NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — The ASPCA said Monday a necropsy is planned to find out what caused a carriage horse to collapse and die in Manhattan.

The debate over Central Park carriage horses has raged for years and the latest incident has brought it to light once again.

“I love the horses. It’s one of the reasons I’m walking home through Central Park, around Central Park because you get to see the horses, you get to smell the horses,” Bruce Cohen told CBS 2’s Derricke Dennis.

“I think it’s cruel for the horses to be out on Central Park South. I’d rather see them in the park,” Karen Molho said.

The white horse collapsed and later died Sunday around 9:30 a.m. as it trotted toward Central Park, according to the ASPCA.

“We at the ASPCA express our sadness and concern at this tragic incident,” the ASPCA said in a statement. “The life of a carriage horse on New York City streets is extremely difficult and life threatening, and the ASPCA has long believed that carriage horses were never meant to live and work in today’s urban setting.”

But carriage drivers like Erwin Meuse denied any cruelty, saying the horses are fed well, their hours are limited, and they’re loved.

“They’re treated very well, believe it or not. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be in this business,” he said.

Elizabeth Forel, president of the Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages, said the driver should have known there was something wrong with the horse.

“You don’t have to be a horse expert to know if something is wrong with your horse or with an animal,” she said. “These drivers profess to know so much about their horses, but if they did, shouldn’t they have been sensitive enough to know there was something wrong with this horse?”

Its body, which is in the custody of the ASPCA, was taken to Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine. There, a necropsy will be performed to determine the horse’s cause of death.

Forel said the incident is just another reason why the industry needs to be banned.

“Horses don’t belong in the city,” she said. “It’s very upsetting.”

“There’s nothing romantic about a ride in a horse-drawn carriage. These poor horses … they’re not meant to be working on city streets,” activist Mary Culpeper said.

Animal rights activists have been calling for the ban of horse-drawn carriages for years. Supporters of the movement claim it is abusive to the animals.

Earlier this year, State Sen. Tony Avella and Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal also called for a ban of horse-drawn carriages, saying the industry is antiquated and barbaric.

Public Advocate Bill de Blasio is supporting a bill to replace the horses with electric cars.

“Environmentally safe, appealing, a way that we can still attract the tourists, but without the cruelty to animals, and without all the other complications,” de Blasio said.

The Horse and Carriage Association of New York called Sunday’s incident a “tragedy.”

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Comments (54)
  1. Heather says:

    Horses pulling carriages in NYC needs to end. If not, they should only be able to work where there aren’t ANY cars. Or a time needs to be set when horses can pull carriages thru Central Park, and NO CARS allowed during those hours. If not, then it has to end IMMEDIATELY.
    There are other options out there to lure tourists.

  2. Louise Silnik says:

    Thank you for covering this very important issue. The carriage horse industry is exploitative and cruel. The horses don’t belong in a city environment, in the midst of heavy traffic, working in extreme heat and freezing cold for 9 hours a day. Why is it that other places like Montreal, Paris, and Beijing have already banned this practice, but we continue to torture these animals for financial gain. These horses are not being properly monitored for proper medical care or to assure that they are not working longer hours than allowed. This barbaric industry needs to be abolished, period.

    1. Carriage Horse Lover says:

      The NYC carriage horses, and carriage horses throughout the USA are NOT tortured. Carriage horse owners and drivers are NOT barbaric. Carriage horses receive betteer and more consistent vet, farrier and dental care than many pleasure horses do.

      Carriage horses are valued companions and coworkers who have a job to do and a home to home to when their work is done. Many breweries in the UK and Europe still use horse-drawn drays to deliver their products becasue studies have shown it is more environmentally sound and economical to use horse power for short-haul deliveries than fossil fuel powered vehicles.

      Some towns and cities in Europe are selling their fleets of trash collection trucks and going with specially designed horse-drawn collection vehicles because they are much more quiet and more economical to maintain as well as more “green” that gas and diesel powered trucks. And the people like horses better than the noisy smelly trucks.. So sorry to see that so many people in NYC want to remain stuck in the 20th century instead of heading “back to the future” with horse power- real horse power.

    2. CEWare says:

      If they are not being properlymonitored, then you can blame those responsible for the monitoring. That would be the ASPCA. The rest of what you wrote is so idiotic as to be unworthy of response.

    3. jinny says:

      Paris and Beijing might have banned carriage rides, but they eat horses. put them in trucks so tight that some die on their trip to the slauter house… personal i think carriage horses are for the most part well taken care off. If i was going to get on a soap box it would be about the transport of horses to a meat packing factory, wild with fear, hurt and packed so tight into the truck they climb all over each other

  3. NYCLASS says:

    Take action for the horses! Visit and call your council member. Ask them to support Intro 86, legislation to replace carriage horses with electric vintage cars.

    1. Carriage Horse Lover says:

      Be sure to ask one of the backers of NYCLASS- a rich developer who wants to buy the NYC carriage horse stables why he supports a ban on NYC carriage horses but supports and participates equine activities such as eventing competitions where more horses are injured or killed each year than on the streets of NYC.

      1. CEWare says:

        I’ll take Greed and Hypocricy for $1000, Alex!

  4. Lyn says:

    To the person who said that carriage horses have a number burned into their hoof….The horse’s hoof is always growing and gets trimmed on a regular basis,every 6-8 weeks.the whole hoof grows out in about 1 year. So how did the killer auction find that number?Also that grey mare probably had an aortic artery burst.There are no signs.By time you know there is something wrong,your horse is dead. VERY FAST. Happens on the best of racetracks also,the horse drops dead under the ex-rider or jockey. Severe colic will have the horse in so much pain that he cannot stand,and goes into shock. that horse was trotting to the park-NOT A COLICKY HORSE! I live upstate NY and there are some retired carriage horses are up here.Most of them can be identified by the white spots on the coat from harness sores. Girth sore and traces sores that got so bad, that it scared and turned the coat white in that area.Seems to me to be very common problem..BTW -horses can deal with the cold very well – not the heat. I would need more info to say whether horses can be on the streets of any city.I would want to see the barns ,feed,how clean the harness and bridles are,how well they are shod, joint issues and lameness problems, vet care by a equine vet, how well the harness fits-or misfits, Quality of hay.How much of a “Horsemen” the owner-driver is.To “love” a horse is nice but the horse needs knowledgeable care with that. The only real problem I have is overloaded carriages,I have seen horses really lean into collars to pull,and the effect of the hard pavement on the feet and legs. These horses work just like the race horses and the race horses stand in stalls 23 hours a day,and work in all weather hot ,cold,rain,and snow and ice. So one can say any horse that is ridden/ driven is working for a living because they cost so much to keep.Full board for a show horse is about 1,000 a month. Is having any working horse humane? BTW – I have worked for show barns and harness race horse barns.

    1. Carriage Horse Lover says:

      I have read at least two different versions of how a horse named Billy and then renamed BobbyII was identified by his NYC hoof number when he was bought from an Amish Farmer by Brian Moore- the kill buyer/ horse broker whose horses are often featured on Another Chance 4 Horses’website for sale from the broker lot.

      Here is a link to the version of his story as presented by Blue Star Equiculture- a retirement farm for carriage horses. Here is the link- just copy and paste.

      You can find other versions that speculate as to how this former NYC carriage horses ended up with a horse broker- just do a web search “Bobby II carriage horse.”

  5. Sam says:

    Horses, like people, need a job. They earn their keep. Would you rather see them go to a butcher shop? Who will support them if they lose their jobs? If this horse died of colic as implied, do you know that the best chance of surviving colic (before surgery is needed) is to walk the horse? It gets the intestines moving and relieves the pain.

  6. Danyelle Fryman says:

    This is so stupid, those horses are well taken care of. They are fine with shoes on in the city, I don;t see what the big deal is. I had horses all my life and they were fine going up and down the road. Drives me nuts, I could see if these horses were being beat, or starved, working tons of hours but they are not They have very limited times per horse, an if it gets to hot the horses are not allowed out to work!

  7. Mrs. Ed says:

    Tourists are so taken up with the dated myth of “Olde New York” which, of course, never existed. Sure, we need the money they bring to New York’s chain restaurants (just like the ones back home!), to the bloated Broadway offerings and to the hugely overpriced hotels. Central Park is beautiful, but not the paradise our city boosters want to brag about. The Tavern on the Green has finally given up the ghost and, from what I’ve heard, is or will be a shop selling souvenirs. New York is at a low ebb, and a decent modernization of the tired old town should include ridding our consciences of animal torture. We can’t control what the horse breeders do, but we can stop encouraging them regarding this city.

  8. Eva Hughes says:

    Folks, the mortality rate for all living things is 100%.

    In other words – horses die, like everything and everyone else.

    In any other horse pursuit or enterprise, the owner is offered condolences, not attacks and unfounded accusations. Of course the city is “silent” — the results of the necropsy are not in, what would they have to say?

    Our industry is high-profile with limited resources — perfect for attack by humaniacs and real estate developers masquerading as animal advocates, like NYCLASS, who posted here.

    Whether or not you choose to believe it, each and every carriage horse leads a solid blue collar life, with their every need and comfort attended to. Housing, food, vet care, shoeing, vacations — do you realize that there are CHILDREN in this city who do live as well or as securely?

    Thousands of unwanted and homeless horses go to slaughter every WEEK in this country. A horse with a good home and a viable job is SAFE, and lucky.

    And we are lucky to have them.

    Hysteria and koolaid drinking abound with regard to NYC carriage horses — if anyone is interested in the TRUTH, or has any question whatever, please join us on our FB page, Carriage Horse Facts.

    Eva Hughes
    VP NY Horse &* Carriage Assoc

  9. Sue says:

    I am from New Zealand where horses are rarely 24/7 in stables. I have had a well conditioned, fit horse drop dead on me totally unexpectedly – a burst aorta in fact. There was no prior indication that anything was wrong and it was deeply distressing to lose a horse in such a way. I think some of you are over reacting to say that the death is a consequence of the work the horse did and are not being particularly sensitive to the driver and owners feeling either. I am also a bit perturbed by the comments on the “barbaric horse and carriage trade”. As far as I am aware there is nothing barbaric about carriages on roads. If it is just in the city that you are concerned about that is one thing, but carriages in general are probably far more ecologically sustainable than cars. We have carriage rides in a village near us which involves a stretch along a small state highway and the horses look totally comfortable being passed by articulated semis as they go. Look on the internet for Pirongia Clydesdales website.

    1. Mary says:

      This is very true, I know of an Appaloosa stallion who was only 3 years old. He was a World Champion, very healthy and very fit and he lived in the country. He never saw NYC. The owners had seen him playing in their inside arena only to find him shorlty afterwards dead. No signs of struggle, he just fell dead. Burst aorta (as we like to call it, a heart attack, even though they say horses don’t have heart attacks as people do). I have heard of many other young, healthy horses that live in the country, don’t pull carriages and are loved and cared for that have just dropped dead from an aneurism.

      1. Lulu says:

        So have I, but this still does not mean that urban carriage horse industry is relevant to the 21st century. The carriage horse operators and other people who want to live off the backs of animals, think that the “animal activists” want to live in a eutopian world where we apply human emotions to animals. The operators want to live in the “eutopia” of prior centuries with horse drawn carriages and no motor vehicles. Isn’t this why industry invented “machinery” for efficiency, etc? Get over it people, we don’t live in the 1800’s anymore.

        1. Carriage Horse Lover says:

          Horse power is a renewable resource fossil fuels are not. Fossil fuels pollute and probably contribute to higher rates of cancer and lung disease.- horse power does not.

          Actually using horses for short distance hauls and transportation is beginning to make sense once again. Breweries and even cities and towns in Europe and the UK are using horse-drawn vehicles more and more these days.

          Real horse power is “in” again- you are the one who is “behind the times” now if you think the day of the horse is past. Humans have relied on real horse power for many more thousands of year than the just over 100 years that we have dabbled with fossil fuel powered vehicles.

        2. CEWare says:

          Even if your contentions regarding relevance were accurate (and they are not), well, Lord protect us from those who would consign us all to ONY those activities which are “relevant to the 21st century!!!” In Jesus name I pray, amen.

    2. PeninaD says:

      I agree, sudden death happens to well cared for people too.

  10. animal lover says:

    I wish all of the people who defend this “carriage industry” would just shut up and realize that we are not in the 1800’s anymore. And we don’t need horses to cart us around just for looks. This horse collapsed from exhaustion. Working 9 plus hours a day in the heat, rain and snow is just ridiculous! Give it a rest and give these horses a rest too. Why don’t the people who like this industry try walking themselves! It might do their bodies good. Then when they drop from exhaustion I’ll just say, “everyone dies”. Oh well!

    1. Carriage Horse Lover says:

      This horse was just starting the day. The hrose had not gone very far and was not ‘exhausted.” FYI Horses can walk much farther than people before they are “exhausted.” A horse in good condition can probably walk at an easy spead all day and all night and still not be “exhausted.”

      There is no “carriage industry” and I wish people would stop using that term for non industrial pursuits. The horses and carriages in NYC are owned and/ or driven by individuals, I understand that there are some individuals who whold more than one license and they rent these to others, but I may be wrong aout that. But there is no “industry” no more than there is a “school industry.” Many carriage owners and drivers belong to a professional organization, and I think carriage drivers can join the Teamsters Union- which was originally formed back when commercial drivers all drove horses, not fossill fueled vehicles.

      1. Don't like the "industry" one bit says:

        “There is no “carriage industry” and I wish people would stop using that term ”

        If there is no “carriage industry”, why is there a VP from a NY Horse and Carriage Assoc defending the “industry” (as she herself calls it) above??

        1. Carriage Horse Lover says:

          She is a vice president of a trade association. Individual drivers and owners belong to this association. The teachers have associations so is there an “education industry”?

          I don’t know why people have begun to refer to their line of work as an “industry” unless they think that makes it sound more important or something.

          To me “industry” connotes manufacturing enterprises. I can understand calling automakes the “auto industry” and I could see the six or seven carriage makers in the US wanting to refer to temselves collective as the “carriage industry.” But, fo the life of me, I don’t know why the VP of this association refers to her associationand its members as an “industry.” There is nothing industrial about driving a horse-drawn carriage in my opinion.

          1. CEWare says:

            No, it’s akin to why the AR nuts use the term “factory farm” or “puppy mill”. It is an invented SLUR to give them an excuse to butt into other people’s concerns and talk crap abpout things they are totally ignorant about and exercise their ppenchant for emotional blackmail and appearing the hero. It is intended to make the activity sound grim and the purveyors of it sound cold-hearted. Standard AR fascist rhetoric.

    2. Carla says:

      Please give me the state and # of your vet license so I may verify. Oh, wait, you aren’t a vet? Then saying the horse collapsed and died from exhaustion is an uneducated, unfounded and silly speculation at best. Try thinking. You might like it.

      1. CEWare says:

        Pffffft. Even if they COULD think, they wouldn’t. They’d MUCH rather emote. Just wish that the two percent who are all emotions and no brain weren’t emoting all over the rest of us. 🙁

        Seriously — anyone — find me a single instance in which the “oooooh, the poor widdle horsies” set’s idiocy is based in FACT and not in emotional anthropomorphic ignorance. Just one. You can’t do it. Because the entire AR fantasy is pure emotion. Long on hysteria and utterly lacking in substance.

  11. Kelley says:

    The Carriage Horse Industry is antiquated and it has outlived its useful life. The crowded, traffic-conjested urban streets are no place for horses. It is neither safe nor humane. The bottom line is that most NYC residents want to see a ban to the horse carriage industry, not just the “animal rights activists”. This is not an issue of “activism”, but rather our society and culture has evolved enough to realize that the carriage horse trade is another form of animal exploitation.

    “Carriage Horse Lover” – if the carriage horses have “concerned owners” as you suggest, then why was one found at a slaughter auction in Pennsylvania a little over a year ago? If your idea of a “good home” is a small stall inside a concrete building with NO turnout or space to roll or run(which is how most urban carriage horses live), then your opinion of a “good home” does not consider the needs of a horse.

    I met the former carriage horse, Bobby, who was found at the slaughter auction and permanently retired to a farm upstate, and if he could talk, I would be interested in hearing how he feels about his new home. Call me crazy – but I bet he prefers his quiet days on a farm in an open field with equine companions to his former life pulling a carriage.

    1. Carriage Horse Lover says:

      Oh yes- Bobby-the horse that a carriage driver gave to a farmer with the “understanding’ the farmer would keep and use the horse. The FARMER then decided to sell the horse at an auction, in New Holland I believe, and a kill buyer bought the horse at the auction. The horse, luckily, was recognized by the numbers burned into its hoof as a former NYC carriage horse. The anti-carriage horse people rushed in to buy THAT horse from the kill buyer while they ignored the fates of dozens of others headed to slaughter in the same buyer’s possession. You mean THAT ONE NYC carriage hose? My question- Why didn’t they try to buy and save more horses? We KNOW the answer to that. They wanted to USE Bobby in their fight to ban carriages in NYC. They had no USE for the others, so they just let them be shipped to slaughter.

      And please don’t ascribe human “feelings and emotions” to horses. Horses accept as “normal” the environment in which they are kept. All NYC carriage horses get five weeks off in the country each year.These horses weigh about 1,800 lbs and no human could “make” them do anything they are not willing to do.

      The horse stables in NYC are brick and were built or use as horse stables. they have been retro-fitted with modern box stalls like those found in many of the best boardiing stables. These stalls have auto-waterers for fresh water 24/7, rubber mats under deep straw bedding for comfort and are large enough for these horses to trun around in and lie down in. The stables also have fans and a misting system to keep the horses cool in summer. They have a sprinkler system in case of fire. the NYC carriage horse stables are probably better than 70% of the barn stalls in the USA.

      All a horse “needs” is fresh water, enough good food, regular vet farrier and dental care, vaccinations and the ability to be in the company of and see other horses. Horse do need to be able to move around at least part of the day to aid digestion- which the NYC carriage horses do at least 9 hours a day.

      There are millions of pet, pleasure, show and performance horses that are stalled almost 24/7 without any at liberty turn out. There is no “carriage industry” There ARE individual carriage horse owners and drivers who make their livings providing horse-drawn carriage tours.

      I support banning private motor vehicles instead of the carriages in central NYC and other large citi centeral business districts.. Let people walk, bicycle, use a pedicab or mass transportation to get around the city. Better yet, let them ride in carriages!

      I could go on, but I need to go give my “abused and exploited” carriage horse her third meal of the day and groom her before dark sets in. My poor horse has to be satisfied with a small pasture and a run-in shed becuse I can’t afford to give her the palatial accommodations the NYC carriage horses enjoy. You know, the ones you people find so much fault with all the time.

      1. Kelley says:

        You are living in the dark-ages if you consider that motor vehicles should be banned from business districts so that you can put more carriage horses on the street. That statement says quite a bit about the illogic of your argument.

        If the NYC carriage horses walk the streets for 9 hours a day, then clearly the humane organization that is charged with the oversight of the carriage operators, is not doing its job in ensuring that the horses work no more than 8 hours a day. Another reason why this trade should not be practiced – lack of competent oversight.

        By the way – the Organization that now is home to Bobby, the NYC carriage horse that was nearly sold to slaughter, is home to 82 other equines. In their history they have rescued thousands. They are doing their part to rescue and prevent further neglect and abuse, as are numerous other not-for-profit organizations. The bottom line is that if the carriage horse operators (god-forbid I use the phrase “carriage horse industry”), were doing their part, Bobby and numerous others (because we know that most operators are smart enough to remove the four-digit license plate from the hooves before sending them to the “country”) would NEVER have made it to the auction.

        The carriage horse operators should find another way to make a living, not off the backs of horses. The fact that our society still wants to defend making a living off of other sentient, living beings, says a lot about our humanity – or lack thereof.

        1. Carriage Horse Lover says:

          By your logic every corporation should be disolved because the owners and stockholders make their living off the hard labor of their often-underpaid and over-worked employees- ever heard of Wal-Mart?

          It was my understanding that the horses are allowed to work a 9-hour shift, but maybe it is only an 8-hour shift.

          I do not work in NYC. I own a small livery service that does mostly weddings and other “special events.” But I am well aware that the people who oppose the NYC carriages are really against any of us who have a horse-drawn livery service.

          I also suspect they are aginst anyoen riding a horse either because by their own admission they are working to end the use of horses and “will not stop until every horse is pastured.”

  12. Susan Wagner says:

    The urban carriage horse trade in New York City and other large over-crowded cities in the US must be banned. This is yet another tragic end to a magnificent horse’s life who should never have been working the streets of NYC to begin with. It’s just not civilized. It is cruel and inhumane. While the reasons for this poor horse’s death are being analyzed, there is nothing to prevent healthy carriage horses who just cannot work any longer from being sold for slaughter.
    The NYC carriage horse operators refer to their horses as “business assets,” but that should not be the case. Until the Bloombergs and the Quinns are replaced with reasonable people who finally are in a the position to help put an end this horrendous business once and for all, there needs to be a program in place that any equine used in the NYC carriage horse trade be turned over to an outside agency or non-profit humane organization that would be put in charge or retiring these animals into kind homes. They should be prohibited from being re-sold to other carriage horse operations in other states or sent to auction where they could end up being sold for slaughter. Susan Wagner, President, Equine Advocates

    1. Carriage Horse Lover says:

      This is sure a bad piece of legislation. Ever heard of private property rights?

      I am proud to have a carriage livery service! I bet one of the NYC carriage horses would love to come down live here once it needed to retire from daily work in the city.

      I would love to have one of these fine horses to use with my wedding carriage and special event livery service. In return for “working” a couple hours a few days a month, a former NYC carriage horse could enjoy loafing around in a country pasture most of the time with other horses. Of course, it would not have the modern modular stall, rubber mats, auto waterer, sprinkler system and fan misting system it enjoys in NYC.

      But it would live “in the country” and be “free” to roam the pasture when not working – about 90% of the time is free time here.

      But wait- “concerned” people like you are working hard to see that this would not be an option. I guess you would rather see them dead than working.

  13. Carriage Horse Lover says:

    Gee- This article was just a “little” biased- don’t ya think? Lots of quotes from the anti-carriage peeps and live links to the anti-carriage groups’ websites- BUT NONE at all from the pro-carriage people or from the carriage drivers’ association or even from the owner of the horse.

    EVERY living thing on earth dies- eventually including carriage horses, carriage horse supporters and those who oppose carriage horses. Get a grip. This horse’s death had NOTHING to do with ‘abuse” or “cruelty.”

    And FYI the carriages are not “flimsy” or “rickety” and the carriage driver did not cause this horse to die. All you RARAs (Radical Animal Rights Advocates) need to give it a rest and show come compassion for one of your fellow human beings.

    A carriage horse owner suddently lost his/ her beloved companion and coworker. I don’t know anyone who works closely with horses who is unaffected when one dies- especially when one dies unexpectedly for no apparent “reason.”

    That driver is suffering, and all you people do is hurl insults and spew lies about the carriage drivers and their horses. I urge anyone who wants to learn more about the carriage drivers and their horses to go to Youtube and look at videos posted by StopLiesSeeTruth. Take time to learn the truth about the carriage horses.

    1. Ceware says:

      Preach it, sister. And amen.

      My condolences and my heart go out to all who loved this lovely horse (none of whom are to be found in the ranks of those agitating to ban carriages from NYC. That’s most assuredly not love of horses. Love of their own inflated egos, most assuredly, but not love of horses.)

  14. Rina Deych, RN says:

    The other day, I was at community board meeting to discuss the proposed ban on horse carriages in New York. An industry thug sitting next to me made snide remarks throughout the event, accusing me of caring more for animals than people. I politely explained to him that I’ve been a registered nurse for 32 years, and have devoted my entire life to helping people. When someone commented that Elizabeth Forel, head of the Coalition to Ban Horse Carriages, could not be there because she was ill with pneumonia, he turned to me and said “good, good for her.” I said to him ” … and you accuse ME of being anti-human! Clearly, you don’t care about animals OR people. ” There was a woman there who claimed to be an “animal nutritionist.” She stated that she gets “on them [the drivers] all the time to feed the horses properly.” Gee, if these thugs know as much as they claim to about horses, shouldn’t they be feeding them the proper diet without someone having to “get on them?” And no one could tell me why, if they don’t drop dead from illness or exhaustion, these horses are so often, at the end of their “usefulness,” sold at auction and transported to Canada and Mexico where they die a horrific death in a slaughterhouse (as their “reward” for a lifetime – or several lifetimes – of toiling for man). This abominable industry has to be banned. Horses don’t belong in NYC traffic, period..

    1. Carriage Horse Lover says:

      Rina- You need to learn the Truth. Carriage horses are NOT sent to slaughter in Canada or Mexico, but thousands of former pleasure hroses, show hrses and pet horse end up there every year. I challenge you to go watch the videos on Youtube posted on the channel owned by StopLiesSeeTruth.

      And why do you think it is “proper” to label someone a “thug” just because he is a member of a profession you don’t approve of? FYI- The carrige horses of NYC have an official retirement home now at Blue Star Equiculture. Go check out their site.

      As a nurse, you should be concerned about the effects all the polution from fosil fuel use is having on people. Horses are the original “green’ transportation. We need more horse-drawn vehicles and fewer fossil fueled vehicles in our crowded city centers.

      1. Not a troll lover says:

        Because he acted like a d-bag?

  15. daria john says:

    When will the Bloomberg administration have the diplomacy to care enough to stop this dangerous and inhumane industry. This seedy industry that has managed to maintain their hold on the NY political administration where accidents and human injuries are easily explained away and swept under the carpet. Our administration accepts it’s utterly cruel and inhumane practices. The handful of people that pocket money off of the will of voiceless horse, is representative of the lowest common denominator of human nature. Selfish, greedy, cruel, no compassion, and bullies. And this administration (Mayor Bloomberg & Christine Quinn) supports them with a proud smile. It is safe to say the apple does not fall far from the tree.

    1. Carriage Horse Lover says:

      There is no “carriage horse industry.” There are carriage horse owners and drivers, who are concerned about and care for their horses. In return for their work, these horses are given the best of care, vet and farrier service and a clean dry stall with plenty of fresh water, feed and hay as required.

      Stop repeating lies. Go learn about the real lives of carriage horses and their owners- these are hardworking animals and people who are NOT GETTING RICH while doing their jobs. The horse-drawn carriages ad to the charm of the city. Fossil fueled busses, trucks and cars do not.

      Let’s ban fossil fueled vehicles from the centers of our cities and improve the quality of life for EVERYONE – horses, drivers, residents, tourists and city fauna and flora. Learn the truth. Watch videos on Youtube posted by StopLiesSeeTruth.

  16. fact says:

    People have heart attacks, and drop over dead.They didn’t know it was comming.Everything dies. How can you blame the driver?I’m sure if he knew the horse was ill, it would have been taken care of,after all thats how he earns a living.You people cry about horses, than human beings. If the driver collapsed you wouldn’t even comment. Personally, I think its nice to see the horses.I think we should ban the cars and cabs’ and have more horses. At least I wouldn’t be breathing in exaust from cars all day long

    1. Malber says:

      Nicely said, fact.

    2. Carriage Horse Lover says:

      You are so right! No one has died or gotten cancer as a result of horse manure odor (which isn’t strong and dissapates quickly), but fossil fuel exhaust has dozens of cancer-causing agents in it.

      More carriage horses, fewer motorized vehicles would improve air quality in the cities tremendously.

  17. nrichard says:

    Horses have been bred to pull things – they have been working animals for centuries – and they can have massive heart attacks that kill them just a a person can. Horse and carriage rides are not barbaric – it is the people who run them and don’t take care of the animals that are barbaric.

  18. michaelbocian says:

    This is all on rich boy the mayor who just wants to attract more “money” (his middle name) to the city by keeping alive an old dumb tradition that is a travesty of arrogance on horses. The people of NY really don’t want to see this crap anymore it’s just the tourist industry which governs this act of obvious abuse.

    Get it together you capitalist pigs and keep the innocent out of it. As for all the drunk looking carriage horse drivers …. go to school and join society.

    1. Malber says:

      Yup, get it together, capitalist pigs. If life slowed down a bit and we all stopped rushing to consume, there’d be more room on the streets for horse-drawn carriages and less need for thousands of cabs, trucks, and cars.

      And yes, just make everyone get the same business degree and get all the jobs waiting to be filled by graduates. And make everyone look and dress the same. Monotony rules!

  19. Debbie says:

    As has been voiced elsewhere in response to this sad event, healthy horses do not just drop dead. If this animal was that close to death, there would have been signs that he was in distress and the driver is negligent for not noticing (or caring if he did).

    1. Carriage Horse Lover says:

      Apparently healthy horses and people DO “just drop dead.” A massive coronary event or a blood clot or an anyurism can cause sudden death.

      Every year there are at least a half dozen stories about healthy young athletes dying suddenly during athletic competitions- especially football ad basketball games.

    2. Carriage Horse Lover says:

      WRONG- Apparently healthy people and horses DO die unexpectedly without warning. Just go read about Chance acarriage horse in Frankenmuth, MI who died in just that same way in Sept 2011- of an anurism- His necropsy has come back and that was the cause of his death. Just to a search for chance in Frankenmurth.

      1. CEWare says:

        Not only that, but in the case of aneurisms, whether aortic or in the brain, where you are and what you do for aliving matters not one whit. If it is large enough and or in the right (wrong) location — when it blows, you go. Not a clue one second, dead a few seconds later, whether you are trotting down the street headed for the park, or laying asleep in the sun in a bucolic pasture upstate.
        BTW — you’ll be pleased to know that, unlike many of the posters here, I am actually talking from knowledge, not out my ass. I work in a medical profession. Nearly 30 years of hands-on, real-life, genuine experience. Novel thought, eh??

  20. Donny Moss says:

    The suffering and deaths could have been prevented if City Council Speaker Christine Quinn had not abused her power by undemocratically killing the popular bills to take these horses out of harm’s way to appease her donors.

  21. Skirt says:

    Once more, residents and visitors to New York City must see the pitiful photos of a majestic horse lying dead on a midtown Manhattan street. Slow-moving, flimsy carriages have no place on the crowded 21st-century streets of New York City. We do not yet know the horses name, or the cause of death. What we do know, however, is the New York City cannot be made safe for horses pulling carriages. The recent legislation (previously known as Intro. 35) was a sham bill to justify a pay raise for the drivers, but it masqueraded as a bill to improve things for the horses. It did not. The law now calls for stall sizes that less than one-half of those recommended by the New York State Horse Health Assurance Program, which bases its recommendations on minimum standards to ensure horse health and well-being. New York City carriage horses live in multistory warehouses, sometimes in cramped tie stalls on upper floors that must be reached by a steep ramp. That describes West Side Livery (538 W. 38th Street). I encourage all to go and take a look at that building and then decide if that is how a horse should live. Carriage horses are tools to the industry; when their earning power diminishes, they are dumped–and current law allows them to be dumped at kill-buyer auctions for slaughter. So to all of the nitwits who crawl out to comment that the horses would go to “the glue factory,” wise up–that is already happening. Currently introduced legislation–such as the bill from state Sen. Tony Avella and Assemblymember Linda Rosenthal–contains explicit language mandating the humane retirement of NYC carriage horses to sanctuary; the bill would amend the city law to ban horse-drawn carriages in New York City. But really, it is very simple–the time to ban horse-drawn carriages in NYC is long past. New York City looks stupid to the rest of the world for endorsing the exploitation of horses for a buck.

    1. Carriage Horse Lover says:

      NO ONEis exploiting these horses- that is just your opinion. These carriage horses are working horses with concerned owners and good homes. You need to worry about the thousands of horses slowly starving to death out in the country becasue their owners have lost their jobs and can’t afford the expense of keeping a horse any more.

  22. Mara says:

    This is so sad. Poor poor horse. Ban the barbaric horse and carriage trade. These beautiful animals should not be having to pull stupid tourists through the streets and park. Rest in Peace beautiful boy. Now you are free.

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