Sources: President Promised Dolan That He Would 'Get Most Of What He Wanted'

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — Cardinal-designate Timothy Dolan says President Barack Obama hasn’t kept his promise, when it comes to the new White House policy on contraception.

Sources told CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer that Archbishop Dolan feels betrayed after his meeting with the president on the issue late last year.

A Catholic group in Alabama filed the first lawsuit against the Obama administration’s new birth control regulations as the controversy got even more heated Thursday.

LISTEN: WCBS 880’s Rich Lamb reports

The president ducked questions about the contraception controversy that is bedeviling his administration. The reason may be the latest attack from Dolan, who, sources told CBS 2, feels he was stabbed in the back by the president after the two met to discuss the issue.

“He was worried about being at odds with the Church, especially when it came to health care and education and charitable outreach,” Dolan told Kramer.

Kramer: “He made promises to you that he apparently hasn’t kept?”

Dolan: “Well, yeah. I’m honest in saying I feel a bit let down.”

Sources close to Dolan told Kramer that the archbishop felt betrayed after a November meeting with President Obama to discuss the contraception issue. Sources said the president promised Dolan that he would “get most of what he wanted.”

Instead, the administration issued a directive forcing Catholic institutions like schools and hospitals to pay for things like birth control and the morning after pill for their employees. The nation’s 355,000 churches are exempt.

“He assured me my administration wants to work closely with you,” Dolan said.

But that experience has left Dolan leery of any compromises the Obama administration might come up with.

“You would not be surprised that I’m a little skeptical,” Dolan said.

Democrats say it’s not about religion at all, but rather giving women the freedom to make their own choices.

“One million people and their dependents are employees at religiously sponsored hospitals and another 2 million students and workers are at religiously sponsored colleges and universities — far too many women to exclude from crucial health coverage,” Rep. Carolyn Maloney said.

“My colleagues and I stand in solidarity with American women who have waited decades for equity in contraceptive coverage,” said Westchester Rep. Nita Lowey.

“No one is telling the bishops anything about the religious practices of the Catholic church,” said Rep. Jerrold Nadler from Manhattan. “What is at issue here is that the bishops want the ability to impose their religious beliefs on other people, on the employees of religiously affiliated hospitals and universities.”

WATCH: CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer reports 

But Republicans in Congress plan to make the birth control provision in the Obama health care law an election year issue.

“This is very straightforward. This is about whether the government of the United States should have the power to go in and tell a faith-based organization that they have to pay for something they teach their members they shouldn’t be doing,” Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Florida) said Wednesday.

House Speaker John Boehner is already laying out steps to reverse the policy.

“If the president does not reverse the department’s attack on religious freedom, then the Congress acting on behalf of the American people and the Constitution that we’re sworn to uphold, must,” Boehner said Wednesday.

Most health care plans already cover contraception and according to surveys, most Catholic women use it and according to the Center for Disease Control, 99 percent of women will use contraceptives at some point.

“That’s the point of the Affordable Health Care Act, that all Americans will have access to the kind of health care they need,” said Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Illinois).

Obama is standing by the new policy, but said he is looking for ways to compromise, including one option where religious employers would not have to cover birth control so long as they refer employees to an insurer who would provide it.

The new policy is set to take effect in August. The controversy won’t go away until some compromise is reached, and now with the suit being filed some may wait to see if it is upheld or struck down.

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Comments (235)
  1. daveb says:

    Obama reneged on a promise. You mean he lied.
    Wow. that is shocking!
    You morons voted for this muslim terrorist.
    He will promise anyone anything for a vote!!

    1. Chris says:

      Great – you have now learned that Politicians have to make compromises and can’t keep everyone happy all the time. Now you can advance to learn how to tie up your shoe laces.

    2. Pat says:

      Exactly, the Catholic church is acting like they didn’t make a pact with the devil when they endorsed Obama in 08! They are reaping what they have sewn when Catholics voted for him in droves!

  2. jack says:

    Where I am from most Catholics are Democrats, the churches supported Obama and the Frenchmen voted for him. Now you can see why many of us didn’t want him. What did you expect from a socialist?? They love telling you what to do. You got what you voted for.

    1. Perspectiveb says:

      Yup…we Catholics are a foolish and trusting group. ( Not me..I used to be, but travelling to East Germany when there was a Wall, and to Greece, France, and Italy, those “great” socialist nations in my 20s, taught me why America was so great, and started me wondering why, if socialism is so great, the poor in Europe were so much poorer than the poorest people I knew in the Charity Hospital I worked).

      I tried to tell my priest and my fellow Catholics who this guy is and what the Dem party has become..they thought I was a right-wing nutcase. We are duped by our trust in God, forgetting that we can not trust men and women who have power over us. We are duped by confusing “charity” from our hearts with theft by govt fiat/vote. We get confused between the priest and our faith exhorting us on how to live for our own happiness and to grow in love, and men/women mandating how we live to grow THEIR power over us.

      We forget we are first and foremost a Contitutional Republic, not a democracy. Democracy is 6 lions and 4 sheep voting on dinner plans…bye sheep. A Constitutional Republic is 6 lions and 4 sheep voting on dinner plans, but it can’t be the sheep ( who are armed and ready in case the lions forget the Constitutional Bill of Rights).

      Above all, we assume that because we are generous givers to charity, we can force, somehow, everyone else to give as we do, but forget that forcing someone to part with the fruits of their labor is THEFT. This “health care” law is theft..theft from those who pay for the insurance for those who don’t, theft of the spirit of those of us who abhor abortion in favor of those who do.

      I hope Catholics are waking up. They get duped every time by Utopian promises and dreams of their fathers…and end up in the gas chambers.

      Wake up everyone…your liberty and the liberty of your children is at stake.

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  3. Joseph daub says:

    If the church paid taxes, they might have standing. The Church is a business, albeit the ‘business of hope’ in Dolan’s own words. The are not subject to audit, they are not subject to the rule of most laws. They should be subject to the same laws governing employment that every other business is bound by. We live in a COUNTRY, not a fiefdom of some church. The constitution is the supreme law of the land. Period. A hospital is not a church. That church cannot even police its own priests, how can they pretend to be able to have any moral standing whatsoever? It’s all BS. Freedom FROM religion is also protected.

    1. sguild says:

      Joseph daub = mindless idiot. The Bamster has already been rebuked by the Supreme Court (9-0) that the Federal Govt has NO SAY in the hiring practices of religious institutions. The Court will side with the Catholic Church on this one. That aside, I hope that this idiot Obama and the Libs keep pushing this mandate all the way to election day.

    2. Bob says:

      Nice Try Joseph– 45% of the people in this country don’t pay taxes and they still have standing.

    3. Christine says:

      Amen to that. Myself being tired of hearing and seeing Dolan at every turn of a political event, I agree we also have freedom from religion. If Catholics choose to fill up minivans with a dozen rugrats, because the church “Says it is so”, sounds much like ‘And the animals came aboard, two by two.’..If Catholics can;t act responsibly and think for themselves, a simple law governing a hospital that treats one and all, not just Catholics, should be passed immediately if not sooner. The Cathoic church does not rule the world, and nor do the Catholics themselves. For an organization that swore to a life of austerity and poverty, Cadillacs, Lincolns and Lexus; driven by priests is far from austerity. Nor are yearly refacings of Church facads, and constant construction. Yet they have the ordacity to send the collection plate around at least three times an hour. And now expect at least 10% of a members income to be donated. Start taxing the church like a business, because the upper crust lives very well, at the expense of the blinded members.

  4. GHBratton says:

    This is not simply a gov. vs Catholic issue. All who believe life begins at conception are affected. Also, why has no one mentioned that people choose where they work. No one makes women work in institutions that don’t provide this insurance. Go find another job rather than making people of conscience violate their religious beliefs to pay for your coverage.

    1. KPMc says:

      “people of conscience”

      The Catholic Church??? Now that’s funny.

  5. Mister H says:

    The Church absolutely has bee right on the issue of birth control.

    For those who wish to learn why the Church is correct on this issue, an excellent commentary and further resource links can be found here:

  6. Azpe says:

    How old is Nolan? He has not learned yet that socialists and communists ALWAYS break their promises when it suits them???

    1. Robert Eckstein says:

      Is’nt that the truth!, Even though I am a Catholic I can’t help but think these dolts think they can dance with the Devil and not get burned. Thanks Cardinal-designate Timothy Dolan and the rest of you sociallists for dragging Gods trully blessed country down!

    2. KPMc says:

      The Catholic Church has NEVER embraced Socialism/Communism. Rather they turned to Fascism to protect their perverted interests.

      Read a book or watch the History channel once i awhile.

  7. Edgar Sousa says:

    Let the Dems and Obama dig in on this one and refuse to work with the Church. That will bring about the biggest Dem she-lacking in recent history. Bye Bye Obama in Nov.

  8. JAY says:

    If you are a Catholic who owns a business you had no chance for an exemption. The Bishops sold out the Catholic businessman and thought they had a deal for themselves. Tough on them.

    1. Telos says:

      Just don’t offer health insurance

      1. Don says:

        That is Obama’s true goal. He wants single payer healthcare and has said so publicly. First he needs to destroy all the alternatives. Pushing the Catholic Church to drop health insureance is a big step in that direction.

        To quote Rush: “I hope he fails.”

  9. Mike says:

    The majority of Catholics are Democrats. Maybe now they’ll finally wake up and stop voting for Communism.

    1. Telos says:

      The Chinese didn’t. That is why they are now communist. You think we will be any different?

  10. Robert says:

    If you play with a snake, don’t be supriised when the snake bites and it hurts.

    1. Lela says:

      Useful idiots are always surprised when they are betrayed.

    2. Ralph says:

      I agree with you 100%. He feels like this now? Where was he during the ObamaCare BS!

  11. Fanny Forbes Franklen says:

    Impeach Obama.

    1. Christie: the Governor that ate NJ says:

      But first let’s impeach Bush! I think he deserves it more than any other President…

      1. Christie: the Governor that ate NJ says:

        Oops, should have said let’s jail Bush.

        1. sguild says:

          Maybe you should work on jump starting your brain before posting. Hmmm?

    2. storm915 says:

      Under what grounds? You will need more than getting a BJ this time around.

  12. John Barnett says:

    Don’t you love nature, despite wht it did to you.

  13. John Barnett says:

    I think Hitler told Poland he wouldn’t invade, me thinks the Cardinal-Designate was lied to by Mine Furhrer Obama.

    1. Chris says:

      Pope Pius was apparently quite chummy with Hitler. And Ratzinger was apparently a member of the Hitler Youth movement. Collaboration with Nazis is nothing new to the Catholic church.

  14. NDB says:

    So wqe taxpayers should give every woman free birth control pills at a cost of $500 per woman and this is to combat what illness?

    1. ottomustaine says:

      To combat pregnancy, of course. Didn’t you know pregnancy is an illness? I’m sure some of Obama’s friends at Planned Parenthood or Zero Population Growth would be happy to explain it to you.

      1. LWB says:

        That is Planned Abortionhood’s agenda after all. Zero Population Growth. Especially of white male Christians. They just hate on the white male Christians.

    2. storm915 says:

      You know the illness of: Viagra abuse..or .the “cant keep it in my pants” disease…or the dreaded, she said NO, but I know she meant yes syndrome….do I need to go on?

  15. ottomustaine says:

    Sucker. Never trust a Marxist.

  16. gary w says:

    you’re an idiot

    1. storm915 says:

      And you’re an enabler…

  17. Pam says:

    Huh? Dolan was promised he would get “most of what he wanted.” Last I heard, “most” does not = “all”.

    1. utfs says:

      I’m certain this issue was high on Dolan’s list of must haves…so please…

  18. tgc says:

    I’m sick of hearing about womens health. This has nothing to do wit womens health, it has to do with murdering a child! This is all about abortion and not about birth control! Obama has always been the #1 baby killer in congress….and he wants to continue his crusade in the white house. Women want to decide if the baby lives or dies… if they decide the baby dies, then the father WILL support the child because that is what the woman wants…if the father wants the child but the woman doesn’t…the baby dies…the father has no say in the matter. This has nothing to do with womens health…it’s about murdering a child for convenience!

    1. John Barnett says:

      We wouldn’t have this problem if Mine Furhrer’s mother had considered abortion. That abortion would have been the only one I would not have cried over.

  19. Starry Wisdom says:

    Uh…seems to me if you accept money and preferential treatment from the government, you must also accept the government’s requirements. So shut it, Catholic Church, and thank your god you’re not obliged to pay taxes as you rightfully should. Why should my tax money go to support somebody else’s religion? They don’t support mine.

  20. Margaret Schaut says:

    Excommunicate these fake Catholics who violate absolutely ANY indication of faith in God or the Church. From the top offices of the Administration, to Congress, to the Senate, to the Military, to the Supreme Court, these leaders have contributed horribly to the condition we are all in now. If this is done, and they see the Church MEANS business, perhaps they wouldn’t be so ready to betray agreements at the first sneeze.

    1. storm915 says:

      That’s right execute any of those fake Catholics who violate ANY indication of faith in God or the Church. .
      Errr….sorry, reread your paragraph… I thought you meant execute not excommunicate. An honorable mistake, since that is what the Catholics have done for centuries.

    2. Chris says:

      Bring back the Spanish Inquisition I say. Those thumbscrews were such fun.

  21. Rick says:

    The Church made a pact with the Devil, and the Devil won. For decades prominent Catholic Democrats have repeatedly defied Church Docterine and the Church did nothing. The Kennedys and Nancy Pelosi, devout Catholics, should have been advised that if their actions as legislators violated Church docterine, they could face excommunication. The Church did nothing to discipline their powerful members, and now we have this. Perhaps this is why Bill Daley left the Administration. Obama is a man whose faith is quesionable at best. And if he was really saved by the Race Baiting Rev. Wright, well then what should the Catholics have expected? Wright from his pulpit denouned the U.S. and white people! This was Obama’s spiritual mentor, so should anyone be surprised?

    1. Moshe says:

      Andrew Cuomo, Catholic, was the reason the abomination of gay marriage was legalized in NY. The Archbishop should have been outspoken to tell him that violates fundamental doctrine of his faith, and the repercussions of doing that. Instead there was silence from the leader of the Catholic Church in NY.

    2. Chris says:

      Lesson 1: Creating a compelling argument
      If you want to denounce large swathes of the population – the Catholic Church, Catholic politicians, African Americans etc.i.e. everyone except yourself. Don’t go and spoil it by condemning someone else (Rev Wright) for doing exactly what you have just been doing.

  22. Gunny G Alz says:

    SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT of Catholics voted FOR OBUTTHEAD so they layed down with a dog and got fleas.

    Sucks to be them!

    1. Kevin Vaughn says:

      You made that 75% up so I assume you have no other facts to speak of…. Go back and read your Koran text and see what it says about those who speak false against others and learn what happens to the flea.

      1. Gunny G Alz says:

        Sorry, meant to write 57% but it is actually 54% of the Catholics who willingly voted for the Snake Oil Salesman from Kenya.

        Sheep now whining that the shepard lied to them!

        1. storm915 says:

          Please link (to a reputable site) where Obama lied to you and your Catholics about birth control or abortions?

          I’ll be waiting……right here!

          1. Lisa says:

            didn’t you read the article? Nolan said Obama made promises. You liberals have selected reading skills when you want.

  23. james says:

    “No one is telling the bishops anything about the religious practices of the Catholic church,” said Rep. Jerrold Nadler from Manhattan. ”What is at issue here is that the bishops want the ability to impose their religious beliefs on other people, on the employees of religiously affiliated hospitals and universities.”


    Is this guy for real?

    Noone FORCES a woman to work for a Catholic organization. If you CHOOSE TO WORK at one, expect the office o be governed by their doctrines.

    1. Angelica says:

      Exactly…and the same goes for Nurses and Doctors who work for secular Hospitals and want to impose there beliefs on them them.

      Oh wait… there are many more secular Hospitals than Christian Hospitals…oh my what are those Nurse & Doctors to do…I know.. impose their beliefs on everyone else!

    2. Alice says:

      No Catholic or other religious affiliation should be forced to do anything against their beliefs……… long as they don’t get my tax dollars in subsides and grants. In which case they have to follow the law.

  24. Kevin Vaughn says:

    It is a sad day that I now can no longer listen to my favorite and trusted news program. Marcia Kramer has taken on the Faux News approach mastered by FOX. VERY SAD. Timmothy Nolan said nothing with the negativity nor slander that Kramer spun it against POTUS sighting “sources”…Irresposibile journalism for the sensational effect. SHAME ON YOU.
    Timmothy Nolan is a class act and you painted him in a light of victim. The truth of what he said is this is not over and he will watch how it unfolds before drawing a line in the sand.
    It is apparent that the Murdoch slanted GOP machine has now taken the truth away from CBS Channel 2 NEWS. or at the very least OWNS Kramer. VERY SAD

  25. mchapman says:

    “This is very straightforward. This is about whether the government of the United States should have the power to go in and tell a faith-based organization that they have to pay for something they teach their members they shouldn’t be doing,” – Sen Marco Rubio

    Its not that straightforward. The real issue is whether the government should have the power to tell anyone or any institution to pay for something that requires them to go against their faith.

    In this case there is no RIGHT to birth control.

    1. storm915 says:

      As there is no right for Viagra, so why does my provider ask me to pay for it?

      If a man can’t get it up by Gods will, then he shouldn’t be asking the pharmaceutical companion for any help!

      1. mchapman says:

        That is the problem. You don’t get to negotiate for things you dont want in your policy. Thus the cost keeps going up because of mandates that keep adding to what has to be covered. It doesn’t lower the cost, it just makes everyone pay for everyone elses wants…it might lower your cost, but not mine.

  26. Andrew says:

    Yes, well the rest of us knew what Obama was before he became president. Anyone wanting to compromise with Obama misunderstands who and what he is. You might as well attempt a compromise with Satan himself. Evil never sleeps and Obama never misses a chance to attack or undermine Christianity.

    1. Gunny G Alz says:

      EXACTLY RIGHT! They are only upset because Ovomit is TARGETING THEM!

  27. Concerned Atheist says:

    Who cares if the Cardinal feels betrayed. Boo-hoo. I didn’t elect Cardinal Dolan. Why is his reaction news?

    1. Barry Soetoro says:

      The Cardinal is a representative for about 33% of the US population. Atheists make up only about 2%. That’s why you don’t matter.

      1. Concerned Atheist says:

        Try 20%. And if we didn’t have the atheists, we’d still be stuck in the dark ages. Someone has to leave the church and start doing some REAL work, like studying science and inventing computers, like the one you are using to sound brainwashed and ignorant. The only thing you can claim is that your god-of-the-margins has inspired this progress, but I give the credit to those scientists and evidence-based researchers who were directly involved. So keep pouring money into your churches, so they can spread their gospel, the same anti-contraception gospel that has helped keep AIDS alive and well throughout Africa, and so they can spread the fundamentalism, the same fundamentalism that burns down abortion clinics. REAL murder (of doctors and nurses) to prevent what you consider “murder”, the removal of a fetus, which, scientifically speaking, is not much more than a parasite. And saying this doesn’t make me heartless, it just makes me human. And while on the topic, if contraception is where the definition of human starts, why don’t you go after the alcohol and tobacco companies instead of the abortion clinics? There are orders of magnitude more fetuses lost and damaged to the use of alcohol/tobacco than there are through LEGAL abortions. And if your church is so good and righteous, why doesn’t the vatican donate a little of its gold or sell a bit of its real estate portfolio to provide the religious -based health care that you want? Me, I’ll support health care that does the right thing, not the righteous thing. Finally, for those of you that don’t want contraception to be used, how many of you have adopted a child? A few, yes. But the majority, no. Hypocrites.

        And I didn’t elect for Obama either, but at least there was a vote.

        So go take your blinders off, read a physics textbook, and make yourself useful. Science is what makes this world go ’round, not your god.

    2. Orlando_Catholic says:

      I didn’t vote for Obama and I didn’t elect the Kardashians, but we always hear about them! Why not hear about someone who represents my views and the views of tens of millions of Catholics in the U.S.?

      1. Concerned Atheist says:

        While it is true that the Kardashians are setting a bad example, they aren’t trying to infect public GOVERNMENT policy with their religious dogma. Ever hear of the First Amendment? Currently, Obama’s plan is based on medical, scientific, and sociological recommendations and reasoning. Changing it because of pressure from the church is a direct violation of this too often ignored part of our Constitution.

      2. Rodin says:

        Because bigots should be shunned.

    3. Edgar Sousa says:

      Atheist: you do not have a dog in this fight. And dog spelled backwards is

      1. Concerned Atheist says:

        god!!! I got it. Hot damn, that word-play thing really hit your point home. The atheists may not win this battle, but the war is ever moving toward reason. The margins in which your god exists is forever shrinking. Cling to your unchanging faith, while I use my dynamic and changeable reasoning skills to help move society along.

    4. Concerned Atheist says:

      While you don’t have to say I’m right, the best argument you can hope to have is to say that atheists are, at the very least, essential. It is those who have challenged blind faith and dogma that push society forward.

      As a quick example, remember that if the church had its way, the Earth would still be the center of the universe. And not understanding the physics of planetary science means no satellites. So do a little experiment (that’s when you try different things and see which one works best, not let someone else tell you what you should feel is best), make your life like it would have been if it was dictated wholly by the church with respect to this one example, planetary science. Unplug your cable and your phone, turn off your cell phone and any GPS you may be using in your car. Disconnect your internet, because even if it is a wired system now, the development of the early internet linked distant sites across the US via satellite communications. Try that for a few days. See how that goes.

      If you want to try another one, stop taking any medication that was developed in the last 30 years. Basic antibiotics and painkillers are fine, so is insulin, but new classes of biologic medicines are produced with the help of genetics, directly a result of my personal hero Charles Darwin and his brave new ideas that, at the time, challenged the very roots of your faith. So imagine the world without most vaccines, watching your family members die of illnesses that could have been stopped by opposite-of-the-church thinking. Tell cancer patients that their new therapies are being forgotten in lieu of a more faith-based approach to curing disease. Tell many patients with a myriad of autoimmune diseases that their monoclonal antibody therapy is being purged from public knowledge, and they can go back to, at best, suffering from intense joint pain, and at worst, dying.

      Oh, and you can also tell all the families of victims of violent crimes whose attacker was convicted with DNA evidence that because of you righteous and unchanging faith, said perpetrator will now be released back onto the street.

      All of these things have happened despite what you claim your god (of the margins) would have wanted. That sounds like a kind god to me, doesn’t it. But let us, for a moment, consider you are correct. There is a god and he/she/it/black/white/asian/aispanic/allah/jesus/zeus/FSM (which one?) has a grand design. Again, at the very least, you have to concede that the less faithful are part of this design. Can you deny this? Guess not. And we aren’t here just to challenge your faith and make it stronger, although I do think your vanity is well deserved. No, we are here to do the things the faithful can’t do. We are the people who challenge current ideas, make breakthroughs, and move society forward, all of us must be a part of that design. If we assume you’re correct in your worldview, then when you are challenging the faithless and calling them incorrect, you are challenging the very design that your god has established. Go Google “heresy”. Oh wait, you can’t, you’ve unplugged your godless internet. Hope you still own a dictionary.

      1. Rodin says:

        “Mockery of religion is one of the most essential things because to demystify supposedly ‘holy text dictated by god’ and show that they are man made and what you have to show [is] there internal inconsistencies and absurdities. One of the beginnings of human emancipation is the ability to laugh at authority… it is an indispensable thing people can call it blasphemy if they like, but if they call it that they have to assume there is something to be blasphemed – some divine work, well I don’t accept the premise.”


  28. Jess says:

    He can’t “figure it out?” Here’s a hint. The man IS A MARXIST TOTALITARIAN. If you’d had realized what millions of us already knew, you wouldn’t be so shocked.

    1. Angelica says:

      LOL, the millions you are talking about are Hispanics…you know, the ones you want to deport…

      But I guess they serve your ulterior motives, don’t they!

      1. Leroy says:

        You’re a twit Angelica. Turn of the PMSNBC and return to the 4th grade.

        1. Angelica says:

          LOL @ you Leroy, just like a man to bring the PMS BS equation.

          BTW, the word is OFF not OF… I learned that in 3rd grade, but I guess they didn’t show you the difference at Mensa.

      2. Ralph says:

        What are you talking About? The HiSPANICS that are being deported are different then the ones that are AMERICAN CITIZENS! I am Hispanic and Born in this country. Why would I care about a WetBack coming in across the border! AMAZING!

        1. Angelica says:

          I have no words for your diatribe…Wow…Wetback. Shows your lack of acceptance and compassion…but I guess, your parents were welcomed with open arms!

          Please don’t answer back…I can see what type of person you are by your comment.

  29. Dreamer says:

    Why is government getting involved in the science-fiction industry?

  30. Teddy Novak says:

    Dear Cardinal-Designate Dolan – You should have known better than to have trusted Obama. Further, you should not have tried to cut a deal to impose socialized medicine on America.

    For those who assert that healthcare is a “right,” I would remind them that anything deemed a right that someone else has to provide (and enforced by the mailed fist of government) enslaves the provider. Further, giving government direct control over life and death isn’t really bright – Hitler had government healthcare too, he even sent millions to camps for special treatment.

    Socialism in all its forms (communism, fascism, nazism, etc.) is evil. It must be confronted and resisted as do all that seek to impose it.

    This is the government the founders warned us about. It’s time to take back America. Let’s hope it will be at the ballot box.

    1. I think not... says:

      Socialism is an economic system, communism is a form of government. You only think it is evil because you live in a Western Democratic government, with a Capitalist economic system. Socialism or communism is not inherently evil. Socialism is about equality for all, and communism is an effective and efficient form of government, tainted only by the human nature of greed. Open you mind, and go back to school.

      1. ReaganusMaximus says:

        too bad greed exists everywhere…

        “The point of opening one’s mind is the same as of opening one’s mouth: to close it again upon something solid.” (G.K. Chesterton)

        Socialism is idealism married to the state, which always descends into tyranny.
        Go back to school and study history, “I think not” – your name says it all!

        1. Kevin Vaughn says:

          yeah and yours says worse…Reagan us to the Maximus is EXACTLY why we as a country have become the GREED nation under Republican INSANITY.

      2. Marrabella says:

        I think not…. You can be FREE or you can be EQUAL. You cannot be both. The reason the US is (was) so wealthy is not because we are greedy pigs. It is because we are FREE.
        Look at the most destitute countries ….. most are run by tyrannical thugs. These UN thugs want our wealth. They need to go. We need to get out of the UN and get the UN out of the US.

      3. JP says:

        Go cut sugarcane and get cut up by its leaves while snakes and corcodiles have at you in the intense tropical heat of Fidel’s glorious Cuba, or go eat big meals in the heaven of Kim young il’s North korea….then you will really be happy till you meet your real boss, Lucifer.

      4. Nanny States need Not Apply says:

        Yea! Equality for all! … oh wait, does that mean I get a Govt Issued Giselle Bunchen? Does that mean I get steak and lobsters every other night? or does it really mean that we will all be Equally Miserable is the government doles out the resources.

      5. Mikey De says:

        I got news for you: The French revolution is over. They beheaded all the people who could think coherent thoughts. The Germans have kicked thier butts 3 times since 1870. It was a helluva revolution, they are all equal though,
        By the way Communism crashed and burned also or didn’t they teach that in college?

    2. Jason says:

      Thank you for having a basic knowledge of the concept of force and the government monopoly on force. We are watching the Republic slip out of our grasp. It is all going down and we have Mitt Romney to save us? …. right…

      I am preparing for total collapse of this country, morally, socially , financially and economically. I hope you and your family are too…
      Exactly, whats the difference? No matter who wins this primary we will be stuck with somebody who does not care about the constitution and our country is going to continue its rapid decline into the ash heap of history.

      All you can do is prepare yourself for the decline of America and pray to God it doesn’t happen. I am prepared. and I hope you are too how much of this list do you currently have?

      1. Moshe says:

        Clinton and now Obama have paved the way to moral decline by forcing approval of gay “rights”. It’s not about compassion, it is to get people to accept perversion as another healthy way of life. Society will eventually collapse when moral failure is viewed as something to be celebrated.

      2. Angelica says:

        LOL, your link direct me to buy merchandise I know the Founding Fathers were all a about enterprise, but you touted the link as something different…much like the conservative have touted their message as something else…and nothing to do with job creation or bringing the economy back…as they said they would.

        All it is is just fluff just like your post…..

    3. Orlando_Catholic says:

      They forgot to consult the 1891 encyclical Rerum Novarum:
      “At the present day many there are who, like the heathen of old, seek to blame and condemn the Church for such eminent charity. They would substitute in its stead a system of relief organized by the State. But no human expedients will ever make up for the devotedness and self sacrifice of Christian charity. Charity, as a virtue, pertains to the Church; for virtue it is not, unless it be drawn from the Most Sacred Heart of Jesus Christ; and whosoever turns his back on the Church cannot be near to Christ.”

      1. Rodin says:

        Rearend what?

    4. Kevin Vaughn says:

      Way more important to keep the power out of the hands of the likes of you sir.I sincerely hope the Government keeps an eye on you and all your affairs.

      1. Fred Zarguna says:

        No one is surprised that a liberal thinks the government needs to keep a sharp eye on its enemies and all their affairs. You think that’ll save you when your time comes? That’s what the Nazi’s enablers thought, too.

  31. Bob Dobbs says:

    Quick question… why is it OK to force an individual to pay for something that offends him, but not OK to force a religious group to do the same?

    1. Joe says:

      because POTUS says so? logic has nothing to do with any of this. killing babies is okay. homosexual lifestyle is okay. teaching little kids about sex is okay. letting girls get abortions without parents’ knowledge is okay. teaching morality, well that is not okay. that’s imposing and is simply not going to be allowed. people must be free to do evil without question. hey, sounds like satan is running the show!

      1. storm915 says:

        LOL at you invoking Satan…have you seen him/her? Have you seen a “baby” live without support past the 3rd trimester? No, didn’t think so…Let me ask you, are you supporting these teenage Mothers?

        You can teach morality in your home and church, but knowledge of contraception is necessary too. This should be taught to all young people whether in school or at home. Young people will have sex even you tell that abstinence is right. Birth Control is just what it says it is BIRTH CONTROL!

        It is up to you whether they become a statistic or not. When you are ready to have to child, then it will come to be.

    2. Orlando_Catholic says:

      Neither is okay – the conscience protection act would allow this opt-out for anyone whose conscience (i.e., belief system/religion) is offended by this mandate.

    3. Fred Zarguna says:

      Gee, maybe a small thing called the Bill of Rights, which has special protections for the exercise of religion.

      You *do* know that religions which specifically forbid the purchase of insurance already get an opt out, don’t you?

      Or are we going to force Mohammedans, the Amish, and the Christian Scientists into 0bamacare, just so they can be force to buy everyone else’s abortions?

  32. JOE says:

    if people care about the teachings of the church, then they will follow them.. who cares that it is made available for cheap or free.. do as jesus would and all is well, yes?

  33. storm915 says:

    LOL, he is appalled with the POTUS;s position on birth control, but where was his apology to the sexually abused? The Church Pedophiles still are employed by the Church, where was the empathy for the ones that were molested? Oh I see, let’s say we are against abortion so we can continue to fill our ranks with children to exploit & abuse!

    1. Uncle Willie says:

      please F yourself you smug schmuck

      1. storm915 says:

        Wow…what a comeback. You really do exemplify your Catholic School teaching.

    2. Jess says:

      Is that all you lame idiots can come up with? You libs are one trick ponies, broken records, going over the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Never once looking at the actual ISSUE BEING DISCUSSED. Thus rendering your comment for what it is: liberal claptrap. Why don’t you stick to the topic instead of doing what liberals do best: attempt to re-direct the conversation so as to not address the actual issue. It’s not like we don’t see right through the tactic. We should. You dopes sure use it enough.

  34. Gary says:

    Maybe the Catholic Church needs to re-evaluate it’s tax-exempt status as they take public money and continue to fight for discrimination. This time, women??? I think they should voluntarily give up the right for tax-exempt status and then, maybe they will have an argument.

  35. Maria P says:

    Hey Idiots! Seperation of Church and State! Hellooooooooooo basic constitutional right! If you don’t beleive in the Catholic teachings, DON”T work for a Catholic institution! Do we go into Yeshivas and tell them what to believe! You can beleive whatever you like, but don’t go into another person’s reglioin and tell them what they should believe. Obama has NO CLUE what the constitution is and how it works. ANYBODY ELSE IN 2012 !!!!! PLEASE!!!!

    1. Steven says:

      Then catholic institutions should not hire any non catholics.

      1. Christie: the Governor that ate NJ says:

        And secular institutions, Hospital, Schools etc…should not hire Catholics. I think that is a fair compromise!

    2. Uncle Willie says:

      damn strait…I never once asked for bacon at Yeshiva…Why would Obama have a clue, he is not American.. Study is father, put yourself in his mothers shoes in 1962. they had to hate America. She left America. Obama looks at us from the outside in. He will never be American. More like a self obsessed African..

      1. Moshe says:

        Obama and his wife hate the U.S. and want to change it to model a European socialist nation. The sheep in this country are going along with it.

      2. Chris says:

        If you ever get to Israel visit Kibbutz Lahav, they have some great bacon and salami you can buy.

    3. Kevin Vaughn says:

      Maria before you and any other FAUX NEWS brainwashed disciples call others idiots get your facts correct. This is not a church and state issue. And POTUS is a Constitutional law scholar. Try responding to facts instead of reacting with MURDOCH RULES

      1. Fred Zarguna says:

        Please point us to a citation of any kind to any work ever published by the “Constitutional law scholar.”

        Just one.

        Not even something he published, just a reference someone else made to his works or opinions.

        Just one.

        Constitutional law scholar. Thanks for being our laugh for the day.

  36. Schniff D. Tookus says:

    You tell em’ Nick, make em’ smell your ass.

  37. Steven says:

    So, can I assume that all the catholics upset about his never had pre-marital sex? If not, THEN SHUT THE HECK UP!

  38. slash says:

    – T for trustworthyness
    – U for unifier
    and you end up with a POS

    1. Christie: the Governor that ate NJ says:

      hahahaha…that’s about Bush right? LOL that was really funny!

  39. Cromulent says:

    So Dolan is blaming Obama. He should take some responsibility. There were plenty of voices warning of this. Dolan chose to ignore them.

    It has come time to play the role of Antigone. It has come time to throw dirt on Polyneices. It has come time to defy Creon.

    And while you’re at it sir, don’t help elect Creon the next time he asks.

  40. HAL says:

    Exactly. It’s not the Catholics that hate women, it’s the Bible & the god within it, that Catholics follow, that hate women. Oh wait…..

    And anyone who doesn’t know this is fact, has not actually read the Bible, which is about 99% of so-called Christians.

    1. Brian says:

      Or you…..

      I suspect though that even if you did bother to read it you wouldn’t understand it. The verses are intentionally cryptic..meaning you have to think about what they mean. So yeah..

      I despise people like you..not because I’m religious but because you represent a crowd of ill educated asinine morons who are Cowards.

    2. sguild says:

      There’s HAL dropping acid and posting at the same time. Doesn’t make for very coherent arguments…does it?

  41. Give me a Break says:

    This is completely mind-boggling. The Church continuously lobbies the government regarding laws, yet it tells the government that it should stay away from Church affairs. The bill doesn’t tell the person that they should take a birth control pill, it merely states that IF the person elects to use it that they shall be covered under their health plan for it. Where in the bill does it state that person A has to take a birth control pill, regardless of their religious beliefs??
    Even more so, if a person is really that religious, they wouldn’t need birth control pills. The Church is against premarital sex, and abortion, but how many of its followers actually believe in celibacy? IF they all do, then birth control or other means of contraception would not even be an issue. The only thing the Church can do is to spread its teachings, and hope that people listen and do things according to its beliefs. People have a GOD GIVEN CHOICE on what they do with their life, and CATHOLICISM IS NOT THE ONLY RELIGION !!!

    1. Steven says:

      Amen to that.

  42. klkerps klkerps says:

    How can you say the Catholic Church hates women…. Catholics glorify the virgin Mary. They love women and love life. Keeping women pregnant is a blessing to them. LIfe begins at conception. Stop making assumptions when you don’t know the facts. Catholics don’t hate women.

  43. Moshe says:

    Good for Archbishop Dolan. His next move should be to meet with the Catholic governor about the abomination of gay marriage that Cuomo forced into law.

    1. Give me a Break says:

      Marriage can be a religious and legal union, gay marriage is not recognized by the Church there for it is not a religious union. You think that same-sex marriage cheapens what a religious union is, but you fail to understand that the Church only recognizes marriage if 1) a person has never been married. 2) the marriage was nullified by the Church. 3) a person’s spouse has past away. Having a legal union, has no bearing what-so-ever on a religious union.
      What cheapens marriage, are all those people who get married and get divorced within 3 months, or all those people who cheat on their marriage. .

      1. Marti says:

        God invented marriage and God said it is between a man and woman. civil unions are man’s interpretation….. one is from a religeous view point… the other from man(govt.)

        1. Boomer says:

          God did not invent marriage, you fool.

          1. Uncle Willie says:

            Sure he did, I was there. You pufter, shirt lifting felch monkey..

        2. storm915 says:

          Marti, Marti, Marti…Hitler wrote Mein Kampf and all of Germany, and a large part of Europe thought he was God. Now, let bring this down to reality shall we.

      2. Steven says:

        However, the church will allow a divorced person to get remarried in the eyes of god for about 3k-5k.

        1. Angelica says:

          Or in Elizabeth Taylor case..8 times. Nothing says a real marriage like that!

  44. Frank says:

    Your comment is one of blind ignorance. What silly nonsence!

  45. Ed says:

    Why does the church have any say in anything the government does? If you want a theocracy go to Iran.

    1. Marti says:

      so, Ed, why does the Govt. have a right to interfere with religion

      1. Steven says:

        The government is not interfering with religion. If your religion tells you to not take any form of birth control, then don’t. However, there are non-Catholics who work for catholic organizations, therefore, they should be allowed to receive the full benefits. If then you expect these non-catholics to look for work elsewhere, then you have another problem -discrimination based on religion.

        1. Fred Zarguna says:

          That isn’t the kind of discrimination that’s traditionally been protected by Strict Scrutiny. Catholic institutions aren’t required to provide the same services to their employees as every other employer. They are simply not entitled to treat different employees differently “as a class.” That means there is no discrimination if they fail to provide the same service for ALL of their employees.

          But, for people who actually understand the Constitution and Federal case law — and aren’t simply left-wing nutcases — : this is what we’ve been trying to warn you about ALL ALONG. “National Health Care” is going to be used as a way to take complete control over peoples’ lives. This is just the first of many, many, many more power grabs to come.

          1. sguild says:

            Fred, you are absolutely correct. Seven appears to be a clueless moron.

  46. Nathan Keener says:

    Can somebody tell me, what is the difference between a Catholic institution paying an insurance company to cover birth control as part of a plan, and that same Catholic institution paying an employee who then purchases contraception? Except of course that the first way is much cheaper…Isn’t the Church morally culpable for funding the pill regardless of which way it is done?

    1. Marti says:

      I don’t don’t understand why any employer should pay for someone elses birth control. The resposibiltiy for birth control lies with the person… not an employer or even the Govt. Does this new mandate also cover condoms or vasectomies for men? People, people,… please take responsibility for yourselves… quite being a generation of entitlement.

      1. storm915 says:

        LOL, at you… allow Viagra to be given with your health care… is that okay? If a person has a gene that brings about a developmentally delayed chiild, is that okay? If a child is born with a substance abuse is that okay? Or is it okay if it is prescription pills taken by a middle class parent and the child needs special treatment…is that okay?

        To repeat what you said above….People, people,… please take responsibility for yourselves… quit being a generation of entitlement.

        1. storm915 says:

          “Marti: Does this new mandate also cover condoms or vasectomies for men?”

          It already is covered by every major insurance company……

          1. Fred Zarguna says:

            Really? Name a health care plan that pays for condoms.

            1. Alice says:

              medicaid in Michigan covers condoms, they are free. And if you are allergic to latex they cover sheep skin condoms. I know I have billed them.

    2. Marti says:

      sorry Nathan, the first way isn’t cheaper…. the employer is stuck with paying more money to cover someone elses birth control
      The employee has the right to spend their money in whatever manner they choose… (ie.. birth control) The church does not tell people how to spend their own money… and the govt. should not require someone else to pay for your own birth control

    3. Fred Zarguna says:

      It’s not really a subtle moral distinction, but we don’t expect liberals to really understand moral questions. So let’s go through this S L O W L Y.

      It’s the same degree of moral separation as an employer issuing you a bomb, and you going out and buying or assembling a bomb on your own. One of these activities implicitly sanctions a potentially life threatening behavior, the other is one for which you assume complete responsibility, because your paycheck could just as easily have gone to buying bomb-defusing equipment, or contributions to the widows and orphans fund for the police department.

      See how this works?

      The $50 contributed by an employer for contraception and abortion, if left in your paycheck instead, could easily go to sending money to anti-abortion causes, or just having fun with your family. Unlike the $50 put into the abortion premium in the health care plan, the money DOESN’T HAVE TO BUY ABORTIONS.

      It really isn’t complicated when you just think about right vs. wrong occasionally, instead of simply spouting left-wing sound bites.

  47. Gail says:

    It’s interesting that people feel the government should not interfere regarding women’s health issues when it comes down to birth control and the church. But when a woman’ wishes to seek an abortion or obtain birth control, then the Republicans and the church think the government should have control. Separation of church and state should apply on all sides. It comes down to
    A WOMAN’s CHOICE!!! No one has the right to interfere.

    1. Fred Zarguna says:

      No one is interfering. Go ahead and abort all your kids! There will be fewer left-wing morons in the next generation. But please don’t ask me to pay for it. I’m not interested in paying for any of your health care, any more than I’m interested in buying you new shoes or a new pick up truck. Live and let live, I say! I don’t want anything to do with your or any society you live in. Leave me the f*ck alone.

  48. cygon says:

    Catholic institutions should just close their doors to anyone not catholic and fire all non-catholic employees. That should free up a lot of jobs for their own flock. As for catholic schools, hell they have not been catholic for a long time anyway… just look at Notre Dame and its ‘priest’ president. maybe they will learn something from this experience.

    1. Marti says:

      you are missing the point cygon…….

    2. David Davila says:

      “That should free up a lot of jobs for their own flock.”
      Which Obama would really get off on, then he could sue them all for discrimination.
      The thing that bugs me most is that BC is considered a ‘health’ issue.
      It’s not a health issue, it’s a way to have sex with no cares in 99% of the cases where a women chooses to take the pill, and it’s killing a living fetus/child when it comes to abortion.
      In some extreme cases, abortion may be neccessary, but again, 99% of abortions are because an irresponsible adult didn’t want a child.
      There is no honesty in this discussion of birth control.

  49. cygon says:

    I agree. I do not know why catholic leaders even think they can bargain with the devil. I told my priest this and he asked me, “Is Obama any different from Saul who became St. Paul”.? I said, “Yes, because Obama knows exactly what he is doing… Saul did not”. Catholic bishops slavishly hang onto the democrap agenda of “social justice” and that is where they always get lost.

  50. Bishop Len Brennan says:

    Now the Church knows what most of us have know…..Obama is not to be trusted!

    1. zoe says:

      We also know that the church has pedophiles that haven’t been prosecuted by the law. They are not to be trusted!!!

    2. James says:

      That is for sure with Obama. But at the same time, Karma is a real thing. Maybe now the church knows what it is like to entrust someone with someothing imprtant, like our children, only to be lied to.

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