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Mayor Bloomberg Wants Teacher Seniority Rules Changed

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Mayor Michael Bloomberg (Photo by Astrid Stawiarz/Getty Images)

NEW YORK (CBS 2/AP) — New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is warning that unless teacher seniority rules are changed, the city could have to lay off nearly every teacher hired in the last five years.

Bloomberg said Sunday that the New York State budget is expected to contain deep cuts, especially to schools.

“The scuttlebutt is that the education budget will be cut state-wide, and New York City’s share of that will be a billion dollar cut,” Bloomberg told CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer last week.

Bloomberg said the city may be forced to lay off even more teachers — and under state law, the layoffs would be governed by seniority. The mayor reiterated his call for changes to the law that protects teacher seniority. Under state law, the most recently hired teachers must be laid off first. Bloomberg wants merit taken into account.

“In the private sector nobody would do last-in, first-out. You do, you know, who are the most productive, and you say to the others, ‘look it would have been nice if we could afford it, but the world isn’t that way,’” Bloomberg said.

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If the law isn’t changed and the mayor has to lay off 15,000 more teachers, it would mean firing every teacher hired in the last five years, many of them teaching in poor and minority communities, at a time when there are 1,200 teachers in the system who received an unsatisfactory rating last year.

Those 15,000 layoffs would also come in addition to the 6,000 layoffs already written into Bloomberg’s budget.

United Federation of Teachers President Michael Mulgrew said the mayor should be working with the union to prevent layoffs.

Bloomberg spoke at the Christian Cultural Center in Brooklyn.

(Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

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  • Maria

    will you be sayong ” do what you have to dp ” when he comes after your job , your pension , your benefits . Have you ever been in an urban classroom with a wet behind the ears teacher whose scared to death of the students and hasn’t really got the hang of teaching yet ? I would like my kids to have good teachers. The city , the country , needs tax adjustments , make the upper crust who pay the least PAY their share . OH they are friends of the Emperor of NYC , just like the know nothing about education chancellor he put in . What a mess , I didn’t vote for him ,can’t wait till he’s out.

  • Debra

    Every year when he threatens to do this the number goes up. If he wanted to save money maybe he should not have swelled central DOE with the latest “restructuring” or hire a chancellor that forced the creation of yet another high tier DOE job. He doesn’t want good teachers. He wants cheap teachers.

    That way he can funnel more ed dollars into places like Murdoch’s newest company which happens to be run by Klein and will specialize in ed tech, or into publishing (!) since you are going to need all those informational texts to address the new core standards (both part of the Race to the Top approval).

  • Rory Lance

    If the mayor wants to follow the private school model remind him that in private schools there are no more than 16 students in a class. He may also want to raise money for education by stop syphoning public money for the benefit of corporate profits in the way of charter schools. As a teacher who put twenty-six years into the NYC public school system let the mayor know that I was a much more effective teacher when I left than when I started.

  • adam

    This mayor thinks the city is his own personal buisness.He still doesnt get it.Goes to show just because you are a smart buisness man doesnt make you a smart person.If he thinks the city schools are in shambles just because of bad teachers he just doesnt have a clue.No discipline bad parenting and the whole liberal agenda is the reason the schools are so bad.

  • Bloomy Jr.

    After reading the story on how many nyc teachers are just sitting in a room reading waiting for them to be assigned or their probation to be over… they should be fired.. sounds like to many teachers. I say get rid of the seniors and keep the new recruits and pay them less unless they are worth it. That is how they do it in corporate america.

    • John

      If you run education like corporate America, what do you get? Think about it for a few minutes.

      Hire overseas, cheap labor, principals like CEO’s worth millions, what else can you add to this formula? People should stop making this ignorant comparison.

    • Susan

      We already see what has become of corporate American through the decades. Workers are laid off just before they are eligible for full retirement benefits, layoffs with downsizing, mergers. Now we have disloyal employees who will drop a job when another place offers a buck more per hr. What a great solution.

  • John

    The mayor consistently and erroneously compares education with the private sector, which is a fallacy, as any educated person easily recognizes. It’s apples to oranges. Business is concerned with generating the most profit for the least expense. Schools should get the money they need, period.

    He’s just playing the new teachers against the old, trying to destroy any solidarity. I hope our educated public sees through this juvenile tactic.

  • Dunno

    Hate to say this but NYC spends way too much money on “Special Education”..about triple the amount spent on, dare I say..normal students. So why should my kid have to sit in a classroom short on desks and supplies while the “special ed” kids suck up all the resources? Has this town gone completely insane?!

    • Dunno

      That’s triple the amount per student, not in total

  • Luis A. Ramos

    Of Course Anyone Having To Really Work In A Real Job Know’s That This Is A Big Fat Lie Perpertrated By The 9-11 King Of Propoganda, Here Is Where I Can Use The Theme. That He Learned From The Master’s Propoganda Minister And His Leni Riefenstahl Approach To Policy!

  • Bill

    Bloomberg will you ever quit? Maybe you can quit being mayor since you should not be the mayor anyway? Tell us again why are you still in office?

    • hee haw

      cuz u new yorkers voted him in

    • Steven G.

      He’s in cuz he changed the law so he could serve an extra term? What makes him so special? He’s tyrannical.

    • margot stewart

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  • ThePatriotMuckraker

    Americans must make do with less so that the bankers, corporations and their puppet politicians can have more.

    • dave

      That is a joke. let city hall, albany do the same. let them feel the pain as well. but no, they don’t bloomyburger has no money but has money for high priced consultant in the board of ed, could plant trees, landscaping etc. what a joke. How do you talk about lmproving schools and creating jobs while laying off teachers etc. This will be going on next year as well with the next budget. So you may see 60,000 teachers laid off by 2013.

  • John

    Thank God I teach in a catholic school!

  • zeppel mudder

    He keeps talking about the private sector. There is no way, a person hired today,would replace a long time employee. What does he want to do, tie up the courts in legal proceedings. I spent 35 yrs in a Teamster Union. The rule was, and is seniorority prevails. Who does he think he is? He feels he can change labor law to suit him, but he won’t be around to see the damage , he is attempting to do. He threaten layoffs, you didn’t believe him, so you voted him back in office, because he said, he was the only one that can manage. Just look outside your window, iff you want to see how good his management is

    • Gabe Sep

      I hope you did not spent all that time teaching, because you have many grammar mistakes. As someone who English is his second language, I can spot plenty on them including excessive use of comas. Second, there are too many teachers with outdated philosophies and way of teaching. They have low level of skills and use of current technologies. Some do not even know how to use computers (my brother is one of them).
      We need innovative ways to teach and to keep our students attention and move them in a direction that meets not only this millennium but also this decade demands and standards. So out with the old, outdated, inefficient, sorry but that’s the real world and you guys have been sheltered and protected by your unions for too long.

      • Susan

        Gabe, Please stop criticizing grammatical errors. I am a product of NYC schools. For your information, it is “comma”, not “coma”. I will hold off on criticizing the rest of YOUR grammatical errors. If your brother does not know how t use a computer, it is your fault for not helping him. Stop coming to America expecting us to do everything for you. Low level of skills is also due to genetics, laziness and poor family involvement. It is not easy to spot every bad teacher. Some teachers get students with high intelligence and motivation, while others get lazy students from lazy homes. Don’t blame the teachers for everything.

      • Debra

        He said, “Teamster”.

    • Gabe Sep

      Sure point the rest of the grammatical errors, I grew up and lived in Puerto Rico for 38 years before moving here three and a half years ago. English is my second language and I went to public school there, which means that I learned my English in a non-speaking English environment. No excuses for you for not knowing, writing, doing better. By the way, Puerto Rico is part of the United Sates and we are not America we are part of it. Again, you need to do better.

    • Gabe Sep

      And second I paid almost thirty three thousand in taxes last year, mainly because I am not married and income. Therefore, the assumption that you are doing things for me is so absurd that it hurts. You see it makes me mad that I pay almost enough taxes to pay for one inept long serving teacher, for a child that I do not have and I never will. Therefore, I do care where my money goes and it should go to the best and most qualified for the job. My brother doest want to learn computers because he is secure, comfortable and not require, he is 45 years old, so you see he is not a child he is another lazy teacher.

  • JM

    For many years the mayor and inept chancellor had touted rising scores and the fact that since standards were raised, our children were performing at higher levels. Over the summer along with all the rhetoric over teacher accountability came the sudden change in the scoring of the NYS exams and the mayor announced that teachers were to blame for the lower scores. Isn’t it convenient that when rising scores worked for the mayor he never felt the need to connect those scores to teacher accountability. Can’t anyone see through our “education mayor”? This is not about the children in the classroom, this is business as usual. Bloomberg is trying to equate teacher accounability with the new test scores. Not once has he ever addressed the challenges teachers face in the classroom every single day. He has never addressed what it is like to try to educate a child whose parents are absent or uninvolved, or too busy with their own life to give a care what their child is doing in school. He has never addressed what it’s like to try to prepare these children to take a NYS exam when they have no idea who they are going home to after school or if anyone will feed them dinner tonight. These are real situations that educators deal with on a daily basis. I wonder if his newly appointed chancellor has ever helped a child in a situation like this…I doubt it, yet she is our new leader! Enough with the teacher bashing Mr. Mayor! The bottom line is you do not want to pay the salaries for experienced teachers and you are trying to break the union.

    • Alex

      Looks like you did not get it. State and city do not have money to keep same amount of teachers. However, even through your disagreement, budget must be balanced, so teachers mus be cut. Regardless you like this mayor or not THESE TEACHERS MUST BE LAID OFF TO BALANCE BUDGET. Do not push this ball into different area, we do not have money, and TEACHERS MUST BE LAID OFF. Regardless you agree or disagree. Yes, it’s business, it’s capitalism. Just services could be provided whatever is paid. It’s alphabet of economy. By the way, level of education at the NYC public schools is very low despite of huge spending on this so called education.

  • peter

    here the mayor goes again with his arrogant bullying. If he doesn’t get his way, he threatens layoffs. What’s the city going to do? Put 45 kids in a classroom? Have them sit on the floors like they did 20 years ago.

    • Alex

      Even 70 children at the room. Anyway, majority of them are incapable for education.

  • Sal

    When all you read about are teachers in rubber rooms, that haven’t taught in a decade receiving raises that bring their salaries to six figures there is definitely some bad public relations going on. Most every other job is performance based , why not teachers. If you do the job, you’re not at risk. We should retain the best of what we have not the longest tenured. Principals have to chose, they’re the only ones close enough to do it. It’s also in their best interest to keep the best if they want their performance bonus’. The Unions should want competency as well. Not just dues.

    • igor

      When a doctor tells you to take medicine, would you take it or not?
      So why children don’t do their homework when teachers tell it would help them?
      And where are parents? Why no one is asking this question?

      • Alex

        You’re right. School shouldn’t be instead of family. Now we have plenty of babysitters with master degree and state license. In addition to large salary.

  • pds8232

    How ironic is it that this web page has a link on the far right side advertising a school where you can study to become a New York City teacher.

  • Jay m

    The mayor rattles on and on about this,but never admits what he really wants to do is eliminate the more experienced teachers because they have higher salaries and thus cost more. Of course,if these teachers are forced to retire then the mayor can carry on about how their hard earned pensions are draining the city budget.The mayor never mentions how some principals protect their favorites,those who always say yes to them and tell them how great they are at the expense of better teachers who do not kiss their behind. Does the mayor want these principals to have the decision on who stays. Oh., I forgot,for some teachers we can base the decision on totally inaccurate test scores after we publish teacher evaluations in the Bloomberg controlled tabloids.The sad part is that our education mayor has ruined the school system through test mania and charter craziness and has always looked to blame the teachers and the UFT for his disaster.

    • Alex

      Children molesters at the public schools are also the mayor’s fault?Teachers, staying at the rubber rooms and receiving their raises for decades-it’s also the mayor’s fault? When will your union take full responsibility for bad level of education and uneducated educators?

  • DeShawn

    Get rid of bad teachers – schools are about kids not adults!!!!
    Our schools are TERRIBLE – personally I’d like it if we fired every teacher who has been there more than 5 years – clearly they aren’t doing a good job and are to blame.

    • John

      go eat some chicken you dumb monkey

    • Advisor

      Then go do the same for heart/brain surgeons, you nitwit!

  • Jenn Moore

    What is the point of being in a union if the mayor can make up the rules as he pleases?

    • Alex

      Since union does not pay the money. Union does take the money. Mayor pays the money and has full right to decide how many employees he needs.

  • crystal

    I am so sick of hearing about this. Principals were always able to get rid of bad teachers. So big deal the teacher would file a grievance and if the Principal did their homework and had enough data and info showing the teacher to be poor, the teacher would be gone. Bloomberg acts like getting rid of bad teachers never took place. This actually isn’t about getting rid of bad teachers, it’s about getting rid of costly teachers whether they are good or bad. Veteran teachers are the ones who can handle the job. New young teachers either leave because they can’t handle it or go out on Maternity leave for years. There is consistency with us old bags. If he changes the law the DOE will go back to Nepotism Central and it won’t be a pretty sight.

  • Ray Mena

    I have 13 years of teaching experience, and the majority of new teachers are the ones who struggle with discipline in the classroom, delivery of lessons, and don’t want to listen to the tips and advice of veteran teachers. I have seen so many come and go throughout my teaching career. I think that if you put in the years and are an expert in your field, why should you get dismissed for a rookie with no guarantee that he/she will stay teaching. My question is this, “Why are teachers being singled out, I don’t see the NYPD, or the FDNY following that protocol, Last-in, First-out.” How would that sound if a rookie cop comes into the force and the veteran cop has to leave because he is no longer an effective cop? So please, for the love of God leave the Veteran teachers alone. We chose this career and are in it for the long haul, unlike the rookies that leave to the suburbs once they get the experience from the city schools.

    • old bird

      How would that sound if a rookie cop comes into the force and the veteran cop has to leave because he is no longer an effective cop?

      ————————————————————————-
      That sounds perfect to me. Old age and seniority should not allow educators to mask their incompetence. I’m an old teacher myself — who isn’t afraid of performance evaluations.

      • 82 scrambler

        but what if your replaced because you make to much money. This is what Bloomberg is trying to todo. get rid of all teachers that have 15 or 18 years in replace them with new lower paid teachers then they don’t have to pay any retirement benifits.

      • Paul

        Your’e full of it, Old Bird. Your’e probably some newbie hack trying to justify how “special” you are. Do us “old” people a favor and get your suburban teacher job already…oh, that’s right…the economy sucks and you need to hang around a bit longer, so let’s sack a career “old” teacher to protect your sorry rear-end.

    • Alex

      Unfortunately for you and your colleagues, NYPD has better results in performance that DOE. It’s why majority of parents are trying to place their children to private schools if they are able to afford.

  • MN89

    Amazing how we continuously cut necessary services yet won’t place a fair tax on the wealthy. Again the top 2% get to slide right on by while the rest of the community gets shafted. Wanna balance the budget? Tax the folks not paying their share.

    • Alex

      Socialism with its spreading the wealth system failed in USSR. You like to jump to the same swamp?

  • MARIA

    WRONG , the Emperor of NY wants to balance his budget by axing the senior teachers who have given their lives towards educating the city’s children . Who have the most experience and are better equiped to teach . He wants them out so he can hire newbies for half the price . Unioins have made this country strong and protected the backs of blue collar workers and their families . Do you think he will stop at teachers ? Next it will be the most senior ,experienced cops , firemen , nurses and YOU reader .

    • Diann

      Maria: Exactly right! It seems to me that the mayor should work WITH THE UNIONS on streamlining the procedure for firing incompetent teachers, rather than wholesale firing of all new teachers. What the heck is with all of this hate toward teachers and unions? I don’t get it. Teachers can’t even strike in protest of all of this blame. It’s as though the perception is that teachers are the root of all of NYC fiscal woes – not only unfair, but obviously untrue.
      Sorry Bloomberg, I’m not drinking that KoolAid, and what a low blow to deliver a message like this at Christian Cultural Center! You are some piece of work!

    • Alex

      If it’s no money, expenses must be cut. Our biggest expenses come from education and health care.

  • edy

    Mr Mayor.

    Lay off whom you have to. Don’t let the Unions dictate to you on how you should do your job. The Unions are not helping you balance the budget and prevent tax hikes. On the contrary, if it was up to the unions, we’d see more tax hikes just to save their jobs.

    All Unions do is suck the budget dry.

    Once again Mr. Mayor. Do waht you have to do.

    Best regards

    • ThePatriotMuckraker

      Hey “edy”, nice try on the reactionary austerity babble. Your a sucker, or paid shill, fooled by the banker’s game.

      More laid off people = no taxable income = less money to pay taxes = more unemployment checks = adding to the ~25% unemployment numbers for the government to downplay.

      You are a party lover and traitor to the republic.

      • dave

        thank you! mr. edy works as a brown noser. I would just raise taxes and create revenue while still people working.

    • dave

      Mr. edy you must be a brown noser who lives on the edge everyday. unions protect workers rights, job security, work place etc. before unions people were working with no rights at pennies a day, being bias as well. unions are not the problem, albany is. They agree to contracts with these unions, so don’t put it on unions. The amount of people under investigation in albany is worse than the f.b.i. going after the mob. Maybe you should work oversees getting paid ten dolllars a day and no benefits. That is what bloomyburger wants.

  • jojo

    He just wants to get rid of the teachers making top pay.

    If the principal doesn’t like you, good bye.

    15,000 who woud be left to teach the children.

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