to compare her to next – Lizzie Borden?

      1. Francine says:

        Hey, Whatever. Try not to let it get you down too much. I do understand the impetus from which the gal-pack gets their outrage, and they are always seeking answers and trying to read facts to come up with a conclusion. I know they don’t need (or want) me to “defend” them, but I have to say, I agree so much with where they’re coming from that I don’t mind the speculation. Those little girls and their grandparents are gone, and, unfortunately, I am of the opinion that the hubris of Mrs. Badger is responsible, even if she were not technically at fault. There is something that keeps “telling” me that – that’s kind of why I check this thread! And somewhere along the line, it started looking to me like Borcina was going to accept the entire blame. I just can’t buy it, for some reason. Something about him being at the funeral really got to me; I don’t think it was Borcina’s idea, I don’t think he was smart enough to stay away. I don’t think Mrs. Badger was thinking clearly. In trying to look innocent, she raised suspicion.😦 Anyway, not to go on forever… but I do empathize with your feelings. I just see things differently. Take care!

        1. lauralee3 says:

          Well said.

        2. Whatever says:

          Thanks, Francine. I appreciate your point of view even though I don’t agree with some of it. I guess we’ll find out sooner than later re. any criminal charges against Borcina or Mrs. Badger or both. Personally, I will be very surprised if any charges are filed against Mrs. Badger, but that’s just my opinion.

          1. Francine says:

            Hey, Whatever. We don’t agree, but I can tell you… if charges are filed against Mrs. Badger, I’m going to feel really bad for her. Horrible, actually. Because if she is fibbing/skewing facts to make herself look better (that’s kind of where I’m at) then it would have been SO much better if she had told the absolute truth from the start. It might be that “skewing” is what has left her open to worse speculation. Something is weird in all of this; many people sense that. Anyway, we’ll know more later. But somehow I’m not looking forward to it…

            1. lauralee3 says:

              I completely agree that I feel bad about Madonna. But her family suffered horrible, horrible deaths – smoke inhalation may have killed them but they would’ve been burned beyond recognoition in that fire, all except the grandfather. And the whole story has been fishy since the day it happened. As soon as I heard ‘male companion’, I thought “uh-oh”. Then the ’embers blowing back on the house’ morphed into a ‘bag of embers in or out? of a mudroom’.Followed by the house being torn down the next day (on a holiday weekend!). She paraded him to the funeral, and now they were ‘sleeping in separate bedrooms’. It’s. just. too. weird. And it remains to be super sad as well.

              1. lauralee3 says:

                –> recognition

  4. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Ah NYC glad to see ya and have a REAL comment among all of the trolling and a character(s) today. I bet they also think that poor Casey Anthony is innocent and a victim of public judgment. Ur uh m’kay!

    1. NYC10009 says:

      Ha! Great point, Deborah. I’m sure they do. And they will attack anybody who says otherwise, just like they’re doing here and on other threads ad nauseam.

  5. Whatever says:

    It’s not only wrong, it’s sick and disturbing. A certain group of people here, who profess to care about justice for the victims, are indeed behaving like vigilantes. There’s a pack mentality of “string ’em up now!” when the investigation isn’t even complete. Furthermore, some of their comments are completely irrelevant to the known facts of this case – i.e. the name-calling and speculation regarding the survivors’ personal lives. They’re simply using this forum to unleash their resentment and hatred of a woman who represents wealth and success…they revel in her pain, and it’s all under the guise of “justice for the victims.” Somehow, I doubt the victims would approve. The posters in question here are humanity at its very worst.

    1. Lincoln says:

      You need to call a doctor…

      1. Sandy says:

        Right — a doctor is definitely needed for some of these mutants masquerading as human beings!!

    2. Interloper says:

      Whatever—Bravo! Beautifully said! I couldn’t have said it better myself! There seems to be an ever increasing common thread in the world today called “Man’s Inhumanity to Man”, which phrase is in a famous poem by Robert Burns shown below. We see and hear about it in the media everyday. The negative comments posted here are a prime example of this. The desire to hurt others seems to be so pervasive and sad. If all of this negative energy could be channeled into positive energy, just think what a better world it would be for all of us. Amen.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man's_inhumanity_to_man

      Man was made to mourn: A Dirge by Robert Burns
      Many and sharp the num’rous ills
      Inwoven with our frame!
      More pointed still we make ourselves
      Regret, remorse, and shame!
      And man, whose heav’n-erected face
      The smiles of love adorn, –
      Man’s inhumanity to man
      Makes countless thousands mourn!

      1. NYC10009 says:

        Interloser, nobody on this thread demonstrates “Man’s inhumanity to man” more than you do, by not only constantly attacking, bullying, stalking, and insulting anybody who holds a different opinion than your own, but by not demanding justice for the victims of this horrific fire. You’re a huge hypocrite.

        1. Whatever says:

          You and your little cyber friends are the hypocrites. Knock yourself out, though…keep fighting the good fight “for the victims.” LOL

      2. Whatever says:

        And I couldn’t have said that better myself. Man’s inhumanity to man is on display here under the pretext of “demanding justice for the victims” and “raising public awareness.” Anyone with a rational brain can see right through the comments of certain posters (you know who you are). Answers, justice and prevention are one thing; repeatedly flogging a woman who lost everything is another. It’s sadistic, it’s scary, and it’s sad.

  6. Buckey says:

    Stop this It is wrong

    1. Interloper says:

      Buckey,I totally agree with you that most of the negative comments here are totally WRONG. The small group of persons making these comments apparently have their own agenda, which is to add insult to injury to specific individuals who are suffering and grieving greatly from this horrible tragedy. They have the mentality of vigilantes who take the law into their own hands and determine the appropriate punishment for those that they deem to have committed wrongful and/or criminal acts. While we have free speech in this country, there are those who abuse it and cross over the line by spewing out comments which contain filth, hatred and distortions. They violate all of the laws of human decency.

      1. Sandy says:

        Agreed! What a bunch of sick, twisted mutants!! They must be miserable to deal with in real life!

      2. Lincoln says:

        Really? Do you think talk like that helps? Kids and old people died in that fire.

        1. NYC10009 says:

          Exactly, Lincoln. And it was a fire caused by the negligence of both Badger and Borcina. Justice needs to be served for the victims, and to raise public awareness and prevent more senseless loss of lives in the future.

          1. Whatever says:

            Nope. You don’t care one bit about any of that. You’re here to get your kicks, and it’s very sick and twisted.

  7. Deborah Jeffries says:

    I took law classes in NYC 22 years ago and laws vary from state to state and they change based on legislation. I’m glad it’s a Class E felony, but that’s a low felony. AR is Accelerated Rehabilitation a type of probation when granted by a Judge, after you serve it and stay out of trouble, the charge is expunged from your record.

    1. Sandy says:

      Sure you took law classes — you’re a legend in your own mind!!

    2. Whatever says:

      Really? Laws vary from state to state and they change based on legislation? So which website did you copy and paste that from? Wikipedia?

      I hope you have some good meds at the ready because if the CT prosecutor comes back with “no charges will be filed,” I think you’ll be suicidal!

      1. Suzette says:

        Wrong again. I copied and pasted that information from a legal site on CT law. Troll, you may as well give up. Your tiresome, hate-choked rants lost their miniscule punch about 50 rants ago. Now, you just sound crazy.

        1. Whatever says:

          Interesting…my comment was directed to Deborah Jeffries, but you responded. So I guess you are one and the same…which doesn’t surprise me. Are you also NYC10009?

          Maybe you should just go by Sybil!

          1. Suzette says:

            Troll, since I, not Deborah, was the one who copied and pasted something on the law, I assumed it was ME you were accusing of going to Wikipedia. Now, I am done with your lunacy.

            1. Whatever says:

              Whatever you say, Sybil.

  8. Deborah Jeffries says:

    I sincerely hope it’s not Criminally Negligent Homicide because since it’s a lesser charge, they may avoid jail time altogether. But they wouldn’t be eligible for AR because CT excludes certain crimes for AR and homicide is one of them unless the statute changed.

    1. Francis Ford says:

      girl, i am impressed! however I am still confused though it is no fault of yours. ill do a little research. what type of hard evidence would be needed for either case?
      also what is AR?

      1. Francis Ford says:

        i just read that Criminally Negligent Homicide is a class e felony

        1. Francis Ford says:

          does this all depend on the state in which the crime is committed?

    2. Suzette says:

      I found a good link I will try to post tomorrow.

  9. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Been a while since I took law classes, but the difference is in culpability. Criminally Negligent Homicide is a careless, neglectful act and a Class A misdemeanor. 2nd degree Reckless Manslaughter is gross negligence, acted recklessly and a Class E felony.

    1. Suzette says:

      I found the following on a judicial website and tried to post it the other night, with no success. There must be a benign word in it that is being rejected by the software. I am going to try root that word out and send it with “dashes”

      Involuntary manslaughter is sometimes called criminally negligent homicide. A person who commits criminally negligent homicide is guilty of a crime. For a jury to find the defendant guilty, the state must prove beyond a reasonable doubt the following:

      1. that the defendant’s conduct resulted in the death of the victim

      2. that the defendant acted with criminal negligence.

      Criminal negligence means the person ought to have been aware of a substantial r-i-s-k that the victim would die. The risk must be of such a degree that the failure to perceive it constitutes a d-e-v-i-a-t-i-o-n from the standard of care that an ordinary person would exercise.

      The requirement of criminal negligence is also established if it is shown that the defendant acted intentionally, knowingly or recklessly.

      Intentionally means the person’s conscious objective was to cause the death of the victim.

      Knowingly means that the person acted with an anwareness that his or her conduct was reasonably certain to cause the death of the victim.

      Recklessly means that the person was aware of, but consciously disregarded, a substantial r-i-s-k that the victim would die. The r-i-s-k must be of such a degree that its disregard constitutes a d-e-v-i-a-t-i-o-n from the standard of care that an ordinary person would have exercised..

      Borcina’s conduct caused the deaths, and it may be shown that they were not due to his actions alone. The question will be, did he act intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly?

  10. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Hi Francis! My prediction is the Police or the Prosecutor will announce charges of reckless manslaughter next week. Not sure about what degree, but sincerely hope BOTH parties are charged.

    1. Francis Ford says:

      D: what is the difference between this and negligence?

    2. Lincoln says:

      Sounds like the authorities are closing in on both of them. Their story was fishy from the beginning, and it still it.

  11. Deborah Jeffries says:

    So right lauralee, you know the tone of my posts and I know yours so we both know if it’s authentic. I believe there’s a simple explanation for weirdos like them and it’s called paranoid schizophrenia.

    1. Francis Ford says:

      so deborah did u say i was good at writing or not? 🙂 i await the week’s developments in terms of the state attorney’s office and the police department like everyone else. i wonder what will be next? I am thinking we will likely hear newer versions of the ‘story that keeps changing’………partly because the press can only report in dribs and drabs as the facts come in…..

      1. Suzette says:

        Hi Francis. I didn’t say it, but I echo that person. You express your thoughts very well. I always look forward to reading your posts, as well as the insights of Deborah, NYC, Lauralee and a few other sane posters, who come here less often. You all are great contributors to this site.

        1. NYC10009 says:

          Suzette, thank you, and right back at ya! I always look forward to reading your sharp insights, as well as Deborah’s, Lauralee’s, Francis, Francine, and others who are equally as smart, brave, and clear-sighted. Keep ’em coming, and you’re right, ignore the trolls!

          1. Suzette says:

            Thanks, NYC! I like our mutual admiration society here (sans trolls) and the fact that we are pulling for the same goal: justice for those five victims and for Matthew Badger.

        2. Francis Ford says:

          why thank you. we try.

    2. NYC10009 says:

      Deborah, I thought the same thing. Frenetically posting under all of our names fulfills the troll’s sick multiple personality disorder.

    3. Suzette says:

      Deborah, thanks for the heads up, and ditto to your comment. Like you, NYC, and lauralee, my many posts have had the same theme: justice for the five dead victims. That will not change.

      1. Suzette says:

        Francis, I failed to reference your name in the above comment! Sorry about that! You are a VIP here and every bit as intent on seeing justice as the rest of us.

  12. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Suzette, NYC, Francis, lauralee and sue please be aware that the troll is posting under our names. Perhaps the moderator should be made aware of the impersonations.

    1. The Moderator says:

      Please be aware that you, Suzette and NYC should run, not walk, to your nearest mental health center asap. Your obsession with Madonna Badger is out of control and you have all been deemed dangers to society.

      That is all.

    2. Francis Ford says:

      Thanks Deborah. This has become quite obvious tonight.

    3. lauralee3 says:

      Thanks for the heads up, Deborah, but they don’t bother me – at all. I’ve made it pretty clear what I think of the whole tragic situation. If a post with my name that says otherwise pops up, you know it isn’t me.

      I would like to thank CBS for providing a forum for rational people to share their opinions.

  13. sue says:

    If Madonna and Borcino are hiding something, then what is it?

    I could come up with thousands of answers for him, but her? The only thing I think she could have done was conspire to purposefully torch the house for the insurance money, but I highly doubt that she would have intentionally harmed her children or allowed them to be home while the house went up in flames.

    Why would she cover for him? Why are they lying about the details?

    I think the police are waiting for these two to turn on each other. Also, how do we know that these two are newly dating? I know about the Facebook pictures, but what do they really prove?

    1. Francis Ford says:

      sue, i don’t know many of these answers, but i do know each lie has been to make someone look better. think about it and it makes sense. this story is not only really sad, it is also really creepy. i hope we get some answers.

    2. Interloper says:

      sue–good grief–how preposterous can you be with such contorted thinking? What would ever possess you to think that Madonna would possibly conspire to torch the house, especially on Christmas eve with seven persons at home. She would risk killing her family for insurance proceeds when she is a very successful business women with financial means? Anyone bent on torching a house for the insurance money would most likely have it done with no one in the house.

  14. Interloper says:

    WHAT am I talking about! I worship my little walnut almost as much as I worship killers and crack pipes!! So, there.

    1. NYC10009 says:

      Come to think of it, I like crack pipes, too — too bad my dealer was busted last week. Now I’m going through withdrawal and I’m soooooooooo cranky!

      Maybe I can find some meth instead.

    2. Interloper says:

      This comment below was not made by me and should be deleted. CBS should have a system whereby all persons who post comments have to be registered so that they can’t assume someone else’s name and post the most deplorable filthy comments under his name, in an attempt to harass and embarras him. I reported all of illicit comments that were made under my name on January 28, 2012 and most have been deleted.

      WHAT am I talking about! I worship my little walnut almost as much as I worship killers and crack pipes!! So, there.
      January 28, 2012 at 9:11 pm | Reply

  15. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Francis, you should try writing. You’re very good at it. You don’t have to explain yourself to these trolls just look at the crazy stuff they’re saying. None of us owe them an explanation or should give them (they are the same person) any attention they obviously crave IMHO.

    1. Suzette says:

      So Deborah, when are we going to do lunch? I have no friends or job so I’ve got plenty of time. You’ll have to pay, though — I’m broke and my welfare check isn’t due for a few weeks.

      It’ll be such fun to discuss this case in person and our brilliant, witty posts! When we meet, you’ll know me right away since I’m a BBW — all 400 lbs. of me.

      Now back to my Doritos.

      1. sue says:

        This is too funny.

        1. Suzette says:

          Back off, Sue — Deborah is MINE!!!

      2. whatever says:

        OOOH, I am so JEALOUS of Suzette, Deborah and NYC! .I want to be smart and insightful like them! I jack their names, but at the end of the day I’m still a blubbery idiot living on food stamps in a crash burn trailer with the cracked formica countertop. Woe is me.

        Somebody take me to the WALL OF SHAME before I EXPLODE into a million green pieces, pleeeeze?

        1. Interloper says:

          Whatever: This is your alter ego speaking. We need a long rest and a few decades of psychotherapy. Jacking the names of Deborah, Suzette and NYC is gonna get us an even worse rep than we already have! Let’s slither over the hill to the WALL OF SHAME together and smoke some crack till morning.. K?

          1. NYC10009 says:

            CAN I COME, TOO? PLEASE???

            1. Suzette says:

              Me, too!

              1. Deborah Jeffries says:

                Count me in!!

                1. Francis Ford says:

                  dont forget me!

                2. Francis Ford says:

                  what about me me me!

          2. Interloper says:

            The message below was not posted by me and should be deleted by CBS.

            Whatever: This is your alter ego speaking. We need a long rest and a few decades of psychotherapy. Jacking the names of Deborah, Suzette and NYC is gonna get us an even worse rep than we already have! Let’s slither over the hill to the WALL OF SHAME together and smoke some crack till morning.. K?
            January 28, 2012 at 9:51 pm | Reply

    2. NYC10009 says:

      I’M BETTER AT WRITING THAN SHE IS, DEBORAH!!! WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOU THAT YOU CAN’T SEE MY BRILLIANCE?!?!?! YOU OWE **ME** AN EXPLANATION RIGHT NOW!!!

      WHEEEEE…..BEING A NARCISSIST IS FUN!!!!!

    3. Francis Ford says:

      why thank u deborah!

    4. Interloper says:

      Deborah et al…..I have posted here only under the name of Interloper. I have not posted any other name here (e.g., I am not “Whatever”). Yesterday, when some lunatic started posting vile messages under my name, I reported all of them and thankfully they have been deleted. CBS needs to register all posters so that someone cannot start posting under someone else’s name. Apparently the same thing happened to some of you. I have no tolerance for people who would stoop so low to do that.

  16. Cherry says:

    Interloper –

    Please go away. You are wasting your time and ours.

  17. Francis Ford says:

    “Decision On Whether Someone Will Face Charges Could Come In Next 10 Days”

    “Was it just a horrible accident, or a crime?”

    The above words are quotes taken from the CBS article above. Why is that Interloper gets so bent out of shape when people actually start guessing?

    Isn’t CBS urging us to guess? Maybe, Interloper, you should take this up with CBS and ask them: “Why did you write that headline?” And maybe throw in, “How dare you write that??” And, lastly, “I am placing you on the Wall of Shame!”

    Maybe a specific concrete action such as this might make you feel better? JUST MY OPINION HERE Mrs. Interloper and I have every right to it. 🙂
    Not to mention, you do not cease to make suggestions for all the rest of us ad nauseum.

    1. NYC10009 says:

      Both Interloser and Whatever are rabid control freaks, constantly telling others what to think and feel, and if we’re not thinking and feeling exactly what they are, they stalk and attack us. As you say, ad nauseum! Meanwhile, so much of what we’ve been saying for weeks has finally raised the same red flags to the police and investigators, yet still Interloser and Whatever continue trying to censor and belittle us. Disgusting.

      1. Suzette says:

        Hi, NYC. I think Interloper/Whatever are the same troll. The posts of each are identical in language, style of “writing,” and skewed message. I would bet that one doesn’t care about Badger at all – unless she is harboring some physical attraction for the woman. More likely, she defends her like someone out of Fatal Attraction, because she knows she will get a response from us. Attention, which she obviously craves. It doesn’t matter that the attention is negative, just so she gets attention. She must lead a very solated and dim existence. I know it is difficult to ignore her, because she nserts her lunacy and vicious libel into every conversation. But if we ignore her, eventually she will get bored and leave. Besides, we don’t have to plead a case to the likes of her. She has eyeballs and can read and knows that our suspicions are being echoed by the investigators and by Matthew Badger himself! We are on the right track. Not her. I have encountered many trolls in my years of blogging on various websites, and believe me when I say, no amount of logic, or common sense, no mounting pile of evidence, or known facts, will ever faze a troll.

        1. Francis Ford says:

          thanks suzette

        2. Whatever says:

          Well, I’ll be…Interloper must be my long-lost twin since our posts are “identical” yet we are most definitely not the same person.

          By the way, what’s a solated existence?

          1. whatever says:

            What’s that sound I hear? No, no, no! It’s the white coats circling my computer!! Come quickly, alter ego Interloper! Let us slither to the WALL OF SHAME and hide our insipid rumps there!!!!

            1. NYC10009 says:

              All this talk about sausages has gotten me all hot and bothered!! My pimp said I could have the night off…..darn!! It’s the only way I can get some, after all. Must be my mustache — guess that turns men off.

              Don’t worry, girls, if I can’t find any takers I’ll be back to post more of my brilliance. Then we can all bask in our own personal mutual admiration society!

        3. NYC10009 says:

          Suzette….I always believed they were the same. It’s quite obvious. Now Whatever/Interloser is pathetically using my name to troll with it, imitating the other actually FUNNY dude who was mimicking THEM. As usual, Whatever/Interloser is unable to come up with anything original.

          1. NYC10009 says:

            WHERE’S MY CRACK PIPE??????

  18. Cherry says:

    Whatever –

    Are all these postings yours? Somebody might be using your name. Check it out.

    1. Whatever says:

      I see…well, you know what they say – imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! I guess Deborah, Suzette and/or NYC10009 all want to be me! Not that I blame them since their own lives are obviously wretched. LOL

  19. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Hey xxxx, OMG love the Italian sausage post! Keep up the good work!

    1. Suzette says:

      Deborah, it’s gone now. Interloper/whatever must have whined to the moderator to take it down.

      That unbalanced person has been stalking the women on this site for days with her non-stop harassment and libel. People can’t even have a conversation anymore. Clearly, she is a seasoned troll and bad news for any respectable website.

      1. Suzette says:

        Excuse me, xxx’s comment is still here. Other comments vanished, but not the one about the sausage.

        1. NYC10009 says:

          I believe the other comments you’re referring to weren’t removed either, but are at the very bottom of the page. For some weird reason, they moved.

          1. Suzette says:

            Ah. Thanks, NYC.

          2. NYC10009 says:

            Now why did they move my comments? Oops — I mean the OTHER comments!!

        2. Francis Ford says:

          many comments are left at the very bottom of this page

      2. NYC10009 says:

        Hi Suzette, if you’re referring to the Italian sausage post, it wasn’t taken down, but is right below yours!

        Great points (as usual) about Interloser/Whatever.

      3. Francis Ford says:

        not to mention massive doses of sexism dished out by a female!

      4. Deborah Jeffries says:

        I know, it’s terrible! Now let’s talk about us…..I have a confession to make, Suzette: I think I’m in love! With you. I love BBWs!! When can we meet?

      5. Suzette says:

        It’s gone now, Deborah, but the little voices in my head aren’t. They’re saying “Suzette, you’re a loser…..and stop eating those Doritos! Muwahahahaha!”

  20. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx says:

    These poor children are dead because the mother loved the Italian sausage and dropped her panties on Christmas eve for it.The Police and Fire Marshal in charge are idiots for destroying the crime scene the next day after the fire.Clearly no one will pay but the victims

    1. Cherry says:

      Sure, xxx…. It’s all the mother’s fault.

  21. Francis Ford says:

    Francis Ford

    More from Matthew’s page:
    and now a Lily Sarah Grace Fund!
    http://www.lilysarahgracefund.org/
    Pass it on!

    1. NYC10009 says:

      Thank you for posting this, Francis!

      1. Francis Ford says:

        I personally like very much the way the foundation description is worded. It is for “arts in education” and the description is very clear! He has obviously thought about this carefully and it is a worthy cause! He also has posted many photos of the three girls daughters at his Facebook page.

    2. Suzette says:

      Francis, thanks for posting the link. I am going over there in a few minutes.

      1. Suzette says:

        Not that I’ll donate anything — I’m just going to gape. Gotta save my shekels so I can buy more chips and dip!

  22. Deborah Jeffries says:

    I’ll say it in any way I damned well please. Badger is even worse than Borcina because she bailed on the two people who brought her selfish ass into the world and three children that she carried. Sorry for her loss? SHE LEFT THEM TO DIE AND SHE SHOULD FEEL GUILTY!

    1. Whatever says:

      Deborah from a self-described bad part of Stamford – so bitter and transparent.

      1. Cherry says:

        Whatever?

        Was that really you having that conversation with “Interloper”/

        1. Whatever says:

          Yes, Cherry, I think Interloper is a hottie with his miniscule penis. Do you have a problem with that?? I don’t see how it’s any off your bees wax, frankly.

          1. Cherry says:

            Sorry! I thought you were an intelligent nice person.

            1. Whatever says:

              I’m sometimes “nice” when people agree with all my opinions, but not very intelligent.

              1. Interloper says:

                Let me in on this!! I am just as insipid as Whatever!!!

                Oh, wait…Whatever is ME!!

                I need to go to the WALL OF SHAME now. BYE!!

                1. NYC10009 says:

                  Yes, yes, come join me on the Wall of Shame……I am there everyday — instead of meeting for lunch in Stamford we can hang out at the Wall of Shame and trade brilliant insights about this case!

                  Wheeee……being a loser with no life is such fun!!!!!

  23. Deborah Jeffries says:

    The story they are telling now, is completely different than the one they told originally. Why do you think they’re under police scrutiny, because the police have nothing else better to do? Charges are imminent according to news reports. IT’S BECAUSE THEY COMMITTED A CRIME!

    1. Whatever says:

      Calm down and wipe the foam off your chin. Nowhere does it say that “charges are imminent.”

      1. Francis Ford says:

        whatever, it says if there are charges they will come in around ten days (or not).
        It is obvious with the State Attorney involved this is serious,

  24. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Hey inter-bowel movement or whatever troll moniker you’re using, you get your kicks defending two vermin who let five die? Excuse me now just thinking of you I feel the urge to crap.

    1. Interloper says:

      Honey, all you know how to do is crap–it comes out of both ends of you! I am in no way defending Borcia, so get over yourself. If Madonna was an accessory to the fact in your eyes, let it go. She has already been dealt a lifetime of profound grief. How many more pints of her blood do you want–you vampire? What is your purpose for this witch hunt of yours? I am not a stalker here at all. I have a right to comment as much as you do. Who died and left you ruler of the kingdom? The purpose of this forum is to share our views and opinions on this tragic happening. Just because I happen to disagree with your viewpoint doesn’t make me a bad person. Your problem is that you (and others here) are totally unwilling to listen and consider alternative viewpoints, if they are contrary to your distorted thinking at times.

      P.S. You should start acting more ladylike and stop using such profound vile language.

      1. NYC10009 says:

        InterLOSER – stop bullying, stalking, and attempting to censor people on this thread who don’t agree with your twisted view that those responsible for the deaths of five individuals shouldn’t be held accountable. You have not given even one “view” or “opinion” on this subject as you claim this thread is for, instead you only troll this and other threads to harass and attack those of us who want justice for this horrific crime.

        You must be a paid shill of Badger and Borcina, there’s no other way to explain the idiocy. Unless you were sadly born this dumb and blind.

        1. Interloper says:

          NYC10009–Fair enough! If you would take the time to read all of my enlightened commentary, you would find that I am against Borcina and feel he needs to be made accountable for all of his missteps and illegal actions along the way. I leave it to the law to decide if any just punishment is warranted. If I were the judge, Borcina would not be happy with the harsh treatment I would have in store for him. I was incensed that he was at the funeral and had the gaul to give Matthew a comforting pat on his shoulder outside of the church before the service. I am sorry, but I have the utmost compassion for both Madonna and Matthew, who have to bear this unimaginable grief for the rest of their lives. I somehow believe that Madonna must have been conned or sucked into a vacuum with this less than reputable contractor. How she latched onto him, checked his references and didn’t involve herself in second guessing all of his moves or failures (especially no fire alarms in the house), is only subject to conjecture right now. I don’t like to speculate and will continue to draw and refine my own feelings on this matter, if we ultimately get the facts we would all like to know. Right now, I believe, based upon what I have learned from the media, that Madonna is basically a good person and was a wonderful mother to her three daughters. I think I stand with the majority of people (unlike most of the posters here) who have offered a world-wide outpouring of love and deepest sympathy to both Madonna and Matthew. Please let them grieve in peace.

      2. Francis Ford says:

        wow. who is calling the kettle black here?

    2. Whatever says:

      You call the woman who lost her three little girls and her parents “vermin”…I wonder if it ever occurred to you that she may read some of your comments one day. I’m sure you could care less…and that, in my opinion, is because you are rotten to the core.

      Those five people you claim to care so much about – what do you think they’d say about your campaign of cruelty towards their mother and daughter?

      1. NYC10009 says:

        InterLOSER/Whatever….What do you think the police and the father’s private investigators would say of your campaign of cruelty toward the five victims of the tragic fire? What do you think they’d say about your efforts to PREVENT the truth from coming out, as you do on this and other threads 24/7? What do you think they’d say about your constant irrational, borderline insane, non-stop attacks on those who want justice for those poor people and those who caused those deaths to be held accountable, either through negligent homicide or manslaughter charges, as the detective also stated in the above article. I’ll tell you what they’d say about you – they’d say you’re a twisted lunatic who prefers to keep its tiny brain buried in the sane rather than face facts, yes, facts. And your attempts to suppress the truth from coming out, you’re increasing the chances of this tragic event to be repeated in the future.

        What a dangerous idiot you are!

        1. Whatever says:

          The only twisted lunatics here are you, Deborah, Suzette and Lauralee. The cruel, disgusting comments you’ve made underscore that. You could care less about the five victims; who do you think you’re kidding? What this forum means to you is an opportunity to twist the knife in a woman who’s already suffered the unimaginable – and you’ve done it over and over again. It’s like a feeding frenzy of obsessed psychos.

          You are clearly unstable.

          1. lauralee says:

            Hey now….

            OK, I’m going to say this for the last time…I don’t think Madonna meant for any of this to happen,. .and maybe even Michael (although her children being out of the picture would certainly benefit him), but someone should be held accountable. And with the house being torn down so quickly (on a holiday weekend no less!), the lack of smoke detecters, and their stories now changing, it really feels like something is rotten in Stamford…and at the very least – should be thoroughly looked into, which is what they are now doing.

            I completely agree that Madonna (and Matthew!) will suffer for the rest of their lives for this almost unspeakable tragedy, but if she is shown to be somehow culpable for these deaths, then she gets what she gets. If she was drunk and killed her family via car, she would still be held accountable in a court of law, right? I feel really, really bad for her, but I would’ve thought that a woman of her status would’ve made wiser choices. Speaking of which, I hope they throw the book at Borcina.

            1. Francis Ford says:

              as usual lauralee we are on the same page!

              I like “something is rotten in Stamford” as a potential CBS article title. 🙂

              1. Francis Ford says:

                i hope the writer of this CBS article notices what dedicated and passionate readers s/he has. i think i might switch even my field to criminal justice one of these days or maybe news writing/reporting….:)

                1. NYC10009 says:

                  Speaking of passion, where are those sausages?????

              2. lauralee3 says:

                Hi five to you, Francis🙂

    3. Interloper says:

      Just how low can one stoop to post such a vile and disgusting message like this under my screen name, that I didn’t post. The person who posted it obviously does not have the same e-mail address as me and will hopefully be banned from this website. I have reported the offense.

  25. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Badger and Borcina caused the deaths of five and lied to police. These are the FACTS NOT OPINIONS NOR SLANDER.

    1. Interloper says:

      If that is true, would you please give us the link that shows that they both lied. Of course, anyone who fully trusts the media (either written or on TV) has to be the biggest fool ever born. What I am principally complaining about here are those persons who are posting all kinds of imaginary crap about what they think happened or supposed happened, using salacious sexual overtones. I have no problem with discussing the facts or having someone express their opinions if they seem sensible based on the facts. When you take the facts and then start to embellish them with all sorts of distortions and tawdry, that’s where I draw the line. Therefore, like you and others here, I want to speak my peace too and give my opposing view when I think it is called for. I don’t call this being unreasonable.

    2. Whatever says:

      There is no evidence that Madonna Badger lied about anything. Borcina changed his story, apparently, but the FACTS are not all in yet. I’m sure the investigators are hard at work, and they will ultimately determine the facts – not you. You are your equally mindless minions are SPECULATING. Speculation = an opinion.

      And by the way, brainiac, I believe you meant libel since slander is the term for oral defamation of character. Duhhh.

  26. NYC10009 says:

    Get a life, Interloser. You’ve been stalking women and trolling threads 24/7 under different aliases, posting nonsensical garbage.

    It’s clear why you have no relationships in the real world, and are so desperately lonely you hound and harass those of us online.

    1. Interloper says:

      NYC10009–It is little wonder that women, in general, get a bad wrap for being “irrational”. It’s because of women like you who should know better and serve as better role models in life. Again, you make all sorts of fiendish assumptions about my life and accusations which are far from the truth when you don’t know a blessed thing about me. FYI, I rarely comment on media threads–that is not my mission in life—so sorry. However, this tragedy is close to my heart and I will not lay down my sword when I read so much fabricated gutter rubbish that most of you women post here. It is more like you are harassing me and are totally reluctant to consider the point of view of others, without getting all bent out of shape. It’s hard to soften my tone when dealing with a bunch of barbaric renegades here.

  27. Jay Pee says:

    I heard that the children did not want Santa to get burned by the hot cinders. So this jerk-, the boyfriend places the cinders outside. Couldn’t this idiot come up with a better excuse like Santa is still in Norway and the cinders will be out by then?

    What a stupid move. I have a fireplace and the contractor made a cement vault below the fireplace so that ashes and even hot cinders could be shoveled down a flap and they would be extinguished
    This guy deserves to be charged with some type a crime just for gross stupidity.

    One last thing…Moms out there that need a guy so bad..think again

    1. NYC10009 says:

      Very true, but ultimately it was Madonna Badger’s home and HER fireplace, and she was responsible for the dangerous, live ashes to be properly disposed of. But she turned a blind eye and allowed her sociopath contractor BF to do whatever he damn pleased with them without overseeing him. You don’t leave a loaded revolved lying around, turn your back, and then give a guest permission to shoot it. But that’s exactly what she did. It was HER home, HER castle, and the buck stopped with her. Or should have.

      1. Interloper says:

        I agreed with Jay Pee, not you NYC10009. Oh–aren’t you so holier than thou! Now if it were a husband of Madonna (rather than a boyfriend of hers), then I assume you would excuse Madonna from second guessing her husband and checking to see if he disposed of the ashes in a safe and sound manner? Give me a break with such illogical thinking. If I had a boyfriend who is a contractor no less, I would rightly assume that he would know how to safely dispose of fireplace ashes, unless he was a half wit. You don’t have the foggiest idea of exactly what Madonna’s relationship was this man or the trust she had gained in him. It’s so nice that you can sit on your high throne and pontificate to others who do not live up to your standards of righteousness.

        1. Francine says:

          With all due respect, you don’t know that 10009 knows or doesn’t know Mr. and Mrs. Badger. Research the zipcode.

          1. Whatever says:

            Research the zip code?? There are over 8 million people living in NYC – are we to assume they all personally know the Badgers? Furthermore, NYC10009 could actually be living in Enid, Oklahoma. Either way, I’d bet the farm that he/she/it does NOT know them.

            Really, that was just a silly comment.

            1. Francine says:

              Would you bet the farm that I don’t know them?

              1. Whatever says:

                I can’t form that opinion based on one or two comments from you, but a NYC zip as a screen name means ZIP in that regard.

                1. Francine says:

                  Hey, Whatever. 10009 means something to me; I see it differently. But thank you for your rational regarding whether I know them or not. I think you’re kind to have such deep empathy for Mrs. Badger. But I have a terrible feeling that her mind worked too fast and irrationally, and what was a tragic, stupid, accident has turned into a huge mess due to one lie, from the start. This is aside from the permits/CofO/fire alarms, which are careless facts indicative of a certain type of hubris. Things ‘not adding up’ has lain Mrs. Badger and Borcina open to suspicion, which led to Matthew Badger hiring his own investigators. I know the gal-pack on this thread sometimes indulge in harsh language, but their speculation is, to me, poignant. I don’t think Borcina, in the longrun, will take the blame for anything he didn’t do. I think the story will change again. I felt horrible when this story broke, as did everyone. But as days went on and stories changed and santa came into the picture (next to a photo of the girls sitting on grandpa’s lap when he’s dressed as santa – yet they still believe in santa?!) Only one little girl was sleeping on the second floor. But one was found on the stairs with her grandma, and the other near her grandfather. Yet Borcina and Mrs. Badger were sleeping on the second floor too? Sadly, something is not right. I write that as a person who wishes Mrs. Badger no ill will, but can’t help feeling a similar indignation towards her actions that the gal-pack on this thread so succinctly – and sometimes naughtily – expresses.

                  1. sue says:

                    Exactly.

                  2. Francis Ford says:

                    great comment francine and i agree with you!

                  3. Whatever says:

                    Thanks for the rational comment, Francine. I agree with much of what you said. Certain things don’t add up to me either, and hopefully, the investigation will shed some light. Personally, I’m appalled that anyone, but especially a contractor, would be so careless in disposing of fireplace embers. I have a feeling that rather than to protect Santa, the embers were removed because the fireplace had no doors, which to me is a big no-no. I would never have a fire in a fireplace without a screen and glass doors. But in an older home, they may not have been present. As the homeowner and parent of three small children, Madonna Badger had the ultimate responsibility to ensure their safety, and I imagine she knows this and will have to live with horrendous guilt for the rest of her life.

                    However, Borcina is the one who apparently disposed of the embers carelessly, and he should have known better. Period. Perhaps he is also the one who physically removed the smoke detectors. It seems clear at this point that he is responsible for the fire and the deaths. I don’t believe it was intentional, but it was certainly negligent, and I hope he’s held accountable. But I don’t believe there is any punishment that could be worse for Madonna Badger than what she is already suffering and will always suffer. And some of the comments here go wayyyy beyond “naughty” – they’re nasty and cruel, and the “pack mentality” is abhorrent. I respect everyone’s right to his/her opinion, but I have nothing but contempt for those who are personally attacking this woman as a trollop and a skank and making lewd comments about her personal life.

                    Just my opinion, of course.

    2. Interloper says:

      Now this is the type of comment I can agree with! It is so hard to believe that any man, especially a man who is a contrator, could have done anything so senseless.

    3. Cherry says:

      That’s what I was thinking about the Santa thing. They could have mad up anything, like Santa is impervious to fire or whatever. In this article they are saying that it is all about the smoke detectors and fire extinguisher. I guess they don’t think that Borcina’s stupid move with the cinders is criminally negligent. I don’t get it.

  28. Marshall says:

    Maybe this was an insurance scam that went bad when the fire got out of control. An old house, supposedly being renovated by a guy who looks like a mobster. How did she meet this guy? He doesn’t seem to be the type a marketing executive would normally associate with. How long did they know each other? Did she meet him before she hired him? Did either have financial problems? Looks like the police are investigating a crime based on carelessness when it could be something else.

    1. Interloper says:

      Instead of asking so many stupid questions, why don’t you seek the answers before you jump to any conclusions?

      1. Francis Ford says:

        most people need to ask questions before they can formulate answers

    2. NYC10009 says:

      The news reported that Borcina’s workers said he was going around telling them that Madonna Badger was rich and they should take advantage of her. This was when he was dating another woman less than one year ago. Borcina also has a history of being a freeloader who shacks-up at clients homes – see the earlier news accounts for former clients with bad experiences with this man. So somehow this dubious character wormed his way into her life and bed – and she gave him ultimate power over the safety of her family.

      1. Denese says:

        I saw on hisfacebook page. which is now deleted, a picture of him all cozy with another woman dated august…so his relationship with Madonna was apparently a new one.

        1. NYC10009 says:

          I heard that from many people, too, although didn’t see that FB page. His relationship with her is very new, only a few months old, yet still she felt she knew this sociopath enough to bring him into her bed in front of her very young daughters before her divorce was finalized, and even gave him ultimate power over her family’s safety without overseeing his many horrific choices and oversights that led to the tragedy.

    3. Cherry says:

      Marshell –

      I read that she started dating him after he started with the renovations.

  29. Deborah Jeffries says:

    The country club socialite and The Godfather were probably in the middle of a drunken sloppy slam session when the fire broke out.

    1. Interloper says:

      You don’t condem others based on “probabilities”. Get the facts and stop making so many idiotic derogatory assumptions.

      1. NYC10009 says:

        Okay, Whatever/Interloper…. you’re not a “probable” idiot, you’re a CONFIRMED idiot! Feel better now?

        1. Interloper says:

          When you can achieve my gifted use of words (unlike your boring and senseless ramblings), you can then call me an idiot, thank you.

    2. Marcus S. says:

      Deborah Jeffries is the pinhead who claimed that Badger talked about being dissed by her grade school teacher during her eulogy. It’s pointless to hope that she can keep her facts straight.

  30. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Hi NYC! Matthew Badger will have plenty against her in the divorce proceedings, especially if she’s criminally charged. Unless they had a pre-nup, I can’t imagine any Judge would be sympathetic to her plight.

    1. Interloper says:

      “I can’t imagine…..” listen my dear, your imagination is sky high so you can undoubtedly imagine anything, using that twisted mind of yours.

  31. NYC10009 says:

    OMG! That separate bedrooms BS is obviously a mutually agreed upon lie they are now telling prosecutors for obvious reasons. Do they really think the police and investigators are that stupid to fall for it?? For one thing, Madonna’s divorce is not final, and she’s trying to protect the assets she shares with her husband. Sleeping with her sociopath BF in front of their daughters before the divorce is final is what the father would use in court against her. She also knows how horrific it was that she was sleeping with this sociopath in front of her extremely young daughters on a moral level. AND it makes them look less guilty if it appears they slept separately and were apart that night – but just the opposite is true.

    1. Francine says:

      Hi, 10009. The whole thing is nutty. Borcina had two girls (the twins?) from the second floor, but they ran back upstairs to the third floor. Where no one was? It’s making less sense every day. Given Mrs. Badger’s psychiatric hospital tale,which has not been verified, her subsequent PR assault, and the immediate “compassion” fund (for whom?) methinks a distraught mind worked quickly and made too many mistakes.The real key is Mrs. Badger sticking by Borcina, and Borcina at the funeral. (Poor Matthew Badger.) Why is that? Did Mrs. Badger accidently start the fire and promise to help Borcina if he took the blame? Is she a smoker? Why is Borcina’s atty the same fellow who represented the tutor in the Moxley murder case? Who could possibly have enough pull to have that house torn down in eighteen hours? What is going on here?! Amidst all this, I do believe the fire was an accident. I believe the lie began with who started it, and went out of control from there. I am relieved to learn that Matthew Badger is putting his energy into something positive amidst this hideous, unbearable sorrow. I hope his investigators are as passionate and inquiring as yourself and some of the commenters I see on here.

      1. Suzette says:

        Excellent questions!

      2. Interloper says:

        The only thing “nutty” here is your brain.

        1. Marcus S. says:

          Deborah Jeffries, NYC10009 and Crepes Suzette are clearly the same person, or else they attend the same bingo session in their old folks home. I’m actually enjoying her (or their) insanely funny and stupid banter.

          1. NYC10009 says:

            Seek help, Whatever/Interloper/Cherry/Marcus S., you’re clearly a very sick and lonely individual to be following us around all the time, even from thread to thread, with irrational and nonsensical comments.

            Now go back to sticking your small brain in the sand, like a good little sheep.

            1. Whatever says:

              For the record, I am not Cherry, Marcus or Interloper. But I guess YOUR tiny brain can’t conceive of the possibility that OTHERS BESIDES ME THINK YOU’RE NUCKING FUTS.

              1. Interloper says:

                Whatever–LMAO at your comment! I confirm here and now that I am NOT, have never been, and will never be Whatever, Cherry, Marcus or Whoever!

          2. Cherry says:

            Marcus S>

            I don’t like those two either, but don’t diss old people. Being old doesn’t make you mean and stupid.

      3. NYC10009 says:

        Great points. Although “accident” may not be created on a fully conscious level, they can be caused unconsciously by a string of bad choices that lead up to a tragic event, or just one deliberately bad move. That’s why Freud said “There are no accidents.”

      4. Denese says:

        My heart breaks for Matthew Badger…I couldnt believe that Borcina was not only at the funeral, but had his hands on Madonna. I think maybe at that point, Matthew was too overcome to care…but one of the stages of grief is anger, and I am sure he will feel that…i read that he hired a private investigator. I hope Borcina rots in jail. He sickens me.

        1. Interloper says:

          My heart breaks for both Matthew and Madonna. Whatever sins some cruel, callous and heartless souls here want to attribute to Madonna, she will have endless suffering for the rest of her life because of the tragic loss of her three beautiful daughters and parents. Do we really need to get into this “eye for an eye” and “tooth for a tooth” gut rot of tearing Madonna apart in the majority of these postings? I don’t think so! Yes, I hope that Borcina is held accountable for his pathetically stupid actions in this horrific tragedy that didn’t need to happen.

          1. Whatever says:

            I’m glad to see that someone else feels as I do. Some of the posts here and on the other threads have been incredibly sick and cruel. Madonna Badger will indeed suffer for the rest of her life, and certain losers here (and you know who you are) enjoy twisting the knife in the wound. It’s just disgusting.

        2. Cherry says:

          Denese –

          I was amazed at that too. I thought that either she wasn’t blaming him, or that she didn’t know the facts yet. She may not have known at that time. The article said she had just been released from a psychiatric hospital, so she was probably on medication, and not paying attention to the news.

    2. Francis Ford says:

      correction: sociopath with prior brain surgery

      1. Interloper says:

        Read what you write more carefully and you will readily conclude that it is you who is a sociopath who needs brain surgery.

        1. Francis Ford says:

          the brain surgery part came was a quote from the newspaper, the NY Post I believe. It came from someone who knew Borcina, early on in this still unfolding story. If you could read, and if you were not so busy being hostile and attacking everyone here, you would already know this.

    3. Interloper says:

      The only lies here are the ones you and your sick friends invent.

    4. Whatever says:

      I see you’re still at it…SS/DD. Your idiotic speculation about Madonna Badger’s personal life is creepy at best. I’ve known divorced/separated parents who sleep in separate bedrooms when their young children are present. But seriously, who cares whether they slept in separate bedrooms or not? How is it relevant to anything here?

      Furthermore, you ignorant fool, try educating yourself on divorce law. But for starters, dating/sleeping with someone while separated is not going to be an issue in divorce proceedings. In fact, the only time adultery (which this was not) becomes an issue at all is if marital assets were used on the adulterous relationship (i.e. you use your joint checking account with your husband to pay for a gift for your boyfriend).

      Got it now?

  32. Deborah Jeffries says:

    SHE COULD HAVE GRABBED THE KIDS AND HELPED HER PARENTS. APPARENTLY HER SEX LIFE HUMPING TONY SOPRANO THE HANDYMAN WAS PARAMOUNT.

    1. Suzette says:

      LOL He looks like he came out central casting for the Sopranos, doesn’t he?

      1. Interloper says:

        Show us your photo so that we can make aspersions about you based solely on your looks. LOL

        1. NYC10009 says:

          How about if we make an “aspersion” about your based on your sick, idiotic, and stalkerish behavior? It’s easy – You’re a lonely loser without a life who has nothing better to do than troll threads and stalk others with inane, nonsensical comments.

          1. NYC10009 says:

            Typo: should be “How about if we make an “aspersion about YOU…” And the above was for Whatever and his latest sock puppet incarnation, Interloper.

          2. Interloper says:

            Please proofread your garbage before you post it. How can I be lonely when I am surrounded by all of you lovely (NOT) ladies. What is your excuse for being here other than being a yenta who enjoys mindless gossip with similar yentas? For your information, this forum was not created solely for you ladies, but for all to express their opinions based on the facts of the situation which are public knowledge. I have no respect for the filth you ladies are uttering here without any firsthand knowledge.

            1. NYC10009 says:

              You’re a sick stalker.

    2. Interloper says:

      Oh dim wit–were you there the night of the fire so that you can preach from your pulpit as to what Madonna should or should not have done? People like you, who can hardly be called humane, are the dregs of the earth.

    3. Whatever says:

      You are one sick individual. Get a life.

  33. Deborah Jeffries says:

    CONFISCATE THEIR PASSPORTS!!

  34. Suzette says:

    I have lost count of the number of posters on site after site saying that if their houses were burning down, nothing would keep them from trying to save their children! For a long time Badger had her scaffolding moment, and there were witnesses, the firemen. Many people read the articles and concluded, She climbed the scaffolding to get to her children! Now we learn that her bedroom, where she claims she was sleeping that night, was located on the second floor of the house – within grabbing distance of one daughter and her parents!

    1. lauralee3 says:

      Honestly, I think that if they were up til 3:30am wrapping presents, boozing, hooking up, whatever…that when she was awakened by the fire less than two hours later, she was not only butt naked, but also completely disoriented. And who knows, maybe Borcina was yelling at her to get outside so that he could go get the kids. She probably rushed to get dressed and followed his orders because she thought that he knew what to do and/or could save the day.

      It would not surprise me to know (but of course none of us ever will) if he just stood there for a moment and let the fire intensify, THEN got out saying he ‘tried’ to get to them (or as early reports came out that he had one of the girls but she ran away). For all we know, he could’ve told anyone he encountered in the hallway to go upstairs and to get out on the scaffolding, just to ensure their death. I’m keep replaying a crazy CSI-type scene in my head.

      1. Francis Ford says:

        lauralee i agree with you at least for the first paragraph.
        your first paragraph is how i personally think it went down…..
        i also think they went to bed very drunk or high or both and definitely NOT in separate bedroom…and they still were pretty groggy when they woke up and not thinking straight…which is maybe why no one even thought to call 9-1-1 and why they thought of their own self preservation first ..

        1. Interloper says:

          “I personally think”….can your brain really think anything that speaks of the truth? Before you spout off your BIG mouth, get the hard cold facts and stop making the most outlandish assumptions, you moron. Please tell us all about what makes you such a perfect person that you can defame others with your spurious comments.

          1. lauralee3 says:

            In the same breath, you tell someone not to defame others…and then you call them a moron. May I suggest practicing what you preach?

        2. Interloper says:

          Francis Ford–Consider my fictitious version of the story compared with yours.
          They went to bed sober or relatively so, were very tired from staying up so late and fell into a deep sleep. Is it really relevant as to the sleeping arrangements? I think not. The fire started on the first floor and quickly raged upward to a giant smoked filled infero at the rear of the house where some or all of the bedrooms were. Did you not see photos of the roaring infero–it was beyond belief to think that anyone survived? All of the occupants awakened in a panic, but the infero was so great that it limited their actions, how they could escape and who they could save. It would not be unreasonable to assume that Madonna couldn’t get through the intense smoke and flames to save her children directly, but elected to go out the window in hopes of finding another access to their rooms on the 3rd floor via the scaffolding outside. If she was attempting to save her children why would she plunge herself into an inferno and risk dying immediately when she saw the possibility of escaping to the roof and getting to her children from the outside scaffolding? It would seem to be that she was in a bedroom that allowed the easiest escape route to the roof which apparently wasn’t necessarily the case for the occupants who perished. It might be at that point that the firefighters had arrived and had to restrain Madonna, who was in hysteria, and wanted to got up the scaffolding and into the 3rd floor to save her children. Even the firemen couldn’t get through the smoke and flames to save those who died in the fire–why then did you expect Madonna to save her children? It might have been a matter of exactly where all occupants of the house were sleeping at the time and the stage of the fire and smoke in each location which determined what could or could not be done to save anyone. Maybe Madonna was lucky to be at the right place at the right time to be saved. However, she was not lucky as her loss is unbearable. Are you so brain dead that you could not consider my probable version of the story to be as good, if not better, than yours? At least I didn’t embellish my story with sexual overtones like some of the sick postings here.

          1. Francis Ford says:

            Interloper I am really quite fine with your version here. We all have our versions! So why are you so hostile? I never embellished any of my posts with sexual overtones like you are saying. Do your homework!

      2. Suzette says:

        Hi, Lauralee. Five of them were sleeping on the second floor that night. Badger, Borcina, one of the daughters and the grandparents. Why didn’t everyone on the second floor get out? Believe me, rooms in Victorian homes are not far apart from each other. Why didn’t Badger run to their bedroom, or lead them to safety with shouts, or something? It makes no sense. She could have left this to Borcina, as you said, but she would have to be one cold cookie to abandon her family at such a moment.

        1. Francis Ford says:

          OMG. With these latest details this story, which was already a horror show to begin with, becomes even darker. May the vicitims RIP.

          1. Interloper says:

            The only real “horror show” here is the fabricated storyline that you sick ladies have invented, in the hopes that it will ultimately be borne out by the real facts. Your delight and glee in embellishing this story in a very tawdry way is readily evident.

        2. lauralee3 says:

          Because maybe, in her mind, she wasn’t abandoning them. Perhaps Borcina told her to get outside to access the kids ‘safely’ from the scaffolding while he ‘bravely’ stayed in the burning house to rescue them.

          As for them all being on the second floor, I’m thinking that maybe those bedrooms were directly over the mudroom and subject to more heat/smoke/flames.

          1. Suzette says:

            She barely knew Borcina. He was the new man in a relationship that was only three months old, tops. A mother’s instinct to not abandon her young in a moment of terrifying danger surely would have superceded whatever screwball trust she felt for him, had she been normal. Mother love is the most powerful force in the universe.

            Somehow, given what we know of his cowardly past, I doubt he was telling her that he wanted to remain in that inferno to save her family.

            1. lauralee3 says:

              She knew him well enough to be sleeping with him in front of her daughters and parents on Christmas Eve, And I completely agree with the ‘mother love’ thing (I would die for my kids). I think that maybe her instinct was to defer to the man in this situation, because if it was me, I would do whatever my husband told me at that moment. Borcina is a manly man…AND her contractor, I would think she wouldn’t necessarily be in charge of her faculties in the chaos of the moment. By the time her brain kicked in, she was outside frantically trying to get back in.

              1. Suzette says:

                Her shack up relationship with mooch Borcina was not like a married woman’s relationship with her husband. Another thing, he wasn’t those girls’ father, or even stepfather. Badger’s parents were not his in-laws. He had no vested interest in saving any of them.

                1. lauralee3 says:

                  I COMPLETELY agree about the lack of vested interest…maybe that’s why he either chased them upstairs or they ran there because the heat seemed less intense there (they wouldn’t be the first people to run upstairs to escape flames (Towering Inferno, anyone?). And in that moment, she certainly didn’t see him as a mooch, but rather as an alpha male, which is most likely what she liked about him, because brains don’t seem to be a factor here. One would assume that a manly man and her contractor – who knew every inch of her house would know what to do in the HEAT of the moment. Remember, these were split second decisions.

                  1. lauralee3 says:

                    The only one to have any sense was the grandfather who stacked those books and his granddaughter by the window in an attempt to get out. That he didn’t try to get to the first floor says a lot about the intensity of the fire. I remember reading that although he died of blunt head and neck trauma from the fall, his feet were badly burned. God, it’s all so sad.

                    1. Suzette says:

                      lauralee, I hadn’t read about his feet being badly burned. Poor, poor man.

                      Well, any way the wheel turns, it always rolls back to her and that series of stunningly dumb, or premeditated, choices she made, which culminated in a deadly inferno on Christmas morning..

                  2. NYC10009 says:

                    But now Borcina is saying that’s not what happened at all, and he didn’t try to save the girls. He changed his story to he fled the house, tried to get back into to be a big life-saving hero, but the firemen wouldn’t let him.

                    Don’t know why he’d change his story from a suspicious one to begin with to an even worse alibi.

                  3. Whatever says:

                    “And in that moment, she certainly didn’t see him as a mooch, but rather as an alpha male, which is most likely what she liked about him, because brains don’t seem to be a factor here.”

                    You’re right about that – brains are definitely not a factor in your mindless postings.

              2. Interloper says:

                When is your brain going “kick in” so that you start making some rational sense instead of prefacing every sentence with “i think”. I don’t think you are cable of thinking in any kind of normal manner.

        3. NYC10009 says:

          And the second floor that was strictly OFF LIMITS and deemed unsafe because Madonna didn’t have a Certificate of Occupancy. It was illegal for her to allow her family to spend even one night there!

      3. NYC10009 says:

        Good point about Madonna getting dressed rather than rushing to save her children and parents. All those precious seconds that should have gone to saving lives went to her vanity instead.

      4. Interloper says:

        lauralee3–I doubt that you have said one “honest” thing in any of your postings. You can write as many versions of this story as you can dream up, but it is unlikely that they are based on the real facts of the situation that any of us have been privy to. Keep in mind, my dear, that you were not there as a witness on the night of the fire, so stop fantasizing. It is not surprising that you can relate so well to a TV program like CSI with all of its violence and mayhem– it seems to go hand in hand with your pathological state and your craving to paint “crazy scenes” relating to this tragic event.

        1. lauralee3 says:

          Interloper – like YOU have not imagined what happened that night? We ALL have, that’s why we’re posting our opinions here.

          I am completely ‘honest’ in my postings (no time for other bs) because that’s how I roll. I use my real name, not some dopey pseudonym. If you don’t like my opinions that’s YOUR problem. I have not responded negatively to even one poster here because everyone is entitled to their opinions, plausible or not.

          If you don’t like what people have to say, then move on to a new arena.

      5. Whatever says:

        You got the part about replaying crazy right.

    2. NYC10009 says:

      So bizarre and disturbing! And Fox News is reporting that Borcina changed his story and is claiming he was also sleeping on the second floor, but in a separate bedroom from Madonna.

      Riiiiiiiiight.

    3. NYC10009 says:

      Suzette……..probably within grabbing distance of her cell phone, too, that should have been used to dial 911.

      1. Suzette says:

        Exactly, NYC. That neither called 911 is one of the most damning facts of all.

  35. Linda says:

    The question for me is, “Why was the house torn down so fast and who ordered it demolished ? I don’t think the Fire Marshals even had a chance to investigate the ruins first.

    1. Francis Ford says:

      because someone had the keys to the bulldozer and it was full of gas

      1. Interloper says:

        You are surely a brainiac to have come up with that idea as preposterous as it might be.

        1. Francis Ford says:

          omg, have u never heard of innuendo?

    2. Cherry says:

      Linda –
      I know. That was strange.

  36. THE INSPECTOR says:

    MICHAEL BORCINA WILL PROBABLY TAKE THE COWARDS WAY OUT AND COMMIT SUICIDE AND MADONNA WILL PROBABLY BE IN THE MADHOUSE FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE

    1. Francis Ford says:

      i doubt the first one very much but thats just me. i think he’s used to the heat.

      1. Francis Ford says:

        and he’s all about self preservation

    2. Interloper says:

      ….and you “will probably” continue to make idiotic “shooting from the hip” comments like this which is very telling of your low level of intelligence.

      1. Francis Ford says:

        sorry interloper i have a doctorate. i am hardly shooting from the hip, and you are projecting.. please do your homework, and come back when you are well read. thank you in advance.

  37. Mr Always Rite says:

    She may have had separate bedroom’s for her and her BF as her old parents
    were staying there, especially Santa Claus?
    Anyway putting hot fireplace ashes on a wooden floor is a bit negligent
    as well as having no C.of O and no fire alarms. I think the wine was flowing
    and sorry for the kids that they could not have a better Mom.

    1. Suzette says:

      I don’t know if this true, or not, but I did read a comment on another site by someone who grew up with Badger. She shared a few memories of that time and said Badger’s parents were open-minded about certain things.

      1. Interloper says:

        My dear you don’t know if anything that you or your co-conspirators here write about has a hint of truth…your comments are inventions of your warped mind.

    2. Interloper says:

      “I think”…what are you thinking with?

    3. Interloper says:

      You are only half right, but we will give you the benefit of the doubt, which is more than I can say for most of the other posters here!

  38. Francis Ford says:

    More from Matthew’s page:
    and now a Lily Sarah Grace Fund!
    http://www.lilysarahgracefund.org/
    Pass it on!

    1. Interloper says:

      Yes, instead of spending your worthless time and words here, why don’t you visit this lovely website and also get out your big fact checkbooks and make a donation in memory of the three beautiful girls lost in the fire.

    2. Interloper says:

      Yes, instead of spending your worthless time and words here, why don’t you visit this lovely website and also get out your big fact checkbooks and make a donation in memory of the three beautiful girls lost in the fire.

  39. Francis Ford says:

    Hurrah! We finally hear from Matthew! “The girls’ father, Matthew Badger, is trying to build a foundation in their memory. On Friday he wrote on his Facebook page, “I keep telling myself I am still being their by insisting that they put a mark in this world.” http://www.facebook.com/groups/friendswholovematt/
    Pass it on!

  40. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Suzette, thanks for the info. How long have I been saying Borcina’s story couldn’t be true and she saved herself and after the fact tried to get back in. Now maybe some of these sappy supporter will see that BOTH of them are cowards.

    1. Suzette says:

      You’re welcome, Deborah. I suspect the scene on the scaffolding was a performance, rather than an attempt on her part to get back in. After all, she probably could have rescued her parents, along with at least one of her children, while she was still in the house, on the same floor with them. According to the report, this was the same floor where thug man claimed he had his “separate bedroom.” He was sleeping with her, obviously, but the point is, by saying that, he placed himself within feet of one of the girls and the grandparents. Plus, Badger. All five of them on the second floor, within a few feet of each other, yet only Badger and Brocina get out alive? Doesn’t add up.

      1. NYC10009 says:

        I agree it doesn’t add up. That’s what happens when criminals keep lying, they end up giving themselves away and can’t keep their stories straight. I also agree that the scaffolding bit was a total performance.

  41. Deborah Jeffries says:

    The Inspector, your comments are CLASSIC! We think alike and from one smartass to another, CHEERS FOR TELLIN’ IT LIKE IT IS.

    1. Interloper says:

      It is only natural that you “think alike” (isn’t that why you have all joned together as one harmonious group to bash some of those people who are suffering from his tragedy)? After all, isn’t that the purpose of a “smartass” in life? It is obvious that you are proud of and delight in being a “smartass”.

      P.S. You ain’t “tellin’ it like it is” because your twisted version of this tragedy is not supported by the facts that have been released to the public so far.

  42. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Separate bedrooms? This slam piece socialite and her John Gotti School of Business grad thug loser dirtbag will put out any rubbish because they know a trip to the big house is coming.

    1. Francis Ford says:

      u have such a uniquely subtle way with words deborah
      LMAO

      1. Interloper says:

        Believe me–there is nothing subtle about the words that deborah uses. She is quite direct and to the point, although her comments are pointless.

        1. NYC10009 says:

          “Pointless”? Hardly. Deborah’s comments are brilliant, insightful, funny, and always spot-on. In fact, the police are now saying many of the same things that Deborah predicted weeks ago.

          So Whatever/Interloper……why don’t you go back to sticking your small head in the sand, like a good little sheeple.

          1. Interloper says:

            Well I didn’t realize comments about a tragedy would be “funny” unless I was a real sicko let you and your ilk. I am here as a couter point to refute the slanderous
            comments being made. Before you make accusations or accuse someone of something, make sure you have the real facts at hand. You ladies are nothing more than vicious gossip mongers.

          2. Whatever says:

            Deborah’s comments are so “brilliant” that she didn’t even know the meaning of slander. LOL

        2. Francis Ford says:

          Interloper,
          duh…
          i really needed your health with “comprehension. can i borrow your grammar book please?

          1. Francis Ford says:

            typo: help not health

  43. Suzette says:

    Glorious news! I told you all that I would join you again, but I didn’t expect it to be this soon!

    I had to smile reading your post, Inspector. The Prosecutor may agree that those two are guilty of “Assholism” in the 1st degree, as well as negligent homicide or even manslaughter.

    From the above report:

    “Sources told Young (the reporter) it’s all about smoke detectors and fire extinguishers that may have been taken out of the home, which was under renovation. They may have been stored back in that garage prior to the fatal blaze: an act that legally could be construed as criminally negligent homicide or even manslaughter.”

    And this:

    “… the actions of Madonna Badger, the woman who lost her children and parents in the blaze, are also under scrutiny.”

    1. NYC10009 says:

      “… the actions of Madonna Badger, the woman who lost her children and parents in the blaze, are also under scrutiny.”

      Finally.

      1. Interloper says:

        You too should be under close scrutiny for your outrageous comments.

    2. NYC10009 says:

      And explains why she suddenly decided to take a little detour to Kentucky!

      1. Suzette says:

        Yep, you called it yesterday!

        1. Suzette says:

          The above was to NYC. Don’t know how it got down here. LOL

        2. NYC10009 says:

          If my family was wiped-out in a fire in MY house, I certainly would make it a point to stick around and help the police and detectives with the case. I definitely wouldn’t flee to another state, as Badger did. This reminds me of when children go mission and the guilty parents refuse to cooperate with questioning. Later they are found to have committed the crime. Innocent people are always willing to help the police. It’s astonishing to me that Madonna Badger wouldn’t be willing to work with them on this – and instead went into hiding. Every step both before and after the fire shows horrific judgement and parenting on her part.

          1. Whatever says:

            “If my family was wiped-out in a fire in MY house, I certainly would make it a point to stick around and help the police and detectives with the case. I definitely wouldn’t flee to another state, as Badger did.”

            Sigh…Madonna Badger grew up in Kentucky, and it should be no surprise to anyone with a brain (which excludes you) that she’d go there. It’s also no secret that she’s there, so categorizing it as fleeing to another state is inaccurate.

            What’s “astonishing” to me is your complete lack of logic and rational thought, as well as your weird zeal to jump on the bandwagon with your village idiot buddies to bash this woman over and over.

    3. Interloper says:

      The only real “glorious news” would be if you and the likes of you were banished from this website for the unsupported garbage that spews from your mouth. I hope “the Prosecutor” sues you for slander and libel.

      1. NYC10009 says:

        Oh hi there, Whatever/Cherry. You’re still stalking women under a new name, sad and pathetic.

        Suggestion: It’s obvious you’re extremely lonely and without a life, since you spend all your life stalking women online, so try taking your head out of the sand and get out of the house more.

        1. NYC10009 says:

          Should be “all your time stalking women online.”

  44. Francis Ford says:

    theres more at a newer fox link
    http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/connecticut-prosecutors-weigh-charges-in-stamford-fire-20120127
    it says charges could come as early as monday or the police might be asked to continue invesitgating

  45. lauralee3 says:

    “Both Madonna Badger and Borcina have hired attorneys, although it remains unclear if either of them will really need one.”

    Yah right.

  46. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Thanks for the link Francis. The police said they’re bringing workers back in for second interviews. No matter how you look at it, if police gave information to the Prosecutor, it doesn’t look good for either one.

    1. Francis Ford says:

      I have to say (and this is the first time I have said anything like this out loud) that after reading the FOX article today and thinking about this new “story” of the events of Christmas eve, my opinion of Madonna Badger just dropped. I simply don’t believe this new bit about their sleeping in “separate bedrooms” and feel this was indeed a publicity stunt attempt to make them look “better” in the eyes of the public. (Sorry Madonna and Michael. If I am wrong I am very sorry. This is my opinion only). But, I simply cant buy this! Separate bedrooms? M’kay.

      1. Interloper says:

        Yes, it would be best if you kept your big mouth shut and refrain from speaking out loud when you are only surmising what may or may not be the truth. This is nothing more than salacious gossip. Is this what gives you your kicks in life? To the Wall of Shame you go.

        1. Francis Ford says:

          why not send me directly to the ‘support madonna and family page facebook page’ where people get shamed for disagreeing? i would like that.

          1. Francis Ford says:

            and please buy me two seats to the Wall of Shame so I can take you with me, interloper.

    2. Francis Ford says:

      please explain deborah

  47. Francis Ford says:

    Hi Deborah,
    This is an interesting development.
    Other news today is still coming out. There is an article at Fox too about the night of the fire and how there is a new story. My mind can’t keep up anymore. The link is posted at the former CBS link. I hope there is some conclusion to this mess soon.

  48. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Who let you of your dog carrier? Guess it’s time for your morning pee! Woof, woof.

  49. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Hey where’s our girl tribe Suzette, NYC, Francis and lauralee? Oops better not call us the girl tribe, Madonna Badger probably has a trademarl on that name being the savvy PR magnate she is lol.

    1. Whatever says:

      They’re probably in their padded cells – who let you out of yours?

    2. lauralee3 says:

      In my heart this is just a tragis accident, but in my mind, there are just too many not-quite-right things about this whole story. And with stories changing, it just confirms my thoughts. I think the ‘separate bedrooms’ thing is the beginning of the end…one of the two survivors is gonna crack.

      1. Francis Ford says:

        lauralee our minds /hearts work alike.
        i feel like the separate bedrroms thing is the last straw!

        1. Suzette says:

          Would that be the one that broke the camel’s back, thereby erasing any doubts that those two have been lying their heads off from day one? I thought so! Separate bedrooms. Only a moron would believe that. I read that article last night. It appeared that no humans were on the other thread at the time, so I didn’t bother to post the link. Among other revelations, it said that Borcina has changed his story about trying to save two of the girls. Now, he is admitting it never happened. This is another carpenter nail in his coffin. And what about her? The report said her bedroom was not on the fiirst floor of the house. It was on the second floor, the same floor where the grandfather was sleeping with his wife and one of the girls (who had asked to sleep with them that doomed night). I know those old Victorian homes well. They are tall but not very deep. Which means her parents and one of her children had to be sleeping just a few steps from her sorry head. But, what did she do? Instead of running to them, she ran out of the house! Later, she climbed that scaffolding. How much later? Well, we know that neither she or thug man called 911. Weirdly enough, it was the neighbors who called 911, and not until they saw flames shooting out of the house. No telling how long the fire had been raging at that point. Then it probably took the fire trucks a minimum of 10 minutes to arrive. Her dramatic scene on the scaffolding was a case of too little, too late. Those children and grandparents were dead at that point. Guilty, guilty, guilty.

          1. NYC10009 says:

            Hi Suzette. Incredible, right? And Borcina changing his story, as if the investigators aren’t going to become even MORE suspicious. These two are digging a deeper hole for themselves.

            1. Suzette says:

              Exactly. Changing stories is a big red flag to nvestigators.

        2. Interloper says:

          Yes, you are both mindless and heartless.

      2. Interloper says:

        You don’t have a heart based on your senseless ramblings. You are already have a “cracked up” brain.

    3. NYC10009 says:

      Hi Deborah. I was fighting the trolls on the other thread lol. CBS just reported this story on the 11:00 news, and figured there must be a new thread where you guys might be.

      1. Suzette says:

        I figured you were dispatcing trolls over there. Glad you found us, NYC.

        1. Suzette says:

          That should have been “dispatching.”

          1. Interloper says:

            Oh yes, get right on “troll control” and banish those who speak the truth and have a heart.

            1. lauralee3 says:

              We are neither heartless nor mindless, but rather….realists!

  50. Deborah Jeffries says:

    THIS IS WONDERFUL NEWS!

    1. Francis Ford says:

      I agree

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