Protesters Deal With Cold, Snow And No Power After Generators Removed From Zuccotti Park

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork/AP) — Protesters camping out in Zuccotti Park are dealing with a host of issues this weekend, from colder than normal temperatures and a rare October snowfall to a lack of power after the FDNY took away their generators on Friday.

It was a little colder and darker than usual for Occupy Wall Street protesters overnight. Fire marshals removed six gas-powered generators and about a dozen gas cans from the park, saying it was a safety issue.

But many in the park were skeptical about the fire department’s motives.

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An Occupy Wall Street member sets up a tent as rain falls at Occupy Wall Street on Zuccotti Park near Wall Street in New York, on October 27, 2011. (Photo credit: EMMANUEL DUNAND/AFP/Getty Images)

“The argument could be made they just wanted to get at our power source,” said demonstrator Brian Najdanik.

Without generators, protesters were left with just flashlights and lanterns. Lights, cooking equipment and the media center at Zuccotti Park were all turned off.

Fire officials say storing gasoline in such packed quarters is simply too dangerous.

But the protesters are coming up with a new solution — a stationary bike and generator connected to a battery.

“We’ve got five bike-powered generator systems that are coming from Boston and we’ve got five more plus other ones that are going to supplement as well so we’re completely, completely off the grid,” said demonstrator Lauren Minis.

Insiders at Occupy Wall Street say they expect to have their media center and the food service area fully powered and illuminated by Monday.

The movement is also expected to reveal just how much money they have raised and spent in the first five weeks of the Occupy Wall Street campaign.

OWS has reportedly raised nearly $454,000 and has spent more than $50,000 so far for things like food, clothing, medical supplies, laundry, media and other expenses.

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  1. The Realist says:

    “Democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
    –Thomas Jefferson

  2. Buck Ofama says:

    Clearly, Bloomberg has mentally checked out of his job. When is the next election?

  3. Buck Ofama says:

    Since it’s in NYC… “Send in the clowns, there ought to be clowns… don’t bother, they’re here.”

    And I hate clowns. They can all eat sh1t and die. LOL.

  4. Mayor Daily says:

    OWS Movement has collected over $500,000 in donations so far, and yet they get angry when the homeless try to eat one of their 5 star chef prepared meals!

    How about Occupy a Soup Kitchen?
    Check out more of the stats on OWS at my website.

  5. cygon says:

    there are old 60s ear protesters there. guess they never really grew up. or maybe the drugs fired their brain completely I saw an older dude carrying a flag of communist CHina. Seriously, they really thjink conditions there are great? they shouod take their money where their ideology is and get thehel outa the USA.

  6. Ted says:

    If this clowns want to freeze their tails off – that’s there problem. They are nothing more than a side show distraction for the liberal entertainment industry to applaud, and of course corrupt politicians (no need to name, just look and see who hasn’t paid their taxes).

    OWS is an ineffective joke. They have no impact, no purpose and don’t warrant any more media coverage or time.

  7. Andrew Nutra says:

    I don’t have a problem with corporations taking their jobs overseas. I have a big problem with Americans buying from those same companies thereby keeping them in business. We can’t have it both ways. Do we want to pay higher prices to keep American jobs here or do we pay less and support those companies operating in China?

    As for high executive compensation: Put it this way, the last two times I got laid off, when I was going on interviews, I never asked my interviewer how much money their CEO was making.

    1. The Realist says:

      Visit the “protesters” and find out how much THEIR C.E.O. is paying himself?

  8. Andrew Nutra says:

    If things are so bad out there why are there still millions of people all over the world paying thousands of dollars to risk their lives, leave their families and come here? Do they know something we don’t? Everywhere I look I see Mexican migrants around. They work doing everything from being landscapers, house keepers, delivery boys, bus boys, sushi chefs, to working at 5 star restaurants. They’ve diversified. They’re hard working, resourceful and they never complain. Young folks today have gotten soft! I see the OWS as kids who “borrowed $200K for college and someone owes me a job, and I ain’t taking minimum wage either!”

    1. The Realist says:

      Of course, they really “borrowed $200K for college and someone owes [them] a job,” then they should do what any REAL American would do: identify the SPECIFIC job to which they are entitled and SUE the employer for wrongful non-hiring.

  9. Andrew Nutra says:

    I agree with their right to voice their opinions but without a clear focus and endgame it’s hard to take them seriously. What are your demands? When do you declare victory? I see the OWS as kids who “borrowed $200K for college and someone owes me a job, and I ain’t taking minimum wage either!”

    1. The Realist says:

      Of course, if they really “borrowed $200K for college and someone owes [them] a job,” then they should do what REAL Americans do: identify the SPECIFIC job to which they are entitled and SUE the employer for wrongful non-hiring.

  10. edrews says:

    A further look tat the numbers (Source: indicates OWS’s claims of Wall Street’s massive contributions to politicians doesn’t hold up. When one looks at the numbers, the top contriibuting group for th 2011 – 2012 election cytle is Retired folks. The second group is Security/Investment. Out of $611 million contributed, only $36.4 million was contributed by Secirities/Investment interests – or about 5.9% of the total contributed amount. That 5.9% is fairly distributed across House, Senate and Presidential contributions.

    The assertion that Wall Street has overwhelming influence on politics is just not supported by he numbers, as 5.9% of the contributions is FAR from an overwhelming percentage. OWS needs to do some better research. The top contirbutor group – Retired – only contributed 7.5% of the overall contributions.

    The third and fourth largest contributor groups are Lawyers and Real Estate respectively.

  11. Nathan of says:

    instead of staging a John Lennon-like sleep in, they should be marching down to Washington, DC, and across University campus offices, where the real culprits are. The rich can only influence the corrupt. True leaders lead, they aren’t bought. Unfortunately, we currently lack that brand of true leadership. Wall Street is your scapegoat, and a convenient way to engage in class warfare.

  12. Jerry Frey says:

    “An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics.” Plutarch d AD120

    “If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.”

    A. Lincoln

    NeilSalemMA Why does all this remind me of France in the 1780s and 1790s?

    Our system of free enterprise is a corrupt oligarchy of the wealthy that drives more and more middle class Americans into poverty, even while the very rich get much richer. As happened over 200 years ago in France, the people will eventually rise up.

  13. Taxpayer says:


    1. Art Gatti says:

      How about “end teaching, too”? moron

      1. Arty Gatti says:

        No Art, no one said that. Just outrageous pensions and the virtual inability to ever be fired for shoddy work thanks to the TU. moron.

  14. DP says:

    They are staying in parks without permits that other groups have to pay for when they want to hold public assemblies in NYC. They are handling huge amounts of income without being incorporated – how are they being taxed? Are they 501(c)(4)? or what? They are running a food service without inspections, licensing, etc. They want more corporate regulations, while at the same time despising even the most rudimentary of the corporate regulations that are already in place.

    1. DocZ says:

      “They” are You, imbecile!

      1. WhatsUpDoc says:

        Doc, the are not us. Not by a long shot. If they were, there would be more than a few hundred.Most of us are responsible and take the blame for our own actions or lack of action. If we borrow $150,000 to pay for tuition at a University where tuition has risen at 4 times the inflation rate, and thus ignore the fact we’re overpaying so the U and Professors can make huge incomes, we don’t blame the wrong people. When our elected officials are crushing business and jobs under countless regulations and taxes, throwing money we can’t afford away with reckless spending, we protest them or vote them out. We don’t push class warfare, in this free country. When we aren’t immediately hired after borrowing hundreds of thousands for our liberal arts degree in Russian literature, we don’t want tax payers to cover our stupid risk. They may be you Doc, but they aren’t all of us. Imbecile.

    2. The Realist says:

      It’s not just the money that they’re getting. O.W.S. is using – RENT FREE – two storefronts at 52 Broadway in a building owned by the United Federation of Teachers. The federal and state tax codes clearly treat the market value of the unpaid rent as INCOME that isn’t being reported.

      I’m still waiting to see O.W.S.’s AUDITED financial statements.

  15. tBone says:

    that’s DISGUSTING. all that food and garbage in one small space. wet clothes, wet stinky bodies. gross gross gross. all those weirdos down there eating “stacks of pizza” …good god, where do they take a dump after eating all that pizza?
    i guess Bloomberg won’t have a choice but to move in when they start spreading disease

  16. fed up with hypocrite says:

    What was Micheal Moore doing down there? He makes millions and invest on the stock market to feed his fat ass. Maybe he found out there were some chef down there and wanted to build more real estate around his waist. What a dumb ass.

    1. ted says:

      He heard there was free food. Afterwards, he will sue for it not being properly prepared to meet his standards.

  17. Huh says:

    Wheres Susan Sarandon and Kanye West when its cold and snowy?…back home in their million dollar homes nice and toasty?

  18. Frank says:

    How long will this last?? They made thier point..ok already ..millions in OT because these so called “protesters” have to be baby sat..dont these idiots see that they are being counter productive…most of these protesters are criminals out of jail and homeless people..come on Bloomberg!!!


    Americans have their backs to the wall, we need a change from the atypical paradigm that has besieged Washington since the inception of The Federal Reserve System, in 1913. Clearly, Ron Paul will be the Next President.
    Simply and honestly,
    all he is asking for is prudent clarity and focus in your logic by, reducing the size of over bloated government, pork barrel lobbying politics, our global military presence (and the exorbitant billions of spending that go with it), more States rights, the return of the gold and silver backed dollar, and the elimination of worthless printing of the present inflated fiat Federal Reserve Currency. and last but not least, by ending the illegal presence of the neither Federal , which there are no reserves, because they print currency out of thin air then bill the taxpayer for it, to END THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK !!!

  20. overbid says:

    More power to them. Social movements like this start out small but grow. This one will too.

    1. underbid says:

      Worked out great for the Soviet Union, didn’t it “overbid”? Socialism is equal misery for all. A country of people who simply exist, with no motivation or ambition as any “reward” for work or risk taken is taken away from you. There was a reason why all but the electorate in the former USSR had anything of a comfortable living. Bread lines and lines for toilet paper really happened. Bad industry with terrible quality production… yeah, we can’t wait for this to grow.

  21. reggie liburd says:

    hey rikki. aryian power is dead. the only true aryians are blond and blue eyed. fact.

  22. Just_dino says:

    To the people who support the movement: The objective is dialog now. No good comes from alienating people for what they believe. Partisan politics is getting us nowhere. Engage the opposition and create dialog.OWS is not a political movement. The number one objective is to separate Washington from Wall Street. The system is broken and we cannot have a viable political process until we separate the politicians from the corporate entities who are funneling money back and forth. Let’s fix the system then we can have dialog and discussion on ideology. Until we fix the broken system neither side is representing you even though you think they are. All they are concerned with is consolidating wealth and power and keeping it amongst themselves. It’s a vicious cycle. Large Wall Street entities donate huge sums of money to both parties to hedge their bets (just like they did with the debt crises) and the money is funneled back to them in the form of tax breaks and bail outs. It a no lose situation for the bankers on Wall Street. Quit being pawns for a political party, come together and fix the system so we can save our middle class.

    1. Amtracmarine says:

      It’s hard not to agree with everything you posted . The only thing that puts me off is the way OWS is going about things. That and the fact that this whole thing was concocted by a Canadian national that seems to be againist just about everything. Plus the confrontations with the NYPD could have been avoided and if you are as honest as you seem to be you know that’s true.

      1. Just_dino says:

        I am not naive enough to think that all protesters are innocent and I would never say that some bad apples have not done things to detract from the validity of the message. You are going to have that in any group. But the NYPD has had a few bad apples as well. Don’t get me wrong, I have great respect for the police. I could care less who kicked off the movement. Some could argue that the Arabs kicked it off with their Spring protest. Doesn’t matter to me. I am just glad we we have started to discuss what’s really important now instead of this candidate is this religion, this president was not born here, and the smoke and mirrors that the current administration is currently putting before us. We have big problems and it’s up to us to fix it. We cannot count on the same old same old out of Washington. The national debt is soon to exceed our GDP for the first time ever.That means we are further in debt than what we make and that is bad news. We don’t have to let any left wing, right wing, socialist, anarchist or what have you define us. Me and you are the 99% and we need to speak up if we don’t want to be defined by these extreme factions. I am certainly no left nor right wingnut. I am a regular middle of the road guy that loves his country and wants to see us do what we have to to save it by any means necessary. And thank you for your candor.

        1. Dan says:

          The President was born in the Usa. Check your facts boss.

    2. edrews says:


      Your claims of massing amounts of Wall Street going towards congress doesn’t hold up when you look at the available information. Source: — provided so you can check the information provided.

      Combined total raised for the House and Senate leadership is $69.3 million for the 2012 election cycle, $3.93 million was provided by Securities and Investment interests. Securities and Investments interests represent just 5% of the total contributions.

      Only three individuals in that leadership group received over 5% of their contributions from Securities and Investment interests, and those people received 6% (Sen Maj Whip), 7% (House Maj Leader) and 9% (House Min leader).

      Your claim of ‘Large Wall Street entities donate huge sums of money to both parties’ does not appear to be supportable based on the information available. I think OWS is protesting against the wrong group, in the wrong city. OWS’ better course of action would be getting to the voting booth on election day.

    3. Buck Ofama says:

      Blah, blah, blah, shut the fvck up.

  23. SNAPPERHEAD says:


    1. dee says:

      Yea, and why are all yahoo sources liberal???

      1. DEE says:

        OH they have the ny post and ch. 5.. NEVER MIND.. 🙂

    2. Rikki says:

      Hey Snapper where is your Jack Boots…we need aryian power to show them whos the boss..

      1. Freddie Emory says:

        Last I checked the OWS has the support of the Nazi Party, the Communist Party, the Socialist Party and David Duke of the KKK.
        Seems the “Jack Boots” have already set up a tent in Zucatti Park.

      2. Buck Ofama says:

        Read history, you ignorant fvck face. Nazi socialism was based on redistribution.

        Also read about Robesepierre and the French Revolution… fvck face.

  24. christian girl says:

    it was powerful when the youth in new york city in the God Belongs in My City walk prayed over the Occupy Wall Street protesters at Zucatti Park.

    1. Buck Ofama says:

      Ooooooooooooooooooo, “it was powerful”……… swoon. Are you stuck to your seat now, you stupid cvnt?

  25. The Realist says:

    “OWS has reportedly raised nearly $454,000 and has spent more than $50,000 so far….”

    Any “charity” that spends only 11% of its intake on program activities is generally considered a FRAUD. Why is O.W.S. hoarding most of the money? Are the top executives already giving themselves raises?

    1. rikki says:

      Heil Hit…ler comrade no its safe in a non profit credit union…no one is getting paid the money is being used for expenses cleaning up they have to pay for trash pick up……and the police wont let them put in pora potties…….

    2. Michael H. says:

      You do realize that they won’t spend every dime as it comes in, right? They have to make this money last as there’s no guarantee it will continue to pour in like it has been. They’re not supporting politicians with their money like the Tea Party does. They’re using it to survive the elements, feed themselves, buy medical supplies, etc. Nobody is getting paid, except, I’m sure, you.

      1. The Realist says:

        “They’re using it to survive the elements, feed themselves, buy medical supplies, etc.” Obviously they aren’t buying as much as is actually needed, given that they’re spending only 11% of their intake ($50K out of $454K).

        Let’s face it… O.W.S. is a BUSINESS, and the amount not being spent represents PURE PROFIT. I’m still waiting to see their AUDITED financial statements.

        1. Michael H. says:

          $50K buys a LOT of food and supplies. Also remember that a lot of food is donated from around the country, even if it is people ordering them stacks of pizzas. Show me proof that specific OWS people are profiting from this and I’ll give you half a thought. Otherwise you’re nothing but a establishment shill. Everything you’ve posted here has been nothing but proof of that thus far.

          1. Amtracmarine says:

            Michael that’s like saying that you work for Adbusters. You know the Canadian anti-everything magizine that’s really behind OWS.

          2. The Realist says:

            I’m not an “establishment shill” – just an ANNOYED TAXPAYER. I’m tired of subsidizing lazy out-of-towners who hate anybody who even has a job and pays taxes.

            Oh, and by the way… O.W.S.’s income consists of a lot more than just the $454K in cash donations. The group is using – RENT FREE – two storefronts in a building owned by the United Federation of Teachers at 52 Broadway. According to the tax code, the donated rent (at market rate) and utilities clearly count as INCOME that’s supposed to be reported. Does it appear in O.W.S.’s books as income?

            Then again, is O.W.S. actually keeping books? If not, it could lose its 501(c)(3) status and all those donors could end up paying more income tax.

            I’m still waiting for the audit.

            1. Michael H. says:

              It doesn’t HAVE a 501c3 status. It would need actual leaders to do that, which the group does not have. That’s straight from the WSJ if you don’t believe me.

              Many of those lazy “out-of-towners” are taxpaying New Yorkers that have jobs but are fed up with watching this country spiral down the drain because of corruption in the financial sector spilling over into our politics. I’m one of those New Yorkers. Once again, why do you think their numbers swell exponentially every weekend? The employed join the core group when we can.

              1. The Realist says:

                According to this link (, Occupy Wall Street is a “fiscal project” – i.e. a wholly-owned CORPORATE subsidiary – of the Alliance for Global Justice, so it DOES have 501(c)(3) status.

  26. Jeff Davis says:

    These people need their colored asses horsewhipped.

    1. rikki says:

      Heil Hit…ler Jeff not many coloreds there coloreds are too stupid to protest… there is no OWS in camden, gary IN, watts, or in any colored areas….so you cant put on your jack boots and beat them to a pulp for beng upity…

      1. Amtracmarine says:

        Who rikki, not only are you a stupid little drama queen,your a stupid little racist drama queen.

        1. Rikki says:

          I know you HATE America so why do you stay here? Go back to your old country.

          1. Amtracmarine says:

            Rikki,rihhi,That’s very right wing of you ,telling people that if they don’t agree with you that they should leave the country.You’re the one that sounds like a Nazi. And you’re a little racist drama queen Nazi at that.

    2. nellpost says:

      “these people” ??????

      1. Buck Ofama says:

        Correction: “these assh0les.”

        But if the speaker were addressing the ethiopians, it would correctly be expressed thus:


  27. rikki says:

    Heil…Hit…ler….welcome Jack boot friends we are kicking outOWS by talking away generators next we let them freeze to death…then we deny them medical treatments…

    Don’t you love it…Wear your brown shirts proudly…

    Stifle any dissent…with excessive force…

    1. dee says:

      Hey, they can just leave.. They still have feet.

      1. Rikki says:

        But we need your white power attiude to get it done.

    2. Amtracmarine says:

      Are you really that foolish ?? The generators wouldn’t help keep them warm unless 1) they sat on them ,2) they ran extension cords all over the place and everyone had a space heater. They were to generate power for the media center and kitchen. Stop being such a drama queen.

      1. Rikki says:

        Drama Quuen???

        I am impressed with the Nazi white power people here…

        .Its amazing how many here HATE America and what it stands for.

        1. Rikki says:


    3. surewewill says:

      rikki, If you study your history more carefully, brown shirts did a lot more than the authorities are doing to the OWS protestors. In the first place, they would have been dispersed, many with cracked skulls or injured in some fashion. They would not have been given medical attention either.

      The brown shirts were replaced by the SS Corps which eventually ran the Hitler death camps.

      Your description of the authorities as such is a real stretch.

      As to freezing to death, they are not chained to their tents, they are free to leave whenever they wish. Probably quite a few have already done that and will return when the sun shines this week for the next several days, if you can trust the forecasts.

      1. rilkk says:

        Taking generators just before a snowstorm…is a nasty way of jack booting them

        But it will get worse…jack boots don’t like dialogue.

        1. Amtracmarine says:

          The generators were there to power the media center, the kitchen area and a charging station for laptops and cell phones. Without wires running all over the place these things would have been usless for heat unless of course you were sitting on one of them. Bless your little Nazi heart you do bring the drama

        2. Buck Ofama says:

          P1SS, WHINE, MOAN.

  28. MOTHER NATURE says:

    LET THEM FREEZE! F-THEM, At least i am a warm and dry 1%..

  29. The Realist says:

    How were “safety inspections” allowed? The protesters are mostly from OUT OF TOWN, which gives them (1) absolute priority in use of public spaces and (2) full exemption from all laws.

    1. Linda says:

      This park is privately owned not public, can’t believe the owner is so chicken that he is still allowing this crap and that he is not made to foot the bills for extra police and firemen.

      1. Rikki says:

        Hi Linda White power….cant let people demand answers…and MLK was a low life agitator…can i rub your skinhead?

      2. The Realist says:

        The private owner built the park as a PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION in exchange for a zoning bonus elsewhere. By law, Brookfield must keep the park open to the general public – that’s EVERYBODY, not just this bunch of professional protesters.

  30. Amtracmarine says:

    In mid-2011, the Canadian-based group Adbusters Media Foundation, best known for its advertisement-free anti-consumerist magazine Adbusters, proposed a peaceful occupation of Wall Street to protest corporate influence on democracy, address a growing disparity in wealth, and the absence of legal repercussions behind the recent global financial crisis. [12] According to Adbusters’ senior editor Micah White, Adbusters suggested the idea on their email list in mid-July and “it was spontaneously taken up by all the people of the world.”[

    1. Richard Bann says:

      yeah and then they tried to take credit for all this! I could tell you that I funded the first trip o the moon too and you would probably believe it. It doesn’t matter what they claim or who started or who inspired all of this. What matters is the truths that this movement and these protesters are revealing. If all this frightens you…………….GOOD!!!

  31. LKBrooklyn says:

    The people occupying Zucotti Park are committed to social change, and are willing to undergo severe conditions to create a public dialogue about greed, unequal income distribution and injustice. Is that a problem for anyone here? Would you have more respect for them if they were mall shopping or club hopping or home watching TV? Why is what they’re doing so upsetting to you? How have they specifically made your life worse?

    1. Pete says:

      They are costing the city 100,000 a DAY, yet pay no taxes themselves. Most never have. As a taxpayer and part of the 99%, I wish they would stop representing me.

      1. Just_dino says:

        Then start representing yourself. Are you happy with what has gone on with Washington and Wall Street? Were you happy too see your tax dollars go to bail out the banks while they are foreclosing on millions of homes.Golden parachutes for the banking execs? Are you happy that you are paying a bigger percentage of your income in taxes than your friendly neighborhood millionaire? You’re right, you are part of the 99% so make your voice heard.

        1. Pete says:


          Let’s use my NYC property taxes as an example, … half of my NYC property tax goes to FREELOADERS on welfare and medicaid. After that, most goes to SCHOOLS, yet I have no children. The small remainder then goes to services I receive like garbage collection and street snow removal etc, . Sure after that some DOES line the piockets due to curruption but when you do the math, it’s not enough to make me rich or poor. There will be curruption in ANY government whieither it be Capitalist or Socialist. These OWS pay NO taxes, so what are they complaining about? They got college loans just like banks got loans. Yet the OWS does not want to pay them back like the banks have done. Would they rahter of seen the US economy collaspse back in 2009? I could see them complaining IF the banks did NOT pay the loans back. Bottom line, MUCH more of my tax dollars goes to FREELOADERS than gov’t corruption. So if I was to protest, I’d protest people like you.

          1. Just_dino says:

            Pete, I totally feel you on paying taxes for services you don’t receive or need. I feel the same on a lot of the taxes I have to pay. I do feel it important to help pay for schools as I feel that an educated society benefits us all in the end. I can’t stand freeloaders either. There are problems with our tax system now and both sides see that. I do believe we are going to see changes to our tax code in the near future (one can only hope). My point is why should we be paying a bigger percentage in taxes than those who make millions…

            And you really don’t know me. I am self employed and work 80 hours a week some weeks. But if you did feel the need to protest me you would be within your rights and I would support you in having your say.

            1. dian says:

              If we pay for schools we shouldnt have to pay for all their immoral leftest socialist ideals. Let them get the money from communist china.

      2. rurbanite says:

        the protesters might be costing the city 100,000 a day but the 1% and the bankers are costing us billions. it’s a no brainer to know which side i’m on

      3. Michael H. says:

        Income taxes are not the only taxes. They pay state and local sales tax when they purchase those electronics you and you ilk whine about. Those sleeping bags, tarps and tents? Somebody paid sales taxes on them when they were purchased. The gasoline that was taken from them, along with the generators, taxed.

      4. Lucy says:

        There’s a stretch to say that none of the protesters pay taxes. How would you know that? So many posters just hurling all kinds of wild, meritless accusations about the OWS movement. You like corruption, fraud and mismanagement better? These people are trying to make changes that need to happen. The ballot box approach has not worked so they are exercising their Constitutional right to protest. They aren’t hurting anyone. The media and the police are creating reasons discredit these people who are working for everyone, including you.

    2. Amtracmarine says:

      BS,BS. They aren’t creating anything. They either refuse to talk to anyone that questions their motives or are told to engage in childish answer questions with questions crap. They will talk at you but not to you. I’d have more respect for them if the whole OWS thing wasn’t conceived by a disgrunteld Canadian national.Don’t get me wrong, I believe in some of what tey have to say and to an extent I think most people do, but .were is the solution?? Taking over a park ,beating drums and causeing confrontations with rhe NYPD ain’t it.

    3. jon says:

      mainly because they claim to be representing me because i am one of the 99%. The reality is they are costing me because i pay taxes. also because they are breaking the law!!! since when is it ok to break the law just because you have a certain political agenda? Now its ok to live in a park? give us all a break and go home!

      1. Michael H. says:

        What specific laws have they broken? They’re exercising their first amendment rights to peacefully assemble

        1. surewewill says:

          ‘the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances'” . Has that been done?

          How about take it to DC and tell the politicians there what they should do and if they don’t, start convincing others to vote them out and vote new ones in who will. There’s a big election coming up in 2012 and many politicians who are running are the same ones who “bailed” out the greedy banks and Wall Street crowd.

          And once presented, go home or disperse, get on the phones, write and keep the pressure up without disrupting so many people’s lives who are in many cases, just trying to survive.

          My opinion only. Opinions are like noses, everybody has one.

          1. Michael H. says:

            DC has ignored the people for decades. The only way to bring the situation to the forefront is to make headlines, just as OWS are doing. They’ve started a dialog across the country that should have started 30 years ago.

        2. Michael I. says:

          Since when does peaceful assembly and free speech mean take over (occupy) public property so no one else can use it, stay indefinitely hurting local businesses and disturbing the peace of people who live there, and essentially “blackmailing” the population with “we aren’t giving back public land until we get what we want”?
          We heard them. They should focus on the next election, get organized.
          If they don’t go home, they become the “neighbor who wouldn’t leave”. They become people trying to Force their opinion on everyone else,. America is all about freedom to be heard, it is nothing about a small group trying to hold everyone hostage until they get their way. The longer they continue this, the larger the swell against them will grow. Whether you agree with the TEA Party folks or not, OWS could take a valuable lesson from them.

      2. Lucy says:

        Your real issue is that you don’t want to pay tax. You find yourself in a position where you are doing well and are thinking only of your own interests . It’s all for you. Why aren’t you protesting the trillion spent on war or the 13.5 trillion dollar wall street bailout? Aren’t your tax dollars going to pay for these also? The amount spent on security for this movement is chump change compared what is shelled out for pork projects, wars, wall street bailouts.

    4. rurbanite says:

      Bike-powered generators. Great. I’m going to go down there and contribute some pedal power. I’m 64 years old but it’s never too late to contribute to the betterment of our society, to make it more equitable and energy-conserving.

    5. The Realist says:

      No, the “protesters” are committed to FREELOADING. They refuse to work. They refuse to even look for work. They want to get everything for free. They look down their noses at the very people who are subsidizing them.

      Meanwhile, O.W.S.’s senior executives are probably paying themselves top dollar.

      1. Michael H. says:

        There’s no such thing as a “senior executive” at OWS. Everything is done by committee or general assembly. Most of them have been looking for work for months if not years, just like millions of other Americans. The rest of us have jobs, some under employed, some doing quite well but realize the system is screwing over their fellow citizens. I have a decently paying job. I pay my taxes, yet I still support OWS and their message.

        1. The Realist says:

          There’s no such thing as a “senior executive” at OWS.”

          Yes there is. They’re the people who are running the show, collecting all the money, and distributing only 11% of it while keeping the rest for themselves as PROFIT.

          1. Michael H. says:

            Point them out. Name names. Please. Tell the whole world exactly who the “head” of OWS is. I await your dodging the question.

          2. Amtracmarine says:

            The Adbusters Media Foundation is a Canadian-based not-for-profit, anti-consumerist, pro-environment[1] organization founded in 1989 by Kalle Lasn and Bill Schmalz in Vancouver, British Columbia. The foundation describes itself as “a global network of artists, activists, writers, pranksters, students, educators and entrepreneurs who want to advance the new social activist movement of the information age.”[2]

            Characterized by some as anti-capitalist or opposed to capitalism[3], it publishes the reader-supported, advertising-free Adbusters, an activist magazine with an international circulation of 120,000[4] devoted to challenging consumerism. Past and present contributors to the magazine include Christopher Hedges, Matt Taibbi, Bill McKibben, Jim Munroe, Douglas Rushkoff, Jonathan Barnbrook, David Graeber, Simon Critchley, Slavoj Zizek, Michael Hardt and others.

            Adbusters has launched numerous international campaigns, including Buy Nothing Day, TV Turnoff Week and Occupy Wall Street

  32. Stan Chaz says:

    You can’t make this stuff up! The very same people who have inflicted the most “hazards” to the Occupy Wall Street participants….swooped in early yesterday morning with their white shirts and badges, and carted away the OWS generators; ostensibly because they were deemed ” a fire hazard”. This, after 45 days of problem-free use, and just before an impending snowstorm! Of course, they can’t be blamed. They were only following orders…. of Mayor Show-Me-The-Permit 0001%, who sleeps ever so comfortably in his overheated mansion, and makes pompous speeches about the freedoms that we all enjoy, on the 125th anniversary of the Statue of Liberty’s dedication. All this just a few short miles from Zuccotti Park. This is not mere double speak….it’s super triple speak, on speed AND acid! No matter how pretty you try to make the crap sound…it’s still crap. And more and more people are realizing it. Finally. Lady Liberty must be smiling. I know I am!

  33. Amtracmarine says:

    But the protesters are coming up with a new solution – a stationary bike and generator connected to a battery. All they need is to get someone to stay on the bikes. That should be fun. They can’t stop the drumming,drug use,get everyone to help with the clean up but they’re gonna get enough people to peddle bikes for power.

  34. Liberals are Evil says:

    I hope they freeze their asses off and catch pneumonia for being such assholes!

  35. Dr. Seuss says:

    I hope the snow buries those smelly fools until the spring thaw.

  36. Rick says:

    No electricity??? How are they going to recharge thier lap tops??? How are they going to see if thier parents’ stock portfolios are making money?

  37. sameolsameol says:

    I’m surprised someone hasn’t gotten hurt earlier with the gasoline and fire hazards that abound in the area. The living arrangements are I’m sure not so sanitary. It is their choice to do this, but still trying to figure out what it is accomplishing? The people I see out there I believe are mental anyway.

    1. Just_dino says:

      Well they have managed to completely change the dialog and discussion in this country as well as getting the banks to back off of charging ridiculous fees for use of debit cards… I would say they have accomplished quite a bit. No matter what, this is too big to be quashed now.

      The message is that our whole political process is systematically broken. Both parties are owned by big money and special interest on Wall Street. Washington and Wall Street are funneling money and wealth back and forth We have to separate Washington from Wall Street if we are ever to have a viable political process. We can argue ideology after we fix the broken system.

      1. Yoma Ma says:

        They have made the banks back off the fees? Wow you sound like one of these idiots downtown. Yes the bankers are evil for all the money they make and the debacle, but were they complaining during the 90s and earlier this decade when everyone was living like fat cats?
        I am for campaign reform and getting rid of all lobbyist $ without question, but if you think thats gonna happen you are kidding yourself, even the Messiah Obama who said he would not do it, is the biggest scammer of em all.
        These folks are simply out for handouts, pay my mortgage, pay my student loan, raise my salary…… I never looked for handouts, i have busted my butt to make what I earn and I proudly pay over 40% in Fed, City and State taxes, and with my health care- 50%- I FELL ZERO GUILT.
        As for student loans- like anything else, if I cannot afford to go to a school I dont apply and put myself in debt to do it. If I can only afford a honda I am not going to take a loan out for a Maybach- and then ask the government o pay for it.
        Also why is it wall street only? What about the Oil companies, athletes, movie, stars, Ad execs, and the such? Kind of says it all- and now Muslim Groups are joining them WHICH REALLY SPEAKS VOLUMES.

        1. Just_dino says:

          I am sorry that you are so angry. I have to pay my own way as well. We can agree to disagree on the protesters. I am not happy with everything Obama has done either. If you can see that the protesters are not happy with Obama bailing out the banks then you are on the right track. This is not a partisan movement, although some will try to claim it as their own. If we can agree that the whole political process needs to be reformed than we can find common ground. I would be happy to discuss this or anything else with you anytime.

          Regards, dino.

          1. jh says:

            Are you saying this isnt a socialist movement? wake up!

            1. Just_dino says:

              It’s a social movement. I am certainly not a socialist. I own a small business and believe in capitalism. We just need a level playing field for that to happen once again. The movement is what you the 99% make of it. We are fighting an uphill battle with the current political system and unfair tax system.

              No one is advocating socialism except the few crackpots who draw the most media attention. There is a huge gulf between the 1% and the 99% and the divide is growing deeper and deeper. The middle class is disappearing. My business does better with a robust middle class and I don’t plan to sit idly by and watch it disappear while the wealthiest 1% and politicians in Washington grow ever more wealthy and powerful.

              1. The Realist says:

                If you own a business (of ANY size) and believe in capitalism, then the professional protesters see you as the 1% and hate you for it. Period.

        2. Rick says:

          Yoma Ma says it all. Read what Yoma Ma wrote and get an education

          1. Just_dino says:

            I’ve got one… As well as an ability to think critically and for myself. How about you Rick? Got any thoughts of your own or do you let Yo Mama do all your thinking for you. My offer to discuss stands for you as well.

      2. Amtracmarine says:

        “getting the banks to back off of charging ridiculous fees for use of debit cards”
        Suck my a+s they did. This was a hot topic long before OWS.

        1. Just_dino says:

          Not going to respond to profanity and ignorance. Are you aware that the movement has been protesting for weeks now at the banks.

          One question: One of the replies here mentioned that they are paying 40% in taxes and more than 50% of their income after they pay for their healthcare… While many millionaires are paying less than 15% of their income in taxes… If you are OK with that then just keep parroting the babble of whichever party you think is representing you. I don’t know what it takes for people to see that we are pawns for both sides and neither seem concerned with what benefits most Americans in the middle class. All they are concerned with is being reelected, retaining power and funneling money and wealth back and forth with the richest of the rich. The cat is out of the bag on that and the rest of the country is having this conversation whether you like it or not. I hear people saying you cannot change the system but there is a hell of a lot of people out in the cold trying to speak up and do just that. And some want to curse them for exercising the right to assemble and do just that.

          1. logic_man says:

            The reason some people who make millions pay less of a percentage of their income in taxes is because the ways in which they make those millions is riskier than the ways in which most people make their income. If you make your income off of capital gains, you are first putting your money at risk and then reaping the benefits when you sell later. In case you haven’t noticed, the equity markets are volatile and no one is guaranteed a capital gain when they go to sell their shares. Plus, society needs people with capital to postpone consumption in favor of investment and having low capital gains taxes promotes that behavior. Notwithstanding all of this, if you look at actual tax rates paid, the percentage paid slopes up with income, so the facts are not in your favor, with certain exceptions, but not on average. And if you do a net benefit calculation, you will find that the 1% pay far more in absolute tax dollars than they get back in benefits for being members of society. In actual terms of “fairness”, each citizen should get back an equal amount of benefits from being a paying member of society as they pay, minus whatever administrative costs come from actually operating the government. If you pay $2 million in taxes, you should get back $2 million in government-provided benefits. That, in accordance with the actual definition of “fair”, would be “fair”. The OWS definition of “fair” seems to be “let someone with more money than me pay enough in taxes so that I can consume more than my labor allows me to”. That’s not “fair” that’s basically asking the government to steal on your behalf.

            Let the country have as many “conversations” as it wants, but they should be based on facts, not self-serving fictions.

            1. Just_dino says:

              You are not schooling me on risk brother. I happen to work one of the riskiest jobs on the planet and it’s not money that I risk, it’s life and limb. So why should you pay less of a percentage of your income in taxes when you are only risking money and I am risking life and limb?

              1. logic_man says:

                Presumably, you are paid for the risk you take for your job (and if you aren’t, you should learn to negotiate better). Riskier jobs always pay more, all things being equal. A guy with a high school diploma who takes a risky job makes more than the guy with the same level of education who takes a job in a corporate office. So why should it be any different for someone risking capital? Besides that, if you are killed on the job, your family will get some kind of death benefit from life insurance and a survivor’s benefit from Social Security. If someone loses their capital in the market, they get nothing except a tax loss they can use against future capital gains. Again, society needs risk-takers and one way you encourage risk-taking is by treating some income as different from others, based on the level of risk required to earn that income.

                There is simply no way for you to win this debate. Your position is incoherent and short-sighted. You should just admit it and thank me for helping you to better understand why it is that some millionaires pay a lower percentage of their income in income tax than you do.

                1. Just_dino says:

                  That’s laughable.

                  I am self employed and get no death benefit. Yes I do get hazard pay and bill around the same as an attorney. The problem is my market has dwindled with the middle class, my market has become more competitive making me has to negotiate at a lower price or lose market share. Basically it boils down to me working harder for less money. About a third less than what I made pre 2008. No matter how you slice it something is wrong when the top 1% has seen an increase of 275% in wealth, middle class has increased by 40% and the poor by 18% over the past what? 30 years. That is proof positive that the middle class is disappearing and thank God people are waking up to that fact. I’m sure you can come up with all kinds of facts and figure to make people believe what you say but figures don’t lie. Sell to someone else brother. And I do thank you for making your arrogance so blatant! You are living proof to my point.and guess what, Middle America is waking up and coming after YOU!

                2. logic_man says:

                  If you’re self-employed then you shouldn’t get a death benefit because you don’t pay into Social Security, as I understand it. If you do pay into Social Security and you don’t get a death benefit, take it up with the Social Security Administration. If you have a risky job and you don’t have life insurance, that’s your own fault. Also, if you are self-employed and you can’t negotiate better pay or fees from your customers, maybe you should go take a “Negotiations 101” class at the local community college.

                  As for the increase in income amongst the different income brackets, why is that even an issue? If there were increases across all brackets, which there were, then everyone got something. If someone got less, that gives them an incentive to better their skills in order to get more in the future. That’s how life works. One of the main reasons the upper income brackets increased more is that their skills are more competitive and desired in the global marketplace, so they can sell to many more customers than ever before, whereas the skills that are more predominant in the lower income brackets tend to be more localized and therefore only grow at the same pace as the US economy grows, rather than being able to take advantage of the growth abroad. Again, if you want to partake of the growth in emerging markets, you have every incentive to do so. If you’d rather complain that others are doing so and demand a piece of the action without doing the work, you have the right to do so, but don’t expect me not to laugh at the pathetic rationalizations you utilize to justify it to yourself. They may be persuasive to young kids with untutored and immature minds, but I find them unconvincing.

      3. jon says:

        so if the problem is politicians why are they protesting the people who pay the taxes?

        1. Just_dino says:

          Why go after Wall Street? Because that’s where the money is and the root of the problem. The bought and paid for politicians in Washington are just employees of the broken system. There are plans in the works to go to Washington with concrete demands next year. This movement is in it’s infancy. Give it time.

          The Civil Rights movement did not start out in Washington, it started in the streets in the locations where the oppression was happening. It was taken to to the capitol with a mass march on Washington after gaining cohesion in the streets.

  38. tulj says:

    Power, literaly, to the People!

    1. tuli says:

      They hardly represent the “People”….just themselves.

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