On this episode of Robert Wuhl’s Ipso Facto podcast, he sat down with controversial retired pitcher Roger Clemens. Wuhl is upfront about the fact that he’s been friends with Clemens for more than 20 years, so their (NSFW) chat is a friendly one, though some uncomfortable topics are touched on, like steroids and the Hall of Fame. Clemens also talks about the players he admires most and what he considers his greatest game.

On the subject of the best game he ever played: Clemens couldn’t name one as his all-time favorite, but he did say that the legendary April 29, 1986 Boston Red Sox-Seattle Mariners game where he became the first Major League Baseball player to strike out 20 batters in nine innings was something that he looks back on fondly.

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Clemens named Hall of Famer Tom “The Franchise” Seaver as one of the best pitchers he ever saw play the game, and had plenty of kind things to say about Randy “The Big Unit” Johnson and his dominating, full-bodied style of pitching. Big surprise that Roger likes dominating players, right?

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Listen to the rest of this candid conversation here:

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Mario McKellop is a freelance writer who has covered the latest goings on in the TV, film and music worlds since 2010.