People need to know about location tracking, but that doesn’t mean this couldn’t provide far more information than location alone.

Exactly! People need to forget the Democrat/Republican BS – we are all Americans first and we need to act like it.

Go to hell Stank

With a name like stank, he’s already in hell.

Ever hear of bomb & drug sniffing dogs. dogs can detect explosive vapors at 500 parts per TRILLION. Dogs are used to find ting cancerous tumors that scans miss. Dogs warn persons with epilepsy, diabetes & narcolepsy of oncoming attacks. dogs are excellent observers/decoders of human/behavior intent – literally smell fear, aggression & many other emotions. Dogs isolate on or several scents simultaneously. Dogs are non intrusive, cost effective, and would significantly reduce waiting times. Dogs p/u scents from several feet away & simply sit to alert. Dogs can smell rectal bombs. R ppl suppose to swim to Hawaii? Some ppl’s jobs require them to fly. How about if your afraid of a terrorist attack on a plane, YOU don’t fly.

I never said I agreed with the TSA or the manner in which we’re searching. I’m saying that it’s not unconstitutional. As much as I appreciate your somewhat incoherent message….you’re missing my point.
Plus…there was this thing that was around long before airplanes. It’s called a boat. If you’re that opposed to current security measures look into it. And if you have a job that requires you to frequently violate your personal beliefs…get a new one. No law forcing it.

Glad to hear you don’t agree with the TSA. However, it seems like you are missing the point in all this. You are correct that “you are not obligated to fly” but seriously, a boat. If the government would just remove themselves from this and let the airlines take care of security as they see fit, then you would have the REAL FREEDOM of choice in the matter, as you would be able to pick and choose which airline you feel most comfortable with. That would be true freedom of choice. But when there is a government official at every gate prepared to conduct an illegal search without probable cause (other than the fact you want to fly somewhere) then that is 100% violating YOUR 4th amendment. Kind of confusing when you say, do something else there is no law enforcing it. When the exact opposite is what is happening,

How about the fourth amendment CC? No matter where I am, no matter what I do, my person has the “RIGHT” to be secure from unnecessary searches. “On a plane, in a house, with a mouse.”
Implementing the TSA’s tactics is not a necessity. We all need not stand in line and be frisked because Saudi’s in 2001 overtook planes and crashed them. There hasn’t been any successful attack in a decade and that is due to people on planes having the information that Muslims are out to get us. All middle eastern males and females need to be searched until they get the message that they are being watched.

I think it is if the governement is doing it – and they are. It’s not like the airlines decided this was needed – the governement forced the airlines to comply.

But again…this is an issue for the airlines, not the people. And it’s your decision to fly, regardless of the inconveniences (seriously…a boat).

CC,
You are absolutly right when you say that you don’t have to fly. AND you are absolutly right that this is an issue for the airlines. SO, when the government enters and says to ALL of the airlines, you are going to to do x y and z or you will be fined to the point of bankruptcy, no other option. You can’t agree that is unconstitutional, forget the 4th amendment stuff. The airlines didn’t go to the government and say, ok its time for you to tell us how to run things, we don’t know what to do. Ask any business owner if he/she would like the government to write their policies for them. They were forced to do it .

Which is a different issue of constitutionality. The government has no place in the market. I agree with that completely. I am as right wing as can be (and living in the borderline communist state of MA…so I’m sure we won’t be far behind with this text message alert system and will find a way to tax it, too…) and am actively involved in the tea party. I just struggle with people pitching a fit about something that you don’t have to do.
I think the government should be completely uninvolved in my daily life (including schools).

Government Motors (GM) is also making Onstar standard equipment on all new vehicles, and is now available for all makes and models of vehicles. Facebook has saved the Department of Homeland Security and the CIA millions. Government already knows who all your friends & family are – your genealogy is also available online. It’s not about keeping you safe, it’s about control. I don’t need a surrogate parent. It’s about time the WH be added to the “Do Not Call ” list!

BTW – Explosive & drug sniffing dogs are non-intrusive, cost effective, highly effective alternative to “pat downs” and “scans” note CC insulted instead of coming up with a viable argument against using dogs because there is none. Dogs could be placed at airport entrances so bombs would not even make it inside. The fact dogs are not being used is proof that it is not about safety but about control.

I didn’t insult the dogs…just the coherency of your post. And I’m not opposed to dogs. I think it brings forth some cost issues and some other problems that need to be well thought out, but I’m certainly not opposed. I’m truly game for any solution that makes sense.

But an unconstitutional issue none the less. Because eventually Those policies infringe on the liberties of us all. Which is exactly what this government should be protecting and are not.They would instead turn their head and hide behind the patriot act. Look, I think we are close in beliefs here I just believe that you should not turn the other way and find a new way to do things as the government grows and grows. Eventually, maybe fifty years from now, but eventually the Transportation Security Administration (not the airline security administration) could possibly be involved directly with all modes of transportation. Then what do you do, ya know. I heard a clip of Bruce Fein saying in opposition of the patriot act that “The default position of the constitution is that liberty is more important than the convienience of law enforcement.” How convienient for them to be able to search everyone that chooses to fly. Take care. Don’t get cornered.

Ron PAul 2012

Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

CC you need to reread the Bill of Rights. To be searched means they must have probable cause to believe you are a terrorist or swore off your allegiance to the United States of America and gave some other heinous type of oath or affirmation. I can see why they must search you, it appears that you are of the Nazi regime.

CC, you’re right, flying is a choice. But it IS against the law to touch someone’s private parts – I believe it’s what’s known as sexual felony assault. Even police officers arresting someone on the street are not allowed, by law, to touch your private parts in a pat-down. After you are booked is another matter, but not in the initial arrest. And it is a violation of at least the 4th ammendment.