NYPD, Feds Testing Gun-Scanning Technology, But Civil Liberties Groups Up In Arms

Terahertz Imaging Detection Out To Detect Illegal Concealed Weapons

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — The NYPD is stepping up their war against illegal guns, with a new tool that could detect weapons on someone as they walk down the street.

But is it violating your right to privacy?

Police, along with the U.S. Department of Defense, are researching new technology in a scanner placed on police vehicles that can detect concealed weapons.

“You could use it at a specific event. You could use it at a shooting-prone location,” NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told CBS 2’s Hazel Sanchez on Tuesday.

It’s called Terahertz Imaging Detection. It measures the energy radiating from a body up to 16 feet away, and can detect anything blocking it, like a gun.

And the idea is causing quite the uproar on both sides of the privacy issue.

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“I think it’s good. People will be safer and it will be a safer environment,” Jessica Ramos said.

“If it’s going to make us safer as citizens I’m okay with that,” said Lori Sampson of Lake Ronkonkoma.

“I think it’s all about invading people’s lives more and more and more,” Antonio Gabriel said.

“It’s definitely a privacy issue, but it’s for our safety. So it’s just one of those things, a double-edged sword,” added Clarence Moore of Union, N.J.

Police Commissioner Kelly said the scanner would only be used in reasonably suspicious circumstances and could cut down on the number of stop-and-frisks on the street.

But the New York Civil Liberties Union is raising a red flag.

“It’s worrisome. It implicates privacy, the right to walk down the street without being subjected to a virtual pat-down by the Police Department when you’re doing nothing wrong,” the NYCLU’s Donna Lieberman said.

“We have involved our attorneys as we go forward with this issue. We think it’s a very positive development,” Kelly said.

People on the street have differing opinions on the price they’d be willing to pay for safety.

“There are a lot of cameras already here, so as people walk they’re being filmed. And most of the time they don’t know it,” said Jennifer Bailly of Jersey City.

“If they search you, you’re not giving consent, so they can do what they want, meaning they can use that as an excuse to search you for other means. I don’t think that’s constitutional at all,” Devan Thomas said.

“I don’t agree with it. I have the belief that if you forgoe some of your freedom then it’s not freedom at all,” added Erwin Morales of Hoboken.

“I think it’s good. I think if someone has something to hide and they’re going to worry about it, who cares?” Robert McDougall added.

The Department of Defense is also researching the Terahertz technology to detect suicide bombers wearing explosives.

Do you think this is an invasion of privacy? Or are you in favor of relinquishing some freedoms to keep the streets safe? Please offer your thoughts in the comments section below. …

  • Brian

    @ Phil: Zeig Heil!

  • Al Izzy

    Hey Phil, looks like you are nothing more then anti-constitution… Why don’t you violate another one of your constitution and don’t speak “freely”. Coward.

  • Juan Pablo

    WOW….are you Canadian?

  • Bucko

    Phil — assuming you’re serious and not putting up deliberate parody, then there should be a “special little island” for people like you to live, where you can have the minions of ruling-class bureaucrats constantly sniffing you and groping you and sticking gloved hands up your rear exit “for your own safety” — so you can then feel warm and secure.

    Just don’t expect the rest of us — those with a shred of spirit and dignity — to go along for the ride.

    “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” — Benjamin Franklin

    • effyu

      This is such an island. Its called Manhattan.

  • Mark D.

    @ Phil – You are a disgusting excuse of an American citizen! Just because YOU say that the SCOTUS says it’s “..perfectly legal and appropriate…” DOES NOT make it so! So, this instantly passes the muster because you liken it to a “…canine free-air search…”, huh? Don’t ever dare tell me where I can or cannot go just because I disagree with the LOCAL ordinances! ANY state/local law is only legal IF it is Constitutional – which this is NOT. I wish no ill will for any one man, but you are nominating yourself as being the first – Congratulations Phil!
    Domari Nolo †

  • LennyC

    This is worse than a TSA scan. At least with TSA you know its being done.

    • Dude

      Incidentally, Homeland Security already has trucks/vans that have similar, but larger scanners on board. They can scan the contents of an entire vehicle without your even knowing it. Think it sounds crazy? Look it up.

    • Aaron

      Not only do you know it’s being done with the TSA, but you do so consensually. If you don’t want it done you can opt out and do a manual pat down, and if you opt out of that you can choose not to fly. Can we choose not to walk down the street?

  • Jim Macklin

    “You could use it at a specific event. You could use it at a shooting-prone location,” NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly told CBS 2′s Hazel Sanchez on Tuesday.”
    Even in NYC, there are many people with a license to carry. Shooting prone prone location sounds like racial profiling.
    The white guy in a Tux won’t be stopped, the U.N. Diplomat won’t be stopped, just the tacky dressed black guy. Looks like fun and a waste of time to satisfy Mayor Bloomberg’s hate and fear of guns.
    They need it in Chicago, too! Maybe soon the politicians will see that crime is down and except for Illinois, it is legal in every state to carry a gun and/or a knife. A license isn’t even required in many states, such as Vermont which has the lowest crime rate.

    • Dude

      In New Hampshire, you just stop in the local police station, fill out a form, come back in a couple of days with $10. They tear off a carbon copy piece of paper that is your permit to carry. Had a nice chat with our local cops while I was in there. Unless you’re a felon, that’s all there is to it.

      Oh, but it’s so violent up here! You can’t go anywhere without a shootout occurring. It’s like an episode of Bonanza every time you go to buy groceries.

  • bob

    you are the dumbasses that choose to live there………..

    • Ben Enjerry

      That’s a great response.

  • Bukkiah Golden

    Because the stop and frisk program was an abysmal failure both of stopping crime and civil rights NYC has figured it just haven’t violated enough civil rights to make its people “safe”.

    Anyone that gives up freedom for security will have, and deserves neither.
    Anyone that would give up someone else’s freedom should have their own taken from them.

  • libertarian one

    Another example of three steps forward, two steps back. Pretty soon we will all find ourselves living in a third world dictatorship with no freedoms and we will wonder how this happened. It happened by “them” moving three steps forward and two steps back

  • Jon

    Big Bro—–Next, Gulags!!!!!

    • Baldy Kirby from Atlanta


      Don’t worry about “Big Bro”:

      It’s BIG SIS you have to worry about!

      Janet will wack yur pee-pee!

    • Michael Sievers

      They are called FEMA camps. And I will not go quietly.

  • jared

    How the heck is it a war against illegal guns? What’s next – illegal speech? There goes the Bill of Rights.

    • Notme

      Umm.. You should really google “Free speech zones”.. Your way out of date with the “whats next -” statement..

  • Patriot

    Soo. anyone with a conceal carry are going to be hastled constantly?

    • Joe Doakes

      Yup. They want your gun. In NYC they shoot their own to get it. Act accordingly, and carefully.

    • Al Izzy

      It would be nice to see a million man march carrying side arms down the streets of NYC. The cops would coward…. Someone from NYC,,,, please get a hold of NRA or GOA and file lawsuit against the city illegal gun ban (since the Supremem Court ruling you have a right to have a firearm in your home)…

  • Alan Whitney

    Clearly, this violates the 4th Amendment. There is something called the “Plain sight doctrine.”

    “Seeing” something with a device that penetrates clothing is clearly beyond the pale.

    Any politician or police officer who would even CONSIDER this needs to be sacked.

    • Heartland Patriot

      I agree, this is a MASSIVE lawsuit waiting to happen…not in NYC, of course, since King Bloomberg brooks no argument from his subjects…but as soon as they take this stuff elsewhere, litigation time!

    • Mark D.

      How DARE you question their authority. Don’t worry, DHS will be at your home for a visit soon. ;)

  • Bucko

    I think our so-called “leaders” are what’s illegal, as they are constantly shredding the US Constitution and US Bill of Rights in their mad dash to set up an Orwellian police state complete with check points to keep “the rabble” in line like good little dispirited dehumanized sheep.

    • Jukey

      If you don’t like this, vote for the GOP candidate who is against this type of thing.

      You know who it is.

      • Mr.Dude

        Be careful… GOP are no more trustworthy in my humble opinion. Do your homework before voting for _anyone_. It’s really dangerous to vote for any candidate on the basis that he’s “not that guy.”

      • GunnerLee

        Yeah…..GO RON PAUL!!!!

  • Edddie

    Nothing is free in America! Especially, US Citizens! Eddie Thomas

  • TC

    This is ridiculous. This is a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment. At what point did we surrender our CITIZEN rights against illegal search and seizure ? This is a violation of our civil liberties, if they start mucking around with this. . .

  • nygrump

    nypd considers a pocket knife a concealed weapon. This is not reasonable or american. The nazis were imported here by Dulles et al after WW2 and this is where we are. Send kelly and Boozberg to North Korea where they’d fit in.

    • Heartland Patriot

      It’s not Nazis you have to worry about…its socialists of another sort…but remember, SOME are more equal than others…especially mighty, wise leaders like Dear Leader Bloomberg.

    • Steve

      NYPD, why do you insist on ripping apart the Constitution?? You people have way TOO MUCH power for a CIVILIAN police dept. Your NOT a military organization!! You are to serve and PROTECT the PEOPLE. Although it’s not surprising considering NY voted consistantly against the Declaration of Independence being ratified during the 1st and 2nd Continental Congress as well as NJ. I see some things never change. I’m sooo glad I moved out of that S*IT HOLE……..

  • EasyToDefeat

    This is too easy to defeat. Tinfoil (metallic cloth) underwear will become the gang-banger fashion trend. The machine won’t see anything under the tinfoil. I’ll start selling them on eBay as soon as this technology hits the streets.

    • Dude

      Metal underbritches… you’ll look super. (thanks for asking)

      It’d be interesting to find out if it would actually work as a countermeasure.

    • bikertrash

      this is going to get a lot of cops killed when they try to stop homey on the street and check him for a gun,and a lot of lawsuits when they try to frisk grandpa’s colostomy bag.

  • David from San Diego

    So did I miss it when they repealed the Constitution?

    • David from San Diego

      You know, the part that says the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed?

      • John.Mason.011

        Yup. Happened November 4, 2008.

      • Juna

        And the part about the right against illegal search and seizure.

      • Al Izzy

        The criminals from NYC justice don’t believe in the U.S. Constitution. Someone needs to take them to court and just take it up from there. The city is violating the U.S. Supreme Court ruling…

    • Juna

      This is an outrage. Yet another desecration of the Constitution. Totally ridiculous. This eliminates the necessary steps to undergo a search. All it takes is an non-consented-to scan to find something and all of the sudden they can search you for real when in reality they would have had no probable cause without this right-infringing device!

  • Justme

    This is why it’s time for the sheep get off the football field and start getting active in the process.. I have two words that will stop all this nonsense..

    Ron Paul!

    • Mejust

      I have two words as well: Nut… Job…

      • Juna

        Keep thinking that as you get virtual strip-searched in the airport and walking down the street with predator drones flying overhead to do “police work.” Just hope you’re not one of the unluckily accused who can be detained indefinitely as an enemy combatant without proof, attorney, or right to a trial.

        • Anuj


      • lonefoosballer

        You should read his book Revolution. Then come back and tell me he is a nut job.
        All his opinions and beliefs are rational and thoughtful. So right off the bat, I can tell you have little in common with him.

        • Dude

          ALL his opinions? Are all your opinions rational? Mine sure aren’t.

          Believe me, I like a lot of what RP has to say (most of it, actually) but to characterize him as darned near infallible is very dangerous.

      • Jacob

        I have two words as well: wake… up…

      • Justme

        Nut Job? I know.. He really is a nut job.. All krazy and stuff talking about freedoms and small government.. Don’t worry.. He’ll get his when the FEMA camps kickoff. They will haul him off to Gitmo.. All these nut jobs.. Thinking they are free or something.. Hmm.. Let me see.. NDAA, HR 3166, SOPA, PIPA and many more that I can’t think of right now..

        So dear sheepals.. Just keep on sipping the fluorides, voting for all these tyrants and whatknot.. Your time will be coming. Don’t say that you where not warned.

        Give me a NUTJOB any day of the week over the tyrannical crap we are facing all day everyday. You suckers need to extricate your heads from your arses and realize that your neck in already on the chopping block. Whether you choose to ignore it or not.

        • Al Izzy

          Justme::: I guess you that type of person that will not use common sense and vote along with the group that you think will win, just to say that you voted for that person. Why not pick Perry (He looks and acts like a puppet). Why not Ging (you can tell he is paid off). Why not Mitt (Another paid off puppet in a suit). Sanatation guy (no body, and always attacking Paul). Ron Paul comes out with what the problem is, and what the solution is… But people like you don’t want to admit there is a problem. So, go live in your fantasy land, and one day when you wake up and say “Oh $hit”, it will be too late…

          • Al Izzy

            JUST ME: Sorry, was not intended towards your comments, was for that jackass.

  • Tom

    Unfortunately Robert McDougall misses the big picture. Regardless of whether anyone has “anything to hide” or not, the freedom to be secure in one’s person, papers and effects is supreme and no citizen is to be subjected to an unreasonable search unless presented with precise articulable probable cause, or with a warrant issued by a competent court. Anything else is done without satisfying these criteria is simply an unconstitutional fishing trip.

  • John Duttingly

    If this goes into effect, my guns will be pointed at the sons of bitches who have never read the goddamn constitution!

    • lowcountry jim

      Careful bro. I know what you said you didnt mean literally but, most government types tend to overreact to off the cuff remarks

  • Bo Jiden

    So start a new industry: Dummy guns — some sort of thin, lightweight gun-shaped metal silhouette that shows up on the scan. Patriotic folks could pack them around and then push back legally when they get an unlawful search.

    • Secret Asian Man

      Gotta be careful. The law protects trigger-happy cops who accidentally shoot kids with toy guns. To willfully pack a gun-shaped object and enter a high risk environment where these scanners are likely to be employed could be asking for trouble. But if you intend to be a martyr and lead the patriotic revolution, go right ahead and thanks for your sacrifice!

  • nycboy

    Carrying illegally?

    • Heartland Patriot

      So sayeth you as you bow to your “Dear Leader” and the glorious, all-mighty socialist nanny state…

    • mamawati

      They have made sure everyone who carries is ” illegally” carrying by not permitting anyone to carry except the rich and famous and the well connected. Your statement misses the point of “free” in freedoms… and the Second Amendment. Write back after you ahve applied for and been denied a permit to carry legally.

      • Mr.Dude

        Apparently nycboy has no clue of how ridiculously difficult it is to be “Legal” in the City. Heck, you can’t even drive through the City with a locked weapon in your trunk, for fear they’ll throw you in jail for a minimum mandatory sentence of three years.

        Oh, and those who commit crimes still have rights, nycboy. Read the constitution.

        Glad I live up here where anyone can carry.

    • Jim

      Check the 2nd Amendment !

    • sscomment

      How do you know who is what, though?

  • scott

    Probably could be defeated by wearing a mylar liner under a jacket or materials with aluminum woven in, like those used for skiing.

    • Bo Jiden

      Whoops. Looks like you beat me to it.

  • J

    The problem with this is that it doesn’t discriminate between the legal and illegal gun carriers. But this sure is an invasion of privacy. You have to be from space not to think so.

  • jharry3

    Of course it violates our civll liberties. Just like the TSA does thousands of times a day!

  • Josh Biggs

    Those that would trade freedom for security deserve neither.

  • Drew W. Smith

    This is a breach of the fourth amendment. Scanning someone’s body is an unreasonable search.

  • susystin

    This country has the right to bare arms. End of discussion. NY is breaking the law and Consitution. Of course, they break them all the time now so who’s going to stop all this.

  • JC

    New York City, GO TO HELL! Illegal guns? Is the government not constrained against taking away your right to bear a weapon? And who said the state can take away your natural God given right to protect your self.

  • Sig Sauer

    Setting aside NYC gun laws, this is just another reason not to ever visit NYC

  • West4Ever

    I live in Wyoming. Here, you can carry openly so this device would be entirely useless. Last time I went to the bank the guy ahead of me had a pistol on his hip. Just a regular bank customer, known to the bank, chatted with me and the teller. What do you think would have happened if he had walked in to a bank like that in New York?

    • Sig Sauer

      West4Ever, check out the story about the lady from Tennessee or the Marine who’s plan landed in NYC. We live in Ohio and I too stop at my bank, grocery store, barbershop with my Sig on my hip. which by the way is the safest place to keep your firearm

      • Howard Redder

        i love my sig p239 .40 cal..its the only gun i will ever own and trust

    • RH

      You are a lucky man, any jobs out there?

      • West4Ever

        Lots in the oil, natural gas and coal industries. Miners, mechanics, drivers, engineers, heavy equipment contractors… they’re all in high demand. Cost of living is low too. And no income tax.

    • baneberrygirl

      He would have been arrested as a “domestic terrorist”..

  • Derby Cap

    I’m going to design clothing that hides body heat, a complete blackout except head and hands.

  • Jimmy Walker

    It is another step in away of our right to privacy, which is natural right. As B. Franklin said, “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

  • Mark Matis

    Time to blow some pig heads off for dishonoring their oath of office.

    • John

      You are an idiot dude for making such a stupid comment. That isn’t a joke.

      • Mark Matis

        And my comment was NOT a joke. “Law Enforcement” has taken an oath to the Constitution, but they spit on it every day. Making them not “Law Enforcement”, but instead Thugs with Guns.

        What do YOU do to a thug with a gun? Do you say “Here are my wife and daughter. I hope you enjoy raping them. Call me if they give you any trouble.” Or do you blow his head off?

  • Troy Mclure

    boys become cops, Men serve in the military. nypd is nothing more than a bunch of ninja wannabes.

  • George O.

    In 30 years, it’ll be 1984.

    • Ray

      I,ll lower your 30 and give you 5 yrs,

      • Pat Henry

        5 Years?? Check your calendar we are already 11 months, and holding, into 1984. I live in the People’s Repubic of Maryland, and it is almost as bad here. Leaving soon for a free state!! KEEP VOTING, FIGHT BACK!

        • Mark Matis

          There ARE NO free states. The “Law Enforcement” in EVERY ONE OF THEM have spit on their oath to the Constitution. The honorable Law Enforcement officers in this country are pathetically few and far between. And EXCLUSIVELY in the very small departments.

          The stench is overwhelming. And it smells like pig.

  • Ray

    just another sign as to how big brother is flushing “we the people” constitution down the toilet!

  • Betsy Ross

    Just one more reason to never visit the Communist state of New York again.

    • Humpy J. Brown

      Was there EVER a good reason?

      Rude people, beggars, urine stinking subways, and lunkheads who are all like “Ahm fum Noo Yawwwk, and you ain’ jaaaack.”

      • Heartland Patriot

        HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! That was AWESOME!

  • Pete Rock

    I wonder… .does their little device detect bullets??? Specifically bullets coming back at a high rate of speed????

    You may not have my guns, but you can have everyone of my bullets!!!!


    • Bill

      Pete Rock let’s add…et omni suus Deus damno volente servus to that Sis semper tyrannus

  • Dutch

    What is it about the 2nd Amendment that these morons don’t understand? Wasn’t McDonald v. Chicago published in NYC?

    • mamawati

      So few peopel are conversant with the foundations of our liberty it is frightening. The Bill of Rights is almost dead and we the people have allowed them to be taken away. We have traded false security for loss of liberty. We have become our own worst enemies.

    • Ghost of Reagan

      Oh, they understand the 2nd Amendment alright, quite thoroughly in fact. It’s just that those people HATE it and what it represents… the means to empower the citizenry over an oppressive government. There’s an old bumper sticker slogan that I haven;t sen in a while, but will likely be coming back. It says “The Government that fears guns in the hands of its citizens, should.” This is why I fully support Rick Perry of Texas as President. He’s the most overtly pro-2nd Amendment candidate this nation has ever had in the last 100+ years, and because of that alone, I can easily overlook all the rest of his faults and screw-ups.

  • Humpy J. Brown

    Nick, you may be wrong.

    Our bodies give off heat. If they use an infrared scanning technology, they’ll see a reddish blob as the totality of our body heat. The gun, being steel, will block that heat and show up as a dark blob on their device. Military has been using infrared for years. You can buy such a device yourself if you have a spare $10K or so.

    Police already use it to scan entire frame structures (and now even block structures, but that requires radiation) during “stand offs”, to see where the occupants are. They call it “lighting them up”, but it’s really nothing but an ultra-sensitive heat detector device.

    But I wouldn’t put it past them to use radiation. They’re already doing it to us at airports.

  • Anthony Jordan

    2nd Amendment = gone…
    4th Amendment = gone…
    Enough said…

  • Steve L

    Benjamin Franklin said: “Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither”

  • Andrei Bilderburger

    Time to enforce the second amendment and get rid of all the New York gun laws. Then this won’t be necessary.

  • Jerry Penny

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

  • ConcernedAmericans

    Further eroding the 4th Amendment. And so it begins.

  • Nick

    There is NO energy given off by anything. These a-holes are planning to bombard the public with radiation in the name of “safety”. The Bloomberg Regime marches on.

    • Nick

      Oh, now you fix your “news reporting” and say it’s body heat, not some mysterious “force”. And heat scans don’t work too well in day time or in crowds.

      • Humpy J. Brown

        Are you talking to ME? Are YOU talking to ME? You must be talking to me, because I don’t see anyone else here——.

    • karlthomas

      While I agree with you on the clear violation of privacy posed by this nonsense in the name of ‘safety’, I will also correct you on your assertion concerning energy.

      Energy can be given off by any object, be it from heat, sound, light, radiation, etc…
      In your second sentence, you acknowledge that the machines give off energy in the form of radiation.

      To sum all this up, energy can emit from any object, and many objects ‘give off’ energy constantly. One of the more obvious object to ‘give off’ energy is the sun(in the form of heat, radiation, and light).

      Energy can be visible or invisible when emitted from an object. In the daylight, a hunter can see his prey due to the light that is reflected from the animal’s hide. At night, hunters must rely on sound energy to locate prey….though sound can be difficult to reconcile with shot placement. Therefore, we must turn to another non-visible energy…. heat energy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLp6DQjDjxw

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