Armed With Box Cutters And At Least 1 Gun, 17-20-Year-Olds Causing Havoc

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — Police are searching for teenage thugs targeting subway riders.

There have been at least three armed attacks recently. CBS 2’s Dave Carlin has seen pictures of the suspects and knows what they’re after.

A team of baby-faced bandits, young enough to still be in high school, is making life quite stressful in Gotham’s underworld.

Police circulating surveillance camera stills of four teenagers, including one female, allegedly working subway stations together, sometimes with a fifth suspect who has not yet been caught on camera.

“They look pretty young and it’s sad because they have such a great life ahead of them and there’s so much more they can be doing,” said Gwen Everett of Bed-Stuy.

The armed robberies are up to at least three since August, with a total of 10 victims.

Police told Carlin the suspects rob other groups of young people of their iPods, jewelry and cash, each time during crowded evening rush hours.

“By the time you know what happened they’re gone,” said Dan Parilis of Bushwick.

“It would seem there would be at least one officer or undercover on platform if it’s this large,” Midwood, Brooklyn resident Lawrence Colodney said when asked if he was surprised the gang was able to strike so easily during rush hour.

The first incident happened Aug. 15 at around 5 p.m. Police said the suspects, armed with box cutters, robbed four victims inside the Broadway/LaFayette station. Then on Sept. 24 at the same station they struck around 7 p.m., robbing three people at gunpoint as they came down the stairs. Police said that on Oct. 1 at around 7 p.m., the same four, joined by the fifth suspect, robbed three straphangers on a station platform. The victims said they believed the suspects had knives.

So far no one injured in these robberies, but police and straphangers said they are worried as the crime spree rolls on because suspects can get greedier and rougher.

“I’d certainly want it to be nipped in the bud sooner rather than later,” Bushwick resident Marcus Lowenhaupt said.

“A reminder that this kind of thing can still happen and does still happen,” Parilis added.

All four men are about 5-foot-10 and the female is 5-4. Police said she has the tattoos “Loved” and “Hated” on her arm. Some straphangers said those tattoos are half right.

The NYPD said so far this year crime in the subways is up nearly 17 percent compared to last year.

Complete descriptions of the suspects as provided by the police are as follows:

  1. Black male 17-20, 5-7 to 5-10, 190 pounds, tattoo on right arm.
  2. Black male, 17-20, 5-9, 180 pounds, earrings in both ears
  3. Hispanic male, 17-20, 5-10 to 6-feet with braided hair. He has an Eye of Horus tattoo on his neck and spider web tattoo on his left arm.
  4. Black female, 18-20 years old, 5-4, 120 pounds. She has the word “Hated” with a picture of a rose and the word “Loved” tattooed on her arm.
  5. Hispanic male, 17-20, 55-10 to 6-1, 190 pounds, with a piercing in his right eyebrow.

Police ask anyone with any information to contact Crime Stoppers. You can:

  • Call 1-800-577-8477 (TIPS). All calls are confidential.
  • Log on to the Crime Stoppers website
  • Text your tip to 274637 (CRIMES) and enter TIP577

If caught and convicted, what do you think the appropriate punishment is in this case? Sound off in our comments section.

Comments (450)
  1. JustAGuy says:

    The police have been diverted from fighting crime because they now have to babysit the malcontents protesting at Wall Street

  2. Damien Jones says:

    Its amazing how some people think. The economy is faltering banks have been given trillions yet they charge these crazy fees and barely want to help out the common folk. Wall street protestors saying tax the wealthy sure.. 100 Million club and up. Lets start there. and end these TAXES that nobody has $ to pay for.

    This will continue till inflation goes even further and gets worst. Stop worrying about fake terrorism and worry about making America innovative again.

  3. dump28usn says:

    380 or 40 caliber would be great stoppers!

  4. Dion says:

    Im surprised they are good young black boys

    Who would have thunk?

  5. Diceman Schwartz says:

    it’s bernie goetz time.
    arm yourself, because obama is encouraging
    crime , mayhem. and class warfare.
    why ?
    He has planned all along to declare marshall law,
    thus delaying the the general election,
    so he can maintain power, and finish destroying our great nation.

  6. Mark Matis says:

    Ooooooooohhhhhh! Pictures! Somebody done screwed up! You ain’t supposed to run pictures of Preferred Species.

    Just more Obamas runnin’ wild. Nothing to see here, folks! Move along now…

  7. Brad says:

    Two words: Open Carry. Allow law-abiding citizens to arm themselves for protection and this sort of thing would not happen.

    1. Mark Matis says:

      Neither Bloomie nor his pig buddies would tolerate that. Their oath of office means NOTHING to that swill.

  8. NYGlenn says:

    Buckwheats doing this?? SHOCKING!!

  9. Bruce Gulbrandson says:

    Oh those poor young people. I think a good public education in reform school would help them out. Remember to always carry a knife or snub nose revolver.

  10. Iron Head says:

    Time for everyone with a CWP to ride the subway. Case closed.

    DRT – Dead Right There.

  11. Leah says:

    If caught and convicted, they should be first sent to jail. If you commit an adult crime, you get punished like an adult. Then they should be made to work hard during the day picking up trash. If you live like trash, you pick up trash. Sounds fair to me. During the evenings they should be in school. Weekends should be spent working, and with a mentor. The goal should be to punish the bad behavior, but also to train them to live better. Once released from jail, they should be on parole with a mentorship program, helped to finish school, and find a job. Straight punishment without redirection doesn’t help those kids, and they’ll go right back to the crime unless they’re taught to be different.

    1. The Facts says:

      Most thugs have no interest in rehabilitating themselve. That is why we have such a high rate of recidivism.

  12. JOe Dutra says:

    Citizens, arm yourselves.

  13. steve says:

    “A great life ahead of them”??? Prison or drug addiction based on statistics!
    Same lawlessness we saw under David Dinkins only now it’s on a national scale because we have a black president!

  14. Uh Clem says:

    Can’t carry a gun on a plane, plane is taken over with box cutters.
    Can’t carry a gun in NYC, train is taken over with boxcutters.

    I see a pattern (and a solution) here.

  15. blyutz says:

    I wonder what the city is going to do about the lice infestation among the Wall St. protesters. I hear it’s spreading like wildfire. Yuck.

    1. Paul says:

      I was thinking this would be a really great opportunity to put a dent in the welfare rolls and crime rate by quickly throwing up some chain link fence and concertina wire and let the bugs, rats and disease take care of the problem in a week or so.

      But alas Bloomberg is Mayor so he’ll probably go kick some small business people in the nards, empty their wallets and use the money to get his supporters to go away.

  16. Snooks says:

    Take em to the vet and put the animals down

    1. glenp says:

      that’s too merciful and doesn’t make an example.

      couple of slugs to the skull is better

  17. dondon says:

    Getting a gun license with a stiff requirement to do so will eliminate or at least diminish these thugs from their gang activities. I am just sick and tired of these knuckle draggers and their swarms. Start shooting some of them and this would be a thing of the past.

    1. Paul says:

      Ahhh, close but no cigar. In places as fundamentally corrupted by progressive/leftist policies and politicians the exact opposite is what is needed. By implementing licensing requirement, especially strict ones, you create another avenue for leftist corruption where by only the wealthy and well connected are able to protect themselves and they’re not the one riding the subways with these little crack-baby ghetto thugs. Open carry with no requirement or restrictions is what is needed to solve a problem as big as the one in NYC … those inclined to use their guns for criminal activity will meet the majority of citizens who aren’t and the weeding out process will be bloody and short.

  18. Nuevo Cicero says:

    They should go to the protest downtown. Plenty of white folks who I am sure would like to share what they have for I am sure that the will practice what they preach.

  19. ObamaDownWithWhiTee says:

    1 x +P+ + head = dead punk

    1. Renfield says:

      and 1 dead punk = a thousand future crimes prevented

  20. Sal says:

    NYC needs an Italian heritaged mayor who is more concerned about your
    safety in the Subway than about whether you eat a few grams of transfats.
    Bloomberg is an elitist fool

  21. jnsesq says:

    Once again, Asian-Jew gang members disguised as urban ferals terrify the disarmed sheeple. Anyone wish to compare Giuliani’s New York to the Bloomberg version (the white Dinkins)?

  22. John S says:

    2nd Amendment

    1. Leah says:

      True that.

  23. jocko says:

    Gee, just call a cop. that’s what we are told. Why all the fuss about this. The government has you protected. Fortunately I live in PA and carry a .32 Beretta Tomcat in my pocket at all times. Carrying gives you great confidence. You can look the thugs in the eye. You can walk tall and without fear. Believe me, the thugs know when you carry yourself like that you are not someone to mess with in a concealed carry state. By the way, I am in my 60s and just dont care anymore.

    1. Renfield says:

      Very true, jocko. Like the wild animals they are, thugs can sense fear and of course infer helplessness. When you’re carrying, their animal instinct tells them you’re not good prey.

      I live in Alabama. There’s plenty of violent crime here, but it’s heavily concentrated in certain highly confined areas, usually one criminal versus another. But you virtually NEVER hear or read of muggings or carjackings. I wonder . . . could the fact that a large percentage of the adult population goes about legally armed, both concealed and open carry, have anything to do with that?

      New York City makes me sick. A criminal mugs a citizen? So what. But a citizen defends himself? HORRORS!!

  24. ObamaDownWithWhiTee says:

    Time for WhiTee to start bucking some Glocks up in the hizzau. Teach these spooks what’s up!

  25. Tony says:

    Hey, Mr. Herman Cain – who’s RACIST now. Maybe you should have a little talk with your ‘HOME BOYS”!!!!!! Oh dear, I guess it’s the white guys fault for being WHITE – Ride the subway, Herman.

  26. jim norman says:

    Make the 2nd Amendment legal in New York and this would end over night.

    1. Renfield says:

      Sorry, jim, the U.S. Constitution does NOT apply in New York City.

    2. The Facts says:

      According to the U.S. Supreme Court, you have an individual right to keep a loaded handgun in your home. It was left to the states to determine whether or not to permit carry outside the home.

  27. edwardo says:

    Progressive’s attaching progressives! who cares! NYC is becoming Cairo or Athens anyway. This is just another Obamanomics solution to wealth redistribution. if you will not give it to me, i will let my minions take it from you by force! He steals it illegally thru taxes or illegally thru thuggery! Likely these kids belong to a union.

  28. Mark says:

    I had a group of punks start something like this with me. I always carry mace. I sprayed down two of them, busted out my pocket taser shocked two of them, then my friends and I dealt some street justice. Trust me they will think twice about acting like this again. I made sure they were in serious pain

  29. John Frost says:

    Vote for a Liberal and you vote for more welfare for these wild African animals.

  30. Lilly says:

    What is with the term “strap hangers” for to describe subway riders and the term for thugs – “baby faced youths”? There is nothing “baby” about thugs who rob citizens in New York. I hope someone plugs them.

  31. Kevin M. Sullivan says:

    Where is Bernard Goetz when we need him? LOL!

  32. Fanny Forbes Franklen says:

    Open carry ends these degenerate’s career overnight. This will only get worse until OC is instituted.

    1. JOe Dutra says:

      Concealed carry is the real answer.

      1. Paul says:

        Concealed carry works well in places where the criminal element is already in check, not urban cesspools line NYC where they rule the streets and have support in the city government to continue their rampage of terror. When the problem has grown as big as it has open carry with no restrictions is the only answer. They need to step on to those subway cars and see a sea of gleaming steel and carbon fiber ready to draw on them from every direction if they act up to get the message.

        1. Renfield says:

          Like Joe, I prefer concealed carry. However, New York City as you point out presents a special case. At present, the criminals know (1) that potential victims are unarmed, (2) that the city wants to avoid prosecuting members of officially favored groups, (3) that the courts are lenient, and (4) that juveniles can literally get away with murder. The thugs are well aware that they hold all the cards.

          I’d love to see open carry in NYC, but I’m not holding my breath.

  33. Meme says:

    I’ll bet all the victims where white. Isn’t this a “Hate Crime”? Will they be held for trial for ‘Hate Crimes”?

    Look, if Obama and his Administration are looking for a war, they are about to get it. How much longer do these black kids think they can get away with attacking innocent white people without others rising up against them?
    Enough of these “Flash Mobs” already! Is that what they want? If so, they’d better remember that blacks make up about 12% of the population…not good odds.

  34. blancojoe says:

    Were these punks White, Japanese, Eskimos?

  35. Kent says:

    The problem is that these guys don’t get shot in the head enough,

  36. toogoo says:

    I really want Mr. Obama and Mr. Holder to start riding the subway on a daily basis and get their asses slashed; opps, I forgot these little hoodlums only pick on the whites who are easy prey because they are not allowed to carry weapons. Wake up America – fight back or perish. Where is China – let them take over the country for a month; there will be no more blacks!!!!

  37. blancojoe says:

    Yes, “It’s sad because they have so much life ahead of them.” The only “life” these punks need is behind bars

  38. Spotlight says:

    If not for democrat politicians and constituents, there would be no news.

  39. Bill says:

    How are those strick gun laws working out for you, New York? What a great city to be a criminal; knowing you can take anything from anyone at any time and no one will be able to stop you – like taking candy from foolish liberal children.

  40. Bill says:

    Africans, again.

  41. captain pickles says:

    Why is it so hard to include the word “Black” in the headline ? We all know it.

    1. Bill says:

      The nomenclature lame ass press, there is no need to use the word “Black.” It is understood that these criminals are african.

      1. Paul says:

        Their ethnicity has nothing this situation, skin color doesn’t make a person into what these animals have become. Being raised in a culture where a political ruling class tells you from the day you’re born you’re entitled to take from others by force to satisfy your desires does.

        You take any racial or ethnic group herd them into government plantations, feed them government cheese, hand them and they’re kids money stolen from others and tell them they’re victims day in and day out and if they keep voting for certain people they can get more and you’ll get the same result.

        These punks are not different in any way or measure from the worthless punks occupying Wall Street … they’re all LBJ’s demon spawn.

        1. glenp says:

          This situation happens thanks to a holes like you. WORLDWIDE the lowest ed level highest unemployment, highest criminality , highest illegitimacy , highest murder rate, Name one well run black govt—you cannot just ask MUGAGE or IDI AMIN

  42. Jason says:

    That’s it, ban box-cutters!

    I knew they were black before I clicked the link.

  43. bobbyhoying says:

    If you people in New York carried guns this problem would end quickly. A few thugs shown shot and bleeding on the evening news and You Tube would end it.

    1. Paul says:

      Unfortunately that’s probably not true in this case as we are talking about NYC here. This is the epicenter of NE Blue State leftist stupidity after so a few bloodied thugs courtesy of armed citizen defending themselves would probably result in a bunch of screaming HuffPo/DailyKooks/Mother Jones types demanding more gun control and the complete disarming of the citizenry. The people who control places like NYC, the politicians and the leftist nut-cases who vote for them, are all to happy to see and allow working people being robbed and attacked daily. The smart thing to do is what my family did, get the hell out of the liberal sewer and move to a place where the majority of people understand where you’re coming from.

  44. Paul says:

    Well that’s what happens when you elect leftists who set about dividing people into groups, pitting them against each other and designating some and more important and worthy than others.

    1. googlemystic says:

      Yeah. Before leftists there was no crime

      1. Paul says:

        When was there ever a time when leftists didn’t exist? I got bad news for you, whatever label they’ve worn over time since people first cities sprang up they’ve been havens for crime because some morally and intellectually bankrupt people set out to attract the criminal element by promising to steal from someone else in exchange for they’re support. Eventually people get fed up and wise to them, rise up and fight back and they go into the shadows for awhile but always return with a new “progressive” sounding name to call their criminal enterprise(s)

      2. caligula says:

        very astute observation.

        now if we can just figure a way to eliminate leftists and muslims from the earth, we’ll finally attain world peace. IMAGINE

  45. Paul says:

    Not really sure why this is story Drudge thinks is worthy of the nation’s attention. For those of us living in states that the respect and protect our right to self defense we don’t have to deal with such nonsense unless we choose to do so. The .357 that in on my hip and the 9mm on my wife’s every time we leave the house ensures we can make short work of such low-lifes. Sorry the kook left in places like New York still hasn’t figured this out but until they do, NYC you’ve earned every single on of these encounters with these dependent class thugs with your votes. Enjoy them!

  46. Jerzey Boy says:

    Where is Bernie Goetz when you need him.

  47. Constitution First says:

    That’s why I won’t live in, or near, a city that doesn’t allow Concealed Carry.

    And yeah, the game of “name that race” is getting pretty monotonous, isn’t it?

    1. Justin Time says:

      Mathew Drudge loves to link to black crime. What I’ve come to learn over the years is that vast majority of all races are falling terribly short of personal excellence. The odds of you meeting quality individuals is already so small that by further restricting yourself to a specific race, you do yourself an injustice.

      For a time, I thought education was the dividing factor. But the older I become, the more I’m convinced that true, nondenominational Godliness is what separates us.

      1. Delmont 88 says:

        The top ten most crime-ridden countries in the World are African or have substantial black populations. Denial is not a river in Egypt.

        1. Justin Time says:

          I don’t doubt it, and I see your point. But if you pull up our own most wanted lists of rapists and murderers, you’ll find the vast majority to be Hispanic.

          My point is that race isn’t consistent enough to be the deciding factor. I’m confident that none of these criminals in Africa or the United States are the types of individuals who spend their days trying to live up to God’s standards.

          1. Ben says:

            Any race OTHER than white IS ‘consistent enough to be a deciding factor’, period…..non whites are exponentially more prone to crime and mayhem…..

            1. RightNYer says:

              That isn’t true of East Asians.

          2. Bob Rainey says:

            50% of all violent crime is committed by young black men.

            1. Bruce Frykman says:

              The legacy of “the great society” When government has an idea run for your lives

            2. Robert says:

              Actually the figure is between 70 &75%.I wish people would wake up to these animals.They all carry the violent gene of their forefathers.They must be taken out of society.

        2. Tony Wise says:

          That is not PC but spot on correct. Its as though they are unable to control themselves,GETS DE WHITE WOMEN.

        3. Ben says:

          Delmont, you are 100% correct……Alas, the libs and sheeple STILL find ways to deny the blatantly obvious……Crime IS proportional to melanin content whether some want to accept it or not………….

        4. Emma Davidson says:

          Delmont 88. “THEY LOOK PRETTY YOUNG AND IT’S SAD BECAUSE THEY HAVE SUCH A GREAT LIFE AHEAD OF THEM AND THERE’S SO MUCH MORE THEY CAN BE DOING,” SAID GWENN EVERETT OF BED-STUDY. It’s a funny comment. These thugs are probably product of the welfare system and it probably goes back a few generations back. How can these thugs have a great life ahead of them? You have to have discipline, respect the law, earn a living, become a better human being every day, be a productive member of society. These thugs obviously are none of that. So, no, they don’t have a “great life ahead of them”. What they have ahead of them is prision life and well deserved.

      2. Dave says:

        What you say about GODLINESS is true. And all races are falling short. The African-American demographic has had a jumpstart due to LBJ’s welfare strategy, which unfairly targeted African-Americans. At the same time, our Dept of Education has done a great injustice to this country. Obama, while talking about racism, has only served to escalate tension between the races. We will pay for our sins (a politically incorrect word, but precisely what it is about.) We are now seeing missionaries from foreign countries like Korea canvas the country in hopes of saving us. I hope they are successful.

      3. Mo says:

        Drudge posts these links to point out the hypocrisy of “msm” coverage.

      4. jojo says:

        Black crime? never. Not with Obama as president.

      5. Mike says:

        Is there really any other kind of violent crime? It is extremely rare for Caucasians to get involved in targeting strangers for violence.

        Do I believe this is something in the DNA of the blacks? Absolutely not. It is a culture, caused by permissiveness and fear in mainstream society. All one of those thugs has to do is see one of his friends take a round in the face or groin from someone who was supposed to be their victim, watch him rolling on the ground screaming and praying for God to take him, and he will understand what violence is and where it leads, and never do it again. But the chances of that happening in NYC are nil, so the attacks continue. Humans are imperfect and always need at least the possibility of dire consequences to keep them on track.

        1. Mo says:

          Ahhhh, but two were “Hispanic,” yes, the same category the FBI includes them in with whites to skew statistics and make it look like whites actually commit more crime than they do. Shhhhhhhhhh….we’re not supposed to think like that or know that Hispanics are lumped in with whites for statistical purposes.

      6. Matthew Dunnyveg says:

        Justin, why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and move to the ghetto or barrio?

      7. Keep it reall says:

        Justin, black crime is so common that this is only news because these particular blacks used box cutters. Had they used guns, it would not be news. The reason you have so much black crime is because it is not demonized by liberals and black culture. Too many excuses. The black lady in the video says itt’s “too bad” not for the victims but for the criminals. Typical.

        And race is a predictor in many cases. As a white neighborhood turns to a mixed neighbohood with a heavy black population, it deterioates. Time and time again, school after school, city after city. It is predictable as night follows day.

        1. Marbran says:

          And when ‘night’ follows ‘day’ in most communities, there are very few tomorrows that follow. The community dies.

        2. BEP777 says:

          They are just using box cutters to get money to buy guns. Very enterprising.

      8. H. Johnson says:

        Blacks represent about 12% of the US population and 40% of the US prison population. I’m aftraid that Mr. Drudge and God have little to do with that and it’s not my fault either. If more people were armed and capable of defending themselves these animals would be less likely to prey on others.

      9. Dave Turner says:

        How can Drudge link to black crime when the news media is so reluctant to report black youth violence as much beyond “unruly youth”?

      10. Bruce Frykman says:

        Germany was the most educated nation on the face of the earth in the 1930s and yet descended into the most successfully barbaric and destructive culture.the world has ever seen

        Their science, literature, and art eclipsed that of the entire world. Education has nothing, I repeat: nothing, to do with morality.

        Godliness does indeed equate directly to morality but our churches do not necessarily promote Godliness either.

        “Do unto others as you would have done unto you”: is the alpha and omega of all morality; the rest is superfluous corollary

      11. Larry Holmgren says:

        Actually, Matt Drudge usually posts (outrageous and bizarre) crimes from Florida, his home state. When youth gangs are doing their crimes it is national news whether it is Philadelphia or NYC because it is a brazen gang. Their race is a detail for identification and apprehension and cultural analysis (as in young thugs).

      12. obama says:

        OMG you are so right. He should have linked this to the gang of white boys in Iowa who are holding up old ladies at the mall.


    2. Man from Texas says:

      We do not have this problem here in Texas! We (I) have concealed handgun(s). Seems to solve the problem!!!

      1. JC says:

        You better think again. There was a flash mob of “youths” in TEXAS that rampaged a store, beat the white store clerk like a pack of animals attacking their prey, and not one person stopped any of them.

    3. Jack Kinch(1uncle) says:

      Let’s just say , they are demos.

    4. Coffee Party says:

      Violent crimes are committed by minorities
      Financial crimes are committed by white people.
      Which has done more damage to our nation?

      1. John says:

        There was a home invasion down the street from me the other day, in Baltimore, take a guess of the race… I’m sure the victims of violent crime would disagree with your assessment…
        I wonder how you would feel if you were set upon by violent thugs? I’m sure then you would feel very different. Idiot liberal…

      2. Bruce Frykman says:

        The largest financial crime ever perpetrated on society was carried out by a mulatto (is that word PC?) president: Obama.

      3. DW says:

        Politics is local and so is crime. I think the answer depends on whether you’ve been a victim of ‘violent’ crime or a ‘financial’ crime. I had a friend who was stabbed to death with a 4-inch screwdriver and a niece who had her head bashed in with a rock. So my answer to your question is violent crimes.

      4. Coffee Party says:

        Fail to see how financial turmoil increases violent crime?

        Bruce, do you really care if the word is PC?

        Here’s a joke you idiots can appreciate:
        Why is it that minorities commit so many violent crimes?

        Because the white victims can’t finger them in a lineup.

  48. Kathy says:

    The right to conceal and carry….NOW

    1. genius says:

      good idea kathy

      can’t imagine any consequences to stray bullets in the middle of manhattan or brooklyn.

      maybe u should focus on applying your brilliiant ideas to your village & let us city folk handle ourselves.

      1. Bob Conquest says:

        Your name is very misleading…

        1. SafetyFirst says:

          Hollowpoints or Fragibles would work fine in a crowd.

          1. phil says:

            Oh where is Bernard Goetz when you need him?

        2. genius says:

          mr.conquest it is called sarcasm. it is a form of subtle humor. if you go to the following website:

          u can enter sarcasm definitiion. and then press search. this way u will conquer something today,

          oh & btw, it is painfully obvious that well over 90% of this board is filled with non-nyc residents giving their opinions on something they know nothing about.

          1. Scott says:

            Just because you don’t currently live in a city does not mean you do not understand them. If everyone is armed the good out number the bad so the good win. Does your little mind understand that or do we need to go to pictures?

          2. Spanky T Smackme says:

            You are right, I am not from NYC but I know how to stop this….OPEN FIRE…then you wont have decrepit criminals robbing you….A 357 HP works real nice at point blank range.

          3. Marbran says:

            Exactly what do we know nothing about? Crime? Is crime different in NYC than everywhere else? Are the actions of these hooligans somehow accepted in NYC? Do you view their actions as just another detail to be dealt with as consequence of living in NYC?

      2. Bob says:

        well “genius” it would seem that you cant handle things very well.

        1. genius says:

          bob we can do this all day but unfortunately i have job

          i’ll make it simple for u. focus on ur local government & economy.

          let the big boys deal with the city. when u start making 7 digits annually, then feel free to come here and “teach us the way”

          1. Justin Time says:

            Anyone who measures their self-worth in dollars, probably has little of either.

          2. Scott says:

            I would love to see your “genius” at work after an EMP. The country folk will be fine we will just use you city folk as bait for our traps.

          3. kelly says:

            What resturant are you waiting tables at Genius? And No i do not want to supersize that. Outstanding mark you make big money.Please stay in the city because you would never make it out here in the real world.

          4. Kent says:

            Well genius it never stops the big city types from telling all of us in “flyover” country that we dont need the second ammendment. How does it feel when someone sticks their nose in a local problem. PS do us a favor and ride the subway home today. And everyday till your lucky number comes up.

            1. genius says:

              and i would state that the people in nyc who say this are also in the wrong. especially since most of them have never stepped foot outside of nyc. i have lived in the midwest until my post-graduate years and have lived in both small towns and nyc for greater than 15 years each. it pisses me off just as much when i hear a wealthy liberal new yorker go off about the south knowing they have never lived there.

              and for the record, i am no genius (obviously since i am posting on the internet anonymously) but i run a very successful business and have 47 employees. one of the biggest keys to my success is listening to other people and not making judgement on things that i have no experience in. i will gladly listen to people defend their rights to use guns if they choose to democratically. what i don’t like to listen to is self-righteous individuals who think they know everything and like to tell people about it. if new yorkers wish to vote for gun-toting-rights i would not get in their way. if i felt it to not be in my interest i would move. just don’t understand the arrogance i guess. it’s like everyone here is trying to apply for a job at the fed or on wall street

      3. Al says:

        I can see the logic of only criminals having guns as they are all victims of society , have interesting back-stories, and when not in jail or rehab vote solidly democratic.

      4. Darin says:

        I’m sorry Genius, but the amount of deaths/injuries from “stray bullets” would be far less than the amount of deaths now caused by armed thugs. I think you need to change your name quick….

        1. genius says:

          thk u darin for the wonderful statistical analysis. it is clear u have a future in econometrix. they r hiring at goldman right now, best of luck

          1. SSgt Rock says:

            us country folks know how to handle personal security. It’s the out of control society that you city folks need to get a handle on. You have no consequences to what people do so there is NO personal respsonibility… Cities down south have much better control than you folks do…

            1. TXMarko says:

              Let the city rats like ‘genius’ eat themselves alive. When the inevitable collapse happens and they can’t get any bread, much less Starbucks, they will come crawling out to the small towns and farms expecting to be fed and catered to.

              Boy, will they be surprised….

      5. Russ says:

        Yes, you do such a good job of it – getting robbed, getting mugged, you know how to do it and to it right!

        After Bernie Goetz plugged those young crooks who tried to hold him up the crime rate in New York dropped like a rock… for a while. And tell me where all those stray bullets are in other places from people legally carrying a weapon for protection? Your pathetic attitude will keep you enslaved to the criminals forever. Good work.

      6. genius has his daughter raped says:

        How do “handle it ourselves?” Beg the misunderstood thuggies to have a heart? Give them some cookies? But I know you were just joking because no one can be so stupid as this.

        1. genius says:

          no & this is the point. most new yorkers don’t have kids. it is not a good place for kids until u hit the 7 digit mark and even then it is a struggle. this is a place for adults. u raise ur kids in westchester, long island, or jersey, or if u cannot afford it u get out of this place.

          we handle it ourselves because a handful of robberies is a tiny statistic. u think all day today not 1 person in texas was robbed? ok maybe there are 0 robberies or murders in ur community. but again no one is forcing u to move here. i don’t tell u how to raise ur sheep. that would be very ignorant and arrogant of me too since i don’t know anything about how u live. how come u think u know so much about us when u have not lived here?

          1. AlanL says:

            I live in Manhattan and I’ve definitely seen an uptick in both the aggressiveness and the numbers of roving jobless youth in just the past 18 months. Personally, I’d like there to be a conceal and carry law in the city. The law breakers are the only ones carrying now. It might put a seed of doubt in their mind before they pulled a knife on some poor straphanger if they thought he might be packing.

          2. Hawkeye says:

            So…what exactly do you do to “handle it”? It’s pretty obvious that what you have been doing is not working…Crime rate going thru the ceiling, idiot hippies stinkin up the street protesting for $20/ hr wage “whether employed or not”, tax bills throu the wazzu, 55% of you “7 digits confiscated to hand out to these thugs that keep cutting and stealing from you, and on and on ad-nauseam.

            Yep, you’re really handling it aren’t you? Keep voting democrat…that change is gonna kill you.

            1. john says:

              Genius, you sound like a fool, keep telling us about the “7 digits”. Successful people don’t brag about their salaries to strangers in a comment section of a news site..

              Shouldn’t you be down on wallstreet with your hippe friends?

              1. genius says:

                i never said i made 7 digits. i just think if u r arrogant enough to tell another city what to do, u should have some level of success to back it up with instead of just sitting behind ur cowardly anonymous moniker and throwing stones…

      7. Pete Lanteri says:

        If you could handle yourselves, there wouldn’t be any robberies you SHEEPLE!!!

      8. Jay says:

        Hey Genius,

        You can’t You are cowards. Sheep.

        1. genius says:


          even if we can’t, this is good for u. look at it this way, us dumb minority mixed race idiots in nyc r so stupid we r killing & robbing each other. doesn’t this make u happy in the least? less libtards for u guys to deal with. even better since we choose not to shoot each other, we deserve it. this should satisfy 2 conditions for u, personal responsibility as well as libtard population reduction

          1. dumo-libtards says:

            Not so genius. We can’t reduce libtard population as fast as the dumo-libtards do themselves. Your right in your lack of children to rise in the big city. You’re too busy murdering them in the womb and in the process killing off your libtard voting population.

            Genius libtards!

          2. SUPER16 says:

            Wow genius, now I agree with you. Can I send you guys some more bullets?

        2. genius says:

          u r correct jay. bravery involves using guns

      9. Robert Chapman says:

        Okay city folk. What is your answer? Get your liberal mayor off his ass and step it up! Meanwhile, buy a gun and insist on your right to carry it as the Second Amendment mandates

        1. man from Texas says:

          Robert, you are right on target (pardon the pun)!!!

      10. Tim Smith says:

        Because you’re handling it so well? Have at it. I don’t live in NYC and couldn’t care less, if you want to remain sheep.

      11. siylence says:

        City folk aren’t handling themselves, as it stands they’re at the mercy of a 5 strong group of urban youths.

        1. genius says:

          uhhh…no one in the city is really concerned about this despite the headline. subways were packed as usual today. no different than any other day. when u pass by 10k people a day something may happen once in a while.

          4.5 murder per 100,000 in 2010 in nyc. 5 murders in 100,000 in 2010 texas.

      12. Paul says:

        “maybe u should focus on applying your brilliiant ideas to your village & let us city folk handle ourselves.”

        Because you guys have done such a grand job of it so far, right?

      13. Richard says:

        The neat thing about stray bullets in NYC or Jersey is that the stray bullets would take out mostly worthless “people’ if they didn’t hit their intended targets.

      14. Robocopper says:

        Repeal the Sullivan law. Agree with the right to Conceal and Carry.

        /s/ Former South Bronx Honky
        165th and Gerard Avenue– Go Yankees

      15. GriffMN says:

        Hollow points aren’t going to go crashing around your city blocks.

      16. Jonathan Campbell says:

        “genius” Looks like you city folk are doing a fine job of taking care of your cities:)

      17. David says:

        When you take a Concealed Carry Class one thing they teach you is to be aware of not just your “target” but what is behind, and next to it as well. Stray bullets do have grave consequences, consequently the training given highlights the perils of just “firing away” without assessing the total situation first. Also it is stressed to practice distinguishing threats from non-threats by attending shooting matches such as those held by the International Defensive Pistol Association (IDPA). Here you get hands on experience in stressful situations while developing skills that allow you to shoot accurately so you can hit your intended target while under stress. Unfortunately for you, most collateral damage caused by stray bullets comes from criminals, such as gang members, while performing drive by shootings whom are not legally allowed to carry those weapons in the first place. Allowing citizens to legally carry a firearm, which criminals do anyways could be a good solution for your crime ridden ghettos on NYC. Since it does not appear as though the current gun control laws in your state are working perhaps you should consider the logic of what Kathy is proposing as a valid solution to your inner city crime problems.

    2. Pete Lanteri says:

      BINGO!!! We need Bernard Goetz back!!

    3. Moved to Must Issue State says:

      An armed society is a polite society. See _More Guns, Less Crime_ by John Lott – the statistics are irrefutable. More guns in circulation in the hands of decent citizens substantially lowers the incidence of violent crime. Rape, as it happens, is the type of crime that sees the greatest drop when a jurisdiction changes to a ‘must issue’ jurisdiction where the authorities do not have discretion when issuing permits, so this should be a feminist issue. And, to the idea that stray bullets would be flying around – the fact is that in those areas where there are lots of concealed carry permits, those bullets don’t. Simply brandishing a weapon will stop the overwhelming majority of crimes before they happen.

    4. Jack Kinch(1uncle) says:

      Nobama wants to take your guns. Can’t fight a gang with box cutter against box cutters. Waste of time to call this Dept. of Justice. Holder may have given the cutters..

  49. Jerzey Boy says:

    Check in the nuts jobs at the Wall Street protestors, these thugs will fit in just fine.

    1. Dna says:

      HMMMM whats wrong with a little street activism, before you know it they will be in the Whiute House

  50. Bernie Goetz says:

    Where’s Bernie Goetz when you need him?

    1. Northern Dude says:


    2. Snadman says:

      Amen brother.

    3. Kevin Carey says:

      He’d shoot them and wind up in jail himself….twisted laws huh??

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