Salt-Water Concoction Costs Just 7 Cents A Gallon

BERGENFIELD, N.J. (CBS 2) — Bergen County’s 230 plows and salting vehicles are at the ready for Wednesday’s snowfall, especially with their newest weapon for melting snow quickly — a briny mixture of salt and water that resembles pickle juice.

“We actually pre-spray the properties, the sidewalks, the parking lots as a preventative before the snow is uncontrollable,” Bergen County Public Works Director Joe Crifasi told CBS 2’s Magee Hickey.

The brine costs just 7 cents a gallon compared to $63 a ton for salt. Bergen County has already used up $3 million of its $4 million snow budget.

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“We’re still not in the red. We’re in the black, but if we get a winter that continues like this, it’ll be very tough,” Bergen County Executive Director Kathe Donovan said.

In contrast, New Jersey has already blown through its $20 million storm clean-up budget after the post-Christmas storm dumped more than 30 inches in parts of the state.

New York City set aside $38 million this year for snow removal, but the Bloomberg administration said it has already spent more than that digging out after the Dec. 26 blizzard.

And even though it wasn’t a big storm Tuesday morning, many in New York City said they were surprised by how much snow we got – and how much is probably in our future.

“No I’d rather be here than in California with earthquakes, but I wish it would stop,” said Lisa Frazier of Harlem.

“As long as Mother Nature says, we’ll be out here. And we’re only halfway through winter,” maintenance worker Rafael Garcia added.

Comments (221)
  1. Steve in StL says:

    What’s the big deal?
    We’ve been using the brine mixture for years in the midwest.

  2. blondie says:

    Our community in CT stopped using sand mixed with salt a while ago and now uses salt mixed with sugar – works great, and is much less damaging to the environment. CT has also been spraying the brine for a couple of years now, and it works a whole lot better than sand & salt. Of course, anybody who really wants to know how to deal with snow should just talk to the people who live in Vermont, New Hampshire & Maine. They think the rest of New England & NY/NJ are a bunch of crybaby wusses!

  3. BogyoCanterbury says:

    Saying that the juice costs 7 cents a gallon compared to $63 a ton is absolutely useless information. How can a reader make any meaningful comparison without knowing how much use you get out of a ton of salt versus a gallon of juice? Bad writing, bad editing, pointless quotes at the end. Makes me sad.

    1. Tom says:

      Good thoughts on the article, Bogyo. We should all have your critical eye . . . and then demand more of journalism and the “standards” it seems to live by these days.

      1. nik says:

        tom is an still an a$$

    2. R. Lee Ermy says:

      You know what makes me sad?? YOU DO.. Maybe we can wander over to Namby Pamby land where you could get yourself some self confidence. CRY BABY

      1. dkm says:

        You forgot the jackwagon part.

      2. Ghengis says:

        I love that comercial… except I guess you can’t say ‘find a pair ‘ on TV.

    3. BogyoCanterbury says:

      Sorry about the cranky tone of my last two sentences.

    4. Puppy says:

      Well, back in the day, people could do simple math and everyone knew these simple conversions.

      1 US Gallon of water = approx 8.35 lbs
      (1 Imperial Gallon of water = 10 lbs)


      2000 lbs in a short ton.

      So, certainly, the brine is going to cost less than $20 per ton. Probably around $14-$16 or so.

      1. WorBlux says:

        “So, certainly, the brine is going to cost less than $20 per ton. Probably around $14-$16 or so.”

        But a ton of brine doesn’t contain a ton of salt. What you need to know is how much salt is in the brine and how much is applied in typical usage.

        Creating brine from salt really doesn’t cost much, Just water the water rates are. The real question is, how much less salt will you have to buy in order to get the same effects with brine, and how much the equipment conversion will cost.

    5. Alloyguy says:

      Its CBS…what do you expect?

    6. dkoby says:

      Figure it out. Water weighs about 8 pounds per gallon. Are you really that helpless!! Did you go to school??

    7. Tim says:

      Can I just say, you people that trying to use weight conversions are imbeciles… 1ton of salt != 1ton of brine. It depends on their effectiveness. 1ton of salt may be effective over a 200sqft patch of road while 1ton of brine may be able to cover 4000sqft (both made up numbers). The actual weight/amount ratio doesn’t matter at all it should be compared in the square foot.

      Also, I don’t know what elementary school you went to but it’s common sense that if you take a gallon of water and add 1lb of salt, the gallon of water is no longer going to weigh 8.34 gallons (because now the salt weight will be added to whatever amount of water doesn’t get displaced)


      1. Dave S says:

        Thank you, Tim, for saying exactly what I was thinking as I read these imbecilic comments.

  4. Wooly says:

    I live in New Orleans. What is snow?

    1. Uncle Ho says:

      Too funny!

    2. Spyder says:

      i live in michigan, what is living below sea level and being surprised when a flood happens…….

      1. Toasty says:

        I live in Arizona, what are natural disasters?

    3. Tim says:

      I live in PA. I hate you all. haha

    4. blondie says:

      betcha don’t know what a basement or indoor bathroom is, either…

  5. Cali Kid says:

    Did anyone notice ? No where does it say they use pickle juice !
    Quote ” a briny mixture of salt and water that resembles pickle juice.”
    I hate misleading headlines and poorly written stories.
    All to common these days…………..

    1. Dave says:

      Yeah, I’m not sure why they insist on stupid headlines like this.. Like someone else said, I’m not even sure how this is news…

      Hey CBS, there’s a big difference between pickle juice and brine salt water solution seeing as pickle juice (at least dill) contains vinegar, dill, garlic, onion, salt, water etc…

      1. ben says:

        “resembles pickle juice.” guess you just read the headline

      2. Dave says:


        My point is it doesn’t even resemble pickle juice… It’s salt water…

      3. dkm says:

        This stuff probably contains acetic acid as well (aka, vinegar), which is a well known deicer and building block for more expensive potassium acetate products that are currently used to deice airport runways.

    2. Dave says:

      DKM, you can’t just assume that it contains vinegar to make yourself correct. The article clearly states that it is a “Salt/Water” solution. The article says NOTHING about vinegar…

  6. Kensington Kenny says:


  7. bob says:

    in north carolina we have been spraying this stuff for years—-

  8. John says:

    See what happens when government gets out of the way? People get innovative, creative, and figure out ways to do things better. This shouldn’t be looked at as “those poor people are using pickle juice”, but as “wow, someone out there is pretty smart.” Imagine the market for a cheap liquid based, odorless snow removal method. C’mon america. Don’t rely on the gov for everything. Do some of this stuff yourself.

    1. Kevin Lyda says:

      Um, this is the gov’t doing this.

  9. John says:

    I’ll take Earthquakes any day over tons of snow, slush and muck.
    We’ve not had a major quake in years that has caused damage. Even when there is a big quake, if you don’t live close to the epicenter, all you get is an E ticket ride.
    How many of you know what an E ticket is?

    1. Brian says:

      I know what an E ticket is! Thanks Walt!!

  10. John says:

    I use to work next to a pickle factory and that brine stinks. Well I guess that’s okay, it IS New Jersy!!

  11. Barney says:

    Ah but then you have to purchase all new equipment to spread the brine. Add that to the cost.

    1. JAndrews says:

      Been using Brine for several years now in Raleigh, NC. The brine dries into the pores/grains of the pavement and stays in the traffic lanes. Rock salt does get scattered into the gutters, where it just is no help and eventually gets washed into our streams (fresh water streams!)

      1. josh says:

        you do realize brine is just salt water. so whenever it rains on brine, the salt dissolves only to runoff into those precious streams anyway. the only thing brine does better is evenly spread the NaCl out on the roads. …. but its still just salt.

  12. Zufechten says:

    If you put salt down after it snows, a lot if it is diluted just melting enough snow to get to the surface.

    Putting brine or wetted salt down before or early in the storm keeps the ice and snow from sticking to the pavement, allowing easier removal with a snowplow or shovel. This reduces the total amount of salt needed.

    It has to be brine or wetted salt because dry salt will just scatter into the gutters if it is spread on a dry road.

    I just hope it doesn’t SMELL like pickle juice.

    1. Russ1449 says:

      What’s wrong with pickle juice?

  13. Robert says:

    “The brine costs just 7 cents a gallon compared to $63 a ton for salt.”

    What the heck kind of comparison is that?

    1. Joe B says:

      LOL, I feel out of my chair when I read that!!! Pitiful reporting!!!

      1. Brendan says:

        1 Gallon weighs roughly 8.345 lbs. 1 U.S. ton = 2,000 lbs. 2,000 / 8.345 = 239.664 x $0.07 = $16.78 per ton of pickel juice. 63 – 16.78 = A savings of roughly $46.22 per ton. I thought it was wacky too, so I looked it up.

    2. Some Dude says:

      LOL I was thinking the same thing… like asking, “what’s the difference between a duck?”

      So, CBS, are you implying that a gallon of brine is the equivalent of a ton of salt? do JOURNALISM people!

    3. Justin says:

      The kind of comparison a poorly paid journalist who became a poorly paid journalist because he failed math class makes.

    4. Dave says:

      I was thinking the same thing… Can’t say I’d expect much more though…

    5. Bear says:

      ½ cup of table salt per gallon of water = brine solution
      1 cup of salt = 0.60 pounds
      2000 pounds of salt / 0.30 = 6666.66 gallons of brine
      $63 per ton of salt / 6666.66 gallons of brine = $0.0094 per gallon
      Buying brine at $0.07 means that someone is making $0.0606 per gallon sold.
      Typical yankee economics…

      1. Nathan says:

        My thoughts exactly… though I would call it “typical government bureaucratic spending of tax dollars”.

      2. Reno says:

        I’m not sure at all what your comment means. It’s not very clear or well thought out…

        Where do you get the number 0.30 to divide 2000 pounds by? I’m sorry if that’s a stupid question but I can’t seem to find an answer anywhere..

        Second, you’re not using 2000 pounds of salt… You’re using water+salt weights combined and since we’re not sure of the ratio used to mix, we can’t really estimate how much of each will be used.

        Lastly, 1ton of brine solution is not equal to 1ton of salt. 1 ton of salt may cover a 1500sqft(made up number) while 1 ton of brine solution may cover 150000sqft based on how much is sprayed out… So, in the end you can’t just say “OH how much does water weigh? This is easy!” because really we should be converting both to square feet and comparing them as the weight really doesn’t matter, it’s the amount of ground that is covered that matters….

      3. Reno says:

        My comment was aimed at “Bear” by the way.

    6. John says:

      Totally agree.

    7. c Falugo says:

      I totally agree! A TON sounds like it a LOT MORE than a gallon!

  14. In Canada Where We Use Brine all the Time says:

    Using brine on snow and ice is now a “news” story????

    This has been going on for a few decades in many places. It is not news. Maybe somebody should have used The Google before they decided to file this report.

    Drudge is actually spinning this as a dig at a Dem State. So even he fails in this regard.

    Hilarious, in other news, the Sun came up this morning.

    1. Beanz says:

      How is Drudge “spinning this as a dig at a Dem State”?

      Can you tell us how? Real facts, not the voices in your head.

  15. WeenHeen says:

    Wow that must be annoying to live with Snow!

  16. Linda MC says:

    Why do you people call each other names like “idiot?” Can’t you have an adult debate without name calling?

    1. Leroy Brown says:

      Linda, I am only 14 years old. I am not an adult. Thus, I call thems as I sees thems.

      1. Huge Juan says:

        Would that be “Bad, Bad LeRoy Brown, dumbest spook in the whole damn town?”

    2. Gomalio Fung says:

      No, you idiot!!

  17. Andrew Moore says:


    Curiously…there’s a whole fracking OCEAN full of FREE “briney” stuff just a bit to the east.

    You’re comment reminds of California and it’s water shortages. Curiously, there’s a whole fracking OCEAN full of FREE “”briney” stuff, just a bit to the west, that’s just waitng to be de-salinated.

    1. The Truth says:

      The problem is not the shortage of water, but a shortage of energy to desalinate the sea-water. It takes a TON on energy to do so. Now,… if only the democrats would allow building more nuclear power plants, we could make energy dirt cheap and make as much clean water as we want.

    2. GreenThinker says:

      You obviously have not thought at all about your comment. If an organization decided to pump up ocean water and use it as brine which it isn’t the fuel cast would be immense. In addition to that they would have to filter the water and clean it because there are laws against dumping un-sanitized water into public drains in every state. Think before you comment!

      On your second comment are you suggesting that California start using desalinization (sorry I know its a big word for you) for dealing with a water shortage. Oceans are not an acceptable source of drinking water go and try it and the process to create potable water from the ocean is incredible costly.

      1. DT says:

        Pumping water from the ocean into a truck is not costly. I don’t know what it would cost to filter ocean water sufficiently enough to spray on the streets, but if it could be done at a reasonable cost, salt could be added to that to achieve the salinity required to melt snow.

  18. warren says:

    We use it in Maine. It causes the snow on the road to become slush. Then the road crew waits to plow until there is 4″ of it. Makes for a slippery mess. Lots of loss of control wrecks. Plus your autos rot away at an incredible rate. NOT a good thing unless you you run an auto parts store or are an auto repair station.

    1. Jerry Lundegaard says:

      …..I’m sayin’, that TruCoat, you don’t get it and you get oxidization problems.

      1. Huge Juan says:

        Well, geez now, dammit. I didn’t ask you that. Yeah.

  19. Tom Davidson says:

    Somewhere there is a line where one must decide whether to resist the forces of nature or to adapt to them. For $4 million you could buy an awful lot of snow tires.

  20. PA says:

    Curiously…there’s a whole fracking OCEAN full of FREE “briney” stuff just a bit to the east.

  21. Mannie says:

    Saturated brine is about 25% salt. the cost of this works out to about the same, probably just a little more, as road salt, per ton. They buy the salt from the same place, after all.

    So this may work as a pre-treatment, but you’re not putting salt down any more economically, and you have added a whole other operation and equipment pool to the snow fighting business.

    1. Dave says:

      The cost does not work out to be anywhere close. 1 gallon is a little over 8 lbs, so there are just under 250 gallons in a ton. 250 gallons at 7 cents each is $12.50, nowhere near $63. The problem is you get what you pay for.

      1. Dave says:

        I meant $17.50, haha

      2. Dave C. says:

        But the brine is mostly water so a weight comparison isn’t valid. The question is how much brine does it take to treat the same area/amount of snow as a ton of salt?

        If Mannie’s number is correct (25% salt) and assuming it is the salt that does the work, one might say that it takes 4 times as much (4 tons) of brine to do the same work as 1 ton of salt. In that case the cost as per your numbers would be $80… more expensive than the salt. Which is reasonable since the water is adding a lot of weight and volume to the salt and thereby increasing transportation and delivery costs.

        Probably the real cost is somewhere in between… but without that crucial piece of data (how much brine is equivalent to 1 ton of salt) it is just speculation.

  22. DidNotVoteObama says:

    Oppressively high taxes, no right-to-carry-guns, a middle-class fleeing out of state, corrupt politics.
    The People’s Republic of New Jersey is swirling down the toilet….and good riddance.

    1. LoveNJ says:

      DidNotVoteObama, we have wonderful beaches, schools that likely put your state’s to shame, and are within commuting distance of two major cities (NYC and Philadelphia). Where are you from, tough guy?

      1. ugh says:

        you forgot Snookie. We got Snookie.

      2. Uncle Ho says:

        What schools are better then DidNotVoteObama’s schools? Newark is a major city why would you commute to NYC of Killadelphia for a major city? Oh yes the unions and taxation have driven many jobs out of NJ. In fact taxation and NJEA are driving residents out of the state. Shall we go into violent crime and gang wars in this wonderful state. This state has been controlled by democrats and unions that combination always leads to high crime and taxes. That’s a fact Jack.

  23. ben dover says:

    ummmm that one dude looked homeless …I DONT think thats pickle juice man!!

    1. dividedbyzero says:


  24. Grundoon says:

    In the Illinois State Museum in Springfield there is a multi-million dollar natural history exhibit, a part of which describes the 30 freeze-thaw cycles north America has gone through in the last 1.8 million year Holocene Ice Age. Yes, that’s 30 times we’ve been covered with hundreds of feet of glacier from the Mason-Dixon line to the North pole then thawed out from global warming now in our 31st warming period. Points being: 1. global warming is not new. and 2. In the previous 30 global warming cycles there were no people, SUVs, jet planes, power plants or flatulant cows that caused it so for those naive enough to believe that’s what’s causing it now, P.T. Barnum would love to be alive today to sell them a bridge. In reality, the earth’s orbital and axial dynamics change the sun’s radiance on the earth as much as 15%, which accounts for the global temperature changes. And there’s absolutely nothing we mere humans can do about that. In another 40,000 years the northern hemisphere will again be under 100 meters of ice for the 31st time.

    1. Linda MC says:

      You are absolutely right, most people don’t know this, like Al Gore!!! lol

  25. Pat says:

    I guess you could say the county is in a real pickle? So do they use dill pickle juice or sweet pickle juice?

    1. Gomalio Fung says:

      In the higher class neighborhoods (joking) I hear they use Summer’s Eve.

  26. No more celebrating ignorance says:

    Fools claiming this weather puts an end to the global warming debate should bother to get a little education. Global warming is a GLOBAL phenomenon and has little bearing on what is happening over your head at any moment. The FACTS are we had the warmest global temps last year. Period. And global warming will result in more snow during winter seasons. We’re still tilted away from the sun in winter, people. That is going to result in lower seasonal temps that freeze water. The reason we have more snow is not because it is colder; it is because there is more water in the atmosphere when it is cold outside–basic first grade science. The reason we have more moisture in the atmosphere is because thousands of miles from us, and all year long, it is warmer than it should be–or has been–this results in melting of icecaps, which results in an increase of water vapor. Okay, maybe that’s second grade science. The facts remain: it is getting warmer, and we’re going to have more snow. There’s no conflict here. And I have to agree with those who claim this is bad reporting. The figures are completely meaningless.

    1. Arthur Machado says:

      Yeah – if its warmer its global warming, if its cooler its global warming if it stays the same its global warming – you are an idiot

      1. Green on the outside, red on the inside says:

        And either way, we all know the right answer is we need to raise everyone’s taxes. The debate is over.

      2. Catherine Coy says:


    2. iceman says:

      The US in particular has a sizeable population of global warming sceptics. They believe that man-made global warming is fake and fabricated purely so that special interests can gain from it financially.
      Here is some of the common evidence employed by global warming sceptics:

      1) Statistics are misleading or contrary to global warming:
      Glaciers in Greenland and Antarctic ice have been shown in the last few years to be actually getting thicker, not thinner. All we ever hear about is the North Pole, but never about these other two important indicators of global warming.
      Statistics show that the error rate associated with taking temperature samples is greater than the claimed global temperature rise.
      NASA was once caught red-handed faking data about global warming. They simply took the temperature data for September and used this to give the official record of the temperature in October that year, and then claimed that October was the hottest year for decades.

      2) We are being lied to for personal gain:
      A few decades ago, back in the 70’s, the same governments and scientists tried to scare us with stories of the impending ice age, and now we are supposed to listen to similar false fears.
      Many companies made a lot of money from the ozone layer scam. This has also since proven to be false, but the media which gave us a big scare at the time has since remained silent.
      Everyone knows that big scares always mean big profits for government connected companies. For instance, GE owns NBC, which is brainwashing us with constant global warming stories. However, GE makes a huge profit from the sale of green products such as windmills and solar panels to governments.

      3) Natural factors are much more important than man-made factors in realising CO2 into the atmosphere:
      The ocean and volcanoes are much bigger sources of CO2 and other such greenhouse gases than humans. If the CO2 count is increasing, the influence of man is minimal.

      The global warming is fake movement is a healthy one it always pays to be sceptical about what scientists and governments tell you. However, on this one I believe that the global warming sceptics have been misguided, and by the forces that are much stronger than GE or any such alternative energy company. The sceptics themselves are subject to propaganda from the most powerful companies in the world: the oil companies, for whom the global warming debate is a matter of survival. These oil companies have extremely strong ties to the government and the press in the US, and for this reason the US is the home of the global warming sceptic.

      For more info on global warming go to:

      1. Clearhead says:

        Hey Iceman — You ae supposed to pour that pickle juice on the snow, not drink it. And by the way, what did you spike it with? Sounds kinda like SPEED to me.

      2. don says:

        carbon is heavier than air, therefore it cannot rise into the atmosphere, what’s more, without carbon plants will die and we will starve, as plant life inhales carbon, and exhales oxygen.

      3. Linda MC says:

        I know you are right, the government lies to us repeatedly. Just like the bad drugs that doctors give to us that do more harm than good. It’s about the FDA and the drug companies putting trillions of dollars into their pocket. It’s always about the money.

      4. The Truth says:

        Explain to me then why there are 3 other celestial bodies (1 planet and 2 moons) that are showing the same warming effects in the same scale as earth, and yet they are moving further from the sun in their current orbit. It must be our SUV’s affecting them as well.

        Or, maybe it’s the sun going through natural cycles.

    3. Goodgold says:

      You’re a riot! Thanks for the chuckle!

    4. Phil Simms says:

      “The reason we have more snow is not because it is colder; it is because there is more water in the atmosphere when it is cold outside–basic first grade science.”

      Is that what you are using to argue for anthropomorphic global warming, basic first grade science? Saturation vapor pressure is actually proportional to temperature. Warm air has a much higher saturation point than cold air. In other words, a greater distance between molecules means warm air is capable of holding considerably more moisture than cold air. Basic first grade science with a little cloud physics for good measure.

      1. Edward Sonner says:

        And the reason we have 20 degree temperatures in Florida???

      2. JGalt2.1 says:

        The reason there is more humidity in the atmosphere is because of La Nina not global warming. This phenom has been recorded since the 1500’s.


    5. Chuck says:

      I have a bridge for sale if you are interested

    6. Mark says:

      Yes, and if you don’t believe him, check the source of his information at the University of East Anglea, U.K.

    7. Bob says:

      No – not second grade science – it is third rate science. Junk science. Nice how you start, with the very engaging “Fools claiming this weather puts an end to the global warming debate should bother to get a little education” and end with the only truth in your output: “The figures are completely meaningless”.

      Please stop the shrill cries of your own denial – the IPCC report, the models and the AGW cronies have withered in the glare of close investigation.

    8. Darren says:

      At least you admit that you function on a “second grade science” level, but unfortunatley it’s not that simple. And, the headline that you’re regurgitating about last year’s “warmest global temps” is more distortion of the “facts” by the global warming fanatics. While global SURFACE temperature readings may have been the highest (or actually 2nd highest), the temperature in the upper atmosphere (that would be evidence of your beloved “global warming”) has actually still not increased since 1998, and has actually declined a bit. If you listen to the folks you would call “deniers”, the surface temperature readings are likely skewed by the location of temp stations in developed areas (heat-island effect) or of out right manipulation of the data (like the lovely pic of the weather station with the BBQ under the recording equpment). I know some of that is beyond the 2nd grade leve, but facts sometimes work that way. So, the fact is it’s NOT getting warmer in the upper atmosphere where actual greenhouse-effect warming from C02 that you all sceam about would be occurring. The surface warming that you’re quoting from the headlines is no more important to our long term “climate” than the seasonal weather that you’re discounting as due to the winter tilt of the earth (and you’ are correct on that part, by the way).

    9. beckster says:

      Come on AL, your days of blowing hot air up the world’s ass are over. Find another cause or go back to your energy wasting mansion in Tennessee. Or better yet fly all over the world in your private jet and help warm up the air that is making our winter bitterly cold. p.s. could you please loan me some money to help pay my $700 electric bill last month?

    10. Edward Sonner says:

      Yeah – if its warmer its global warming, if its cooler its global warming if it stays the same its global warming – you are an idiot

    11. JGalt2.1 says:

      I guess green house gases were responsible for Greenland being warm enough to grow wheat and corn in the Middle ages, hence the name GREENland.

      Take away the grant money and expence accounts of the Global Warmers and see how many continue to support faux science.

    12. Meteorman says:

      My goodness, I was told in the 70s that we were going to get more snow because it was getting colder and a new ice age would soon be upon us. Now you are telling me it is getting warmer and we will get more snow. Nonetheless 2010 was tied with 2005 as the warmest year since records were kept in 1880. I think you know that 130 years is less than a drop in the bucket when looking at global temperatures of the earth and projecting or predicting from such a small sample is perilous at best. The non data driven historical record drawn from literature, art, folk tales, and monestary records indicate that there were times when things were warmer than now in past human history and, or course, much colder too. Not to get carried away, but sea bed core samples suggest the earth was approx 1 degree centigrade warmer than now about 1000 yrs. ago.

    13. Barry Soetoro says:

      Help fight CONTINENTAL DRIFT!!!!

      1. Where's the birth certificate? says:

        Help fight high SOLAR ACTIVITY!!!

    14. Bill says:

      That’s great! Is it man made? The Earth has epoc history of warming and cooling. In fact the most respected climatologist in the world is forcasting a “mini ice age” startin within 50 years for the planet. The man made global warming theory is just that “a theory”, or a way for learning institutions to get more government/corporate funding by those who benefit. How much did Al make on his video?

    15. Live2Eng says:

      First, this is not first grade science and you are incorrect about the melting ice caps putting more moisture in the atmosphere. Humidity is a function of the AIR’s ability to hold that moisture, not how much is available (typically). On a global level, there is always more water available to evaporate than the air can accommodate. This is why we have oceans instead of low deserts. Second, if this were a question of more snow verses no precipitation, your argument could hold water, so to speak, but no one has said anything about this being a WETTER year or two, simply that there is more snow than normal. You can only get more snow instead of rain if it is cold enough to snow, which is why it rarely snows in the summer.

  27. Dumba Merican says:

    This is a very funny story. Laughed so hard I blew my bourbon out of my nose.

    It’s nice that CBS posts gag stories like this once and a while 🙂

  28. Stacey says:

    Did the author serious compare the cost of a gallon of brine to a TON of salt? I’m pretty sure a gallon of milk costs less than a ton of milk…

    Why not give a reasonable comparison based on the cost per acre treated or similar?

  29. mike daran says:

    7 cents a gallon versus $63 a ton.
    Great, now we just need to know how many gallons replaces a ton.

    1. MrLogical says:

      1 gallon is approx. 8#, so approx. 240g/ton. At $.07, that equates to approx. $17. That would suggest that the brine is approx. 1/4th the cost, but the unknown in this story is how much net coverage for each method, and the effectiveness of each method. Offhand, I’d say that the solid mixture would yield more coverage per sq. ft. than the liquid approach, but you would have to conduct testing to validate.

    2. Resistnow says:

      1 gallon = aprox 8 pounds. 2000 pounds = 1 ton. 2000 divided by 8 = 250 gallons. 7 cents a gallon = 17.50 per ton. The question is, how much does a ton of salt treat versus how much does 250 gallons treat? Without that info, it is just a math problem solving nothing.

      1. Pat says:

        Intereastingly, in German they spray a salt solution on the roads.

  30. moutainhiker says:

    You cant go to walmart for a brain ,they only sell things that were made in china

  31. Mary says:

    The advantage of the brine mix is that it can be applied the day before. However, with the first plowing, it is gone. I can’t imagine how much damage this does in the long run though, as the brine soaks into the roadway. Also, I wonder what the rate of pollution to the water is versus an application of salt. As for the stats cited by the reporter, they should realize, that government officials don’t always tell the truth!

  32. ivan yakoff says:

    they have used this solution for yrs in my area. works great. they alwaysput this down befor ethe snow comes.

  33. JMOKE says:

    But wait a second? I thought the planet was warming??? Where’s PIG FAT IDIOT algore? Where is idiot NASA? I mean if it was warming there wouldn’t be a problem right? Oh I forgot, global warming is really global cooling.

    1. PITANU says:

      you should go to walmart and get yourself a new brain.

      1. Adam Joad says:

        That’s where he got the one he’s using!

    2. SerfOfObama says:

      Global warming is a very real threat and once the planet is frozen solid to its core it will be too late to keep us from burning up…at least that’s the NEW explanation after a decade of cratering ocean and global temps forced the eco-terrorists to shovel boatloads of egg off their faces….

  34. James Woods says:

    If only bloomberg ran his empire like he’s running new york he wouldn’t be mayor.

  35. John Boston says:

    When I was a missionary in Russia back in the day, we used to use urine. It’s briny enough to get the job done, and basically free.

    1. Isis says:

      Yellow snow. I hate Yellow Snow.

    2. Clearhead says:

      And not only that, but you can practice writing your signature with it.

  36. Jeff G says:

    2000 lbs divided by 8.5 lbs per gallon times $.07 per gallon is less than $17.00 per ton of brine. 1 ton of brine will cover about 1/2 the road that a ton of salt will cover. $34.00 for the brine vs. $63.00 for the salt to treat the same amount of roadway. If the brine is applied BEFORE the snowfall, plow time AFTER the snowfall is reduced, so man hours are actually about the same for snow removal. Overall, costs are reduced by using the brine.

  37. Bruce says:

    You have to wonder how many of those millions of dollars could have been saved if they hadn’t been paid out as part of some obscene overtime payout negotiated by the civil service unions? Just raise you blade an inch higher, and you’ve doubled your time on the road and quadrupled your pay.

    Maybe instead of pickle juice, they should just change the pay to snow emergency rules that pay plowers for 8 hours regardless of how long they actually work. Then you would be amazed at how much plowing could be done in 8 hours.

    1. applepicker says:

      Very Lucid Idea Bruce!

    2. I am with u Bruce says:

      Another idea…….use the GPS systems they already have and hammer them with it. Although I am sure they cant fire them due to contract verbage.

  38. Fishkitt says:

    Perhaps this will appear cynical but in fact this is my actual belief regarding this matter. Less economical methods of snow removal are favorable to the people in the business of removing snow. Poor economic planning and very little “legitimate supervision” of the actual game plan being performed is the perfect formula for achieving two highly regarded goals in this deal. Relief money for the government to pay for more inventory and the big dog in the game. OVERTIME….. These formulas and discussion are great and interesting but?? Anyone agree?

  39. Isn’t Snooki from Poughkeepsie? Clearly her magnetic influence on Jersey culture is stronger than first expected….

  40. Matt Jilek says:

    A gallon is 128 oz divided by 16 oz = 8 pounds ( 8 pounds divided by 7 cents gives u 1.15 cents per pound) for the brine. 2000 divided by $63 is .03 per pound giving the city a “potential” cost savings of 1.80 cents a pound savings… ow the coverage of a gallon (8 pounds of brine) vs a pound of salt is much better. We use a similar wacky mixture in the midwest and it works very well. besides, come spring you will have pickled herring from the bay.. redstatereportdotcom

    1. Mel says:

      You can’t just convert liquid ounces, which is a volume measurement, to pounds, which is a measurement of weight.

  41. DT says:

    Brine at 7 cents = 1 gallon. 100 gallons costs $7. Multiply by 9 and 900 gallons costs $63.

    1 ton of salt = 2,000 pounds X 16 oz/lb. = 32,000 ounces. 1 cup of salt mixed with 1 gallon of water makes brine. 1 cup of salt weighs 10 ounces. 1 ton of salt = 3,200 cups. Therefore, 1 ton of salt costing $63 = 3,200 cups of salt to make 3,200 gallons of brine.

    1. up north says:

      use sand only , it polutes nothing and gives traction needed, snow and ice sliding on top of pick juice = slip sliding away. Plus its cheap.

      1. Nate says:

        We quit using sand a long time ago in Michigan because is clogs up the storm drains. Seems like a combination would make sense though.

    2. Toad says:

      You beat me to DT. I think the public works director may need to sit in on his kids third grade math class. Either that or commission a government study to determine the necessary atomic weight of street salt and its potential for dilution into a solution of hydrogen and oxygen. But not before they determine how many parts of hydrogen and oxygen are necessary to create a solution suitable to dilute said amount of street salt…..

  42. jerseyjoey says:

    I can see it now, when the thaw comes and the pickle juice runoff hits the sea, a line off fish singing(hold the pickles hold the lettuce special orders dont upset us) lol

  43. Grasshopper junction says:

    Relax theres nothing to worry about, GLOBAL WARMING will melt all of your snow; al Gore told me so!!!!!

  44. TJ says:

    An earthquake? Try living through a bad one first elda

  45. elda says:

    It is all going to go back into the ocean when it melts anyway.

  46. elda says:

    So why don’t they just suck up ocean water and then it is free! Just suck it into a water truck and spray it like they would water.

    1. Moishe Kahan says:

      good idea but need higher percentage of salt

  47. elda says:

    I’ll take an earthquake over all that show and other weather issues that blow roof and trees into your neighbors yard anyday. I just hope the next one causes SF and LA to slide into the Pacific ocean. Then we will be a conservative state again.

    1. Free salt says:

      Along these lines, take Gov. Island and flood it with salt water and come back in a year. Tadaaaa……… salt!!!

  48. Craig says:

    “So, $0.07/gallon vs. $63/ton”

    Excellent observation. Every number cited in news articles should be subjected to a calculator and common sense. Of course, as CowHand pointed out, this one fails on both counts.

    If the reporter had been truly interested, he’d have told us why using brine might be cost-effective.

  49. oneredleftshoe says:

    Thanks Cowhand I thought I was the only one that noticed.

  50. CowHand says:

    So, $0.07/gallon vs. $63/ton….Does anyone realize that this comparison is meaningless? How much does it cost to treat the same sized area? Idiots!

    1. TranpDorena says:

      Yeah this reporting is as bad as something you can read at Yahoo! news.


    2. your dad says:

      better for the water system big shot

      1. I'm confused. says:

        A brine solution consists of salt and water. So how exactly is a solution containing salt better (or worse, for that matter) than pure salt?

        CowHand is dead on….

        By definition, Brine = 50g/l of salt in solution. That is 0.11 pounds of salt. At 7 cents per gallon, that is 63 cents per pound. Multiplied by 2000 pounds (1 ton) and you get $1260. So again, how is this a better investment?

      2. robg says:

        There are approximately 250 gallons in a ton X 0.07 per gal = $17.50

    3. Moishe Kahan says:

      whats the max IQ allowance for government employees ?

      1. ivan yakoff says:

        somewher ebetween 9 and 37 kahan

      2. Larry King says:

        They don’t measure it — takes too much effort.

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