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Cash-Strapped Bergen, N.J. To Fight Snow With ‘Pickle Juice’

Salt-Water Concoction Costs Just 7 Cents A Gallon

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One N.J. county is using a salt/water mixture that resembles pickle juice in place of more expensive salt on roadways. (Photo: CBS 2)

BERGENFIELD, N.J. (CBS 2) — Bergen County’s 230 plows and salting vehicles are at the ready for Wednesday’s snowfall, especially with their newest weapon for melting snow quickly — a briny mixture of salt and water that resembles pickle juice.

“We actually pre-spray the properties, the sidewalks, the parking lots as a preventative before the snow is uncontrollable,” Bergen County Public Works Director Joe Crifasi told CBS 2′s Magee Hickey.

The brine costs just 7 cents a gallon compared to $63 a ton for salt. Bergen County has already used up $3 million of its $4 million snow budget.

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“We’re still not in the red. We’re in the black, but if we get a winter that continues like this, it’ll be very tough,” Bergen County Executive Director Kathe Donovan said.

In contrast, New Jersey has already blown through its $20 million storm clean-up budget after the post-Christmas storm dumped more than 30 inches in parts of the state.

New York City set aside $38 million this year for snow removal, but the Bloomberg administration said it has already spent more than that digging out after the Dec. 26 blizzard.

And even though it wasn’t a big storm Tuesday morning, many in New York City said they were surprised by how much snow we got – and how much is probably in our future.

“No I’d rather be here than in California with earthquakes, but I wish it would stop,” said Lisa Frazier of Harlem.

“As long as Mother Nature says, we’ll be out here. And we’re only halfway through winter,” maintenance worker Rafael Garcia added.

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  • No more celebrating ignorance

    Fools claiming this weather puts an end to the global warming debate should bother to get a little education. Global warming is a GLOBAL phenomenon and has little bearing on what is happening over your head at any moment. The FACTS are we had the warmest global temps last year. Period. And global warming will result in more snow during winter seasons. We’re still tilted away from the sun in winter, people. That is going to result in lower seasonal temps that freeze water. The reason we have more snow is not because it is colder; it is because there is more water in the atmosphere when it is cold outside–basic first grade science. The reason we have more moisture in the atmosphere is because thousands of miles from us, and all year long, it is warmer than it should be–or has been–this results in melting of icecaps, which results in an increase of water vapor. Okay, maybe that’s second grade science. The facts remain: it is getting warmer, and we’re going to have more snow. There’s no conflict here. And I have to agree with those who claim this is bad reporting. The figures are completely meaningless.

    • Arthur Machado

      Yeah – if its warmer its global warming, if its cooler its global warming if it stays the same its global warming – you are an idiot

      • Green on the outside, red on the inside

        And either way, we all know the right answer is we need to raise everyone’s taxes. The debate is over.

      • Catherine Coy

        Fun-neee.

    • iceman

      The US in particular has a sizeable population of global warming sceptics. They believe that man-made global warming is fake and fabricated purely so that special interests can gain from it financially.
      Here is some of the common evidence employed by global warming sceptics:

      1) Statistics are misleading or contrary to global warming:
      Glaciers in Greenland and Antarctic ice have been shown in the last few years to be actually getting thicker, not thinner. All we ever hear about is the North Pole, but never about these other two important indicators of global warming.
      Statistics show that the error rate associated with taking temperature samples is greater than the claimed global temperature rise.
      NASA was once caught red-handed faking data about global warming. They simply took the temperature data for September and used this to give the official record of the temperature in October that year, and then claimed that October was the hottest year for decades.

      2) We are being lied to for personal gain:
      A few decades ago, back in the 70′s, the same governments and scientists tried to scare us with stories of the impending ice age, and now we are supposed to listen to similar false fears.
      Many companies made a lot of money from the ozone layer scam. This has also since proven to be false, but the media which gave us a big scare at the time has since remained silent.
      Everyone knows that big scares always mean big profits for government connected companies. For instance, GE owns NBC, which is brainwashing us with constant global warming stories. However, GE makes a huge profit from the sale of green products such as windmills and solar panels to governments.

      3) Natural factors are much more important than man-made factors in realising CO2 into the atmosphere:
      The ocean and volcanoes are much bigger sources of CO2 and other such greenhouse gases than humans. If the CO2 count is increasing, the influence of man is minimal.

      The global warming is fake movement is a healthy one it always pays to be sceptical about what scientists and governments tell you. However, on this one I believe that the global warming sceptics have been misguided, and by the forces that are much stronger than GE or any such alternative energy company. The sceptics themselves are subject to propaganda from the most powerful companies in the world: the oil companies, for whom the global warming debate is a matter of survival. These oil companies have extremely strong ties to the government and the press in the US, and for this reason the US is the home of the global warming sceptic.

      For more info on global warming go to:
      wikipedia
      globalwarming.org

      • Clearhead

        Hey Iceman — You ae supposed to pour that pickle juice on the snow, not drink it. And by the way, what did you spike it with? Sounds kinda like SPEED to me.

      • don

        carbon is heavier than air, therefore it cannot rise into the atmosphere, what’s more, without carbon plants will die and we will starve, as plant life inhales carbon, and exhales oxygen.

      • Linda MC

        I know you are right, the government lies to us repeatedly. Just like the bad drugs that doctors give to us that do more harm than good. It’s about the FDA and the drug companies putting trillions of dollars into their pocket. It’s always about the money.

      • The Truth

        Explain to me then why there are 3 other celestial bodies (1 planet and 2 moons) that are showing the same warming effects in the same scale as earth, and yet they are moving further from the sun in their current orbit. It must be our SUV’s affecting them as well.

        Or, maybe it’s the sun going through natural cycles.

    • AC

      u r stupid

    • Goodgold

      You’re a riot! Thanks for the chuckle!

    • Phil Simms

      “The reason we have more snow is not because it is colder; it is because there is more water in the atmosphere when it is cold outside–basic first grade science.”

      Is that what you are using to argue for anthropomorphic global warming, basic first grade science? Saturation vapor pressure is actually proportional to temperature. Warm air has a much higher saturation point than cold air. In other words, a greater distance between molecules means warm air is capable of holding considerably more moisture than cold air. Basic first grade science with a little cloud physics for good measure.

      • Edward Sonner

        And the reason we have 20 degree temperatures in Florida???

      • JGalt2.1

        The reason there is more humidity in the atmosphere is because of La Nina not global warming. This phenom has been recorded since the 1500′s.

        DUH……..computer,,,,,,comsputer.

    • Chuck

      I have a bridge for sale if you are interested

    • Mark

      Yes, and if you don’t believe him, check the source of his information at the University of East Anglea, U.K.

    • Bob

      No – not second grade science – it is third rate science. Junk science. Nice how you start, with the very engaging “Fools claiming this weather puts an end to the global warming debate should bother to get a little education” and end with the only truth in your output: “The figures are completely meaningless”.

      Please stop the shrill cries of your own denial – the IPCC report, the models and the AGW cronies have withered in the glare of close investigation.

    • Darren

      At least you admit that you function on a “second grade science” level, but unfortunatley it’s not that simple. And, the headline that you’re regurgitating about last year’s “warmest global temps” is more distortion of the “facts” by the global warming fanatics. While global SURFACE temperature readings may have been the highest (or actually 2nd highest), the temperature in the upper atmosphere (that would be evidence of your beloved “global warming”) has actually still not increased since 1998, and has actually declined a bit. If you listen to the folks you would call “deniers”, the surface temperature readings are likely skewed by the location of temp stations in developed areas (heat-island effect) or of out right manipulation of the data (like the lovely pic of the weather station with the BBQ under the recording equpment). I know some of that is beyond the 2nd grade leve, but facts sometimes work that way. So, the fact is it’s NOT getting warmer in the upper atmosphere where actual greenhouse-effect warming from C02 that you all sceam about would be occurring. The surface warming that you’re quoting from the headlines is no more important to our long term “climate” than the seasonal weather that you’re discounting as due to the winter tilt of the earth (and you’ are correct on that part, by the way).

    • beckster

      Come on AL, your days of blowing hot air up the world’s ass are over. Find another cause or go back to your energy wasting mansion in Tennessee. Or better yet fly all over the world in your private jet and help warm up the air that is making our winter bitterly cold. p.s. could you please loan me some money to help pay my $700 electric bill last month?

    • Edward Sonner

      Yeah – if its warmer its global warming, if its cooler its global warming if it stays the same its global warming – you are an idiot

    • JGalt2.1

      I guess green house gases were responsible for Greenland being warm enough to grow wheat and corn in the Middle ages, hence the name GREENland.

      Take away the grant money and expence accounts of the Global Warmers and see how many continue to support faux science.

    • Meteorman

      My goodness, I was told in the 70s that we were going to get more snow because it was getting colder and a new ice age would soon be upon us. Now you are telling me it is getting warmer and we will get more snow. Nonetheless 2010 was tied with 2005 as the warmest year since records were kept in 1880. I think you know that 130 years is less than a drop in the bucket when looking at global temperatures of the earth and projecting or predicting from such a small sample is perilous at best. The non data driven historical record drawn from literature, art, folk tales, and monestary records indicate that there were times when things were warmer than now in past human history and, or course, much colder too. Not to get carried away, but sea bed core samples suggest the earth was approx 1 degree centigrade warmer than now about 1000 yrs. ago.

    • Barry Soetoro

      Help fight CONTINENTAL DRIFT!!!!

      • Where’s the birth certificate?

        Help fight high SOLAR ACTIVITY!!!

    • Bill

      That’s great! Is it man made? The Earth has epoc history of warming and cooling. In fact the most respected climatologist in the world is forcasting a “mini ice age” startin within 50 years for the planet. The man made global warming theory is just that “a theory”, or a way for learning institutions to get more government/corporate funding by those who benefit. How much did Al make on his video?

    • Live2Eng

      First, this is not first grade science and you are incorrect about the melting ice caps putting more moisture in the atmosphere. Humidity is a function of the AIR’s ability to hold that moisture, not how much is available (typically). On a global level, there is always more water available to evaporate than the air can accommodate. This is why we have oceans instead of low deserts. Second, if this were a question of more snow verses no precipitation, your argument could hold water, so to speak, but no one has said anything about this being a WETTER year or two, simply that there is more snow than normal. You can only get more snow instead of rain if it is cold enough to snow, which is why it rarely snows in the summer.

  • Dumba Merican

    This is a very funny story. Laughed so hard I blew my bourbon out of my nose.

    It’s nice that CBS posts gag stories like this once and a while :)

  • Stacey

    Did the author serious compare the cost of a gallon of brine to a TON of salt? I’m pretty sure a gallon of milk costs less than a ton of milk…

    Why not give a reasonable comparison based on the cost per acre treated or similar?

  • mike daran

    7 cents a gallon versus $63 a ton.
    Great, now we just need to know how many gallons replaces a ton.

    • MrLogical

      1 gallon is approx. 8#, so approx. 240g/ton. At $.07, that equates to approx. $17. That would suggest that the brine is approx. 1/4th the cost, but the unknown in this story is how much net coverage for each method, and the effectiveness of each method. Offhand, I’d say that the solid mixture would yield more coverage per sq. ft. than the liquid approach, but you would have to conduct testing to validate.

    • Resistnow

      1 gallon = aprox 8 pounds. 2000 pounds = 1 ton. 2000 divided by 8 = 250 gallons. 7 cents a gallon = 17.50 per ton. The question is, how much does a ton of salt treat versus how much does 250 gallons treat? Without that info, it is just a math problem solving nothing.

      • Pat

        Intereastingly, in German they spray a salt solution on the roads.

  • moutainhiker

    You cant go to walmart for a brain ,they only sell things that were made in china

  • Mary

    The advantage of the brine mix is that it can be applied the day before. However, with the first plowing, it is gone. I can’t imagine how much damage this does in the long run though, as the brine soaks into the roadway. Also, I wonder what the rate of pollution to the water is versus an application of salt. As for the stats cited by the reporter, they should realize, that government officials don’t always tell the truth!

  • ivan yakoff

    they have used this solution for yrs in my area. works great. they alwaysput this down befor ethe snow comes.

  • JMOKE

    But wait a second? I thought the planet was warming??? Where’s PIG FAT IDIOT algore? Where is idiot NASA? I mean if it was warming there wouldn’t be a problem right? Oh I forgot, global warming is really global cooling.

    • PITANU

      you should go to walmart and get yourself a new brain.

      • Adam Joad

        That’s where he got the one he’s using!

    • SerfOfObama

      Global warming is a very real threat and once the planet is frozen solid to its core it will be too late to keep us from burning up…at least that’s the NEW explanation after a decade of cratering ocean and global temps forced the eco-terrorists to shovel boatloads of egg off their faces….

  • James Woods

    If only bloomberg ran his empire like he’s running new york he wouldn’t be mayor.

  • John Boston

    When I was a missionary in Russia back in the day, we used to use urine. It’s briny enough to get the job done, and basically free.

    • Isis

      Yellow snow. I hate Yellow Snow.

    • Clearhead

      And not only that, but you can practice writing your signature with it.

  • Jeff G

    2000 lbs divided by 8.5 lbs per gallon times $.07 per gallon is less than $17.00 per ton of brine. 1 ton of brine will cover about 1/2 the road that a ton of salt will cover. $34.00 for the brine vs. $63.00 for the salt to treat the same amount of roadway. If the brine is applied BEFORE the snowfall, plow time AFTER the snowfall is reduced, so man hours are actually about the same for snow removal. Overall, costs are reduced by using the brine.

  • Bruce

    You have to wonder how many of those millions of dollars could have been saved if they hadn’t been paid out as part of some obscene overtime payout negotiated by the civil service unions? Just raise you blade an inch higher, and you’ve doubled your time on the road and quadrupled your pay.

    Maybe instead of pickle juice, they should just change the pay to snow emergency rules that pay plowers for 8 hours regardless of how long they actually work. Then you would be amazed at how much plowing could be done in 8 hours.

    • applepicker

      Very Lucid Idea Bruce!

    • I am with u Bruce

      Another idea…….use the GPS systems they already have and hammer them with it. Although I am sure they cant fire them due to contract verbage.

  • Fishkitt

    Perhaps this will appear cynical but in fact this is my actual belief regarding this matter. Less economical methods of snow removal are favorable to the people in the business of removing snow. Poor economic planning and very little “legitimate supervision” of the actual game plan being performed is the perfect formula for achieving two highly regarded goals in this deal. Relief money for the government to pay for more inventory and the big dog in the game. OVERTIME….. These formulas and discussion are great and interesting but?? Anyone agree?

  • http://thecryptojournalist.wordpress.com The Cryptojournalist

    Isn’t Snooki from Poughkeepsie? Clearly her magnetic influence on Jersey culture is stronger than first expected….

  • Matt Jilek

    A gallon is 128 oz divided by 16 oz = 8 pounds ( 8 pounds divided by 7 cents gives u 1.15 cents per pound) for the brine. 2000 divided by $63 is .03 per pound giving the city a “potential” cost savings of 1.80 cents a pound savings… ow the coverage of a gallon (8 pounds of brine) vs a pound of salt is much better. We use a similar wacky mixture in the midwest and it works very well. besides, come spring you will have pickled herring from the bay.. redstatereportdotcom

    • Mel

      You can’t just convert liquid ounces, which is a volume measurement, to pounds, which is a measurement of weight.

  • DT

    Brine at 7 cents = 1 gallon. 100 gallons costs $7. Multiply by 9 and 900 gallons costs $63.

    1 ton of salt = 2,000 pounds X 16 oz/lb. = 32,000 ounces. 1 cup of salt mixed with 1 gallon of water makes brine. 1 cup of salt weighs 10 ounces. 1 ton of salt = 3,200 cups. Therefore, 1 ton of salt costing $63 = 3,200 cups of salt to make 3,200 gallons of brine.

    • up north

      use sand only , it polutes nothing and gives traction needed, snow and ice sliding on top of pick juice = slip sliding away. Plus its cheap.

      • Nate

        We quit using sand a long time ago in Michigan because is clogs up the storm drains. Seems like a combination would make sense though.

    • Toad

      You beat me to DT. I think the public works director may need to sit in on his kids third grade math class. Either that or commission a government study to determine the necessary atomic weight of street salt and its potential for dilution into a solution of hydrogen and oxygen. But not before they determine how many parts of hydrogen and oxygen are necessary to create a solution suitable to dilute said amount of street salt…..

  • jerseyjoey

    I can see it now, when the thaw comes and the pickle juice runoff hits the sea, a line off fish singing(hold the pickles hold the lettuce special orders dont upset us) lol

  • Grasshopper junction

    Relax theres nothing to worry about, GLOBAL WARMING will melt all of your snow; al Gore told me so!!!!!

  • TJ

    An earthquake? Try living through a bad one first elda

  • elda

    It is all going to go back into the ocean when it melts anyway.

  • elda

    So why don’t they just suck up ocean water and then it is free! Just suck it into a water truck and spray it like they would water.

    • Moishe Kahan

      good idea but need higher percentage of salt

  • elda

    I’ll take an earthquake over all that show and other weather issues that blow roof and trees into your neighbors yard anyday. I just hope the next one causes SF and LA to slide into the Pacific ocean. Then we will be a conservative state again.

    • Free salt

      Along these lines, take Gov. Island and flood it with salt water and come back in a year. Tadaaaa………..free salt!!!

  • Craig

    “So, $0.07/gallon vs. $63/ton”

    Excellent observation. Every number cited in news articles should be subjected to a calculator and common sense. Of course, as CowHand pointed out, this one fails on both counts.

    If the reporter had been truly interested, he’d have told us why using brine might be cost-effective.

  • oneredleftshoe

    Thanks Cowhand I thought I was the only one that noticed.

  • CowHand

    So, $0.07/gallon vs. $63/ton….Does anyone realize that this comparison is meaningless? How much does it cost to treat the same sized area? Idiots!

    • TranpDorena

      Yeah this reporting is as bad as something you can read at Yahoo! news.

      Pathetic!

    • your dad

      better for the water system big shot

      • I’m confused.

        A brine solution consists of salt and water. So how exactly is a solution containing salt better (or worse, for that matter) than pure salt?

        CowHand is dead on….

        By definition, Brine = 50g/l of salt in solution. That is 0.11 pounds of salt. At 7 cents per gallon, that is 63 cents per pound. Multiplied by 2000 pounds (1 ton) and you get $1260. So again, how is this a better investment?

      • robg

        There are approximately 250 gallons in a ton X 0.07 per gal = $17.50

    • Moishe Kahan

      whats the max IQ allowance for government employees ?

      • ivan yakoff

        somewher ebetween 9 and 37 kahan

      • Larry King

        They don’t measure it — takes too much effort.

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