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Tourist Recounts ‘Traumatic’ Experience After Carriage Horse Takes A Tumble

Animal Rights Activists Renew Calls For Ban; Drivers: You Are Overreacting

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(credit: Theresa Shaver via YouTube)

(credit: Theresa Shaver via YouTube)

John Montone

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NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — A tourist hoping to enjoy a leisurely ride through Central Park on a carriage horse Sunday said she is distraught after the animal started moving backward and fell to the ground.

Theresa Shaver told 1010 WINS’ John Montone that her husband and son were sitting on the horse carriage when it tripped over a curb and collapsed.

1010 WINS’ John Montone With More On The Incident


“Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, oh my gosh! Oh the horse, no! Oh God, get off, get off,” she could be heard screaming on the video.

Warning: Strong Language

Shaver described the whole episode as a “traumatic” experience and was incensed to see that shortly after the incident, the carriage driver allegedly had the horse in line to pick up new passengers.

“You put him back to work after he drops to the ground twice?” she asked the driver seen on the YouTube video.

Shaver said something terrible could have happened given what she perceived to be the horse’s poor condition.

Back home in upstate Baldwinsville on Thursday, Shaver said she still hasn’t gotten over the incident.

“I’m changed forever. My view on it is changed forever. I was actually afraid for horses on the way out. I didn’t want to get near the carriages,” Shaver told CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer.

However, a spokesman for the Horse and Carriage Drivers Association, Ian McKeever, said Shaver is “crazy” and overreacted.

Warning: Strong Language

McKeever said the horse just tripped like a person might trip and was “absolutely fine.” He said the horse was returned to the stable to be checked and returned to work only on the following day.

“We followed proper protocol, we brought the horse back to the stable — made sure the horse was fine.  And the horse was fine,” McKeever said.

Kramer found Bill Sac, the carriage driver during the incident, on Central Park South on Thursday with a different horse.

“It could happen sometime. It could happen. They always risk,” Sac said.

Dr. Pamela Corey, Director of Equine Veterinary Service for the Humane Law Enforcement Department of the ASPCA, said the horse was “spooked by a pedicab and fell down.”

The driver claims that Shaver left her purse in the carriage and he was waiting with the horse in the hack-line for her to return to collect it, Corey said.

The incident comes on the heels of a recent push by animal rights activists and lawmakers to ban horse-drawn carriages in New York City. Supporters of the movement claim it is abusive to the animals.

“This is definitely a safety issue safety, meaning it’s a safety issue for the horses and it’s a safety issue for people,” said Elizabeth Forel of the Coalition to Ban Horse Drawn Carriages.

Drivers said an investigation isn’t necessary.

“The truth of the matter is that they’re very well cared for. There’s much oversight of this industry. These guys love their horses and take good care of them,” Demos Demopoulos said.

Did the woman overreact or does she have a good reason to feel traumatized? Should horse-drawn carriages be banned? Share your thoughts in the comments section below…

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  • adam

    right, i grew up on a horse farm in bucks county PA, after watching this video.. i feel disgusted… not because of the very common horse getting spooked and tripping, but because of the dumb dumb with the video camera

    • Brad

      Exactly. I don’t know why people focused on “inhumane treatment” of these horses…totally not the point of the article.

  • Aj

    TEAM THERESA!!

  • Micha

    I feel horrible for these poor horses. I am sure there are some handlers who actually care, but for the most part these animals are simply money makers. They are forced to work in all kinds of weather conditions, sick or healthy. I admit, I’ve always been tempted to take a ride, but I just can’t support this kind of abuse. The horse drawn carriages of central park should be abolished and the horses should be sent to a refuge somewhere to enjoy the rest of their lives. If people want old world charm, they can head south to the Pensylvania Amish country…

    • Roxanne

      “Forced to work, sick or healthy”?? These horses not only get 3X a year mandatory vet check, but are checked numerous times a month by the ASPCA and/or the DOH. Their are CHILDREN in this city that don’t live as good lives as these horses, WAKE UP!!

    • missy

      I’m sure if these horses aren’t working, they’ll be glue. What’s better then???

      • Bob P.

        There are equine retirement homes, that have committed to taking all these horses, should they be relieved of their miserable situation. Maybe you should should be a little less “sure” of yourself, until you’ve educated yourself as to the facts. You would avoid embarrassing yourself.

    • Rosa Munguia-Maguire

      The Amish abuse their animals and have puppy mills purely for profit. Also the slaughterhouses are up in PA. Research and you will see the Amish are not what they seem. They do this in secrecy…

    • Flatbush Saddle

      I am from Lancaster County. You want to see horses work in all sorts of weather conditions, sick and healthy, go there and experience the old world charm of what it looks like so see a horse working. When it comes to transporation and farm function, horses in Lancaster Amish country deal with tons of auto traffic, or long days of field work. I know in NYC they are definitley not sick, but the amish, depends on what needs to get done that day, the Amish are all business, with no DOH. So why is it so totally OK to see horses at work on pavement trotting a great speed for miles in PA, not the slow Central Park reasonable pace, still breathing exhaust on 60 mph highways (way more dangerous), the people driving and riding carriage and walking in both places breathing this same air why is it fine for people to breath it? But if horse breathes it, it’s abuse? Why is Amish country a recommended old world charm experience, when in NYC it’s called “abuse”. I think it has somthing to do with who wants to be the savior of horses without actually having to do any work to do any actual saving. Easier to beat up and punish your NYC neighbor and then feel like somthing helpful has been accomplished. A JOB FOR A HORSE DOES NOT EQUAL ABUSE. A working horse is somthing alot of ARAs seem to have trouble with only if it has a city backdrop. But a working horse in the country, this is fine?. Work means survival for that animal. Horses are way to expensive to think along the lines of “pet”. And those fancy sport horses, in the country, they work less but the injury factor as athletes goes way up. You want to talk abuse, let’s talk about people who can’t afford to feed, or can’t find a home for the “pet” they can no longer afford. And stop spreading lies about how the NYC carriage horses can’t lay down and rest. Stop fabricating images to just foment your personal alarm so you can blow stack yet again.

  • NJer

    She is a lunatic. The horse was clearly fine. She needs to seek psychological treatment for her intense rage and hysteria immediately. The doctors should check her husband and children to make sure they are not suffering from trauma from living in the same house with her.

  • ksny

    Perhaps horses should not be in NYC, but the important observation here is that the woman still over-reacted from the get-go. Before the horse goes down, she’s freaking out when the horse is merely backing up, and not even that fast. People who over-react like that are not usually level-headed, and tend to exaggerate their stories and be overly dramatic. Please take that into account before you decide that her reaction was visceral and that it took courage for her to post in online. People who are used to creating drama don’t think their behavior is above and beyond the norm, so I doubt it was a stretch for her to post her video – she thinks she’s just fine. Her reaction probably scared her kid and the the horse even more, and might have further contributed to the incident. She needs a valium, and to leave NYC.

  • A

    “You don’t treat an animal like that” Please lady, advocates have been trying to put a stop to the use of horses around Central Park for years but it’s tourist like you who keep these people in business. How about you don’t endorse it to begin with!

    • missy

      THat’s exactly what I think too!

  • Gigi

    Even if she was obviously upset by what happened with the horse, my first reaction was that she totally ignored her son who was there. Her first reaction should not have been to selfishly scream and yell, no matter how she felt, but she should have not made a scene like that in person in front of her kid.

  • B. Beekman

    As a horse rider who has been around horses for years, I can tell you that they are quite rugged and can easily recover from a fall. Just like a human, all they need is to be dusted off and they’re allright. A horse will spook, though, at any little thing such as a small piece of white paper fluttering on the ground or a “suspicious” twig lying across the trail They’e easily frightened, as big as they are. It doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with the horse at all. What it does mean, however, is that the rider (or carriageman) has to keep a sharp lookout for these kinds of strange objects and talk reassuringly to the animal to keep him from shying away from the perceived “danger”. He has to be encouraged to keep moving forward. If the horse continues walking straight ahead, and doesn’t shy sideways, tripping over the curb as this one did, there will be no problem. The rider or carriageman has to be vigilant.
    This woman, I think, was “planted” to create a scene replayable for a larger specific audience. Her hysterical shrieking is just as phony as can be. The whole thing was a put on for some nefarious purpose. We should condemn her, and not the horse.

    • Eduardo

      Beekman, very insightful and intelligent post, thank you. I, too, am thinking there is something more to this than meets the eye — she is screaming hysterically, yet the camera is steady as a rock? Very odd.

    • Bob P.

      “planted to create a scene”? You mean, she was “planted” because she or somebody, knew this incident was going to occur? Through ESP perhaps? Or when you say “create”, you mean she caused the horse to behave the way it did? You’re talking nonsense.

      • Keats

        Actually, if this was a setup, the pedicab could have been working with her, as part of her “activist” group, to try to spook the horse by overturning the pedicab. They might have even watched and know what horse might be the most skiddish. People do this stuff all time. Depends on what their agenda is.

  • NM

    What a lunatic….I would be collapsing too if I had to pull her around!!

  • retractor

    She hadn’t considered a law suit, but not a bad idea. Thanks.

  • DanTe

    The really sad part of the story: She Spawned.

    And now the infestation of the gene pool continues.

  • Donnatella Soleil

    Awww the tourist got upset. Its bad enough that the poor animal has to lug your lazy keisters around so you can live some outdated weirdo fantasy but they have to do it in all sorts of weather. Next time I hope the horse kicks you in the head. Maybe you’ll develop something called sense.

  • Shudder

    Gadzooks, imagine being married to that.

  • Martha Salvia Erickson

    THEY’RE PART OF CENTRAL PARK ATTRACTION…I’M SURE THE WOMAN IS ALREADY LOOKING FOR A LAWYER..!! COME ON! I LOVE TO RIDE IN A CARRIAGE ON CENTRAL PARK !!

    • LaughinMyAzzoff

      Yes, I am sure she was a clairvoyant and knew the particular carriage horse that would freak out that day. She was looking for a pay day and checked with her crystal ball to see. She drove 5 hours to NYC and arrived at the exact time to get in the carriage and make some dough. She couldn’t predict where cash cab would be that morning.

  • cj

    There are two issues, as I see it…One is the whole question of what happens to old or unwanted horses. The other is the woman’s reaction. Why is it OK for a woman to shriek like a banshee when something starts going wrong? She has a responsibility to remain calm so she can effectively protect her child. She may or may not have a right to be upset, to decompensate the way she did is irresponsible. I wonder that her wailing might not have upset the horse even more!

    • andrialea

      wow. that woman was a mess!!!!!!!! did she think that video would prove the horse was in bad shape or that she is unstable? the poor poor horse was clearly spooked, and walking backwards and sideways in a packed park with curbs and cobble stone hell, let her try that with a huge carriage and blinders on and NOT fall over. generally speaking the horse shouldn’t be made to do this if he is spooked by things that are commonly found in the park, that is subjection. however i don’t think the horse and the woman have too much of a different story here, they both overreacted. i think they could use some R & R. Horse drown carriages need more regulations i agree, but if they are out of work —- what do you think will happen to them? they will retired on a farm? i don’t think so.

      • Tracy Mastorpole

        They won’t be out of work. There are alternatives such as electric, antique cars. We moved forward from the horse and buggy for a reason. I think it’s time central park should do the same and stop putting people’s and horses lives at risk.

        Yes the woman sounds terribly upset. I’m sure it wasn’t easy for her to post the video. She is trying to make a difference. She was encouraged that these videos might help the cause to ban the carriage rides. BRAVO to her, as she put a video online of her at a vulnerable time. It’s easy for ignorant people to personally attack her. It’s not the intention of sharing the story. You would all feel different if it had been your family members or your children involved.

  • David

    Seems pretty obvious that the woman Theresa had no idea what she was in for when she was getting on a horse drawn carriage ride. When the horse collapsed from what looks like exhaustion and or disorientation, she rightfullly freaked out. She is not “crazy” at all, and for the horse carriage operator to not only bring the horse right back out to work, without any kind of a break, and then to call a customer crazy just shows how little they care about anyone or anything. This industry is money driven and clearly does not care about the welfare of the horses in its custody, or at least not as much as they care about money. Therefore these attacks on Theresa are obviously coming from the industry, drivers, owners or maybe investors – no decent person would attack Theresa or call her crazy, an idiot, hypocrite, or any of the other rediculous accusations I have seen in the comments. The drivers and owners should have been focussed on taking care of a sick horse when they were not. They can tell themselves whatever comforting dillusions they’d like about how it is in their interest to keep the horses in good shape and well, but this video clearly demonstrates the opposite, and there is a reason so many New Yorkers are in favor of a full ban.

    • Eva Hughes

      David – what you don’t know about horses would fill a book. The horse was shying at an upside-down pedicab in the MIDDLE OF THE CARRIAGE LANE. The driver went back to the line to check the horse, have other owners look at the horse, and to await the lady’s return for her purse which she left on the carriage. She admits that she left her purse on the carriage in the second videos. As far as money and horses go, it takes ALOT of money to keep a horse, and our horses help to EARN it. How many horses do YOU feed and take care of, David? There are dozens going to slaughter on Monday in New Holland, get yourself down there and put your money where your mouth is.

  • B. Beekman

    She is indeed an idiot. This is the last stop for these animals who, if they aren’t pulling carriages, will probably be consigned to the slaughterhouse where they will be converted into horsemeat for European and Mexican tables or just plain dogfood. There are two of these slaughterhouses in Mexico and one in Canada who would be very happy to increase their business with new arrivals of former Central Park carriagehorses. As presently operated, unwanted horses are cruelly packed into trucks and driven long distances without food or water to the slaughterhouse. There, they are killed by a steel bolt being driven into their heads (the cheapest method) before “processing”. I wonder if Mrs. Shaver would like to stand by and watch as this is going on. Would she consider it more humane than pulling the carriage? If her crazy acting gig bears fruit, this will be the probable outcome.

  • SLASH%%

    Shes a moron send her and her fat family back upstate

  • Donny Moss

    How many more spooked or dead horses will it take to remove 19th century horse and buggies out of 21st century midtown Manhattan?

    • Eva Hughes

      Lots of spooked and dead horses in racing, eventing, etc etc, WAAAY more than in Central Park — should we close all those pursuits down as well? How’s about pasture? More horses are injured at pasture than anywhere else. Maybe we should just get rid of horses altogether, eh, Donny?

  • interested

    The woman is clearly wearing an ASPCA wristband, notice at about 12 seconds on second video, where she’s screaming at the driver. Interesting that an ASPCA supporter would be taking a carriage ride, don’t you think?

    • Michael H.

      What’s funny is an ASPCA veterinarian dismissed the whole thing right in the article as “the horse was spooked by a pedicab”.

  • AndyJacksonian

    Too bad the horse didn’t trip and fall on top of the shreiking witch!

  • Andrew Bellucci

    I say both carriage horses and fat tourists should be banned from New York City.

    • Brad

      Zing!

  • Rina Deych

    This woman was NOT crazy and the horse did NOT trip. If you watch the video, you’ll see, something was wrong with the horse. Whether he spooked or was ill or both is not clear, but he collapsed TWICE. I’m not sure why Mr. Montone bought the lie from the industry that he “tripped.” Since the carriage horse industry was represented in this piece, so should Elizabeth Forel of the Coalition to Ban Horse Carriages, as well as veterinarians who review the footage. This is a brutal industry that needs to banned. Horses don’t belong in NYC traffic, period. If they don’t collapse and die of exhaustion or illness, when they are no longer “useful” to the industry, they are often sold at auction to slaughterhouse. That is their reward for a lifetime of working long hours in all
    weather extremes, without adequate care at the hands of often inexperienced and uncaring drivers. This industry needs to be cast into the dustbin of history.

    • AndyJacksonian

      Yep, and your not crazy either … you nut case!

    • Michael H.

      You ask for a veterinarian, the article has one:

      “Dr. Pamela Corey, Director of Equine Veterinary Service for the Humane Law Enforcement Department of the ASPCA, said the horse was “spooked by a pedicab and fell down.””

      Is that independent enough for you?

      • Shineyhappy

        I’m sorry, so which is it? He was spooked or he tripped? I would believe the vet. He was spooked. Which will happen at any time, any place. I wonder how people would feel if their toddler was standing close by and was crushed by the horse. Would the lady be crazy then?

      • drnyqns

        @shineyhappy – He was spooed and that caused him to trip.

    • Lynne R.

      What was wrong with the horse is that s/he spooked, jack-knifed, and tripped over a curb. It is pretty clear to anyone who knows horses, although it may baffle someone such as yourself who has never been around horses.

  • Alicia

    I think the lady exhaggerated but the horse did look tired and was going backwards as if dizzy! Any animal lover would react like that. The woman was scared and rightfully so, she was in the carriage. I feel sorry for the animal because it did appear ill and had to return to work. Abuse is abuse is abuse!

  • Regfixer

    She’s an idiot and I am sure will need “compensation” for her “trauma”. Obviously she is not around horses very often.

    • Sleepless

      You are right, she hasn’t ever been around horses. But you are wrong about her being an idiot. You’ve never been in the situation.

    • alex

      Why are people hijacking this story from the real focus of it? The horse collapsed twice and it was put back in line to work some more…That’s what is idiotic.

      • Brad

        Wrong; the focus of the article is this woman’s insane overreaction. The horse was fine for Chrissake!

    • Stanley

      She is an idiot!!! she should get over herself. She over reacted, and instead of worrying about the well being of the horse she was acting stupid. A lesson for her now; DONT GET AROUND ANIMALS….

    • Michigan Gal

      The city is no place for a horse. Horses deserve green pastures.

    • carmel fusco

      take a look at these horses and tell me they are having a good life. they are exploited as has been the case with most animals since forever. finally, people are beginning to come into awareness.

    • Marlene Fromann Morgenthaler

      The horses are there. that is the job they were bred for. Their greatest protector is Dr. Corey. If you all want to make a difference, vote Dr. Cory tp take charge of the industry in Manhattan and let her set the guild lines.

    • http://kplanx.wordpress.com K Plan

      Perhaps the horses shouldn’t be running around NYC. No doubt that CBS has incorrectly focused on the woman and her “trauma,” but the horses are poorly cared for, pushed BEYOND their limit in this weather, and should NOT be running through NYC streets — in the park or around it.

    • Just Me

      You are so right!! We own horses and they get “spooked” by the smallest things sometimes! I’m sure all her dang screaming didn’t help!!!! OMGOSH Lady!!!!!! I think she needs an Academy Award for that performance!!!

    • Mellony

      Wrap her in bubble wrap & keep her in the apartment on the couch away from the stress of life. It sounded like even her husband was embarested by her.

    • sunnyskies

      And it would seem, you yourself are not around horses very often. That horse went down twice and was back on the line. So who is it, really, who’s trying to make a buck here? The carriage driver or the traumatized tourist, who recognized animal abuse when she saw it?

      Not everyone who cares is after a buck, something else you would perhaps, not understand.

    • Lissy

      How sad that CBS highlights as its “featured comment” a childish remark that resorts to name-calling. how about some critical thinking?

    • Molly

      Horse carriages need to be banned. They are treated horribly…kept in stalls so small that they cannot lay down. Oh, and these “stalls” are actually parking garages with no sprinkler systems installed. The people that run these carriage companies are ignorant and cruel. Anyone who disagrees clearly has no compassion.

      • Fleur

        It’s LIE down not LAY down. And it is a lie that the stalls are too small for the horses to lie down in. And by the way, horses on average sleep standing up. In a 24 hour day, they may lie down only for a total of an hour or two,

    • Fleur

      THI!! This poster is right-on!

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