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Mom Accused Of Abducting 8 Children Tells Her Side Of The Story

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Shanel Nadal (credit: CBS 2)

Shanel Nadal (credit: CBS 2)

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — After their week on the run ended Monday night, the Queens woman who allegedly took her own children from child welfare last week spoke out Tuesday and made some strong accusations while in police custody.

Shanel Nadal, 28, was arrested in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania along with the eight children’s biological father, Nephra Payne. The children were unharmed and are now in the custody of Dauphin County Children and Youth Services.

“Any mother who’s going through this — do what you got to do to protect your kids,” Nadal told reporters, including CBS 2′s Christine Sloan.  “I love y’all so much.  You know what mommy doing.  Mommy did this for y’all.”

Shackled and looking tired, Nadal said “make sure you don’t abuse them no more” before getting into a police cruiser. When asked by a reporter who she believed was abusing her kids, Nadal replied “foster care and I’m tired of it.”

New York City’s Administration for Children’s Services said it has not received any complaints against the foster parents.

Nadal, her children and their father Nephra Payne were found by police as they prepared to spend the night inside a parked black van, which had no plates.

NYPD detectives said a tip brought them to the neighborhood and that when they got to the area, it looked like the family was about to turn in for the night.

Police say Nadal snuck them out of the Forestdale Child Agency in Forest Hills during what was supposed to be a supervised group visit last week.

Investigators say Nadal and Payne spent the last week first driving to South Carolina, where they lived previously, and then back north to Harrisburg where Payne has family.

Nadal lost custody following allegations of abuse by Payne.

The Payne siblings, seven brothers named Nephra and one sister named Nefertiti, range in age from 11 months to 11-years-old.

All of the children were in foster care at the time of their abduction.

abducted children Mom Accused Of Abducting 8 Children Tells Her Side Of The Story

(credit: DCPI)

A separate investigation into how the children were absconded Sept. 19 from Forestdale Child Agency in Queens during a supervised visit is still continuing.

The city’s Administration for Children’s Services, which hired the agency to host the visit, said, “ACS is reviewing with the foster care agency the protocols it has in place for supervised visits and its campus security system. We will share the results of that investigation once it is completed.”

Nadal is being held on $200,000 bail.  The Dauphin County District Attorney says Nadal’s extradition hearing is set for next week. Payne collapsed while in custody and was taken to Harrisburg Hospital. He still faces arraignment.

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  • Joanne E Ardis

    Speaking as a Grandmother of grandchildren who are in the system I know exactly how my daughter would feel and i guess that she feels the same way that Miss Nadal feels about her 8 children being taken from her and put in foster care, all that she cared about was her children and heir welfare, granted she absconded with them out of fear that they will now ner be a family ever again because of this infraction that occurred……..The agency Forestdale does not care one way or the other that ay woman’s children is taken away from her no matter what the situtation is, all that they @ the agency is that the children wil be better off without their parent(s) in their lives which is a direct falsehood all around,In the case of my grandchildren their mother has not be given the proper respect or ability to be their mother, which is something that Forestdale desn’t want for my grandchildren to have Nor does ACS want that for my grandkids either…………These two agencys are made up with uncaring and very heartless people whose main objective is to destroy any hope that the natural parents have of ever getting their children returned to them, also they see to it that the grandparent(s) does not see the children as well. What ever falls on the agency behind this with the Nadal/Payne family is truly what they deserve to get,because No child should be taken from their Momma or Daddy and thrown into a system that actually couldn’t careless about the parents andwhat they are going through just to survive and raise their children in this cruel society……..The Mother of those 8 children really wasn’t thinking of the repuccussions of what the law will do to her and her kids father all she was concerned with was being with he children and enjoying being with them at any cost,I feel for her because I have lost my grandmother privilages being that my grandkids are not with their mother..God less Miss Nadal and may he help her to deal with this very unpleasant situtation

    • andy

      So it is better to leave them in an abusive home with negligent parents.. You are an IDIOT….

      • YOUR MOM

        @ andy Just in case I forgot to teach you……RESPECT YOUR ELDERS !

    • sk

      there was a reason why her kids were taken away! i know plenty of foster parents that made a wonderful life for their “children”. they offerd hope an d a better life than the children had with their biological families! i still see abusive parents ready to kill their kids and then we complain that the government didn’t do anything to remove the kids so they can be raised in a better environment!

  • Very conservative

    Liberalism is a mental dsorder. And studies find that those with such a disorder (like Diane to name one) were verbally abused as children. Explains her soft spot for a story like this (regarding children) without seeing (or wanting to admit to) the much broader picture.

    • Diane

      It’s funny that you mention mental disorder. I was just doing some research and I kid you not..you came to mind. Based on your comments, it’s fair to say that you are a young man perhaps still at home. You are full of anger, you feel as though you were rejected as a child, maybe you were bottle fed oppose to breast-fed and as a result..you are angry,bitter and you lash out at all the wrong people. Direct your anger where it should be, and that’s with yourself.Grow-up, travel, read, educate yourself on all cultures and race and you will be surprised that it’s wonderful people out there and a great deal of IDIOTS LIKE YOURSELF. I WILL NO LONGER GIVE YOU THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT BY COMMENTING TOWARDS YOUR IGNORANCE ANY LONGER. I SUGGEST YOU GET STARTED RIGHT AWAY, AND WHILE YOU ARE AT IT SEEK MENTAL THERAPY IMMEDIATELY.

      • Ver conservative

        Will you marry me?

        • Millie

          You’re funny

  • Truth

    watch “How the US Government Kidnaps Children to Drug Them Into Oblivion ” on Youtube

  • Johnny Handsome

    Until the states comes and takes your kids because someone made a false accusation against you, you should not pass judgement. Once they have your kids, they are open to all types of crime. I would have done the same thing. Kids and raped daily in these government kiddie jails.

    • tellthetruth

      I totally agree. Allegations allow the government to come into your home and take your children, whether founded or not. A new form of slavery, when you find that if you are receiving state aid, your children are state property. Mmmmm. Better be careful with times such as they are, you never know the motives of the powers that be, especially with so-called tea party activists judges who seem to believe that children of color are property in certain counties in New York!

      • Jaime

        I agree as well however the problem here is that they reported the abused themselveson each other.

      • JMJ

        I agree with your first part. But I am part of the Tea Party, White and i don’t beilieve in taking children of ANY NATIONALITY away from their families. Unless there is piles of evidance of EXTREME abuse.

  • John V.

    To hell with these mutant parents and their damn kids. I can only wonder how much of my tax dollars went and is still going to them for support. They are nothing but a public service sucking, money losing black hole that will conti nue for generations for sure. I hope that they and their children drop off the face of the earth tomorrow. Too bad they didnt drive their van off the side of a bridge and kill themselves.

    • Melissa

      you suck

  • Dee

    SOOOOOOOOOOO happy the children are okay…..

    • prettysanchez

      are they really safe? I’m a case worker and i can tell you that sometimes these kids jump right out of the pan and straight into the fire when they enter foster care.

      allegations of rape, forced prostitution, physical/mental abuse and even murder of foster children often doesn’t make the news.

      There had to be a reason why the parents risked it all to take their children out of they system.

  • SueZ

    OK let me get the straight….the father is accused of abuse…they are living in a van so they are homeless….how are they planning to to feed and clean these kids never mind schooling..I’m assuming she was plaing on home schooling them in the van…and yet people are saying they are better off with their parents???

  • Gina

    Instead of judging the parents and the system, why ? The kids have to suffer the consequences. Yesterday, I saw Anderson Coopper show , it was horrible to see how parents abuse their kids. These kids are beautiful, please sit down to find a good solution for their lives. Remember, they are good samaritans, who could them. The Lord gives kids, don’t let them suffer because of the system.

  • em

    how come we here one side of the story! you think foster care is safe? well, obviously not. they were taken out by their own parents, u call this abduction? amazing how the media makes thing up!!!

  • mataba

    Too many ignorant haters here, and the gov has no business getting into parents
    affairs so easily. These kids have the same mom and dad, which i a lot more than can be for a lot of kids out there with true dysfunctional families. Leave them da eff
    alone. ACS in NYC is a sad pathetic “Joke!” smokersodyssecom

  • JayZeeNJ

    34 with 8 kids you can’t take care of- Please tie this womans tubes , better yet remove her uterus- just to be safe. How many of our tax payers dollars have been spent taking care of these kids?

    • em

      how about chopping his balls off instead. she didn’t get pregnant by wind…

    • me

      She is only 28 and has many child birthing years ahead of her….

  • Sherrilynn Durham

    Agree with the fact that we cannot judge without knowing the details, and with CPS involved, it is never clear cut. Those who believe that CPS only intervenes when true abuse or neglect exists are living in dreamland. Maybe these kids were abused or neglected; maybe not. Maybe they just didn’t fit someone’s ideal view of IDEAL parents. Who knows. Sometimes CPS leaves kids to die. Other times they take kids that they shouldn’t. Occasionally they get it right.

    From earlier reports I read, this mom and dad had been jumping through all the hoops, doing all they were supposed to do, but CPS was still talking about terminating their parental rights. This happens more than you’d realize if you are the average citizen; CPS sets forth requirements and a “plan” but often hinders the parents completion of that plan. For example, parents are supposed to visit 1x a week, but CPS reschedules often, later this is used against parents for “not visiting”. As time goes by with this kind of hindrance, the system says “Oh look, these kids have been in foster care too long, time to get them adopted”… who, in that situation, wouldn’t freak out and take their kids?

    • Evelyn

      Sherrilyn, Your comment has a true basis. NY ACS needs an internal investigation. How many children have literally died under the “watchful eye” of ACS. People/angry baby daddy..new girlfriend/ex’s use ACS’s hotline to seek revenge and get people in trouble with false allegations. This world, particularly NY is overpopulated with single family homes raising children. Some how through the Grace of God this guy managed to stick around for the job. I say the Dis. Attorney should investigate exactly what has happened in this case. If this woman was a danger and her children were in detremental danger, why would she be allowed to have visitation..or so-called “supervised visitation ?? The children all appear (visually) to be well-cared for and healthy.
      The media and it’s buddies have a tendency to inflate exactly what has happened to maintain THEIR jobs. There is no means to define what has happened here as an “ABDUCTION”, THEY ARE THEIR CHILDREN AND IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILTY TO CARE AND PROVIDE FOR THESE CHILDREN.
      If whatever has happened and it wasn’t necessary for her to be hospitalized or imprisoned then I can’t imagine why she cannot continue has job as MOTHER.

    • tellthetruth

      It’s nice to see there are some individuals of intelligence commenting here. CPS has become a place where political activism has replaced justice for the families subjected to this type of intervention. Foster care and daycare have become breeding grounds for the future criminal class of people, forced there by those who desire to maintain the complex. Thanks for your enlightened response.

  • moethegrass

    My money paid for these kids in the foster homes. it was my money that paid for the police to find these kids. How dare these two be allowed to have anything to do with these children.

    • Evelyn

      @ moe, MY MONEY..MY MONEY….HORSE MANURE. I bet my bottom dollar that you are unemployed. It’s people like you that do all the screaming about “my money” and haven’t contributed a dollar to the economy..city/state taxes. NOTHING ! You can only hope and pray that when it’s your time to depart that your children (if any) are adults so perhaps OUR MONEY WON’T GO TOWARDS PROVIDING A ROOF OVER THEIR HEADS…MEALS..FREE HEALTH CARE ETC.
      Take Care, TOMMY !!

      • Nephra Cornholio Peebles

        Evelyn,

        On behalf of everyone here, and with all due disrespect, please kiss my bung-hole.

        • Evelyn

          Use your own identity, What happened did I hit a sore spot..did I knock on your truth door? Speak for yourself, whatever it is that may have razzle-dazzled you…I say…….GET OVER IT !
          It can be quite difficult when you can’t handle the TRUTH.

          • bobby

            if these people had to use their own identity, you would find much le GARBAGE in these replies!

        • Hamhock

          2thumbs up, Nephra

  • Den. M

    I believe that some of these News websites need to filter these comments that are posted. People have their own opinions to every situation but there are some who do not need to know what they are.

    • Sherrilynn Durham

      Um, what?

    • ????

      I take it either you and your children are living off MY tax dollars, OR you actually somehow, someway get enjoyment out of doing the same with your wasted tax dollars. So which is it?

      • Den. M

        For your information, neither me nor my children live off YOUR tax dollars. My parents were very well off and I am very fortunate to have graduated Med School and can provide for my children and my family without beating an eyelash. I just believe that it’s wrong to punish a child for the stupidity of his/her parents. And some comments are directed at the children. If someone is going to make comments like that, address the parents but do not try to predict what the children will become in the future.

  • Joe

    Perfect example on why you should need a license to reproduce!

  • Besalel

    We really cannot pass judgment on this story without additional facts. What did they do to lose custody? Did they lose their kids only because they were too poor? Did the state wrongfully take away the children instead of providing assistance? Did she have a mom to help her? It is a very natural desire to want to have your family all together with you. How heartbreaking must it be to be branded a criminal because you desire to have a big happy family instead of wondering what kind of crazies have your children under their roof. No one should be too labeled too poor to have a family.

    On the other hand, if this woman was a drug abuser that put these kids in harms way day in and day out then this is just a tragic story all the way around.

    I certainly do not trust the state system enough to give it the benefit of the doubt. i would like to learn more about what happened here before forming an opinion.

  • IGotsDaBieberFieber

    What lovely parents.

  • Rugbyball

    Did I read that correctly, all of the boys shared the same first name, Nephra?
    If they had another daughter the girls would also share the same name, Nefertiti.

    I guess it makes it simple with that many kids, only two names to have to remember.

    • Jones

      I can’t even tell their genders except for the top left. Never mind the names.

    • DianaF

      They have different middle names. So Nephra Rugbyball, etc.

    • Nephra gonna give u up

      Titicaca was too hard to spell.

  • Kei

    Thank God.

  • Destitute Dan Te

    @ Dan Te….be careful what you say. Unless you are a billionaire you are just ONE paycheck away from being homeless. And then MY hard-earned tax dollars will go towards caring for an idiot like YOU. You have a reputation on this forum for always regurgitating the word “spawn”. Based on your comment/s it’s fair to say you were raised without love from your family. It’s quite difficult to show love when you”ve never received it yourself.
    With that being said, I say crawl back under your rock and continue to live the miserable life that you live.

    • DanTe

      You people and your “one paycheck away from poverty” scam. It’s something called savings and an education in a employable field. Something you people are born too stupid to understand.

      • leroy

        i spend al my moneys on my cadilac escladd flat screen tvs and phat as jewlre. cant be betr spended

      • Diane

        @ Dan Te, I posted the comment above for you. I’m puzzled by your “YOU PEOPLE” statement. I was born in Italy 49 yrs ago and have been here since the adorable age of 5. My parents were wealthy and had an abundance of education, they were wise business owners and made sure they left a nest egg for their children. To suggest that I was “born too stupid” is ignorance on your part. YOU DON’T KNOW WHO I AM AND WHAT I HAVE. Luckily, for my daughter who is 23 and in Medical school was not born from “too stupid” parents. Based on your ignorant and loveless attitude I guess it’s fair to say your are one miserable person, apparently your parents were not as fortunate as mine because THEY CONCEIVED SOMEONE LIKE YOU. TAKE YOUR RACIST,LACK OF KNOWLEDGE AND PERHAPS COMMIT SUICIDE. YOU’RE MISERABLE AND SHOULD NOT GO ON ANOTHER MINUTE.

        • Very conservative

          Diane go back to Italy and drink a lot of wine and olive oil. Or better yet an entire bottle of Draino.

          • prettysanchez

            I thought JHS resumed on September 8th? what are you doing out of class?

        • Nick

          But YOU sure know what he HAS OR NOT HAVE. As you try to imply that him and everybody else is like you: ONE PAY CHECK AWAY FROM BEING HOMELESS.

          Like the other guy said: Draino. It’ll help.

          • Diane

            @ Nick and his moronic buddy, why would I want to ingest Draino when I can continue to live the wonderful American dream. I sit around my family table nightly eating amazingly delicious food, with white wine and love. When my daughter comes home on break, we converse all night about how interesting Medical school is for her and the future gift of saving lives. It’s people like the two of you that are sadly mis-guided, lonely, full of anger and can’t fix your lips to say LOVE. I love my home, my family, my job and all the blessings that has been placed before me. Try to set aside your inner frustration, and perhaps you may seek happiness. God Bless America and All the wonderful people !

      • Johnny Handsome

        Its easy to be tough and have a big mouth on the internet, hey DanTe? Coward.

        • Evelyn

          @ Johnny, YES YES YES….Oh Lord please forgive me, but just reading Johnny has turned me completely on ! Please Johnny don’t stop !

  • Joe Schmo

    Sooner or later, it will come to that. Even if it takes over 100 years, even the liberals will have had enough with garbage like this.

    • Lori Heeren Scribner

      As a conservative I am tired of my tax dollars being fraudulently spent on the destruction of our families by the government the expense is astronomical nation wide in 2007 it tallied up to 26 billion according to the casey family report and then when you look at the MIT study that found most children will do better if left in their own home even when the home isn’t that good you have to wonder what it is the gov is doing other than supporting a corrupt enterprise.

  • Joe Schmo

    This is the main reason why I pay around $300/mo in just NYC income tax. Gotta move to New Hampshire. No state income tax nor sales tax. And better quality of life without having to encounter many leeches like this on the street begging, stealing (in addition to MY tax dollars), stabbing, shooting, etc.

    • nrichard

      wow – and let me guess, you attend church every Sunday too right – you know – but for the Grace of God go you so you better watch it – it’s people like you that are the most evil spirited yet the most sanctimonious – If you do believe in God, you had better pray a lot for your own soul because He doesn’t like a hater.

    • Johnny Handsome

      Joe Schmo, I understand the disadvantage of you not going past the 3rd grade causes you to spew some really stupid rants but come on man! You and your kind are the number one leeches, killers, rapist, criminals on the planet. One of you has stolen more in 10 years than all poor people combined – in history!

      • Evelyn

        @ Johnny, YES YES YES…..Are you as handsome as your words?
        Vultures like Joe Schmo are the biggest leeches, sadistic killers and CROOKS of all time. The biggest crooks are the ones trying to avoid taxes, the millionaire morons, and the ones ranting on and on. EVERYONE has to pay in some fashion,but it will come a time unless you’re cast iron that you will benefit from the tax withheld. He better hope with his attitude that his children don’t throw him in the street or perhaps a nursing home, because that’s when all the “big bucks” he’s braging about won’t mean a darn thing.

  • Denise

    I am so relieved that these children have been found. My question is…why wasn’t there visit being supervised? I understand that you want to give some “privacy” however, with her kind of background supervision should have been administered. Could you even begin to imagine what the children are feeling. I have been thinking all week about this story, hoping and praying for the safety of those innocent children. Not every woman is meant to be a mother and in this case she had her first child way to young. I don’t know her past, but she shouldn’t of had 8 children. I hope that these children get the proper care they need and deserve. After all…they were not asked to be brought into this world. I also hope that the foster care place in queens changes the way its run.

    • Sherrilynn Durham

      Curious as to what you refer to with “her kind of background”?

      I have read many articles about this case and I don’t remember anything standing out. Having kids young is not smart, but does not always equal abuse or neglect. Having many children is often frowned upon but again, doesn’t always equal abuse/neglect. And remember, they all have the SAME FATHER which is amazing in our day. I am just curious as to your reasoning behind the statement that she shouldn’t have had these kids. We don’t even know why CPS took them, really, and we never will… so all we can do is guess.

      • Denise

        What I mean “her kind of background” is what I have being hearing. I am suggesting abuse. I am just for the welfare of these children. We may not know the full details of the story, but when it all comes down to it…its all about the children. If she was abusive to these children then they should have been supervised. This has nothing to do with the fact that they all have the same father which yes, is amazing in this day.

  • Guy who once saw Lyle A l z a d o at Newark Airport

    “Lost” my Jabra proprietary bluetooth headset charging cable a few months ago. But mistakenly put it in shopping bag while cleaning the car. Found it there (while cleaning the house this time) a few weeks ago. Luckily I did not pay any money for another one. Got to be more careful though, because it is only about 8″ and therefore pretty easy (and expensive because hard to find) to misplace.

    • Frito

      Who needs a friend with a candle anyhow?

      • Watch your mouth, pizza man

        i really don’t think its such a good idea to say that word out loud in a public space, do you? My cheese pizza is watery and gassy.

  • Lorraine

    Well, thank goodness they were at least together and perhaps the kids were safe. With the amount of children she has had with only about a two year break I assume its fair to say she is overwhelmed. Women have the tendency to suffer from post-partum depression if they feel this way or if they feel they have no help from the spouse. It can be a great deal of stress with raising children from birth. Crying, diaper changing,nursing, feeding, lack of sleep on both mother and child and housework. Some men can’t begin to imagine the 24hr. job raising children can be. From what I can tell, he was there during the conceiving of all children ( God they all look just like him ) but not when the going got tough. He reported her for abuse and probably had no idea what was next to come. I pray this mother will get the help and BIRTH CONTROL she so desperately needs to continue to be a good mother to her children.

    • William

      The kids are better off with their parents than with CPS and in some questionable or perverted foster home. The government should stop kidnapping children to justify the existence of some overbearing agency that is reminiscent of the Gestapo.

    • Sherrilynn Durham

      I agree with you, and I don’t know all the details any more than anyone else but I wonder if this woman might manage to be a good parent with PROPER SUPPORT? I didn’t read anything about him reporting her though, can you post a link? I am curious.

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