Donohue Says 70 Million Of His Voters Ready To Alter Presidential Election

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — Catholic leaders upped the ante Monday, threatening to challenge the Obama administration over a provision of the new health care law that would require all employers, including religious institutions, to pay for birth control.

As CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer reports, it could affect the presidential elections.

Catholic leaders are furious and determined to harness the voting power of the nation’s 70 million Catholic voters to stop a provision of President Barack Obama’s new heath car reform bill that will force Catholic schools, hospitals and charities to buy birth control pills, seo services, abortion-producing drugs and sterilization coverage for their employees.

“Never before, unprecedented in American history, for the federal government to line up against the Roman Catholic Church,” said Catholic League head Bill Donohue.

Already Archbishop Timothy Dolan has spoken out against the law and priests around the country have mobilized, reading letters  from the pulpit. Donohue said Catholic officials will stop at nothing to put a stop to it.

“This is going to be fought out with lawsuits, with court decisions, and, dare I say it, maybe even in the streets,” Donohue said.

But pro-choice groups said they will fight the church and fight for the right of employees of Catholic institutions to have birth control and other services paid for.

“The Catholic hierarchy seems to be playing a cynical game of chicken and they don’t seem to care that the health and well being of millions of American woman are what’s at stake here,” National Abortion Rights Action League President Andrea Miller said.

Catholic leaders hope they will have more sway with the White House than usual because it is a presidential election year, hoping that if even a small percentage of Catholics back Obama’s opponent it could cost him the election.

When asked if this issue would affect who he would vote for in November, Wilton, Conn., resident Peter Taylor said, “Potentially, yes. I think it is a very serious issue, very meaningful.”

But not everyone views the situation as dire.

“I would certainly vote for Obama anyway. The church has to get up to date,” Manhattan resident Sue Thomas said.

Sources told Kramer that American bishops are contemplating a massive march on Washington, using people and school kids bused in from all over to protest the law.

Please offer your thoughts in the comments section below …

Comments (2,457)
  1. D.Stahurski says:

    NARAL claims to be concerned for women’s health, yet has no problem with torturously killing 1.3 million American babies every year (half of which are future ‘women’ whom NARAL claims they care for.
    As for the woman claiming that the Church has to get up to date…Maybe she needs to get ‘back’ to the teachings of Christ. They have stood the test of time, not our present selfish attitude.

    1. C.Easton says:

      because the church or “teachings of Christ” has never been involved in the harming of children….Right?!?!

      1. Nobama in 2012 says:

        Citing a failing of some of the Church’s leaders does not negate the relevance of D.Stahurski’s argument nor the teachings of the Church itself. .

        1. W Joe Deshotel says:

          it also doesn’t negate the fact that providing birth control reduces the number of abortions

          1. Avery Goodman says:

            Catholic church is not alone on this issue.

            Tax payers are also angry about paying for baby killing.

            Ignorance of what is written in the tax law is no excuse for funding murder of innocents.

            1. Miller says:

              Chemically, birth control aborts the child by preventing the fetus from attaching to the walls of the uterus. Hence users of birth control are aborting the fertilized egg.

              Please do not think that birth control prevents fertilization, it controls the birth, that is it aborts the child.

              1. Scarletworm says:

                Well said Miller- a lot of people don’t realize that they are aborting their children rather than preventing them with birth control. It is time that the Catholic Church take a more active role in educating its flock and protecting them from a government out of control. Trust me- this is only the beginning of the persecution.

                1. Dan Alderson says:

                  Well I for one am not gonna take it. I hope it is war in the streets, I bought everything on this list to prepare! Bring it Government!


              2. anna says:

                You might want to do a little more research on modern BCP’s. If used correctly, BCP’s actually prevent the ovaries from even releasing an egg to be fertilized. The secondary effect is slowing the endometrial lining growth in the uterus. If a person does not take the BCP’s as directed and the ovaries do release an egg and that egg is fertilized, then it is possible that the egg may not be able to properly attach to the uterine lining. The key word is PROPERLY. It will still attach, however, there would be a slightly higher (less than 5%) chance of miscarriage during the first trimester.

                1. hmm says:

                  You bring up some good points, BUT modern, “low-dosage” birth control pills often allow the reales of the egg; since the uterine lining is more “slippery” this prevents implantation of the fertilized egg – and results in a very early term abortion.

                2. Michelle says:

                  Very true. People should do research on how the birth control pill works without screaming abortion. The problem in this country is that people can’t think for themselves

            2. Barry says:

              “Tax payers are also angry about paying for baby killing.”

              I’ve been angry about the vast amount the right spends on whatever they want, including pocketing large amounts. But you know, I’ve never seen a right-winger who cared.

          2. JM says:

            Birth control is a form of abortion.

            1. Emily Robinson says:

              Oh please! Birth control stops abortion and is needed!

              1. Joseph says:

                Birth control literally is abortion. The “pill” has a chemical in it that stops the FERTILIZED egg from adhering to the uterine wall. That human embryo is aborted.

              2. Jacob Timothy Michael Hughes says:

                Actually, the rate of abortion RISES with the rate of contraception.

          3. Madmax says:

            Then why do we have more and more abortions each year.

            1. Mr.Squiggles says:

              Because a liberal/progressive, eugenics driven political process has enabled legal abortion and (as such) “abortion has become a form of birth control”.

            2. cmoak says:

              We have more abortions each year due to the survival of women who conceive and who conceive multiple times, using abortions as another form of birth control in some cases, due to the failure rate of birth control pills or to their neglect. Some of that failure is attributable to the young women missing a pill or pills. Some to the pills lack of efficacy.

          4. reapwhatyousow says:

            so does raising your kids with a moral upbringing

          5. Rose says:

            No, the fact is: many contraceptives, actually most of them, are themselves abortifacients…so birth control only reduces the number of surgurical abortions..not overall abortions. Women taking the pill don’t realize they can still conceive a baby which will not be able to attach and grow in the uterus, but is just discarded by the body like a waste product. Birth control through contraceptives means is just nothing more than a big fat lie.

          6. Doug says:

            Birth control IS abortion and vice versa, abortion IS birth control. Aborting at the molecular level is as much, “birth control” as partial birth abortion, signed into law by Bill clinton. That is, allowing the head to emerge and sticking scissors into the base of the brain. Why is it any different when the child is living on a microscopic level?

          7. IAmOnetruth says:

            The facts would prove otherwise. Since the advent of widely used birth control, abortions have risen. We also need to acknowledge the fact that many forms of so-called birth control are actually abortifacient.

        2. orlandocajun says:

          We can always rely on a liberal idiot/atheist to site something irrelevant to the topic. But, don’t despair…Obama will miraculously overturn his decision in time for the election so he doesn’t alienate 70 million Catholics. And, many of them will be stupid enough to vote for him again.

          1. Emily Robinson says:

            I amnot stupid very intelligent and will vote for Obama again and I pray the Lord Jesus continutes to show our President favor and excitedly await his reelction. Amen:)

            1. Infidel says:

              How dare anyone call you stupid for voting for Obama–you’re not stupid; you’re a seditious socialist. You need to live in a country that supports his ideals–try Russia for starters.

            2. QueenofSheba says:

              Emily, please share with us why you would vote for the white house occupant again.
              Like you I pray but my prayer is very different.
              I pray the Lord Jesus places a wall of fire between the teleprompter reader and the election so he cannot get through.

            3. TruthRules says:

              And, would you have continued to vote for Hitler – just wondering?

      2. bub says:

        these are people, not the church, stupid.

      3. Steve Neely says:

        Really, the “teachings of Christ” support “harming of children”? Who knew?


      4. Danny B says:

        Let’s take a look at the teachings of Jesus about children!

        Luke 18:15-17
        New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)
        15 People were also bringing babies to Jesus to have him touch them. When the disciples saw this, they rebuked them. 16 But Jesus called the children to him and said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 17 I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”

        Matthew 18:5-7
        New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)
        5 “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6 But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

        7 “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but woe to the man through whom they come!

        Perhaps someone like Hiltler has perverted the teachings of Christ in an attempt to justify hurting children…

        Jesus also said…

        Matthew 7:15-23
        New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)
        15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
        21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

        That’s what Jesus has to say!

      5. Holly J. Harrington says:

        So how come Benedict XVI is the only leader resolving the issue of child abuse. I dont see the Public Sector doing this. As I understand it their teachers go to the “rubber room” and get full pay. So how do explain that?

        1. hmm says:

          Their teachers have a union. the union has puh-lenty of $$$$$.
          The $$$$ buys good media coverage of things the union does not like (like catholicism) and helps cover up things the union does not want well-known.

          BTW public schools/districts as publicly funded entities are very hard to sue. However, the catholic Church is a very, very easy target because the Bishop is a centralized owner and authority in any diocese. Suing the Church is also very big money — just ask trial lawyers. By teh way, trial lawyers donate heavily to the DNC. Ask John Edwards.

      6. Madmax says:

        Christ dosen’t hurt anyone. It is only people who hurt other people. You know, like killing little unborn babies. Right!!!!!

      7. Willy says:

        My wife is a Catholic–you sure don’t sound like one with your anti-semitic crap. Don’t make us look bad, just keep your ignorant mouth shut. And since when do Jews ride Japanese motorcycles?

      8. Civility towards others says:

        Don’t insult Jesus! He was a peaceful man.

        Only time Jesus became angry is when he was whipping the money changers out of the temple.

        He tried to free us all from the drudgery of following all the rules, rules that were very difficult on women especially.

        What if people insulted Esther by calling her a vicious beast who betrayed her husband and inspires the holiday Purim that promotes violence?

      9. Ernestine S. Bonicelli says:

        Right. Any person who harms a child does not do it with the approval of Jesus Christ or God. Absolutely not. They have chosen to violate God’s word.

    2. Catholic4aReason says:

      You are more than welcome to “trust [your] conscience,” but I must ask: what formed your conscience? You, a fallible human? Does watching the local news form your conscience? Reading a novel? How do you know what’s right or wrong? What’s true? Perhaps maybe, just maybe, God put a mechanism in place to help us CORRECTLY form our consciences. It’s called divine revelation, which has been passed down faithfully for 2,000+ years.

      1. DarthEVaderCheney says:

        Well, doggone, here’s something else to keep you anti-abortion people bitching: Proposition 8 in CA ruled unconstitutional! AGAIN!!! Bitch away!!!

        1. Disgusted says:

          Prop 8 is disgusting!!!

    3. Daisy says:

      ME Brownell,

      Could you be more pretentious? Sounds like you’re content to let your stubborn willfulness rule your life ‘onto death’.

      1. DarthEVaderCheney says:

        CA Proposition 8 ruled UNconstitutional…AGAIN!!! Now you have something else to bitch about!!!

    4. LTCB says:

      I don’t give a hoot about women’s healthcare when they try to use that as the excuse to murder children. I’m not Catholic and never have been; but, I support this and other church’s rights to NOT participate in the murder of children on moral grounds. This is NOT EVEN CLOSE to the issue of race except for the fact that the Demoncratic gestapo are using it to murder MORE black children by percent than whites. These clinics are more often found in low income areas than high income areas. Ever wonder what those food stamps are paying for? It isn’t always food.

    5. Catherine says:

      I’m a Catholic married woman.

      I am against birth control. I stand with Christ (who yes, He did teach against birth control and abortion) and I stand with my bishops.

      And, check your grammar.

    6. Jim in Houston says:

      What she ignores is the fact that we Catholics care about unborn children more than the so called “Women’s Health Issue”. It is a NON-ISSUE, if they want birth control let them pay for it themselves and not expect me to pay for something against my religious beliefs. Perhaps she and O’Blamer should take a look at the constitution. They are always free use the Catholic approved method of birth control – an aspirin held tightly between the knees.

    7. EllieEnlightened says:

      People who say they are atheists are misled. Do you know why people believe that? Because they don’t want to believe in God. Because they don’t want any accountability and they want to do exactly what they want to do. I wonder how many people would suddenly be able to believe in God if they thought they could live the way they are living right now and not have to change it and still believe in God. People don’t want to believe in God because they don’t want anybody having any control or authority over their lives. They want to do what they want to do when they want to do it. And that is why we have all this junk going on in the world today. All these new age things and people are making up their own stinking religions that it is not a religion at all just so they can do what they please. Let me tell you something Judgment Day is coming and God is alive and well and we are going to stand before him.

      Joyce Meyer

      1. KyBl says:

        Where did you pull that from???

        Ever notice that peoples interpretations of God/Chirst/Yaweah/Allah etc.. seem to fit seamlessly in with their own personal beliefs? Quit using the idea of God to push your narrow minded beliefs on everyone else. And threatening people with “Judgement day” if they do not do what you command or what you believe the almighty commands.. My good god, I bet you have never even read the bible cover to cover or even understand the teachings of Christ.

        1. Ben says:

          I don’t know if Joyce will respond, but here are at least two place where she could “pull that from.”

          John 12:44-50 (NASB)
          [44] And Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in Me, does not believe in Me but in Him who sent Me. [45] “He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me. [46] “I have come as Light into the world, so that everyone who believes in Me will not remain in darkness. [47] “If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. [48] “He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. [49] “For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak. [50] “I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told Me.”

          Acts 17:30-31 (NASB)
          [17:30] “Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, [31] because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”

          1. SueEllen says:

            Just don’t take the government’s money – then y’all can do what you want. simply turn down the government funding.

            1. Kim says:

              SueEllen, it is not about taking the government’s money (which they get from taxpayers, many of whom are Catholic, by the way), it is about the government taking the church’s money in the form of fines for not paying for insurance plans that provide something that the Catholic church is against. The federal government has NO place forcing ANYONE to buy something that is against the very tenants of their faith, period!

      2. Willis says:

        Makes sense to me. It really is that simple. It is difficult for so many to embrace the Lord and His teachings, it is much “easier” to sin and ignore the scripture.

        1. KyBl says:

          Its pretty easy to ignore a book that was written 2000 years ago by a bunch of un-educated men that did not know the earth was round. But maybe that is just me.

          I dis-miss the scripture in the same way you probably dis-miss the book of mormon. Because its silly.

          1. Ben says:

            Yes, it’s just you. There is no teaching in the Bible that either contradicts the roundness of the earth, or affirms a flatness of the earth.

            And, while you are clearly much more “ed-ucated” than all of those “un-educated” men of times past; your skillful use of logical argumentation, the conclusion of which being “because it’s silly,” has not convinced me to renounce all that I have come to believe about God and His word 🙂

            Before you “dis-miss” the Bible, you might consider the fact that its formal use of logical argumentation is clearly superior to anything I have seen you present here thus far. But, hey, maybe I’m just being silly 😉

          2. Malbuff says:

            Yes, it’s just you. You’re an idiot.

      3. Anti-christ says:

        You fools who believe in god are the ones who don’t want accountability. Worship Him on Sunday and he’s cool with whatever, just worship Him. LOL! Gawd I despise your hypocrisy.

        1. Joseph says:

          Look, I’m sorry you don’t understand. The Church teaches us not to be “Sunday Mass Catholics.” We can’t just go to Mass and be OK, it doesn’t work like that.
          I know there are a lot of Christians who don’t practice their faith correctly. Please don’t judge us all by those few.

    8. Catholic Girl says:

      I agree completely, the NARAL says they have women’s health in mind, yet birth control is a group 1 carcinogen, taking birth control is like drinking arsenic every day, birth control and abortions drastically increase risk for breast cancer.

      1. Holly J. Harrington says:

        Amen child on your superb education regarding birth control. God Bless you in your endeavors regarding life issues.

      2. Dell says:

        Please site the source of your contention that birth control pills are the equivalent of arsenic. ( a group 1 carcinogen).

        1. L. Flaherty says:

          Try the IARC Monograph 100A. There is the data you are requesting for a source on birth control being listed as a group one carcinogen., in other words shown to increase breast cancer and ovarian cancer. Scroll down to those specific cancers and read about all of the studies… There are many. It also increaseses the risk for liver cancer. I am not sure which IARC Monograph that is in. There are other IARC Monographs that list more data, but this is what I was able to put my finger on very quickly. There is plenty of evidence, but Planned Parenthood, drug companies and those who don’t want the general
          public to know the truth about the dangerous chemicals we are polluting our bodies and water supply with DON’T want you to know…..follow the money!

          1. lam says:

            You people need to understand that this is not about the Catholic Church anymore. This about the first amendent protections being trampled by the government. Just like Bush passed the unconstitutional patriot act which Obama also OK’ed. It is as unconstitutional as Obama’s latest legislation that slipped through… (the Christmas/new year bill that was passed on the QT, hush hush) where Obama insisted that the government could arrest anyone, including american citizens and lock them up with out a stated charge, a hearing, or a trial for as long as they want. Or the bill that gives the POTUS sole authority to shut down the internet for 120 days (for the good of the people of course!) And now the legislation being debated behind closed doors because it is classified as to how the government wants to control the internet on a regular basis…(you know being able to track people and things like that…the stuff that google makes easier for you?) Just like the healthcare Pelosi said, “you’ll just have to pass the bill to read what’s in it. Or the biggest joke of all…The state of the union address where the POTUS said that the executive branch is just too antiquated and the congress needs to give him more power so he can pass the things he feels are best for the entire country. I suppose he is so much smarter than us. After all he has flaunted his college QPA and he speaks so eloquently from a teleprompter. And the biggest clincher for me is the fact that this man that no one knew actually was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for doing absolutely nothing. What an incredibly wonderful man he is supposed to be. But go back to sleep people, When you wake up all your rights will be gone, no big deal, right? Who needs to have their rights protected by the constitution, particularly the ones that don’t pertain to you.

    9. anne nimtz says:

      Yes I agree this generation has been brain washed. they67 are told everything againgt Jesus and God and are selfish,they dont work use dope and most cant even think for themselves.If they had some morals they wouldnt need birth control. come back to Jesus and repent then you will be safe from GODS wrath for it is coming. Just think might have aborted the one that was to be the loving of people president to get us out of this mess.a baby is put there by G(OD and mothers should be happy to be one not working and not home taking care of our children.I know I wasone who was selfish at times but Ive repented and see what it did to my children.Im saved by GODS grace thru Jesus and he helped me tyurn my life abn is something you never get over. if you have any love in your heart,that is. I never had aborted a baby even when my baby was born with a hole in her heart I took care of her until she died after open heart surgery at 2 yrs.I there are soany women out there who want a baby and cant have one.if you dont want it give it up for adoption at least you wont be guilty of murder then birth control pills are dangerous and dont always work.

    10. Allen Miller says:

      I agree, since when did the Bible need to be brought up to date. I thought christ did a pretty good job explaining it the first time and its very clear about what it says about this entire issue. Since when does man have a right to change the teaching of Christ to fit their own needs.

    11. wthigoitc says:

      In Germany, they came first for the Jews, and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak out because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak for me.

      1. Emily Robinson says:

        I am a God Fearing Caholic I love my church and all its faults. I love my President with allhis faults and pray that God continues to show favor and that Barack Obama who is not attaching the Catholic Church is reelected President 4 more years. 🙂

    12. Christine Lord says:

      Beautiful. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

      1. Ernestine S. Bonicelli says:


    13. patti says:

      Christ also taught us to treat the body as a temple. And to love others as we love ourselves. How can we talk of being unselfish in our responsibility to care for ourselves, while we condone murdering our unborn? And expect the Church to pay for it?! The contradiction is an outrage!

      1. Ernestine S. Bonicelli says:


    14. ADNAWRR says:

      you are so right

    15. Judy C says:

      If that woman is saying the church needs to get up to date, and we are the body of Christ here on earth, then she is saying God needs to get up to date!!! MY QUESTION IS; WITH WHOM? A mere mortal who is reliant on the very breathe God enables her to take. Who does she think she is?

    16. Emily Robinson says:

      I love the Lord Jesus Christ and follow His teachings… I love and will vote for the Best Man for the job of President and that is Barack Obama. The greatest commandment is to Love the Lord with your whole heart and soul, the sencon is to love your neighbor as yourself all the laws hang on these two commandemnets. Obama 2012 is Jesus name I pray!

    17. John B. says:

      Reuters reported that 98% of sexually active Catholic women use a form of contraception outlawed by the Catholic church. I think the church needs to get with the times and listen to the parishoners. The church is out of their mind if they think they have a 70 million voted bloc on this issue!!!!

    18. Charlie says:

      I understand that these health plans must also provide coverage for blood transfusions. Well, Jehovah’s Witnesses are opposed to blood transfusions, so may be the health insurers shouldn’t have to cover blood transfusions. May be we should also check with the Christian Scientists, and find out what procedures they are opposed to, so that employer-provided health insurance doesn’t have to cover any procedure that the Christian Scientists are opposed to… what? The Christian Scientists are against ALL modern science? Well, then, I think employer provided health insurance should cover… it can cover paying a priest to pray for you, right?

    19. S. Popowich says:

      Thank you and well stated. The teachings of Christ have NOT harmed children but the perversion of those teachings by a few priests. That stated, the Church wishes to protect ALL human life, while NAREL only seeks to ‘protect’ a small portion of society and from a very selfish point of view by harming a fellow human being, the very child a woman carries…go figure. Who would have thought that “in order to protect life we must take life”…that doesn’t sound like Christ’s teaching to me at all.

  2. phillysmart says:

    This is nothing new…there has been a war on Christianity for over 2 thousand years and it continues today…they are afraid of our belief system …they nailed a man to the cross because of what he was preaching over 2,000 years ago…for some reason people are afraid of christian beliefs…do you believe in the devil?

    1. Roger Fedder says:

      The obvious thing for the church to do now is to ask potential employees if they believe in birth control during the interview process and not hire those who do.
      Time to get dirty and fight back against the egomaniac in the White House.

      1. ImaHippyBurning says:

        Absolutely right! I am not a very religious person but Christianity and its values are continually persecuted by the left in this country. If they are going to demand birth control payments using my tax dollars than I demand forced sterilization to stop the rats from procreating in the first place…

        1. Matt says:

          you can not kill rats in DC anymore. Pest control companies have to tap them and theybring them to Virginia. You can’t kill a rat, a dog or cat. But you have to pay to kill a kid or get jailed.

          1. Cathy says:

            Insanity in America. Killing babies is easier than buying a car.

            1. Geoff says:

              It sure is, everything is going to hell in a hand basket. I saw that show on National Geographic called Doomsday Preppers and I am starting to think they aren’t crazy! I am gonna start collecting all the supplies they recommend!

              1. Dog says:

                Make sure you get a gun, junk silver, and a 50 lbs bag of beans

                1. Hi ho silver says:

                  Church is not alone.

                  Tax payers are also angry about paying for baby killing.
                  GOOGLE EXCLUDED INCOME

                  Ignorance of the law is no excuse for funding murder.

                  Obey the God of truth. Mammon is not your friend.

          2. melissa says:

            I honestly bellieve the world has gone crazy

            1. Nora says:

              Melissa, I agree completely. I’m a recovered catholic, also pro-choice, but I will march in the streets with the church, if it comes to that. This is an outright attack on our religious freedoms as stated in the First Amendment of the Constitution – that document that BO and Ruth Bader Ginsberg think is irrelevant and outdated. How interesting that they each took an oath to preserve, protect and defend it….

              1. reflectiong says:

                This Baptist will join you in the streets. This insanity must stop!

              2. beebee1 says:

                I’m pro-choice and an atheist (but also a strong supporter of our Constitution), and I agree that this is a reprehensible attack on freedom of religion.

                1. ADNAWRR says:

                  YOU DONT SOUND LIKE AN ATHIEST, YOU SOUND LIKE A CHRISTIAN THAT CARES AS JESUS DOES, MAY I PLEASE PRAY FOR YOU, IF beebee doesnt see or respond to this help me find beebee

              3. Allison says:

                Nora – I couldn’t agree with you more. As a lapsed Catholic this has awakened me big time. There is NO REASON to require anyone pay for something that goes against their moral beliefs. And they are not denying women healthcare, just objecting to paying for it. It you want birth control and your employer wont pay for it then pay for it yourself or go work somewhere else!

              4. Ernestine S. Bonicelli says:

                Lied through their teeth when they took that oath, deliberately, on purpose. And that is the majority of our “leadership” today in this country – people who have no problem whatsoever with lying to reach their goals. A far cry from the signers of the declaration of independance who pledged their fortunes, their lives and their sacred honor. They had rather die than be in bondage to a monarch, let alone to live a life of lying and deceit. It’s hard to believe we have come so far.

          3. Machismo says:

            If they allowed killing Rats in D.C., then we would not have many politicians left after the extermination was made. Pest control is for the Citizens that do not follow along.

          4. Lbaker says:

            @Matt’s Rats…..very quick Matt! In a bizarre way, very profound, too. You CAN’T kill a rat in DC, but you can kill babies. The truth never changes.

        2. mimem says:

          AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are so right…. stop this plague on America that sucks the very life out of every city with all the give away programs and welfare, wick, food stamps. disability cks… GET A JOB LIKE EVERYONE ELSE AND WORK AND SCRAPE TO LIVE DAY TO DAY… INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR THE NEXT HAND OUT! CRAP I’ve hat it!

        3. NotMarried says:

          It has been done before in this country. I shudder to think that the blind will follow this president to the voting booths in November this year at the expense of their own freedom and mine.

          1. Steve says:

            I shudder to think what our founding father’s would think of the monster America has become.

          2. Mary Dolan says:

            It’s all about rights. If we lose freedom of Religion, it won,t be long before we lose freedom to bear arms etc, etc. Also birth control pills fail alot and so the natural result will be abortion. Most women regret abortions as do men. After all they are our own children. Mary

          3. Mary Dolan says:

            It’s all about rights. If we lose freedom of Religion, it won,t be long before we lose freedom to bear arms etc, etc. Also birth control pills fail alot and so the natural result will be abortion. Most women regret abortions as do men. After all they are our own children. Mary

        4. Cookie74 says:

          How is this an attack no Christianity? By asking employers to pay for birth control? Wow, that’s a big leap. Is it right to make employers pay for someone else to not get pregnant, no. But, an attack on Christianity? I’m assuming that free birth control will help limit the number of births in America, then in return limit the number of Welfare recipients there are, then in turn limit the number of tax payers dollars that go to pay for freeloaders with thousands of kids, and finally prevent people from having to get abortions. From those reasons, I would think conservatives would be happy, I’m happy. Less people to pay for, less to no abortions. Get off your soap box. Attack on Christianity, please.

          1. Cookie74 says:

            Sorry, should be “on Christianity”

          2. cyberal says:

            cookie, this has to do with 2 things; coercion and conscience the latter of which which Obama said he would respect,did he not? The former of course is the preferred method of the Left

            1. Cookie74 says:

              Ok, from that viewpoint I understand and agree. That makes sense to me.

              1. Dan says:

                I’m no Catholic, but I do know at least a good portion of what Cathlocism preaches. What I don’t understand is that if those who are the higher-ups in the Catholic church really hate all this stuff and the Pope has gone against it and all the hubbub, then why doesn’t the Pope just excommunicate(? is that the word?) all the politician’s throughout the world that support this? The Pope and the Catholic church is supposed to represent God on earth, so if God is against this, do they think God would turn and look the other way? Why support and continue the lie that so many politicians and people surround themselves with? If they aren’t really Catholic, and aren’t acting or promoting Catholic values, then excommunicate ’em all. That would be a public statement, otherwise it’s all hot air. The Pope has final say in Cathlocism, and if he ain’t saying and acting, then isn’t he showing support for abortion and those how promote it by not doing anything. Words are just words. Be willing to back your words up or don’t waste people’s time by saying them. That’s just my opinion though. What do you all think?

                1. Michael says:

                  I would agree–but not many high-profile politicians claim to be Catholic. JFK was our only President to be Catholic, and currently about 29% of Congress is. It would be interesting to see where they stand on this issue.

                  1. Tommy44 says:

                    Nancy Pelosi claims to be a Catholic. She should have been excommunicated years ago, ditto for Ted Kennedy, except Kennedy owned a cardinal.

                2. Willy says:

                  I’m no Catholic either, but it seems to me there are a lot of people who use whatever definition of “Catholic” suits them–cafeteria style. You’re never going to convince some twit like Nancy Pelosi that she’s not Catholic. In her mind she’s Catholic because she said so, and it doesn’t matter what the pope or 2000 years of tradition might say.

          3. alex says:

            Cookie, this is about 2 things; coercion and conscience. the latter of which Obama promised to respect. did he not? The former is the preferred method of the Left

            1. Indy Esquire says:

              #1) War is constitutionally protected activity of the federal government. i.e. it’s Constitutional.
              #2) Death penalty is a state activity, and an enforcement of law issue, also within the power of government.
              #3)Right to work does not inhibit employees from unionizing.

              Anything else?

            2. Willy says:

              Now there’s an interesting thought. Voters are coercing your state into being unable to coerce people to paying union dues. And you’re against coercion, so you arbitrarily can pick the kind of coercion you don’t like. Good one.

          4. Mark Christopher says:

            Cookie74, If you were a true Christian, you wouldn’t be toting the line for this policy. Going against ones religion in America is against our rights as citizens. And advocating for abortions is completely against Christianity. And us conservatives stand for what is right with America.

            You don’t know what you’re talking about. Let me see, who did you vote for last? I thought so…. you’re part of the problem.

            1. Mark McG says:

              Mark Christopher,

              People that are part of the problem, like cookie74……. what do you want to do with them? What is your final solution? Do you not love or respect thy neighbor? Or do you hate and despise your neighbor?
              Are you willing to ignore the basis of our founding – religious freedom – because you dont agree with it? You my friend are then willing to walk down a very dark and dangerous path with no control on the destination.

            2. davidjamescook74 says:

              I’m a Christian and I don’t claim to be perfect. I wouldn’t say toting the line for this policy is me. I don’t support abortion but I support preventing unplanned pregnancies. I think my line about preventing people from having abortions is pretty stern on where I stand. I’m not going to get into a philosophical debate about what Christianity is because I don’t have to, that’s the beauty of not meeting face to face. But, I gotta say. Only God can judge me. Not you. Sorry. And the last time I check Mark Christopher, you weren’t the one I pray to, ask for guidance, or ask to help guide me. There’s only One.

              1. NotMarried says:

                Are you ok with me taking your money under the threat of imprisonment and using it to go get an abortion?

          5. Polar says:

            You cannot attack Christianity because you have to know something about the subject.

          6. marlon says:

            Fewer babiies mean fewer people to build the houses, buy the clothes, pay into Social Security, develop new drugs, and on and on. You get my drift. Each new baby comes not just with a mouth to feed but with hands to work. Historically, economic gains come when population booms, not the reverse. ‘Right now in China, despite their huge population, they have a labor shortaqge. Why? That pesky one-child policty has robbed them of the people they need to do their work. Theyt have an aging population with not enough young people to care for them.

            This is an attack on traditional Christianity. Martin Luther condemned birth control, and it was not until 1930 that the mainline Protestants caved to the secular world and allowed birth control. The Catholic Church is close to the only institution that maintains its ancient teaching. Despite all our modern “advances,” the ancient truths are still truths. I fear that the human race is going to learn this the hard way–with falling populations, dying economies, and all the social and economic upheaveal that will resutl. Don’t believe me? Look at the demographics in Japan, Russia and Europe. Their populations are dying.

            1. Jonathan says:

              And countries such as India and China that have populations that are exploding are such a great place to live for the general population right? I completely agree with you in terms of this being an attack on traditional Christian values. However, your logic concerning the need for even more people in a world that already stretches it’s world food supply to the brink are totally flawed on numerous levels.

              1. Indy Esquire says:

                Poor example. As China’s population exploded, so did it’s industrial, technological, and military progress.

                The world food supply is not running short, btw. The problem is not population, but the corrupt governments and war torn countries that inhibit resource allocation. Compare: Japan has a population density of 873.1 per sq. mile. Niger has population density of 31.2 per sq. mile. Japan is a first world country with very high standard of living (and is largely based on capitalism and free enterprise). Nigeria is a third world country, one of the poorest in the world, with most of its land consisting of the Sahara desert, and has only in the past few years emerged from military rule.

            2. quercus says:

              Every new person added to this country requires over 25 acres of undeveloped land to be developed. Population growth is the number 1 problem that humanity faces. We all live in a closed system. That system has a limited carrying capacity. Population growth affects every aspect of our society and culture. Whether it be infrastructure, jobs, natural resources, water, food or social services, added people require more. When those resources become few or costly, shortages occur. Shortages of necessities often lead to public unrest and even war. The economic model of continual growth needs to be replaced with one of sustainability. Unending population growth is not the answer. All one has to do is to look at China, India and Africa to see the problems over population/shortages create.

              1. ron says:

                Cite your sources please. Thanks.

          7. Chad says:

            Spot on ,Cookie. I’ve never understood how someone who is against abortion can also be against condoms and sex education…. critical thinking skills are a thing long lost to that large swath of the population.

            More birth control = less abortions, PERIOD.

            1. Indy Esquire says:

              Actually, less promiscuous non-monogamous sex would equal less abortions. PERIOD. Also, less women deciding to abort babies would equal less abortions. PERIOD.

              The is a classic misunderstanding – combined with the complete absence of depth on the subject – of the teachings of the Catholic church.

              Abortions are caused by people. People having sex. And women. Women going to clinics or hospitals and killing the fetus. They are not caused by the absence of education, or birth control, or federal subsidies.

              1. Confused says:

                “They are not caused by the absence of education, or birth control, or federal subsidies”

                And yet when these things are introduced pregnancy rates decrease. Why? Becuase they work. Without the pregnant women wanting an abortion, there would be no abortion. Why would there be no abortion? Women would not be pregnant when they did not want to be.

                Christianity says that sex is sacred between a married man and women. But if Christianity is against birth control how am I supposed to have some fun with my wife and stay a good Christian?

                1. Ron says:

                  By having children, loving them and raising them up for heaven.

                2. L. Flaherty says:

                  The belief that Catholicism does not allow Family planning is a misconception. Their are scientific based family planning methods that are more effective than the birth control pill (a known carcinogen)…the Creighton Ovulation Method and the Sympto-thermo Method are two of them. You can see the data here


                  Natural Family Planning has an added bonus to being more effective,and safe to use…those who use natural family planning have a considerably lower divorce rate than the current divorce rate.

              2. Chad says:

                Lets keep this simple : can you give me a logical reason why you are against birth control/contraception ? Argue from facts, not scripture.

                1. Confused says:

                  Not against birth control just against abortion. If the church is anti-abortion why not support something that would stop abortion even if it is on a small scale.

                  1. Chad says:

                    Confused – Sorry, my question wasn’t to you, it was directed towards Indy… who seems to be against abortion AND contraceptives. Just looking for a logical reason that he/she is against condoms and birth control pills.

                    1. Indy Esquire says:

                      You make it sound as if I want condoms or birth control made illegal. LOL! Free country, do what you want. Just don’t make me or my Church pay for it.

                2. Indy Esquire says:

                  LOL. Therein lies the rub: you think that logic and religion are mutually exclusive. It’s like telling a doctor to defend his diagnosis, but to do without using his medical training.

                  I believe that God created man and woman, and he created sex for the purpose of uniting man and woman to each other, and also both to Him. Marriage and child birth emulate the Holy Trinity (the Father and Son, sharing a love so real it is in fact a third being, the Holy Spirit). Like the trinity, child birth is designed to transform the love of husband in wife into a love so real, it becomes another being.

                  Artificial birth control (fyi, natural family planning is a type of birth control that the Church condones in certain circumstances) interferes with God’s design. Sex while attempting to avoid the consequence of reproduction removes God from the act; also puts up a barrier between husband and wife, and becomes ultimately self-centered and selfish.

                  This is a complex subject, and if you were truly interested (which I suspect you are not) you would do a search for “Theology of the Body” written by Pope JP II. He answers this question completely.

                3. Allison says:

                  This isn’t even about whether you support birth control and abortion or not. It is about forcing groups of people and organizations to do something that they are morally opposed to, which BHO promised he would not do. You may not support the Catholic Church’s views on contraception (I’m Catholic and I do not) but we MUST respect their rights and moral values. I don’t want to be forced to support the KKK or CAIR. Will it have to come to that before we object to this tyranny?

              3. Desdemona says:

                And they are also caused by men who refuse to stand up and take responsibility for their actions. It takes two to tango – abortion permits both sexes to skate off.

            2. Indy Esquire says:

              Also, note that in Spain between 1997 – 2007, contraceptive use went from almost 50% to 80%. And abortions nearly doubled over that time period.

            3. Steve says:

              Most Traditional Catholics believe in the word “abstinence” and that also seems to limit abortions.

            4. kdawg says:

              Hold on, Chad. Isn’t that like saying more diet pills= less obesity? Under your type of theory we could just munch more and more diet pills and obesity would not be an issue. Forget about addressing the “real” issue, right because that might take a little sacrifice.

          8. Steve says:

            It is an attack on the Christian ideals of the employer, seeing as most Christians should be Pro-Life according to the 5th Commandment.

          9. Responsible & Accountable Person says:

            Abortion is the right of an individual… so tell me why my hard earned money is paying for it when I am not the one getting an abortion. Personal responsibility and accountability should be a requirement. Medical rationale for abortions due to health or life threatening issues is understandable, but the overall cost of an abortion being passed on to the public for women who have unprotected sex and who have more than one abortion due to income is unacceptable. I am on the side of the church with regards to telling those that want abortion to be part of their plan to go get healthcare somewhere else and leave those who do not want to pay for it for religious reasons or just humaine reason alone….. This is not a UNION DUE and you have the right to go to an insurance company that will pay for it. Leave religion out of it and leave the Catholic Church and those who do not want anything to do with abortion alone….. Pay for your mistakes and be accountable and responsible for your actions no matter what cards life has dealt you is how I live my life.

            1. Chad says:

              Your tax money does not pay for abortions. That is illegal, under the HYDE AMENDMENT. Do a little research on your own, and stop parroting Faux News and talk radio.
              You’re welcome:

              1. Indy Esquire says:

                Tax money absolutely CAN be funneled to abortion services.

                1. Allison says:

                  Neither one of you should be using Wikipedia as a legitimate reference. I could get on there and add anything I wanted to either of those articles at any time. Maybe I will…..

            2. Sandy says:

              Amen to that! Birth Control by abortion is NOT health care.
              Why on earth should it be provided at all, without co-pay???
              I pay a co-pay for my blood pressure medicine, people pay for diabetic supplies,etc. The list is endless.
              Those issues are health care, not morning after pills and sterilization.

          10. swissik says:

            Birthcontrol has been freely available for decades, but that doesn’t stop a multitude of inner city girls and women to have one kid after another that must be supported with taxpayer funds. I believe sterilization is in order for women who have 2 children, no marriage, no father support, no job etc. Abortion is not birth control.

            1. Chad says:

              Agreed…. BUT, whom are most of these people having one kid after another ? They are overwhelmingly Catholic… and they are having one kid after another because Catholicism pushes it’s adherents to have large family (to increase the churchs membership and money, obviously). If the church would openly decree that contraception is NOT evil, Im willing to bet those numbers would go down quickly.

              1. Indy Esquire says:

                That is just a bizarre statement. Catholics are having the most kids? First, where is your research? Second, didn’t someone on this thread just say 90% of Catholics use birth control? So which is it?

                Second, even if Catholics are having more kids, that doesn’t mean Catholics are having UNWANTED kids.

          11. rolandotx says:

            I’m not a catholic but I’m glad they are mad about this. Nobody should be compelled (or extorted) by their government to participate in somthing they consider to be immoral or a contrary to a matter of religious faith. Obama is an aspiring despot and we don’t get rid of him we will continue to lose what is left of our freedom and our money

        5. LTCB says:

          Great idea. I like it. Sterilize them at the abortion. They already do that lots of times by “accident”. If they’re going to bump bellies like a bunny, they need fixed. I’m tired of paying they’re way on this. It’s not a choice. IT’s a child.

        6. cec2 says:

          Another solution, if you don’t like the coverage provided by your employer…buy your own provate insurance or find another job with a complany that will provide the coverage you want. No one is forcing any of the employees to continue to work for the Catholic Church.

        7. ADNAWRR says:

          I AGREE

      2. PATSNYC says:

        That type of question is illegal under federal and state laws and would result in multiple discrimination lawsuits. The real solution is to advise all potential employees that they are applying for a position at a Catholic institution and acceptance of any job offer is with the understandng that the employee will respect the beliefs of the Catholic Religion.

        1. Taxeveryone says:

          70 million votes for sale, just like 2008.
          The catholic vote putting Obama in power didn’t work out that well for you did it ?

          1. Cathy O. says:

            I’m Catholic and I certainly did not vote for Obama nor did many Catholic people I know – mainly because of his questionable values on certain issues. I would really like to know from where you got your statistics. There was no organized Catholic vote to put this president in office. It sounds as if maybe you have an ax to grind with Catholics over other things or just the Catholic religion in general.

            1. Chris Lewis says:

              Ever hear of Doug Kmiec? There most certainly was an organized effort to make Catholics think it was ok to vote for Obama.

              1. Deandre Andres says:

                There are a lot of Catholic democrat politicians…and all those who vote or show support for abortion, either in the house or the senate, should be summarily excommunicated from the Catholic church.

            2. Cathy says:

              You can bet if it were Muslims against this abortion pill mandate it would be pulled immediately.

              1. Michael says:

                You’re so right Cathy. Anything but Christianity is the mnoto of the USA and this movement is championed by the liberal left. They hate anything Christian and anythibng that is traditional American

                1. Chad says:

                  Slavery and the subjugation of women were also long held “American Traditions”… should we bring back those traditions ? Because it was the progressive element of our population that got rid of slavery and finally treated women as human beings, not the conservative, ‘traditional’ Americans.

                  Arguing from tradition is one of the most amateur logical fallacies.

                  1. Indy Esquire says:

                    Another amateurish logical fallacy is to confuse a values argument with a logic argument.

            3. Shannon S. says:

              Cathy, I’m afraid your friends are not a representative sample. Obama won the Catholic vote in 2008 with roughly 55% to McCain’s 45%. That is a very wide margin, but it is nothing new. Catholics have voted for a Democrat in all but 4 Presidential elections since 1960 (exceptions being Nixon, Reagan twice, and G.W. Bush). That’s 9 out of the last 13 Presidential elections.

              1. swissik says:

                I don’t understand it at all, but the Catholics that I know all vote democrat including in the Obama election. They also all went to catholic schools. As an atheist myself I find this puzzling. If religion is something to be proud of one would expect its tenets to be respected and followed. But then look at Pelosi, a more duplicitous example of modern catholicism would be hard to find.

          2. O;frt says:

            I totaly agree with you,they paraded the president on stage at ND and gave him an honourary degree in hopes of favor. lesson should have been learned.This is just the beginning of the Obama health care, just wait.

            1. Jim Uberti says:

              And during that speech at Notre Dame the crucifix behind him was covered. Why??

              1. NoMoreKoolAid says:

                You speak the truth. We tend to forget the truth. America, go over his persecution of the Christians and the National Prayer Breakfast, and remember that his own book “Audacity of Hope” had this statement in it, “I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” Christians, UNITE! The only candidate that can stop this ugliness is Rick Santorum! He is the only true believer in this fight! Don’t waste your votes, please! Get Obama out of office with Rick Santorum who will fight to protect life, protect our individual liberties and repeal Obamacare!

              2. Sinead91 says:

                The same cover-up took place at Georgetown when he spoke there. It was reported that his handlers demanded that no religious picture or symbol be visible behind him. And, they capitulated.

                The prestige and respect for both universities took a major hit among Catholics and other Christians. And I read that some of their larger donors pulled support. It was pathetic pandering on the parts of Georgetown and Notre Dame.

        2. Jay Toups says:

          Actually it is within rules of law for a religious institution to affirm its beliefs in employees. The SCOTUS just upheld this.

        3. JohnB says:

          While I agree with you that the real solution what you propose, I think something needs to be clarified. I work at a Catholic university, and I can tell you that a private institution can pretty much ask an applicant any quesiton they want. The basic rule is this: They can more or less do what they want, but they have to do what they say they are going to do.

        4. KB says:

          Completely False….

          The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) contains a “ministerial exception” that allows religious organizations to give “preference in employment to individuals of a particular religion” and to “require that all applicants and employees conform to the religious tenets of such organization.”

        5. Manuel says:

          I believe you are mistaken about the legality of a church screening the beliefs of it’s potential employees. Recently, the Supreme Court has sided unanimously with a church sued for firing an employee on religious grounds, issuing an opinion on Wednesday that religious employers can keep the government out of hiring and firing decisions.

          In the case of Hosanna-Tabor v. EEOC

          Read more:

        6. Steve says:

          PAT SNYC,
          I agree with you 100%. I too believe that that is the proper way to handle the situation.

      3. Rex Holm says:

        It’s about freedom Roger, nothing else. The State must step aside. No further comments will enlighten this situation. Name calling, relating previous errors or even crimes will not serve the long range interests of a free people.

        1. random stranger says:

          not sure what your point is. Whose freedoms are you concerned about? The people’s, or the church’s? If they receive federal dollars, why shouldn’t they have to obey federal rules?

          1. Chad says:

            “If they receive federal dollars, why shouldn’t they have to obey federal rules?”

            THAT is it. That’s the entire point. They don’t HAVE to accept federal money (because they are sitting on hundreds of billions of dollars)…but they do.

            Why can’t people understand this ? If you receive federal money, you are required to follow federal rules about what to do with the money. Don’t like it ? Don’t accept the money.

            1. Indy Esquire says:

              *palm face* No. They. Don’t.

              1. KyBl says:

                How is that a facepalm??? The Church is tax exempt and accepts Federal money, how is that any better than someone that lives on welfare their entire life?

                If the Church wants to remain private and do as they please they can simply not accept the federal money. And yes, the Church is sitting on BILLIONS of dollars currently.

      4. founding father says:

        This makes sense. Its not like Obama is forcing abortions on people, just giving them the option. If they are really christians then they won’t want that option and won’t use it (apparently), so really this is a non issue.

        1. Allison says:

          You have miss-stated the entire issue. No one is suggesting BHO is forcing abortions on people. They are suggesting that he is forcing people that do not believe in abortion to pay for their employees abortions. Which he is.

      5. Big George in Big D says:

        Can’t do that – its discrimination.

      6. Jon-Paul says:

        What about the workplace discrimination lawsuits? Nuff said.

      7. KyBl says:

        The better thing for the Church to do is to stop taking Federal money. Then they would not have to participate in this non-sense.. Makes no sense for a religious institution to take federal assistance when it pays nothing in taxes. This is socialism at its best.

    2. Sam Smith says:

      @ Phillysmart Christians at this point are only reaping what they have sown. Tens of thousands of my ancestors were killed for their beliefs and the man responsible for killing them was canonized a Saint. Saint Olaf of Norway, so please spare me the “Christians are in the right” dribble.

      1. erv says:

        Sam, It depends upon your view. The war was waged to free Norway from the domination of the Danes and the Swedes.

        1. Steve Turi says:

          I don’t think Sam is interested in the truth about anything. He is too fettered by his own hate and self-serving misinterpretation of reality.

      2. mickey says:

        if “tens of thousands” of YOUR ancestors were killed, how in the hell were you ever born? Think, stupid!
        Just admit that you are a hate religion bigot and we will move on.

        1. Ghost of Norway says:

          Umm, maybe they were killed after he was conceived? See if your dad kicks the bucket after you’re born, you don’t instantly die. Get it now Mickey, can we stop with the second grade name calling now.

          1. Stefano says:

            After he was conceived? When, in the 11th century? Sam must be pretty old…

            1. archangel says:

              hahahahaha…..hey Ghost! Can you say “owned”

        2. Chad says:

          “if “tens of thousands” of YOUR ancestors were killed, how in the hell were you ever born? Think, stupid!”

          Ummmm…. it doesn’t mean that ALL of his ancestors were killed, obviously. Just as a Jewish person can be alive today and speak of his or her ancestors being killed in the Holocaust.

          What’s wrong with your brain, buddy ?

      3. Dave says:

        You don’t have to be a Christian to be apposed to killing an unborn person.

        1. Ilene says:

          @Dave, you are so right. I am Jewish and a Conservative Republican. I can’t stand Obama. And I am with the Catholic church on this. This has nothing to do with women’s rights. It has everything to do with goverment control.

          1. Charles Larrison says:

            To teh Catholics this is about the abotion issue. To Obama this is about control and since it is against the Catholic Church it gives the muslim sypathizer more to cheer.

            1. SpfldUser93 says:

              It isn’t about the abortion issue. It is about religious freedom. To Catholics first. Contraceptive beliefs second. But we’ve been used to being run over on that part (contraception) for quite a while – even be our so called Catholic brethern. But, the religious freedom of conscience has been a long held standard that has now been violated in a very direct and insulting way.

            2. Mannyst says:

              Agree. Catholics who don’t like the church can leave; non-Cath – no need to join. Bush brought us to a ditch; Obama to a very deep, deep hole. Please vote Republican!!!

          2. NoMoreKoolAid says:

            I second that notion. They try to tell us abuse is the #1 killer of children. NO! Abortion is!

          3. Steve says:

            @Dave& Ilene
            I’m with you both on this even if I’m Catholic; I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who introduced “Separation between Church and State”, and that is what is being torn apart right now by our over controlling government.

      4. Olaf says:

        Oh, and @Sam, it’s “drivel.” “Dribble” is what you do with a basketball. (Linguistic incompetency can drastically hamper one’s rhetorical effect.)

        1. unsureofanything says:

          Dribble: To let saliva drip from the mouth; drool.


      5. Jack D Howard says:

        You may be carrying family “feud” to a new level. Centuries ago, your unknown ‘ancestors’ were persecuted by Christians? Tfui…I’m sure your ‘ancestors’ also did their share of persecuting But what’s new, when it comes to Leftist hate speech?

      6. thebigdog13 says:

        @Sam Smith – so, because it happened to your ancestors, we should allow it to happen again today? What type of mentality is that?

        The constitution is supposed to protect religious rights, all religions, not just the ones that line up with the President and his parties’ beliefs.

        This is a shame and everyone should be supporting the Church in their efforts out of principle. What type of justice system do we have when we don’t even support the Constitution of America?

        1. nomoretyranny says:

          @thebigdog, good point. We have the same judicial branch that fails to uphold the constituion in the matter of “Natural Born Citizen.” Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen to begin with and is therefor eneligible to even serve as President under our Constitution. So much for Constitutional rule of law. By his own admission, his father was Kenyan and that made his father a British subject at the time of his birth.

      7. jsquyres says:

        Sam, are you really that concerned about your ancestors?

    3. D69D says:

      Catholicism, Christianity, same god, different people.

      1. Dan says:

        Same Lord and savior also. Only difference is an Apostolic church or scripture only. We are the same so unity and stand for the trueth as Christ did.

        1. s-smith says:

          The Orthodox churches are NOT part of the RC Church but are Apostolic churches The Orthodox church also teaches that abortion is wrong.

    4. orlandocajun says:

      This is only the beginning folks. Obama, his socialist accomplices, are not just against religion…they’re trying to destroy our entire social structure that has been in place for over 200 years.

      Elections don’t have consequences…electing liberals has consequences. There should be a test to vote.

    5. Mary says:

      I am not a Catholic but a\m a Christian–same God ! I am all for the Catholics Church in this . It is murder and that’s how I will always believe !

      1. no says:

        Isn’t ignorance bliss? Why use your brain cells. Just let a book of imaginary fairy tails (filled with all the contradictions) tell you how to live.

        I have an idea. How about you SUPPORT THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPALS YOUR COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON? Instead of “I support this, because it’s my religion!” how about you support something purely for FREEDOM? Meaning YOUR freedom to do what you want and everyone else’s freedom to do what they want? God damn, Ic an’t wait until your generation dies out.

        1. Chris Copeland says:

          What so you can decide who lives and who dies? I AM YOUR GENERATION. We are just the ones with brains!

          Who protects the unborn? They have brains and bodies and are in many cases able to live outside on their own. Who is asking THEM? Who is denying them THEIR FREEDOM!

          You are a nazi.

        2. John S says:

          ” Meaning YOUR freedom to do what you want and everyone else’s freedom to do what they want ” ……… Fine , then using your logic , why are you for the Government telling the Catholic Hospitals what they should do ? Why cant the Catholic Hospitals ” do what they want ” .. as you say . If a woman wants coverage for abortion , she can seek employment at a non Catholic Hospital . Also , the left always talks about seperation of Church and state ……. well , here ya go . How can a state tell a Church [ Catholic Hospital ] what to do and still hold to the seperation of Church and state theme ? I’d like the Church to close the Hospitals in responce to this .. however , that would be irresponsible to the well being of many peoples care . Unlike the quote from above .. ” “The Catholic hierarchy seems to be playing a cynical game of chicken and they don’t seem to care that the health and well being of millions of American woman are what’s at stake here,” … which is untrue . Millions of womans health isnt at stake … just that they cant get an abortion at a Catholic Hospital . Closing Catholic Hospitals would truely put many peoples health care at stake Which is why the Church wont close the Hospitals . Plus , if the Catholic hospitals were closed , how and what would that do to bolster the comming socialized health care . It would help it along , imo . It’s a bad situation we’re in … Thanks, POTUS

          If you are really a Catholic or an American that has a love for the Constitution … then you see how big of an issue this is . I am an American Catholic . If my government tries to inforce itself on my Church…. then this is not my government and I’d like to have my Country back… without violence , if possible .

          1. Kilroy says:

            That person isn’t a Catholic or else they wouldn’t be taking that viewpoint. If you are not pro-life then you are not Catholic. Plain and simple.

        3. Bobbi says:

          You are making the argument for the Catholics. We DO believe in FREEDOM. That is what the Obama administration is targeting. The point in question is that the government is taking the position to FORCE people (it doesn’t matter whether they are Catholilc or not) to do things and pay for things that are against their deeply held beliefs. Forced sterilization and one child policiy are only minutes away.

        4. archangel says:

          hey “no”…when our generation dies out you’ll be surrounded by a generation of publically educated smart people. That’s really something to look forward to. Oh, and by the way, you’ll have about a 25 Billion dollar debt to carry and your spawn children will be left holding the bill. Ya know, the ones that are gonna pick out your nursing homes. Good luck with that! lol!

      2. Cookie74 says:

        How is a contraceptive murder? Because the little swimmers die instead of reaching their goal? Or, the pill for example, again preventing the little swimmers from reaching their goal? If this is your definition of abortion then every time a person has sex, regardless if the woman gets pregnant or not, an abortion occurs. Is that right? I would think that contraceptives would help lower the number of abortions that occur every year BECAUSE they are preventing unplanned pregnancies. Also, free contraceptives, birth control, would help keep the number of welfare babies off the street. Want to make sure that this war doesn’t occur, teach your children to abstain from having sex. Abortions=Murder, plain and simple. Plan B pills, don’t agree with. Sterilization, I do agree with. If a man or woman is done having children with their spouse, and wants to have worry free sex, go for it. You will probably slander me for my ideas, but at least I provided some insight, and not hate speech, and a few run-on sentences.

        1. lam says:

          May I make this point about free birth control. People on welfare DO NOT WORK! Therefore they get all the free contraception and abortion benefits they an handle. We are talking about an employer that would be offering benefits to its employees which they themselves find immoral. It doesn’t matter what you think. It doesn’t matter what you believe. This is the way it is and the way it has beenin particuolar for the Catholic Church since the advent of birth control and definitely includes the morning after pill. Are people really that indignant and bigotted that they think a moral tenet held by many religions; not just Catholics; should be crushed and ignored bythe tramplingof the first amendent? WOW What has happened to this country where rights were protected? Is morality now based on a secular government instead of a divine being?

      3. Dolores Andrews says:

        I’m a BAPTIST, BAPTIST believe abortion is murder…. it is a grievous SIN… The birth control we believe in is NO SEX before marriage; managed sex within marriage. If this TEACHING is taken away from the Catholics/Baptist/ and others…then what teaching will be taken/denied from other religious bodies/denominations???…We already are being challenged with public displays of OUR CROSSES….

    6. k says:

      Don’t they mean, ‘go to COURT’?

      I’m sure no Catholic leader used the phrase, ‘war’,

      More manipulation of the news.

      1. lam says:

        what the Catholic rep said was that this fight would be taken to the streets; in other words there would be protests in the streets not unlike prolife rallies held every year. Of course we already have the unions (just got an email) mobilizing as they intent to confront religious groups about their beliefs claiming that this is an historic law forcing everyone to conform to the governments wishes. Scary! Wake up America before it is too late.

    7. CommonSense says:

      The funny part to me about all this outrage is that the overwhelming majority of those that identify themselves as Roman Catholic and have teenage girls place them on some form of birth control. Just another example of the religious hierarchy being completely detached from reality.

      1. Thomas Paine says:

        What evidence do you have to support such a broad-based statement? Are you basing this off of some obscure poll of 10 Roman Catholics or is just your mind’s common sense? What a joke.

      2. Cole says:

        That is irrelevant. The issue is that the government would use the force of law to make a religious institution do something that violates its own doctrine, weather or not the church members follow that doctrine is completely irrelevant. I’m personally not opposed to birth control, but I am opposed in the strongest way against the government forcing anyone to pay for birth control if they think it’s wrong. I’ve heard your argument used so much in this debate, I guess the Left thinks that volume and repetition can compensate for a fallacy…

        1. Cole says:

          *second line: whether. The fallaciousness of CommonSense’s reasoning blinded me to grammatical considerations.

        2. Donricardo says:

          What in God’s name does the “WEAQTHYER” have to with your argument?

      3. Teresa H says:

        Common Sense: if you want to defend this with that sort of a thought process, go for it. But something that you need to think about is, when it comes to this “directive” from the administration it shouldn’t matter if you’re christian, jewish, etc. etc. or non-believer.. what matters is this president is once again overstepping the Constitution and it should bother each and every American out there. You need to think about what they are attempting to do. Read the constitution and think about it. Everyday with this administration, it’s something else. Whether it’s Obama saying that he’s going to go around Congress to get his stuff done or pushing a health care bill that forces Americans to “buy” something… or buying a car company, going thru the bankruptcy process but turning it on it’s head and throwing “conract law” out the window. (allowing the labor unions to be first in line to recoup money instead of the bondholders). Look it up. He is dangerous and he is not upholding the oath to protect the constitution. You are obviously are a member of the anti-religion bandwagon and that’s all you see. Use your head.

        1. Nadine McKenna says:

          Amen Teresa.

      4. Teresa H says:

        Common Sense: if you want to defend this with that sort of a thought process, go for it. But something that you need to think about is, when it comes to this “directive” from the administration it shouldn’t matter if you’re christian, jewish, etc. etc. or non-believer.. what matters is this president is once again overstepping the Constitution and it should bother each and every American out there. You need to think about what they are attempting to do. Read the constitution and think about it. Everyday with this administration, it’s something else. Whether it’s Obama saying that he’s going to go around Congress to get his stuff done or pushing a health care bill that forces Americans to “buy” something… or buying a car company, going thru the bankruptcy process but turning it on it’s head and throwing “contract law” out the window. (allowing the labor unions to be first in line to recoup money instead of the bondholders). Look it up. He is dangerous and he is not upholding the oath to protect the constitution. You are obviously are a member of the anti-religion bandwagon and that’s all you see. Use your head.

      5. godsmotive says:

        I am not Catholic, nor Protestant, nor have teenage daughters, this isn’t about birth control it is about the 1st Amendment. It doesn’t matter what the people are doing it is about what the people have restricted the government from telling them they have to do. I stand with the churches….they are right, Obama is wrrong. This is not about elections or polls or girls on contraception…it is about the power of the government and they are overstepping theirs.

        1. Allison says:

          Thank you! Everyone here debating the pros and cons of contraception is missing the point entirely!!

          They came for the Catholics but I wasn’t Catholic so I didn’t object…….Well guess who’s next – whoever YOU are.

    8. B says:

      Unfortunately you are wrong, the contraceptive pill does not stop ovulation in every case. As a backup the contraceptive pill creates a hostile environment in the uterine wall,…so yes, you have an abortion. This is why the contraceptive pill is also an abortifacient. That is just the pill, there are other drugs that would be covered whose specific purpose are to cause abortions, such as the so-called morning after pill. So, I am afraid you are wrong, the government would be forcing Catholics to support abortion. Contraception (even without abortifacient effects), or sterilization are all gravely immoral for Catholics. Do you homework, go to the horses mouth in looking at why these things are wrong – not CNN!

    9. Glen Blanchard says:

      First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.

      Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist.

      Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist.

      Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.

      You know folks, when they start with Jews, Catholics, or smokers or drinkers or ANYTHING that infringes on our liberties, we need to remember how we all crowed, YES YES let’s limit THEM because it’s not me or mine. Soon it will be you or yours or something that affects you. Who will speak out for your liberties? Either we are all together in the “leave me alone to be happy” or we are not.

      Elections have consequences.

      1. detex says:

        Isn’t it limiting to NOT have access to something. Face it, many families want to have access but may not have the ability to pay for it on their own. If you don’t agree with something, don’t do it. Nobody is FORCING birth control on you they are just saying you have a right to use it if you want to.

        1. Confused says:

          True that. The law is simply creating access for millions of families across the world to have access to birth control.

          If you don’t agree with the new law.. don’t take advantage of it.

          1. Allison says:

            No. Millions of families HAVE access to birth control. They just have to pay for it themselves, get it for a discount at a clinic or Planned Parenthood or go work for an employer that pays for it. Catholic employers aren’t the only game in town, surely? What this law does is unnecessarily compel people to pay for something they find morally reprehensible. Again, something BHO assured us he wold NEVER do.

        2. MARY DOOLEY says:

          My God, I am a Catholic but do not believe in their stance on birth control. Of course, they don’t sell off their art work or live in poverty to feed these babies. I DO NOT believe in abortion, I believe in adoption. Why doesn’t the church advocate for that and help PAY for the expense to the parents? Just because insurance covers birth control doesn’t mean anyone has to use it. It is also used for many other purposes other than contraception. No one is attacking Christianity by having health care. In fact, providing health care is providing for the least among us. So who isn’t practicing their faith? The ones who have it for themselves, but resent poor people having it. The rich Catholics simply go out and buy it out of their pockets. Poor people don’t have $600 for shoes!

          1. Indy Esquire says:

            The Bible never said that in order to provide for the least, we should do so by government intervention. Indeed, I suspect Jesus would prefer that we move our arses and help out with our own two hands.

    10. kay says:

      War on Christianity is so well said – there is a real concerted effort in this country to stamp out religion – totally. It has been a very insidious effort for years but now is out in the bright daylight. ‘
      I am not Catholic but I have the sense as a Methodist to realize that what happens to other religious beliefs, institutions in this country can also happen to mine.
      I applaud the Catholics who are up in arms over this move to make them compromise their religion and beliefs.

      1. Religilous says:

        I rather see a war on religion that wars against other countries. Religion is poisonous to our society and is the #1 cause of suffering in the world. How do people not see how evil organized religion really is?

        1. Larry G says:

          So, there was no war or evil happening in the world before organized religion? Your statement makes no sense and is demonstrative of a lack of a basic understanding of human nature and world history.

          Here’s a clue: Evil people are the #1 cause of suffering in the world.

        2. Historian says:

          “Religion is poisonous to our society and is the #1 cause of suffering in the world.”

          How come in the last century, secular governments killed more people than probably all of the ‘religious’ wars of the 1900 years previous combined. The atheistic Communists alone killed over 100 million in the last century. WWI and WWII were secular wars, not religious wars. In short, your statement is a bunch of claptrap.

    11. tomlasusa says:

      Christians were persecuted for their beliefs — thrown to the lions, crucified and tortured. And what did they do in return? Forced their beliefs on other cultures, through equal intimidation and torture…

      Jesus said “Go out and spread the good news.” He didn’t say “Go out and shove it down people’s throats until they choke.” If everyone just believed what they believed, and left everyone else alone to their own beliefs or non beliefs, what an amazing world this would be.

      1. Confused says:

        I am a Christian and I agree. There is no reason for Christianity to force their beliefs on anyone. The Constitution was written by religious men… we know this. AND all of them wanted religious freedom because they understood that forcing someone to believe contrary to what they believe is wrong. IF the church continues to threaten the government and in turn force their beliefs on everyone then they are not really Christians. Part of being a Christian is believing for yourself. Not having Christianity thrust upon you. AND forcing someone else to believe what you believe is hostile to your fellow men which is not a Christian belief. The Church needs to back off. No one is forcing this on you. It is only there for you to choose to use.

    12. joe says:

      You nailed it, Philly. Oops- no pun intended. Honestly.

    13. bertfulford says:

      John 10:10 says that satan comes to steal (socialism) kill (abortion) and to destroy (marriage through the pro-homosexual agenda). We definitely have a president who has an anti-Christ agenda!

      1. Chad says:

        you are a sad, sad little person.

    14. Michael says:

      why do these people always talk about “women’s health and safety” when in in so few instanceas is that the case. what they want is the right to kill fetuses! this is the real truth but let’s keep taking about women’s health and safety to make it sound all cozy and just. freaking liberals. they can never call things by their real name or always some fake name or implication such as “planned parenthood”. why doesnt this organization have the word “abortion” in their name? also what about “pro-choice”. why isnt it “pro-abortion” instead? the reason is because they like to mask the nature of that which they defend.

    15. John says:

      A war on Christianity? Christians have run the world for a long time now, so no one wants to hear about the poor little Christians in a nation with mostly Christians being “persecuted” by having to pay the same taxes as everyone else. You think other employers want to pay more taxes for these things? Why would they? I’m so sick of hearing Christians talk like they don’t run this entire country. Shut the hell up.

      1. dbcooper says:

        John, you’re an a$$hole.

    16. Greg Maghan says:

      Get your facts straight, Christianity did not nail a man on the cross, the Roman’s did over 2000 years ago. That man became the savior of the Christian Faith. My question to you phillysmart, are your educated at all? Because if you believe the Christians nailed Jesus to the cross, your a moron.

    17. Jim says:

      Whether your a Catholic or not this is one more gross example of Government intrusion into every facet of our society and our lives. Maybe we should all refuse to pay our taxes on April 15th. That might get their attention!!

      1. Confused says:

        That is the dumbest suggestion I’ve ever read

    18. ray Dunbar says:

      That was a very poorly written article. It was not informative on the issues, and did not even bother to mention the constutionallity of Obama’s health care laws, which is the whole crux of the matter. The Obama administration has violated the 2nd amendment, by making it’self superior to religion, and requiring churches and individuals violate their own conscience.

      1. Charlie says:

        He’s violated the right to bear arms? Huh?

      2. Charlie says:

        Health insurance plans must cover blood transfusions. Blood transfusions are against the Jehovah’s Witness religions. Is that a violation of the Constitution? Here’s a clue: The law doesn’t violate the Constitution. The Supreme Court, hundreds of times since the Constitution has written, has demonstrated that the FIRST Amendment doesn’t mean that you can do anything and say “this is my religion.” The Rastafarian religion can’t use marijuana, although it’s their religion. Religion cannot be used as a defense of violating civil rights, as, for example, someone in the Christian Identity movement might want to discriminate against minorities in violation of civil law. This law NEITHER establishes a state religion (establishment clause) NOR does it prevent free exercise of a religion (free exercise clause) of the… FIRST Amendment. People are free to practice their religions, as long as they don’t violate the law (no violating civil laws by discriminating, no using illegal drugs, etc.) The Supreme Court’s ruling was that, as long as a law is universal and not targeting a specific religion, and the law’s purpose is secular and not for the direct purpose of banning a specific religion (such as illegal drug laws, or civil rights laws) then the government can set restrictions. Otherwise, killing and stealing would be legal if someone says killing and stealing is part of their religion. Those are illegal. So is it illegal, to deny healthcare, and part of healthcare is reproductive healthcare.

        1. Charlie says:

          To clarify a little more… ONE of the Supreme Court rulings that contains the language that protects this law, is Employment Division v. Smith. In this particular case, a person was denied unemployment benefits because he used peyote, which is an illegal substance… he claimed he used peyote because it was part of his religion. While the case is totally different, the WORDING of the MAJORITY OPINION (delivered by Justice Scalia), the reason WHY the person lost the case, is very applicable here:

          regon’s ban on the possession of peyote is not a law specifically aimed at a physical act engaged in for a religious reason. Rather, it is a law that applies to everyone who might possess peyote, for whatever reason—a “neutral law of general applicability,”

          Similarly, THIS law, the law that prevents a health insurance company from denying coverage for birth control, is a “neutral law of general applicability.” Just as free exercise doesn’t allow you to use peyote, free exercise doesn’t allow you to deny health coverage required under law. IF IT DID, then an employee working for a company whose bosses are Jehovah’s Witnesses could give health coverage that denies payment for a blood transfusion.

          The law doesn’t prevent free exercise. It’s a neutral law of general applicability, in the Supreme Court’s words.

    19. Charlie says:

      REAL great analogy… nailing a man to a cross, providing birth control… TOTALLY the same thing!

  3. jeff m says:


    How much sense does it make to slam the teaching of the Catholic Church by citing the bad behavior of those people who failed to live up to the teaching? The Church is not telling anyone what to do — the government is trying to tell the Church what to do. Don’t be a tool — think!

    1. Michael Warren says:

      . Sam, the Catholic Church is bathed in the blood of innocent people, whose only crime was not wanting to be Catholic. This is not opinion, but historic fact. When the church finally gained enough power, their original message of tolerance was instantly converted to a policy of subjugation over everyone and blind conformity to their doctrine. This was not a series of mistakes by individuals who failed to follow “the message”, but coordinated action by individuals who carried out church policy.

      There is a lesson and a parallel here; Obama and the left ostensibly preach the doctrine of tolerance and diversity; but now that power is in their grasp, there is nothing they won’t do to maintain it. If the Catholic church can help stop Obama The Tyrant, I’ll gladly consider their pass sins against humanity forgiven. Helping to stop Obama and his ill-begotten gang of thugs will be an act of redemption worthy of a saint.

      1. Stefano says:

        Your reasoning is along the line of those who would want reparation for all black people because their ancestors were deported from Africa and enslaved. Or the Native Americans, or the Inuit, or the Aztecs (but what about the people enslaved and sacrificed by the Aztecs?), the peoples destroyed by the Romans, or by the Greeks of Alexander, or by the Persians, or by the Babylonians, or by the Assyrians or by the Hebrew people (who slaughtered the Cananeans), or by the Egyptians, or the Neandertahls destroyed – perhaps – by Homo Sapiens…. or Abel killed by Cain…

        1. Michael Warren says:

          Stefano, you have completely misunderstood the nature of my comment. What I said about the history of the church is beyond dispute. However, I in no way implied anything about the concept of collective guilt, or some form of reparations, and I’m not gunning for the Catholic church. To witt: I do not believe that political or theological institutions carry the burden of collective guilt; the point of my comment — obviously a little too tongue-in-cheek for you — was that Obama is so bad that I welcome and appreciate Catholic oppositon to his rule, and that this is such an important act that it levels any negative karma. Not only am I adamatly opposed to reparations, but I fully realize as a student of history that there is absolutely no group, social, political or theological, that has not wronged or otherwised oppressed another group at one point or another.

      2. Chuck says:

        Michael Warren, I agree with part of your 2nd paragragh; “Obama and the left ostensibly preach the doctrine of tolerance and diversity; but now that power is in their grasp, there is nothing they won’t do to maintain it.” Beyond that, everything else that you wrote is totally off base.

        Granted, of course, there have been some people throughout the Catholic Church’s history that have been wrong-minded, woefully ignorant of the Truth or even downright evil. But that is because of human weakness. Jesus Christ instituted the Catholic Church through Peter & the other Apostles. He said that the gates of Hell would not prevail against it, even through the demons that might slip like smoke through the cracks, into the frail souls of those within the Church itself.

        I AM SICK & TIRED OF THE INACCURATE, REVISIONIST FORM OF HISTORY QUOTED BY ANYONE WHO IS AGAINST THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. Please check out the following 2 informational programs. Order them if you want and get the 600 hours of research that went into them. These are the facts. Research it for yourself a little more deeply. First here is a link (you’ll probably have to cut & paste into your browser) on The Spanish Inquisition, watch it before you throw that accusation at a Catholic again please…. Next, here is a link about, The Crusades. Real Catholics don’t believe in making you convert. They only want to show you the love of Jesus, the Church & the Sacraments that He founded and His Truth. They pray that the Holy Spirit through the grace of God, will do the rest.

        What the Obama administration proposes to do through this law is totally against the 1st amendment. Any Christian wheether Catholic or not, should be ready to stand and fight this tyranny. We remained silent and they took prayer out of schools and practically any public place. They have stripped our rights one by one and are trying harder and harder to make it impossible for people to proclaim what they believe to be the truth if it has anything to do with morals and letting others know what is right and what is wrong, because this world wrongly believes that truth is relative and subjective. It is not! There is an objevtive Truth, a right and a wrong.

        NOW, this administration not only wants to keep us from proclaiming that Truth, they want to make us violate our own consciences. Enough is enough. May God Bless & keep you and may He help us all, because this country, I’m afraid, is rapidly descending into the abyss and it will take the prayers and strength of every good Christian to right its course.

    2. Mary says:

      Jeff, you are right. You find good and bad everywhere, why murder babies to compound it ?

  4. Scott says:

    I was NEVER fooled by obama and who he really is, a socialist… and I am not even that smart!

    1. MG says:

      Maybe you are wise, as in wise as a serpent and innocent as a dove. Being wise to the ways of evil is wisdom.

    2. Michele says:

      Well, Scott, – lol – you’re a lot smarter than all the people who voted for him!

    3. Station says:

      That socialist bailed out GM and saved the jobs of tens of thousands of working class men. GM repaid its loans from the Fed and is now the largest and most successful car company in the world. Some socialist. There are a whole hell of a lot of Catholic Car Factory workers who are happy for that. Ofcourse, thats the real world of Bills, feeding children, and paying mortgages..not your fantasy land of Hell and aborting zygotes.

      1. BlueStarMom says:

        The tax payer took a LOSS on the bailout! And Chrysler is now owned by the Italians!!

        1. allen swan says:

          Not only does Fiat now own Chrysler, but THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS by way of the Dept. of Energy, gave Fiat $3.5 billion dollars to take it off our hands. I don’t know about you, but I expect to see a Fiat in my driveway any day now. After all, I paid for one, as did we all.

      2. Prodius says:

        GM still owes over $20 Billion and the bailouts to the pensions will never be paid back. Obama saved “Union” jobs, not workers.

      3. Jonsey says:

        zygotes don’t get aborted moron…babies do!

      4. Fluidizer says:

        Obama apologists can never stop making things up. GM has never paid paid back the taxpayer, and never will. They received 13 billion, and GMAC received 17 billion, for a total of over 30 billion down the drain. This money was simply a pay back for Union Hacks who support the tyrant..

      5. tdvann says:

        Lenin had a term for you. “Useful Idiot”

      6. Sation- ary says:

        GM did NOT repay its loans — what planet are you from? Billions were written off.

      7. s-smith says:

        The bailout of GM proves the old saying “Even a stopped clock is right twice a day”. The GM issue has nothing to do with abortion. Obama is trying to force churches to support and pay for killing of babies!

    4. Vic says:

      Scott, I bet you still think Obama was born in Kenya, too.

    5. Sharon says:

      Yes Scott, he WAS and IS a socialist.. May God help us in America to see Obama for what he really is.

    6. miss ellie says:


      you are birlliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. Fidelio says:

    The Catholic Church did not rape children. So what is your big sin?

    1. Prodius says:

      First of all they are “men” who murdered and are child rapists, such a generalization is ignorant.

      Second the pedophiles that inhabited the Catholic church pale in comparidon to the US public school system where it seems pedophilia is a teacher’s union benifit sanctioned by the Union.

  6. NY9Solyndra says:

    Then I guess no one should trust any public K-12 teacher because they’ve committed far more sexual atrocities against children than priests have.

    1. joe says:

      YES …this is a fact that escapes haters

  7. boozy says:

    this silly fool does not really know who he is messing with…oh, my….the neophite is about to find out………my, my, my………

  8. Gunny G Alz says:


    Report readable at:

    The Anti Liberal Zone dot com

    1. Station says:

      He is not deserting them, he is getting them out of that hell hole after the real “Mission Accomplished” (He got bin Laden). As I recall, Dubya stated at a press conference in 2005 or 2006 that he wasn’t so concerned about “getting Osama.” He wasn’t concerned because it was too hard to get him.

      1. Susan Mays says:

        Obama did not “get Bin Laden” Our military did. Obama was busy playing golf and could not be bothered to make the go ahead decision so his cabinet did it for him.

      2. JD says:

        Yeah that’s what bush said:”it’s too hard to find him, I’m not concerned, screw you ‘Merica!”

        Get real!!!!! You act as if it were some conflicting defining decision for Obama to get OBL. Prey tell, which american president wouldn’t get OBL if afforded the opportunity?

        1. Brad says:

          JD– the easy answer to the question you posed about which prez wouldn’t get OBL if he had the chance is Bill Clinton.

  9. Andrew says:

    If you think the SEIU can ship in protestors, just wait. I think the Church will outdo them 10 to 1.

    1. elm says:

      “People and school kids will be bused in?” Are school kids not people? This attitude shows a anti-child mindset. The sleeping giant of Catholic conscience has been awakened.

      I can say something bad about my family, but you better hadn’t. The HHS has brought this issue on at it’s own peril. I see a pink slip in their future.

      1. kim says:

        babies are people to the liberals either,

        1. Geronimo says:

          Babies aren’t people to liberals. God Bless You…

    2. Andie says:

      I agree. The Catholic Church has always supported the democratic party candidates and I, as a Protestant, have never understood why, with the democratic stance on abortion. What gives now?

      1. John Magee says:

        Wrong. In 2004 56% of Catholics who voted voted for Bush 43.

        1. BishopLiberal says:

          We’re not talking about Catholics — we’re talking about the Catholic CHURCH, which DOES support the Democrats and the Democratic agenda.

        2. BishopLiberal says:

          In point of fact, the Church supported the healthcare bill that created this mess in the first place. Yes, they have fundamental religious principles (e.g. anti-abortion) — which is why they are taking a stand here — but they have tried to implement some of their agenda as a church (e.g. universal healthcare, amnesty for illegals) via political machinations and that has put them in bed with the devil.

  10. al says:

    this is the EXACT reason that it’s ridiculous that healthcare has ANYTHING to do with one’s employer

    1. CypressSteve says:

      …and this is the most valid comment on the topic. Employers should NOT be providing healthcare to ANYONE; they should never have been involved with it in the first place. People should be able to purchase it just as they do auto insurance, with a bare minimum plan provided by the government that is subsidized only for the very poor.

      The Federal government has taken our money from us and, with the power that comes from having control of the purse strings, it is dictating what we shall and shall not do. Freedom and responsibility have taken a 180 degree turn. This is not the America so many have fought and died for. We must turn it around before it’s no longer possible to do so.

      1. chadp71 says:

        This has to be the best plan I have seen yet. It’s also something that everyone on either side could find agreement with. With very little fine tuning this would allow 70% at least of America to finally put this to rest and keep both the Government and my employer out of my families health care. The same as they do not pick what car I buy because they have nothing to do with my car insurance. And if I chose to drive with out insurance no one will come and save me plus I get sued and lose everything its equal and fair to everyone and would give help to the poor.

        1. Deena says:

          The problem is liberals do not agree with this because they *want* to control everyone’s healthcare in their eugenicist mindset.

          1. HereHere says:

            Too true.

  11. New Yorker says:

    Half of these so-called Catholics elected this socialist. The chickens come home to roost. What did they think they were going to get? I’m an Orthodox Catholic, and it’s amusing to see the liberals who have dominated the Church since 1965 finally understand what they have done.

    1. Kevin Stowell says:

      As much as it pains me to say it, you’re right. Dems never have been anyone’s friends, just megalomaniacs who will crap on whomever they have to for poltiical power. I hope the day soon comes when the wholesale realization comes that they don’t care about a militarty person any more than the next person, too. They’ve never met a human being, pre-natal or post, they aren’t willing to kill in their lust for power.

      This from someone who, when he was eight years old, helped his Democrat precinct committee-woman mother plant yard signs for JFK.

    2. RestonResident says:

      Agreed, although I cannot be amused because it is so sad for all the rest of us.

    3. Richard says:

      I am an orthodox Catholic as well and I absolutely agree that it is the LIBERALS in the church who are fiully responsible for this sad state of affairs. The priest in my church PROUDLY proclaimed how he went to Washington DC for Obama’s inauguration. You know what he has all over his face but he won’t admit how wrong he was.

      1. David Ranaghan says:

        You should remind him how wrong he was. He’s still your brother.

    4. Joan says:

      Yes! Too little too late. They let it happen by their silence.

    5. Dutch says:

      The people you are referring to do not understand that there is another party. They were born and bred in the Democratic Party and will live and die there. They will simply vote for a different Democrat. There policy differences are immaterial; this is cultural and self-interest politics. They are deluded to think that the Dems will look out for their interests, when it is apparent the Dems only seek an opportunity to throw them under the bus. At least the Southern Democrats realized that the Dems no longer represented them and turned their allegiance to the Republicans.

    6. Jorge Lavanderia says:

      They still don’t get it. They are focusing entirely on overturning these regs. Fools. Slightly enlightened fools, which is good. But the bishops cannot yet understand that the underlying problem is big government, which most of them still favor.

      They need to get subsidiarity through their heads, for once. This may be the catalyst that finally accomplishes that. I hope so.

      But right now, the bishops still don’t get it. They only want Big Government to relent on these regs and then they think they’ll return to “normal.”

      I sincerely hope Obama pushes back so d**n hard that he finally wakes the Mitred Ones up.

    7. Orthodoxy says:

      Um, you may be Catholic, but you’re being UNorthodox in labeling yourself as “Orthodox Catholic.” “Catholic” MEANS orthodox (little “o”), which makes your label redundant at best. Big “O” Orthodox is a different branch of Christianity from Catholicism. I’m just sayin’ …

  12. vtwin says:

    Both Catholics and orthodox Jews oppose abortion. I’m not either, and as far as I’m concerned, it’s an issue between the woman and her doctor. The government has no business meddling one way or the other.
    That being said, no government has the right to force anyone to do what he or she finds morally repugnant.
    In November I will definitely vote for ABO (Anyone But Obama).

    1. me3213 says:

      Bud, have you read any biology?!!! A baby is SEPARATE from the mother!!!

    2. Khadijah BintMuhammad says:

      The Muslims stand with the Catholics.

      1. jmjLeslie says:

        Thanks, Khadijah! I am an orthodox Catholic Christian, and I appreciate your solidarity on this. God bless you.

      2. David Ranaghan says:

        Thank you, brother.

      3. c w says:

        as do the “mormons”. We will stand with all churches in this fight. People need to wake up, get out and vote to make a big change in 2012. The constant fight against Christianity and all religious beliefs from the liberal left is unacceptable. The government should completely stay away from mandating churches to support the garbage that organizations like “Planned Parenthood” support.

      4. NancyM says:

        Thank you – and you stand with the Lutherans

    3. kathleen firth-comerford says:

      I totally agree. Nicely put. Do any of you haters get it? The government should not dictate, DICTATE, to the Church, It’s called the First Amendment!!! I love the justifications of the overstepping of the Government here. The Church should not have to pay for abortion pills, sterilizations, or anything else that is morally against their creed. No one is keeping women from getting those things. The Church should not be forced by the Government to pay for it!!! Unbelievable how quickly the screamers about separation of Church and State over any mention of a God, use the First Amendment arguments, but have no problem when the Government clearly dictates what the Church can do. Seems a little hypocritical and Oh, and the Government would not allow Catholic Chaplains to mention this, either, in the military. EXCELLENT! I hope the Supreme Court rules 9-0 as they recently did against the Obama’s power grabs when the administration tried to say they had something to say about who churches could hire! I can’t wait til Obama gets the smack down the wannabe Dictator deserves!!!!

  13. MichaelG says:

    Obama will lose this fight and hopefully this radical Catholic-hater will be voted out of office. Outrageous that he has declared war on religious freedom in this country.

  14. Jay Kellog says:

    AMEN! You Catholics, via your Church leaders, got behind his Socialist agenda calling it a “moral imperative” to force people to buy a service from the Govt. Now you reap what you sow. We warned you not to get in bed with the Snake, now don’t act shocked that he bit you. You WILL now pay for birth control and abortions. Get used to it.

    1. jeff m says:

      Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Church will close down the hospitals before it endorses something that is directly opposed to the teaching of the Church. As for Catholics that endorsed Obamacare, perhaps you are referring to Pelosi, et. al. Last time I checked, she didn’t have a mitre on her head.

    2. Marcus Aurelio says:

      Well said Jay Kellog!! I’m Catholic, but I agree with you one hundred percent. Moreover, even though it was well known that as an Illinois State Senator Obama voted on more than one occasion to deny effective protection even to babies born alive during abortions, he still won 58% of the “Catholic” vote in the presidential election. With “Catholics” like these, who needs Democrats?

    3. pattybama says:

      I’m not Catholic but I stand with you now. No gov’t has the right to tell you what to believe or how to believe it. Tell me when you will march on Washington to let them know this, and I will go, peacefully, with you!

      1. jmjLeslie says:

        God bless you!

  15. Trisha says:

    The Catholic Church made a Faustian bargain with the Devil in supporting the Democratic agenda, ignoring the evil of abortion and stating it is morally equivalent to not helping the poor and crimes against the ebpnvironment. The Catholic Universities in this country have supported the progressive agenda of the far left. The genie is out of the bottle thanks to the Church leaders.

    1. Beth says:

      The fix is in. All the sound and fury is just standard Kabuki theater. Since the first thirty pieces of silver, the Catholic Church has followed a policy where all is for sale. Obama will pay the church off and the church will do his bidding.

      1. Jorge Lavanderia says:

        Pay the Church off, with what? He’s printing money. He has nothing, zero, nada.

        “Pay the Church off”–get your head out of the bigoted anti-Catholic textbooks from centuries past and wake up.

        Half the bishops still don’t get it but not because they’ve been paid off. Because they are stupid. But even stupid sleeping giants can be awakened.

        You, however, are a different case. You are filled with bigotries of the past. Bigots sleep much more soundly and rarely wake up.

    2. David Ranaghan says:

      Faust finally repented. The American Catholic Church will not buckle to this tyrant. We’re wise to him now.

  16. Cain says:

    This doesn’t apply to Churches. Only hospitals, schools, and charities.

    1. RuRu says:

      We realize that but a religious catholic should not be forced to provide these services if this is against and repugnant to their beliefs.
      Wake up, I am not catholic but i am again st killing babies, I guess you are ok with it?

    2. BullPasture says:

      It doesn’t matter who it applies to . THe federal government has no business dictating such things to any group or person.

    3. Fidelio says:

      These services (not rights, by the way) are a natural outgrowth of Christian love for our fellow man (woman, child, etc.). They are as much a part of the Church as daily Mass and the sacraments.

    4. Dedemona says:

      What about a Catholic businessman who believes that sterilization or the morning-after pill is sinful? Doesn’t he have the right to follow his conscience & provide an insurance plan for his employees that are lin line with his beliefs?

    5. Abel says:

      To say this does not apply to the church ignores who pays for the hospitals, schools and charities.

  17. chuck says:

    I am not sure what we should think. Clearly this sets a bad president! When you have groups like the National Abortions Rights Action League which are clearly anti-catholic bigoted groups line up with the President you have to be concerned. I don’t really have an issue with birth control if a woman chooses to use it (yes I am a Catholic), on the other hand where does the government control stop.This sets the stage for the government demanding abortions at Catholic hospitals. Unfortunately you have these folks like H star who use this to start hating on Catholics, leave us alone and go back to your Newt Gingrich rally (yes I know that he is pretending to be Catholic).

    1. David Ranaghan says:

      I’m glad you recognize the slippery slope that the new health law established. Pope Paul VI saw it decades ago, but sadly, the laity didn’t see it. Here we are. Even if Gingrich were a fake, and he may be, he might end up what he claims to be, and that’s better than what we have now.

  18. jeff m says:

    Sorry to narrow your brush, but there were Catholics that (unfortunately) supported H and Catholics that saw him for what he was and opposed him. By and large, neither group benefits from the health care and adoption services provided by Catholics everywhere. Further, you may be willing to surrender your liberty to the Federal Government. Go for it. However, that does not mean that the Church needs to be answer to your god, the Federal Government.

    It is the duty of every Catholic to not obey unjust laws.

  19. BPatMan says:

    Obama repeatedly shows that he hates Christians. It is time for us to stand up and oppose him!

    1. themadjewess says:

      Past time.

  20. Annie66 says:

    This Communist SOB needs to be out of office. Catholics and others, can you say impeachment?

    1. NY9Solyndra says:


      When he loses in November, he’s going to take down with him record numbers of Dem politicians at the federal, state, county, and city level.

      It’s going to be the biggest rout of the communists in history.

      If Barry doesn’t run or is impeached, then Dems will regroup and distance themselves from him. They’ll blame it on racism.

      No, we WANT Barry to run again. That’s the best thing that can happen for conservatives.

    2. USArmyCombatMedic says:

      If you understood communism, you would know that President Obama is in no way communist. Socialist…maybe. Certainly not communist.

      1. Todd Clemmer says:

        The only difference between the two is one is enforced with votes and the other with weapons.

      2. oldsarge38 says:

        Actually I think he is a hybrid. Both socialist and marxist. As was his father.

        1. LBaker says:

          I believe he’s a mongrel, Socialist, Marxist……with his Grandparents teaching him Communism.

      3. Station says:

        Pure capitalism is a myth. Even Adam Smith acknowledged this. It is a notion for simple minded, ignorant Americans who always vote against their interests.

  21. Steve says:

    “I would certainly vote for Obama anyway. The church has to get up to date,” Manhattan resident Sue Thomas said.

    Wow – someone from NYC is still going to vote for Obama? I am shocked. Absolutely shocked.

    That’s like asking someone in Utah if they’re going to vote for Romney.

    1. USArmyCombatMedic says:

      Or asking someone from California if they will vote for Mary Jane as a write-in!

    2. Jake Dunne says:

      Good point//// Go Romney!

    3. xyz says:

      you’re dumber than dirt…no, you’re dumber than the dumbest..O’duma himself…

  22. Franc says:

    This isn’t for the health and welfare of American women. It’s for the joy of American boys. Require ALL women to have birth control and get rid of all the need to have a commitment before sex. Make it the woman’s sole responsibility for the outcome. Who needs father’s anyway.

    1. John says:

      Do you realize how many American girls chase boys down for sex nowadays? This is not just for American boys. It’s for both of them.

    2. NancyM says:

      You are absolutely right. It took me 58 years to realize that Free Love in the 60s and Women’s Lib was basically ALL about free sex for college guys.

      We bought it. And we had the abortions. And we spend our lives seeking redemption.

      BTW – I love men. I am happily married – but I do live with shame for my life and sorrow for the young women today who have bought this sham of “freedom”

      The real freedom is the freedom to say, “No, I’m waiting for the guy who will make a vow before God to Love me in sickness and in health, for better or for worse.

      Good luck, young women – Obama is NOT really on your side, he’s for the sex without worries folks

  23. Father Freighbasse says:

    “Doctors destroy health,
    lawyers destroy justice,
    psychiatrists destroy minds,
    scientists destroy truth,
    major media destroys information,
    religions destroy spirituality and
    governments destroy freedom.” ~ Michael Ellner


    1. Fidelio says:

      Good quote, but I can’t say I agree that “religions destroy spirituality”. Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church (one religion) and He didn’t do that to destroy spirituality. The Church channels the gift of faith toward God, its proper Object.

      1. Canof Sand says:

        You’re replying to a 9/11 truther spambot. Just FYI.

        1. db_cooper says:

          ok, but it’s never really about the original poster…. it’s about the many more who read it the exchange.

      2. Justin Keeble says:

        No he didn’t it was founded by Emperor Constantine in 313AD as a way to cling to power as the Roman Empire floundered. Jesus was a Jew, he practised Judaism and never advocated for a split from Judaism. Anybody that believes Jesus was a prophet should also claim to be a Jew, there was no such thing as Christianity to Jesus. He believed, you are either one of Gods chosen people, a Jew, or you go to hell.

        Back on topic, you liked the quote, especially the bits that mirror your prejudices, great. But you want to dispute a bit that targets something you believe in, oh dear we have a problem. I know, cling to the stuff that mirrors your ignorances and pretend the other bit doesn’t exist. Just like you do with your religion.

        Have a nice day.

      3. Jon Weiss says:

        Yes, Jesus did create the Church, not necessarily the “Catholic” Church, but the Church nonetheless. But since then man has perverted what Jesus created.

        Examine the Catholic Church of today. It is a model of avarice and greed, the church buildings are adorned with gold and jewels, handed to it by its members. Compare the amount of wealth on display at St Peter’s Basilica and the amount of wealth spent by the Church on Non Catholic poor people, the variance is staggering.

        Jesus taught that we are to give to the Church, but he did not teach that the Church was to hoard the wealth. Rather that the church was charged, as were the Apostles, to care for the poor, and that anyone who had less then you is “poor”. The poor were not just the destitute. The primary difference between Jesus and the “spread the wealth” liberals is that Jesus taught that we are to spread the wealth as a matter of individual choice, not as a matter of government dictate. The reality is that the unChristian form of Church’s that many are today, these Church’s need spirituality, but spirtiuality can get along fine without all the trappings of the Church. “Church’s” who meet in peoples homes and have no building belonging to the “Church” often do more beneficial Christlike actions than some of the mega churches that do nothing but enrich their pastors, and cater to their regualar attendees.

      4. Keith Greene says:

        Prove from scripture Bible where Jesus founded the Catholic Church. Geez.

        1. hmm says:

          Keith, I leave it to you to look up chapter and verse. These are from teh new testament, probably the Gospel of John, but I could be wrong–

          Your name is now Peter — Cephas (which means rock). And upon this rock I will build my Church. the the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
          What you hold lose on Earth will be held loose in heaven, and what you hold tight on Earth will be held tight in Heaven.

    2. Sue Herynk says:

      Amen to that!

  24. CharroR says:

    I am a Black Catholic male and what Obama is attempting to do is prohibit life from commencing and once life has begun, Obama wants to end life through abortion. I didn’t vote for him the first time and I won’t vote for him this time. He needs to go back to Kenya and practice is ideas there because his ideas when it comes to life is unacceptable to Americans. PEOPLE….WAKE UP. This man is evil.

    1. Fidelio says:

      Too cruel to Kenyans!

    2. jesse marcelj says:

      God Bless you

  25. Bruce says:

    The Church has danced with the devil. They are back seat socialist accomplices to the leftist agenda. Paybacks are hell. As a Catholic I must say they deserve it.

    1. Fidelio says:

      “They”? You are a part of the Mystical Body of Christ? It is one thing to want justice for individuals who have been foolish and negligent, another thing to ask for persecution of the Bride of Christ.

    2. cool says:

      then you must also be one of those socialist…

    3. Jorge Lavanderia says:

      They came for the Communists and you didn’t speak up because you weren’t a Communist.
      They came for the trade unionists and you didn’t speak up because you weren’t a trade unonist.
      They came for the Jews and you didn’t speak up because you weren’t a Jew.
      They came for the Catholics and you shouted from the rooftops, they sure as h**l have it coming, yippee.

      Then they came for you and there was no one left to speak up, so they gagged your pie hole and trundled you off to their Sensitivity Center Reeducation Camp hells.

  26. Fidelio says:

    This is not just a Catholic issue, but one for every person who cherishes his or her First Amendment right — freedom of religious expression, given by God and guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. “First they came for the Jews and the gypsies, then the homosexuals, then the Catholics, then…” YOU.

    1. db_cooper says:

      exactly… so many people have died for this constitution and the liberty it protects… are people today willing to fight and die for these freedoms… here, inside the United States? If another civil war is necessary… will people become cowards, or will they fight? Has the federal government become so powerful that ideologues from one side can trample the consitution, and oppress the rest of us? Obama is the closest thing to a tyrant that we have experienced in this country, and I don’t know what’s scarier… that very fact, or the fact that so many too blind or stupid to recognize it, because they happen to be on the side of the ideologue of the moment. I am willing to FIGHT and DIE for these freedoms… in particular, for my freedom to practice my faith, and NOT be FORCED to work or pay for practices that I know to be intrinsically EVIL. By the way… willingness to fight does not only imply willingness to die… it also implies willingness to KILL, if there should be a civil war.

  27. JohnF says:

    People are free to choose health care providers, and determine if they want one that pays for birth control. Those that want health insurance providers to pay for birth control will only increase the rates of insurances that provide it. There is no reason the pro-choice group needs to get upset over the Catholic church not wanting their insurance company to have to provide for it. And the Catholic church doesn’t care of other insurance companies provide it.

    The government has no business telling insurance companies what they can and cannot cover.

  28. Virginia says:

    The Catholic Vote will now reject you this time Mr. Obama

    1. NY9Solyndra says:

      He’s still got the Islamofascist vote sewn up!

    2. NY9Solyndra says:

      and the black supremacist vote, too!

      1. NY9Solyndra says:

        can’t forget the communist vote, he’s definitely got that.

        1. Separation of Church from State! says:

          And where does the White Supremacist fascist vote go? To the REPUGNICANT party. Disgusting! Keep your filthy bible off my clean body. Separation of church from state IS the American way. Thank goodness for Obama!!!!!

          1. ynt says:

            Who cares who votes as long as they vote but this vote is going to put the empty suit dictator out to pasture. you’ll get over it in time.

          2. Cubz Fan says:

            Separation of Church and State: You’re a little dense. No. Alot. In your inability to see the forest for the trees, you fail to notice the State is violating the very tenant you proclaim. It should be separation of Church and State (With the State not trying to dictate doctrine or practices of the Church). Obama now has upturned 500 years of tradition in this country by making the Word of God subject to his proclamations and edicts like he is some king or something.

            1. sceptic says:

              The supreme court just heard a case where a woman that worked at a church had a child out of wedlock and the church fired her. guess what, the firing was upheld. Let this go to the supreme court to be decide by the laws of the constitution. This president and his minions treat the constitution like toilet paper.

          3. Catholic&Embarassed To Say So says:


            1. Indy Esquire says:

              And if you would only keep your filthy vagina off man’s penis, you would never have to worry about any of this in the first place.

              If you choose to have sex, you willingly choose to risk the natural consequence of it, which is pregnancy. Why should another human life be forced to suffer death for your convenience?

  29. CHUCK says:

    No matter wheer you stand on abortion yu have to stand against this decision. It is a direct attack on the Constitution and leaves all of us subject to the whims of a President that has very few morals that he follow. If he gets by with this we have major problems ahead of us on many fronts. For once people need to stand up and be counted.

  30. Cain says:

    RomneyCare had the same requirement.

    The church was against condoms until 2010.

    Yeah they’re behind the times by a lot. 73% of Catholic women use contraceptives.

    1. Fedpro says:

      Wrong, MassHealth does not require religious organizations to provide contraceptive and abortion services when it violates their beliefs. Get your facts straight.

    2. Canof Sand says:

      Gingrich, is that you, you ol’ smearmonger?

  31. volt007 says:

    Just the tip of the Obama Communist ice burg. The Catholic Church is learning a tough lesion after stupidly voting for him in 08.

    1. RestonResident says:

      The “Catholic Church” did not vote for Obama. People who call themselves Catholics but who do not adhere to Catholic doctrine voted for Obama.

      1. hmm says:

        Oh my God! There’s at least one Conservative, thinking, intelligent person left in Reston, VA. Dude, if you go to the Catholic Church up that way and tell the folks there that voting for Obama was wrong, they will ride you out on a rail.
        I sympathize greatly but seriously after looking at the “Peace and Justice” crowd in our diocese, (many of them diocesan employees) and their support for Obama’s policies and platform, and the great silence from local hierarchy and pastors during Obama’s candidacy, well, I can see why people would say this…

    2. Lisa says:

      This is it in a nut shell– about time the church speaks.. hope it’s not too late.

  32. readmylips says:

    God’s Word does not change. Only people want to change it. His Word is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.

    1. NY9Solyndra says:

      Barry interprets the Word of God to match Barry’s political beliefs.

    2. Matt says:

      Yes. it is. The grass withers and the flowers fade, but the word of our God stands forever. Isaiah 40: 8

  33. NY9Solyndra says:

    Jesus talks to Barry to tell him what the IRS tax code should be, according to Barry.

  34. chris says:

    Whats this may alter the election, I’m ready for another Putz removal program a 100 more career politicians out both party’s and The Don’ Obamanucci.. I must add that the Pope and the Vatican should not be for a Central world banking authority. we got tons to do folks . word from Detroit

    1. Kmbold says:

      Lead on.

  35. john kania says:

    It’s time to fight back the federal govt has now and contiues to go to far, stand your ground or give up your right to keep the feds out of your life. We can do fine without your help, always have and will do fine without there help. we are are not sheep waiting to be lead to slaughter by the Master in DC.

  36. Dave says:

    “’I would certainly vote for Obama anyway. The church has to get up to date,’ Manhattan resident Sue Thomas said.”

    So Sue, do you believe it is a valid function of the US Government to modify or overrule, by force, basic beliefs of religious organizations?

    1. Dan Giordano says:

      Sue compromised her faith the first time she voted for Obama knwing he was for partial birth abortion. Christ says you can’t serve two masters because you’ll love one and hate the other. The Democratic Party agrees, that’s why they urge Christians to separate church and state when voting. Obama was right about American no longer being a Christian Nation. If it were, he wouldn’t have been elected

    2. HansJurgen says:

      It a radical plan of the Anti-Christ to overrule, by force basic beliefs of religious organizations. Hhhhhmmmm, could Obummer be the Anti-Christ? Abort him NOW!!!

    3. Steven says:

      DAVE you are a typical Manhattan liberal A HOLE. Did you ever hear of Freedom Of Religion in the Constitution? Or does an African Muslim street thug from Chicago get to say screw the Constitution again and tell Catholics that the government is going to force them to violate one of their most basic and sacred rules about life. After all, no matter how you couch it in language, Abortion is not “choice” it’s killing babies. And I often wonder with all the problems we face in life and in the world, what made women turn against their own babies in their womb and fight for the right to kill them. You’re reading this from a man who isn’t even religious, but I know right from wrong, and “choice” from killing a human baby in a woman’s womb.

      1. DagnerMouse says:

        I don’t follow you, Steven. Dave posts a quote from an Obama supporter, asks of that person a pointed question about the limits of the government’s authority and reach, and does so in a manner which strongly suggests a conservative interpretation of the situation, and he’s a “typical Manhattan liberal A HOLE”? Is it opposite day in your mind?

  37. WingedHussar84 says:

    It is refreshing to see the Bishops be the shepherds that they are meant to be. This event further underscores the fact that of the 60-odd million Catholics in America, many will reject infallible teaching to the face of the Church.

    Will Catholics follow Casti Connubii? Will many rather cry out Non Serviam?

    When His Grace Archbishop John Myers names the time and place I’m there. The media will say ‘a few thousand’ turned out when millions actually congregate to protest this action.

    1. db_cooper says:

      Winged… trouble is, most Catholics haven’t read Casti Connubii, nor have they even read Humanae Vitae… God bless John Myers, but most Catholics watch Mike Meyers and listen to John Meyer… which is why they are a bunch of Oscar Meyers with no moral discernment, prudence or spine.

  38. Roger says:

    Pro-choice advocates pretend that Catholic employees don’t have choices now. They have choices, they just can’t take choice away from the church in what it pays for.

  39. Chere says:

    I’m a Catholic and although I support the DREAM Act and other democrat platforms, I will not compromise my views on abortion. Obama can count me as one less supporter

    1. Dave LaSorte says:

      You were an idiot to vote for him the first time…

      1. Fidelio says:

        Now, now, give her some room to grow.

        1. kansas says:

          voting for Obama proved you were not a racist, now do not vote for Obama and prove that you are not an idiot.

  40. Jpac says:

    Maybe it’s time the Church should turn off the lights in the hospitals, schools and charities. Maybe it is time to show the citizens of this country what Hell looks like: separation from God and chaos…. Christ descended into Hell for three days, he rose again, it was in his rising that the Church quickened.

    May God bless us all. Pray for the conversion of souls shackled to the slavery of death.

  41. hihoze says:

    All Marxist Socialist governments seek to control and abolish the churches and others who stand between the State and its Slaves. Obama and the Democratic Socialist Party are following in the footsteps of Marx not Madison.

  42. h star says:

    and another thing….how on earth can you catholics support the party of partial bith (baby mutilating) abortion?

    1. jeff m says:

      No Catholic can support any type of direct abortion. To willing do so means automatic excommunication (CCC 2272). Pelosi and Sebellius are right-to-murder heretics. They have separated themselves from the Church.

    2. RestonResident says:

      People can call themselves Catholics but just be CINOs (Catholics in name only). Anybody who identifies himself as a Catholic, but votes for a politician or party who supports partial birth abortion, IS NOT a Catholic adhering to the doctrine of the Catholic Church.

    3. Emily Robinson says:

      I vote for President Obama becvasue he is a good God fearing Christian man who has my best interest at heart and is doing a good job running this Country I know God has showed him favor and will contiue to do so. God Bless 🙂

  43. jeff m says:

    H is a pro-abortion zealot. He is willing to murder his own unborn grandchild. He is pro-abortion through all nine months. He manifests wanton homicidal intent. Any Catholic that would consider voting for this man needs to carefully read the Catechism paragraph 2272 and talk to their confessor.

    1. Clarity-jane Seer says:

      He is evil and working for UN and Illuminati’s agenda to Depopulation any way shape or form! vaccines being pushed by the government and Bill Gates’s are causing cancer epidemically! Millions of abortions is DEPOPULATION!

  44. HansJurgen says:

    Great, Obummer’s “Heath Car Reform bill”. Now, if we can just learn to spell or edit or have a pill that will enable our brains to spell correctly. On Obummer, yep, I’m at “war” with him as well and I hope to “abort” him out this year.

  45. Martha Scott says:

    that Obama will have alot to answer for. If not here and now in the next world. He is not God and will find that out. I just hope it’s sooner than later.

  46. Gene from Indiana says:

    This isn’t just about Cqtholics. As a Lutheran pastor, I would point out our large system of schools and hospitals. And yes,, we will refrain from voting for Obama due to this position.

    1. Catherine Alexander says:

      That’s good to hear, Gene.

    2. Burt Hicks says:

      Thanks, Gene, for showing that it’s not just Catholics who find this government intrusion unacceptable. As an active Pentecostal (Assemblies of God) church member I can assure you most of us are with you. (There are still a few Obama bumper stickers on members’ cars.)

  47. AtlasObjectivist says:

    A total outrage. There is something seriously wrong with this president.

    1. phillysmart says:

      …the guy is not intereted in bringing this country back he is interested in destroying it Obama is not an American he holds none of our vlues he is a closet Muslim when will you people get it

    2. Thank Goodness for Obama! says:

      The “total outrage” is from the so called catholic church for trying to un-write separation of church from state. Thank goodness for Obama, and shame on the religious nut jobs.

      1. mimsi says:

        Goodness and Obama have nothing in common.
        Don’t you understand? Catholics want the government ( OBAMA ) to BE SEPARATED from the state ( the people)….Can you not see what is happening? First his Administration mandates ultimate authority over your body and health, now they are moving at breakneck speed into the spiritual life of millions of people. We are incrementally becoming communist. You probably won’t even notice however, until they rule by law that you swallow some pill that you find personally bitter or far worse. Of course, by then it will be completely pointless to complain or feign outrage at the so called “religious right.”. For God’s sake, or if you’re an atheist, then for your own sake, GET A CLUE.

      2. Anne says:

        Thank you for your great comment. You are a critical thinker and have a good mind.

        The Roman Catholic Church, a patriarchal institution, has for too many years interfered in the lives of Catholics. The Church refuses to believe/acknowledge that despite their “laws”, women and couples will do what they feel in their own conscience.

        I thank God for President Obama. He cares for people, using his Christian faith as his guide. God bless him and his family.

        God bless you and I bless you.

  48. Stephen Masek says:

    Thanks Obama – this will indeed help get rid of you and the other radical leftists.

  49. rhode island says:

    Obama is a liar and hates the Catholic Church. He WILL NOT have my vote in November!!!!

  50. Clark says:

    The church has to get up to date? Who is supposedly leading the church? I thought that would be God’s decision, so does God need to get up to date?

    1. lc says:

      God is immutable. Apparently the poster who said “the church has to get up to date” hasn’t been in a while (or ever) or would know that God does not change.

      1. Clark says:

        My point exactly lc. We need to rid ourselves of pride and follow God.

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