Rockland County Teacher Accused Of Spoiling Santa For Young Students

For Whatever Reason She Decided It Was OK To Start A Vicious Rumor

NANUET, N.Y. (CBSNewYork) — As Christmas approaches and children look forward to the big day, there’s a teacher in Rockland County who took it upon herself to deal with the issue of Santa Claus.

LISTEN: 1010 WINS’ Al Jones reports

Now it’s become a controversy, reports CBS 2’s John Slattery.

The belief in Santa has gone on for hundreds of years, bestowing presents that magically appear after a late night visit from a kindly old soul.

But the belief was apparently bruised a bit at George Miller Elementary School.

The word around here is that in a second grade class, when speaking of the North Pole, a very confused teacher said something about Santa.

“That she said there was no Santa,” one parent said.

Not only did she say there was no Santa, but that parents have a hand in the presents.

“It’s probably bad judgment, yeah,” another parent said.

Irene Hoffman has three children in the school.

“Unfortunate, very unfortunate. I think it’s sad,” Hoffman said.

So devastating was the gaff, the school principal would not discuss it, nor would her superintendent. But parents at a nearby mall would.

“That’s horrible. That’s so untrue and it’s horrible,” Donna Murphy said.

The whole Santa thing was pretty much laid to rest more than a hundred years ago by a New York City newspaper. In answer to an inquisitive 8-year-old who posed the question in 1897, an editor famously wrote on the front page, “Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. Your little friends are wrong.”

A mother of a third grader made her feelings known Thursday as well.

“Oh, I would be so upset if that happened with my son,” Patrice Pickering said.

So, don we now our gay apparel, knowing for certain that Santa’s visit is just weeks away. And  Santa, if you’re listening, Slattery is still looking for that Porsche.

With no comment form the superintendent, there’s no word on whether the teacher has been offered some guidance on what to say to next year’s class.

Do you think the teacher acted inappropriately? Sound off in our comments section below…

  • Lisa Paolillo Cooper

    I believe there are certain subjects that should not be addressed in elementary school. I don’t believe Santa or the Easter Bunny should be discussed in school, nor should sexuality or anything denying someone’s religious beliefs. Parents are the primary educators of their children.

    • Rodin

      I thought this thread was over.

      Imbecile! Then parents should take the initiative in EDUCATING their children, not lying to them. I show more respect for their capacities in training my Dogs than any of you fantasy procurers do for your children.

      No wonder this country is so far behind every other industrialized nation in education!

  • Former 2nd Grade Teacher

    So, so, so very wrong on many levels. I was an elementary school teacher for many years and yes, little children believe in Santa, The Tooth Ferry and Peter Rabbit. We are not, as teachers, supposed to impart our personal beliefs on subjects we teach our students, we teach the curriculum and enrich it with projects and hands-on teaching. This was a lesson on the North Pole and she could have turned it into a real fun lesson about Santa, his elves, how hard they all work, what was on their lists, etc. I would never think of shattering a youngster’s belief in Santa or any other iconic fantasy figure that we grew up with. Obviously, this is no teacher folks but someone who has no clue about childhood. She needs to teach high schoolers. Shame on her!!!!!

    • Rodin

      And you have no clue about teaching.

      This is not about “personal beliefs.” It’s about truth and fact.

      I have no idea what exactly this teacher said, but I do see this as a tremendous teaching moment where a teacher could be truthful while emphasizing things such as the unselfish love of parents for their children (which in many cases is just as big a myth) so profound that they dream up this marvelous creature, Santa Claus, through whom they secretly gift their children, the pleasure value of giving anonymously and without expecting returns, the value of charity, the value of familial love, the value of recognition of good deeds.

      THAT would be TEACHING. Creativity be damned!

      No, you prefer to adhere to the imbecilic, worthless, useless lies of old. You forget — perhaps don’t even know — that these tales are metaphors with lessons of their own and remain mired in mythical infantilism instead. It IS easier, after all.

      Opportunity wasted.

      • Kristin


        • Rodin

          Does truth have an age limit? You don’t get it, do you? Sad.

          • Jill

            Clearly you have no children, or if you do I feel bad for them. This world is filled with so many harsh realities. So much negativity and our children are innocent for such a short period of time. Why on earth would you want to be personally seponsible for crushing the excitement of a child at Christmas time? They are SEVEN years old!!!!

            • Kristin

              I completely agree with you about everything!! Especially hoping he has no children!! Living in a world like his, so black and white, serious, dramatic,…I could go on,…is absolutely no place for a child!!
              Merry Christmas Jill!

              • Rodin

                You have a split personality? There seems to be two of you.

                1 I can’t hate something I don’t believe exists, gØd. I could care less what anyone believes. I don’t particularly care for those who try to cram their beliefs down everybody else’s throats but I pity them in their obstinacy and self-delusion.

                2 “You had something to say about us saying something to the lady from France…” Jingoism should be declared a disease.

                3 “… but you have something negative to say about what everyone says.” NOT everyone.

                “People seem to be offended by facts, or what used to be called truth.” ~ FRANCIS BACON (1909 – 1992) Irish born British artist

                4 The “preachers” are the believers who are constantly insisting everyone else yield to and accommodate them and their myths while tax exempt.

                While too many “believers”, from Obama to Osama, run amuck shoving their religious slop down everyone’s throat, we nonbelievers must contend with (read ‘tolerate’, roll over and play dead, remain silent) the insidious and growing encroachment of religion on private and public life, especially during the onslaught of the Judeo-Christian holiday season. GØd forbid YOU should be treated in kind.

                I got tired of their blather and respond.

                3 Like I said, I have no children…BY CHOICE. I do have three Dogs. I believe in Dogs and that there is no gØd.

                “A Dog is very religious and its religion is free from superstition. The god it believes in is its master, and that god actually exists, and is actually concerned about its welfare, and actually rewards it and punishes it, on a plan comprehensible to Dogs and meeting with their approval, for its virtues and vices. Dogs need not waste any time over insoluble theological problems. Their god is plainly visible and wholly understandable — they have no need of clergy to guess for them, mislead them and get them into trouble.” ~ H.L. MENCKEN, American journalist, essayist, satirist, acerbic critic of American life and culture, (1880-1956)

                4 I apologize for my education, freedom of thought, and inquiring mind. Sorry if you didn’t get one. I disbelieve thanks to the Catholic Jesuit fathers who taught me to question and doubt. For this I’ll be forever in their debt.

                I’ve given you as much time as I’m willing to while away. Happy Perihelion!

            • Rodin

              Perhaps you should read some of my other posts.

              Why fill their heads with fantasies and leave them unprepared for all the “many harsh realities?” Cabbages are innocent. Children are born with ‘original sin,’ pre-tarnished by parents. Cabbages are innocent.

              “Dogs are blameless, devoid of calculation, neither blessed nor cursed with human motives. They can’t really be held responsible for what they do.
              But we can.” ~ JON KATZ, American journalist and author

              You’re right, I never had children. Didn’t want any. Exposing them to “so many harsh realities,” “so much negativity,” would be no less than child abuse.

              “To be candid, I think the death of a child is never really to be regretted, when one reflects on what he has escaped.” ~ THOMAS HARDY, English poet and novelist (1840 – 1928)

              • Kristin

                Read some of your other posts, that would take all day. It’s ironic, for some one PREACHES so much to have such a candid hatred of God and all who believe in Him. You had something to say about us saying something to the lady from France but you have something negative to say about what everyone says. You can keep using a lot of big words, quoting writers and poets, and going off on rants about God, religion, and a child’s beliefs; you are just a lonely, DRAMA QUEEN.

  • Rodin

    The yearly Judeo-Christian assault on sanity has begun,

    This Season, CELEBRATE REASON!

    • Reggie

      I again back up Kristin when she said— THEY ARE SECOND GRADERS!!!! Glad you’re not any part of my family.

      • Rodin

        Wouldn’t dream of it.

  • elbabar

    Really? 8 years old kids still believe in Santa Claus in this country? News to me, and I’ve live in the US for over a decade. Where I grew up (France), kids know the truth by age 4-5 generally. Anyone entering first grade still believing in Santa would have widely made fun of by their peers.

    I learned there was no Santa by age 3, and still found Christmas to be magical. Why do people think kids need to be lied to in order to have wonder in their eyes?

    • Rodin

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    • Bible Knowledge

      amen…imagine what GOD thinks of parents who tell their children not to tell lies and consistly tell them that GOD expects that of them…..and then years later they find that their parents have all along been lying about Santa Claus, the easter bunny, and the tooth fairy. What a wrongful example they have started with in their Christian training! And the same Bible speaks that GOD would not have false idol worship…so what a way to start off their relationship with GOD while teaching the children to pray to Jesus. And I am a Christian writing this…pls continue to tell the Christian story at Christmas and any other time…but do tell the children that Santa is a derivative story based on a man named Saint Nicholas who gave out gifts and charity to others while serving as a disciple of Christ Jesus…and if you cannot tell them that…then tell them it is an imaginary game and that it is tradition in whatever way it can be said..but not a lie and not a lie that is creating other lies so that the children cannot be told the truth…then it is only a propaganda scheme.

      • Jeva

        You think that it is wrong to let our children enjoy the Santa Claus tradition or what you call the LIE with children, but then you want us to spread the God/Jesus/Christian lie. Don’t tell the children in my family that there is no Santa and I won’t tell the children in your family that there is no God/Jesus/heaven. A little respect for others goes a long way.

        • Rodin

          What “respect” do believers have for anyone not likeminded, ESPECIALLY during the Judeo-Christian onslaught. The uproar and indignation at the slightest questioning to their imbecilic myths!

          That “God/Jesus/heaven” fantasy needs to go as well. “Religion teaches you to be satisfied with nonanswers, It’s a sort of crime against childhood.”


          “‘What shall we tell the children?’ is a superb polemic on how religions abuse the minds of children, by the distinguished psychologist Nicholas Humphrey. Priestly groping of child bodies is disgusting. But it may be less harmful in the long run than priestly subversion of child minds.”
          ~ RICHARD DAWKINS (Real Person)

          “Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt!”


          “I don’t believe in God because I don’t believe in Mother Goose.”
          (a REAL HISTORICAL person)

      • Rodin

        “Santa’s Coming to Town” on a business trip.

        “…do tell the children that Santa is a derivative story based on a man named Saint Nicholas who gave out gifts and charity to others….”

        Excellent advice!

    • MASC4467

      How absolutely sad for you. Just stop pushing your need to stop the happiness down the throats of others.

    • Bradford Tiernan

      If you like the French way, then go back to France, in America, PARENTS DECIDE what they teach and tell their children, NOT A PUBLIC SERVANT TEACHER!

    • Kristin Colletti

      Well, its a good thing we’re not in France then! That teacher is undeniably wrong, and should get reprimanded. I think once a child discovers Santa isn’t real, the magic is gone from Christmas. It isn’t until you’re older when you realize that Christmas is about family. I really hope that if you have a child or children you don’t raise them the way people do in France, because then they can ruin it for their classmates just like this teacher did. You know kids grow up so quickly as it is, I don’t see why you or this teacher would want them doing it any quicker. First graders here do still believe in the magic and joy of Santa, and by you saying they’d be ‘widely made fun of by their peers’ is a way of condoning bullies.

      • Rodin

        @ MASC4467, Bradford Tiernan & Kristin Colletti

        The AUDACITY of a foreigner suggesting what an AMERIKKKAN could do, what people of another country do, to us of the Manifest Destiny, of AmeriKKKan Exceptionalism, the new Chosen People!

        • Kristin

          @ Rodin

          You are one of those conspiracy people aren’t you,…Always has something negative to say about everything,… All we said was that is how they do it in France not here, and it is wrong to say that children should be made fun of for still believing.
          The whole KKK thing is a tad dramatic don’t you think,… Maybe you should find a life outside of preaching on blogs!

          • Rodin

            You got it! Apology accepted.

            “Say anything that you like about me except that I drink water.” – W.C. FIELDS

            • Rodin

              Retired. 40 years teaching experience at all academic levels, grammar thru post grad.

              Preaching? Don’t do blogs. You’re my amusement.

  • Irish Cornaire

    This reminds of when my former step-mum told me when I was 5 yrs old there was no Santa,I recall crying my eyes out and thinking she was such a meanie,glad I’m Wiccan and dont have to deal with this christianity muck or christmas for that matter.

  • Frances Manion

    crappiopa pudding
    we have a failing economy, a failing government, and a failing society kids do not need their belief in Santa Claus attacked as well.
    SHAME on that idiotic teacher for attempting to do the job of a parent.

  • MIKE




    • AlexandraB

      Bah Humbug ! Bet Santa left you coal in your stocking. Ho, Ho, Ho !

      • Rodin

        Coal warms the hearth.

    • gaetano

      You have the right of a parent to tell your children what you believe in. Is it right for a school teacher to tell them that there is no santa claus? NO. That should be the right of the parent. Is it right for a school teacher to tell them that Obama is going to make every one rich from now on . No, why? could the school teacher proove what she says is true? Hell NO. Should she tell them who to vote for in the next election? I am willing to bet that this school teacher had a very sad life .I would like her to proove to me that their is no santa.I would also like her to proove to me that their is no God. If she does’t want to belive,that is her right ,but she better not interfear with the beliefs of my childrens rights.

      • Rodin

        Your logic is so faulty and disjointed it doesn’t merit a response. Just the same, 1) You cannot prove a negative, that something doesn’t exist; 2) the onus is on YOU to prove the existence of gØd, not the other way around; 3) as per Christopher Hitchens, “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence”; 4) a teacher has no obligation to promote lies, on the contrary, a teacher’s duty is to TEACH, not outright lies, but truth, and to correct error and misinformation and to address ignorance..

        So, Gaetano, prove to us the existence of this gØd of your children. Show me. Go for it!

    • Jennifer

      Why does everyone think that all kids believe in Santa Claus? Not all kids are Christian. Parents and teachers can agree to disagree about how this issue should be handled.

      • RAIDER75

        Since when does Santa have anything to do w/Christians? seems to me the belief in Santa has helped erode the true meaning of CHRIST-mas

        • Rodin

          Santa Claus, traced to the 1820s, became popular in the United States and Canada in the 19th century. In the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg, Saint Nicolas, “Sinterklaas”, often called “De Goede Sint,” is commemorated on the evening of December 5, with a celebration called “pakjesavond”. Father Christmas dates back at least as far as the 17th century in Britain St Nicholas and Sinterklaas, merged with the British character Father Christmas to create the character known to Britons and Americans as Santa Claus.

          Source: Wikipedia. See what a little effort can render?

      • Kristin

        Nothing should be said then,… after that little boy made the comment about the North Pole and Santa,… she should have just continued her lesson. There is nothing that anyone can say that would make me believe that this teacher isn’t in the wrong.

        • Rodin

          Because you are too.

    • Kristin Colletti

      Too bad the two of you didn’t take some parenting classes before deciding to have kids. Christmas is about the children and their ability to still believe in magic. You are making it about you and it is incredibly selfish.

  • Gail

    Saint Nicholas (Pls tell the children the truth, they can still play the game of the imagination of Christmas but tell them really where it came from..but stop lying to them)
    Because of the many miracles attributed to his intercession, he is also known as Nikolaos the Wonderworker (Greek: Νικόλαος ο Θαυματουργός, Nikolaos o Thaumaturgos). He had a reputation for secret gift-giving, such as putting coins in the shoes of those who left them out for him, and thus became the model for Santa Claus, whose modern name comes from the Dutch Sinterklaas, itself from a series of elisions and corruptions of the transliteration of “Saint Nikolaos”. His reputation evolved among the faithful, as was common for early Christian saints

    • AlexandraB

      “I don’t believe that there’s one truth.
      There are so many different people, and there are so many different ways you can look at things. I don’t see how there could be just one truth.”

      These quotes, giving vague descriptions of truth, point towards relativism — a doctrine instructing that truth and morality are relative and not absolute. Relativism asserts that what is accepted as truth is relative to a person’s situation or standpoint, and denies that any standpoint is uniquely privileged over all others.

      If truth is relative, then absolute right and wrong become doubtful and obscure. And if truth is relative, then only subjective and indefinite answers exist for the purpose and meaning of life. So is there any absolute or real truth in this complex and uncertain world?

      • Rodin

        As long as we allow blind faith, myth and superstition to trump Fact, Reason and Science, there can be no Truth.

  • Gail

    Attention FOX NEWS and M. Kelley:
    What makes you think you could win a court battle if that teacher decides to sue you all for insulting her on public/cable TV by telling the public that she is LYING? There are many in the USA that would encourage that teacher to sue FOX for insulting her professionalism and even suggesting that she should be discipled. FOR WHAT? TELLING THE TRUTH TO CHILDREN SHE IS ENTRUSTE TO TELL THE TRUTH TO? Rather, Fox News needs to apologize publicly and admonish the teacher for telling truth and also do a special about the real reason the Santa Claus started or maybe they really don’t themselves cause most of their parents lied to them also and they had to go forward in life without knowing the real truth. Study to show thyself approved, is in the Bible New Testament and also is “And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables”. You all want the fable path on your record in heaven? or the truth based on fact?
    Take the time to stu dy about ST. Nicholas and tell the children about him, then you have done right.
    Because of the many miracles attributed to his intercession, he is also known as Nikolaos the Wonderworker (Greek: Νικόλαος ο Θαυματουργός, Nikolaos o Thaumaturgos). He had a reputation for secret gift-giving, such as putting coins in the shoes of those who left them out for him, and thus became the model for Santa Claus, whose modern name comes from the Dutch Sinterklaas, itself from a series of elisions and corruptions of the transliteration of “Saint Nikolaos”. His reputation evolved among the faithful, as was common for early Christian saints

    • Jeva

      Since you are so big on forcing the truth on children without their parents permission,, I feel that it is time to tell you that heaven and some big daddy in the sky are also myths.

      • Bible Knowledge

        what is wrong with ‘forcing truth’ instead of ‘forcing lies’?…aren’t the parents ‘forcing lies’ about santa…even some parents don’t want to tell their children the truth after many years and many will say…’well, the children will find out at school anyway from someone’…that is how I found out… indeed these two year olds were given some truth and that must have been quite a conversation with their parents telling them that the teacher has lied (when the teacher told the truth just not in the parent’s timing).

        • jeva

          The teacher does not get to usurp parental authority. If the teacher is non-Christian, do you support her telling Christian second grade students that there is no God, Jesus or heaven, that that is also just a myth?

          • Rodin

            “You can’t teach an old dogma new tricks.” ~ DOROTHY PARKER

  • Roy Watson

    How are your children ever going to believe you whenever you tell them something true, if you have lied about santa claus and the easterter bunny all of their lives. Those holiday’s are pagan and Christmas was set aside by the world for the birth of JESUS CHRIST and EASTER is the when JESUS CHRIST destoryed the grave and rose into HEAVEN to be with OUR FATHER of HEAVEN and his Father. Stop being PAGAN, and come to JESUS CHRIST and repent of your sins and this TRUTH will set you free.

    • Saitaina

      actually, December 25th was a pagan holiday before Christians corrupted and molested it, turning it into the birthday of their ‘savior’, so why don’t you stop being Christian and return to the old religions.

      No? Then stop telling the rest of us who don’t believe in your god and your messiah how to celebrate something.

      • Jen

        Astrology and Astronomy by the way.

    • AlexandraB

      Roy, thank God this is just your opinion, as I believe a good percentage of us out here don’t share it. You may just be mixing apples and oranges here. One can believe in Santa and the birth of Jesus Christ at the same time. Jesus loved children and I don’t think he would have acted out being a Grinch in telling them there was no Santa if He knew ‘make believe’ brought them ‘harmless’ pleasure. ‘Make believe’ is a natural healthy state in childhood.. In children it is a magical time in their lives before they step into adulthood and have the chance to make their ‘Make believe’ come true. Also many children who believe in the Birth of Baby Jesus go to church on Christmas day, and sing songs of praise for HIS birth.

      • Gail

        AlexandraB, I wouldn’t be so sure that Christ approves of all our types of traditions/customs….but He is tolerant and thank GOD He represents us.
        Jesus was raised on doctrine of the Laws of Moses in which many misinterpreted them. Now read this about the early use of trees with adornment as that is really the beginnings of the Christmas tree…so it is that He might feel the same way about lying about Santa to the children.
        Using a tree with decorations is written about in the Bible (Jeremiah 10:3,4)
        “For the customs of the people are vain; for one cuttth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.”
        Now the LORD was telling Jeremiah about the heathen and how they worshipped…so be glad that Christ paid for the sins for those that believe…and Christmas is still a good time to share the gospel. Yet the Santa story, the decorations on the trees…they will all perish away…but the gospel of Christ will continue even amongst our celebrations and whatever we call them. I happen to like Christmastime and hope to continue to…but tell the children the ‘truth’ that Santa is based on a man named Saint Nikolaos and continued as a tradition/custom and that they may have fun in the entertainment of the imaginative Santa but don’t lie to them.

        • AlexandraB

          Hi Gail,
          Yes Christmas is based on Saint Nikolaos, and this would have been a good time for the teacher to tell the children this and TEACH them something about the tradition of Santa Claus….just like telling them about the editorial that answered the question, “Is there a Santa Claus”? Yes, Virginia There is a Santa Claus. Check it out at:
          Teachers are suppose to teach….and a smart teacher knows how to handle this kind of question with facts . It also teaches kinds to think for themselves, and not take whoever feeds them their opinions or biases as the truth. I bet if the teacher had even just said to the class, What do you think? A lot of wonderful stories would have come from the children based on their personal experiences. Then it could have been followed up with the response in the
          editorial at the site I posted above. Merry Christmas!

      • Rodin

        “One can believe in Santa and the birth of Jesus Christ at the same time.”

        Both lies.

  • Gail

    What is happening to the America that wants their children not to lie and to learn to trust their parents in honor to GOD who made us all? Who are you to encourage lying on Fox News to many who are discovering that lying to their children about a false image of Santa will only result in their encouragement of leading their own children to distrust and lying. That lie of Santa doesn’t have to be a lie… can be truth at an early age that people like to dress up like an imaginery man named Santa and the real story came from a dedicated believer in GOD and Christ who gave gifts out as He preached the gospel. Why not tell the children the truth and let them enjoy the imaginery game of Santa? I have met children who tell me when they play that they are using their imagination so some parents do tell their children the truth, who are you to encourage that the teacher was wrong in telling a truth (perhaps not at the timing that all would like but maybe encouraged by GOD that it is time to tell these children that Santa is imaginery, a game. Why persist in angering GOD who teaches us to love one another in admonition to GOD? Think about it, a young child looks up to their parents as the parents look up to their Maker and expects to learn the right path…They hear that false story for several years and one day their best friend tells them it was a game all those years, yet the child has been in church hearing his/her peers tell that GOD wouldn’t have you lie to one another. But then they come home and ask their parents the truth and have to convince them that it is a lie, and then the parents give in and say..oh, it was cute but yes it wasn’t really all true. Would you trust those parents?

    • AlexandraB

      The teacher failed to take the opportunity to teach. Why didn’t she share the famous editorial “Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus” . She could have had the class look up the editorial or pull it up on the internet.
      Eight-year-old Virginia O’Hanlon wrote a letter to the editor of New York’s Sun, and the quick response was printed as an unsigned editorial Sept. 21, 1897. The work of veteran newsman Francis Pharcellus Church has since become history’s most reprinted newspaper editorial, appearing in part or whole in dozens of languages in books, movies, and other editorials, and on posters and stamps.

      • Jennifer

        Whatever happened to the separation between church and state?

        • Rodin

          The religious right, the ‘moral majority’, the Tea Party nut cases, the cowering, catering GOP establishment are eroding it.

          “When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.” ~ SINCLAIR LEWIS

    • Rodin

      GØd is the first lie.

  • Al

    I thought schools did not teach fantasies so I support the Teacher

    • AlexandraB

      You miss the point, Al. Go to the website and read the reply….the answer given is very real…not fantasy.

  • 2graces

    I’m stunned that there is such an outrage over a teacher telling students that Santa is not real, when there is no such media attention given to the everyday occurence of teachers’ denial that God and Jesus are real. Teachers are ostracized for disputing the reality of Santa but supported for suppressing all talk of Jesus??? We are a mixed-up society!

    • Gail

      That’s right 2graces…yet the teacher was called mean by Megyn Kelley (mean? for telling a truth?). Kelley should apologize to the teacher as she knows that Santa is a myth…ask Kelley if she wants to have her lie on her record in Heaven for misleading those watching Fox news regarding that story today. Rather Kelley should be apologizing and stating that today’s Santa is a myth but based on a real person in the Catholic church who was known for giving out gifts and charity while preaching the gospel of Christ. The same is true about Halloween (except no santa)…it was originally ‘All Saint’s Day’ as a yearly celebration but of course some weren’t happy that the gospel was being preached and they started a day before with costumes which resulted in our Halloween Day. All Saints Day was a day to honor GOD (hallow be His name) by honoring the disciples that gave to helping get the gospel news known. Learn the real truth Kelley and how Santa and the fun of Santa can be utilized but not under the pretense of a LIE. I know children who have been told that Santa is a game and they enjoy playing it knowing that it really isn’t true but they also know the real truth of how Christmas and Santa came about. The teacher is not cruel, perhaps inappropriate that day but hey she may well be a hero…cause someone needs to tell people to stop lying to their children (for years also) and then telling their children they were only playing a game! How foolish, I wouldn’t trust that parent to believe them. In fact I was pretty disillusioned when I came out of that lie when I learned the truth, not by my own parents, but from other schoolkids and teachers!


    We think she should have to write “there really is a Santa Clause” at least 100 times.

  • TSK

    Teach the children that playing Pretend is fun. We all pretend about Santa, The Easter Bunny, and such. Encourage them to have fun with the pretending, just as we adults do. When we teach them to just believe anything we say, we perpetuate all sorts of cultural evils, such as racism and anti-semantics.
    Allow them to make their own decision over time, and the world will be a more intelligent place.

    • Gail

      TSK, well stated! telling the children it is a game and having a good time with them does not create a distrust as telling them lies that they know eventually they will find out. I thank GOD there are people like you helping their children.
      Hope others will soon discover the truth about the lie of Christmas with using Santa instead of the celebration of learning to ‘love thy neighbor as thyself”.

  • Bill Vanderploeg

    Some of these comments are really disturbing. Are we that jaded of a society that we can’t let 7/8 year old kids still believe there is a Santa? Once we lose our innocence and childhood you can’t get it back.

    All these media outlets are not relaying the full context of the story. During Geography the teacher pointed out the North Pole and one of the kids blurted out that this is where Santa lives. The teacher could have simple ignored the statement or diverted it in some manner but the teacher chose to go the other route. This could easily been avoided.

    • fmfallon

      Everyone just shut up and let the kid have his own belief. You’re all making a big deal, more than the teacher’s gaff. Grow up parents.

    • [Anonymous]

      You are correct that she could have handled it better, and the teacher knows that too. That is why she spoke to every single parent, and apologized to her students. I still fail to see what has been gained by making this into a local, state, and now national spectacle. She apologized to the students and the students accepted the apology.

  • Rodin

    “Just think of the tragedy of teaching children not to doubt!”


  • p8nt

    Perhaps these parents should go and teach their children that the holiday season isn’t about receiving gifts, and more about giving, and appreciating what you have. No wonder most of today’s kids are inept and incompetent.

    • Saitaina

      There’s more to the Santa Clause mythology then ‘getting gifts’, go re-read the legends. Charity, hope, dreams, kindness…all things I want to inspire in my children (once you get past the horrid child abuse in some of those stories, that we can do without)

  • Nick

    And these parents wonder why their children grows up to be lying sacks of turds with no morals. Lies Lies Lies. Always more Lies.

    And it’s “horrible” when the Lies are exposed. Stupid turds.

  • Rodin

    Is CBS blocking my posts? I suspect so.

    • Rodin

      At least my replies?

  • [Anonymous]

    I have a family member that works at the school. As soon as the teacher said it, she knew she shouldn’t have. She spoke to every single parent on the phone and apologized to the students. I’m not sure what else people want her to do. And if this is all about protecting the innocence of the students, then why did a parent call in the news? Blowing things out of proportion does more damage than a teacher’s mistake ever will. There are truly incompetent teachers out there who can never be fired, and a good one makes a mistake [which she acknowledged and handled immediately] and she must be removed?

    • [Anonymous]

      P.S. The students all accepted her apology, why can’t all of you? And to the parent who decided to call the news, What would Santa [or Jesus for that matter] say about slandering someone for a simple mistake, and disrupting the education of their children with a media fiasco, all for 15 seconds of TV fame?

      • LK

        I think that is the whole problem of telling your children there is a Santa–they equate that with GOD–Santa is a fairy tale–GOD is for real. When I was a kid the neighborhood bully told me there isn’t any santa, I ran and told my mom and she took his side–talk about devastating!!

    • Allys

      Thank you for being a voice of reason! I don’t condone what happened, but people do make mistakes. The teacher can’t take back what was said, and really did everything that could be done to make it right. These kids would have forgotten all about this by now if there weren’t news vans parked outside of their school. The reaction this has drawn has been so ridiculous and the comments being made are unbelievable. It is now our children who are paying the price for an attention seeking parent who has caused this massive disruption in their education.

  • Rodin

    “That’s horrible. That’s so untrue and it’s horrible.”

    But the teacher was truthful and would be punished for it? Only in fantasizing, infantilizing AmeriKKKa. The liars and deceivers are the parents.

    Teach truth to children, not fantasies. You can still tell fairy tales as lessons, without the accompanying deceit. Truth is the better lesson.

    • Frank

      “AmeriKKKa”? You are disgusting. A black version of DanTe.

      What if Santa in popular folklore was BLACK?

      No r e parations for you. Except of course for MY tax dollars that you and your family probably continue to live off. And with the way things are going, y’all could also lose that as sooner or later.

      • Rodin

        No, I’m a white version of DanTe.

        FRANKly, I have no clue what color DanTe is nor do I care, although we often spar here. Color matters only to racist bigots, MR. AmeriKKKa. You’e a perfect example.



      • Rodin

        Didn’t know Santa was a ‘religion’. Good luck with that lawsuit. Maybe you should go for ‘defamation’ on behalf of Santa instead. And good luck producing the evidence.

        • Rodin

          PS –

          BTW, you are twice the liar:
          1 There is no Santa.
          2 You don’t believe in him.

  • Kathy

    Let the children in school watch Miracle on 42nd Street. That should prove the teacher wrong. It will also teach the “so called teacher” that there certainly is a Santa Claus.

    • Jean

      I agree, but maybe they should watch “Miracle on 34th St” That was the title when I watched it.
      About the teacher, it’s not her place. Santa is a fantasy parents can let their children believe, if they wish. It’s harmless, like the Tooth Fairy. Over time, they grow out of it. Why must we rush them to grow up so fast? Let them be children, at least for a little while.

      • Rodin

        Kathy is not a New Yorker, hasn’t got a clue where Macy’s is.

  • Sarah

    The techer is a Jew let’s be honest . End of story .

    • Saitaina

      Wow, that was rude. How does her saying there is no Santa become ‘she’s a jew’? I know many people of the Jewish faith who promote the Santa mythos to other children and many of other faiths (including Christians) who ruin it.

    • H

      No, the teacher is Asian.

      • Rodin

        Only bigots, racists and xenophobes would care.

    • jeff

      Your worst then the teacher with that ignorant statement. I can only imagine the household you grew up in… end of story is sadly morons like you will always be around…

      • Not Pretty

        Your worst then the teacher with that ignorant statement.

        You are = You’re, not Your. And than is spelled t-h-a-n. Thanks for spelling “ignorant” correctly.

        • Rodin

          He’s right on substance.

          You have no argument so you choose to nitpick, ridicule and insult. Typical!

    • Joe Schmo

      It is Rockland County. Very possible.

      • Jill Schmo

        And that means what exactly? It’s Rockland County? Seriously?

  • J Gordon

    The teacher should also tell the students the truth about god being only a myth.

  • Loretta Craft

    I think the School system is this country just keep over stepping their boundaries. Teachers are here to teach to the best of their ability, its the parents who decide what their children should be told. And Virginia of course there is a Santa Claus. Keep believing. And let your hopes and dreams take you as far as you want to go in life.

  • Mike in pearl river

    Way to go Channel 2 news. The real issue here is not the teacher who took it upon herself to ruined it for 23 students but the news channel who snuck the story into 23 million kids in the tri state area. Good job. We all know that was the plan anyway

    • Maureen

      Thank you!!! This is a non-story that had already been dealt with. Now parents have to figure out how to explain to their children why the media vultures are hanging around outside of their school.

    • LetItBe

      Exactly Mike! And let’s not forget whoever the inconsiderate parent was that called channel 12 in the first place. Why everyone not even in the district needed to be involved is beyond me. My kids, who aren’t even at Miller have heard there’s something going on with Santa now and want to know. So now we may ruin it for everyone. Stupid!

      • Saitaina

        Simply tell them that a teacher was mistaken about Santa Clauses identity and he forgives her (seems like something the jolly ol’ man would do, he’s a rather gracious fellow in modern tales).

  • Lauren T.

    So you’re telling me that the teacher should’ave nodded her head and agreed with her because one christian child pointed out where “Santa” lives. So by agreeing with this students, she is going against other children who have a different faith. By chance another child of a different faith knows that Santa isn’t real, so by a teacher telling him/her this it will make him confused. This is a public school system. She stated a fact. Religion should not be apart of government run schools.

    • Mike in pearl river

      Here is a thought…The separation of church and state was added to stop the government from going after your religion. Not religion going after government. AKA the freedom of religion. She could have just said ” ask your parents for that answer” and left it at that.

      • Rodin

        That’s a novel interpretation of the Establishment Clause. Who woulda thunk it?

        How about Freedom FROM religion?

        • Mike in pearl river

          Rodin, your free from it. It was always the fault of your college professor or some second grade teacher that makes you so angry. Do you feel better now. Good luck. Merry Holiday AKA God bless, Merry Christmas.

          • Rodin

            Seems to me he who is angry is you. How touchy. A tad insecure when your beliefs are questioned?

            And a Happy Perihelion to you!

            • Mike in pearl river

              Na, not at all. I deal with libs like you all the time. I found that getting angry at you only makes you happy. Not insecure just disappointed.

              • Rodin

                My, we are all about assumptions today!

                1 Nonbelievers are angry. “The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.” ~ GEORGE BERNARD SHAW

                2 I was Jesuit educated. They made me curious, not angry. They made me question; they made me doubt; they made me think, for all of which I am grateful.

                3 Your anger affects my mood in no way. Delusions of grandeur? Your arrogance and attitude are laughable. When I ‘lost’ gØd, I lost the fear oif death. THAT made me happy.

                4 My view on “libs”: scratch a Liberal, find a Fascist. I am a realist and, in the real world, not everything is as neatly compartmentalized and predictable as in yours. “Say anything that you like about me except that I drink water.” ~ W.C. FIELDS

                Disappointed? Expectations, as in your codensed, orderly, miniscule universe, lead to disappointments. “The only world that won’t disappoint me is the one I make up.” ~ FRANCIS BACON

    • billy joe

      shut up u dont kno wut ur talkin about

      • AlexandraB

        Billy Joe… Do you know our first Amendment ? I can’t believe you don’t …try to respect it for the sake of all of us. Blessings !

    • Georgia Faye Sebeniecher

      I don’t know of any religion that has Santa Claus in it, I think you are getting Santa and Christ confused. Christianity is not based on Santa Claus. Religion has nothing to do with this.

      • Saitaina

        Thank you. Now if only I could explain that to my family when they accuse me of being greedy just because I celebrate the secular Christmas (Santa, goodwill towards men, giving fun things to friends and family to make them smile).

    • Disgusted in Nanuet

      OH DEAR GOD! You didn’t really just say that did you? SERIOUSLY??? It’s Santa! I am assuming you are of another faith and were jealous all your childhood that you didn’t have something as fun as Santa Claus to look forward to every year!

      • George from Nanuet

        Santa is not part of the religion. THere are some Christians who equate Santa with Satan.

  • LetItBe

    I live in Nanuet and know the school and the teacher. Stop reporting on it and ruining it for anyone else who may read these articles. Shame on the person who called the media into this to begin with. No need to bring even more attention to the matter. What about the beautiful playground that was built in Nanuet by the community just over a month ago. Didn’t see any news cameras there showing the excitement and dedication of the community…Oh that’s right, no controversy there. Just a FUN story. Leave it alone already.

    • Kirby the ELF

      The teacher IS NO GOOD..PERIOD not just for this but other stuff as you KNOW..She is a Grinchette!

    • mo

      You know the teacher so, obviously you will stand up for her. How dare she destroy the dreams of 7 year old children. Shame on you for thinking she was right in giving this kind of lesson to second graders…not part of the curriculum and certainly not her job to do so…and quite frankly…what does building a playground in the community have to do with this teachers lack of professionalism?….many, many communities do wonderful things for the school districts that go unnoticed by the media…one has nothing to do with the other subject.

      • Allys

        I don’t think anyone is standing up for the teacher’s actions, the point being made by LetItBe is that this was already handled and should have been let go. Now instead of the kids in the class being exposed to this revelation, any kid who was coming and going from school is wondering what is going on. And the relevance of the playground is that this community did a wonderful thing just a few weeks ago and tried to get media coverage and no one cared. No one would cover it. But some fool calls the media about a minor controversy and all of a sudden Channel 2 shows up in Nanuet. It is ridiculous and should have been over and done with days ago.

      • LetItBe

        I didn’t say I stand up for her. I am saying that the press coverage is ridiculous. Did this make your life better for knowing this happened and you’re not in the district? Did this make it better that it is all over the place for other children to now hear and possibly ruin their belief? I in no way in that paragraph say I condone in it or stand up for her. I am thankful that my kids weren’t in the class. Go back and read that MO! Again, I was talking about the coverage of a Nanuet situation, go back and read that again.

  • Maurizio Pagano

    How dare a second-grade teacher teach her kids the truth! Those who wish to protect their children from hearing anything their parents don’t wish for them to hear should home-school their children and keep them under lock-and-key 24/7.

    • Michel Kelley

      Quack, you sound like a Union rep fighting a losing battle. Good luck with that excuse. The real issue here is the attempt to attack a religious holiday by a town employee. We Pay her paycheck, she gets to impose her thoughts on our kids. Thats how it works now. We lost control of our schools years ago. This is something that goes on every day in a lot of schools. I also have to give a shout out to channell 2 news for helping her spread her word. Like children of all ages were not watching the news tonight. It was a great way to jump on board. I would expect nothing less of this channel

      • FRT

        Little kids don’t watch the news. Sorry to burst your bubble.

        • Mike Kelley

          Mine does. I am sorry that I made the mistake of leaving channel 2 news on. I will be better at what I leave on .

        • LetItBe

          Uh, I have the news on every night while making dinner, FRT and we are all in the kitchen together as a family doing homework, setting the table, etc and the television is in the den right in ear shot from the kitchen! So while my kids may not be “watching” it, they hear the name of a school that they attended just 2/3 years ago and the words SANTA CLAUS and they stop dead in their tracks…sorry to BURST YOUR BUBBLE!

  • li teacher

    I am a 6th grade teacher and I still say there is a Santa Claus.

    • Scott

      That’s becuase your awsome : )

    • Rodin

      Rampant infantilism!

      A 6th grader is around 11 years old. Isn’t it about time? They’re in middle school. Next year it’ll be junior high and puberty. Then they’ll be sexting. Disrobed Santas, maybe?

  • Ellen

    The teacher is full of hum bug as Scourge would say. These are little children who dame right well deserve a childhood, and Santa is a big part of that innocence found only in childhood. What should have been said is ‘ The North Pole is a magical place that only Santa knows where it’s at, and the rest of us just imagine where it is.” Bad teacher who knows nothing about being jolly, and Santa will give that one nothing but coal in his or her’s stocking. That’s for sure.

  • Cos

    You know, the same could be said about God… The correct answer should’ve been, “Everyone has their own belief’s about Santa. There is a St. Nicholos – according to Catholic religion. But, you should ask your parents for more information.” That would not have made the news and it would have thrown the perverbial ‘ball’ in the parents court.

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with parents teaching their children about Santa, the Tooth Fairy, God, or any other questionable character. So long as the character in question is seen as peaceful and loveable.

    On a side note, there is nothing wrong with children believing in Santa. As a matter of fact, it can often help in keeping their behavior at bay – even if only during the Holiday season.

    In my opinion, Santa does exist – just not in the way he’s often depicted. He’s not a robust man who dresses up every year and delivers kids presents. He lives in all of us.

  • RingaDingDing

    Santa IS real. Get over it.

  • Virginia O'Hanlon

    DEAR EDITOR: I am 8 years old.
    Some of my friends say there is no Santa Claus.
    Papa says, ‘If you see it on 1010WINS it’s so.’
    Please tell me the truth; is there a Santa Claus?

    • Clark A

      Of course there is a Santa. I am going to visit with him this Saturday at the Rockefeller Center, as I’m coming from CT

    • Kate

      :) VIRGINIA, your little friends are wrong. They have been affected by the skepticism of a skeptical age. They do not believe except [what] they see. They think that nothing can be which is not comprehensible by their little minds. All minds, Virginia, whether they be men’s or children’s, are little. In this great universe of ours man is a mere insect, an ant, in his intellect, as compared with the boundless world about him, as measured by the intelligence capable of grasping the whole of truth and knowledge.

      Yes, VIRGINIA, there is a Santa Claus. He exists as certainly as love and generosity and devotion exist, and you know that they abound and give to your life its highest beauty and joy. Alas! how dreary would be the world if there were no Santa Claus. It would be as dreary as if there were no VIRGINIAS. There would be no childlike faith then, no poetry, no romance to make tolerable this existence. We should have no enjoyment, except in sense and sight. The eternal light with which childhood fills the world would be extinguished.

      Not believe in Santa Claus! You might as well not believe in fairies! You might get your papa to hire men to watch in all the chimneys on Christmas Eve to catch Santa Claus, but even if they did not see Santa Claus coming down, what would that prove? Nobody sees Santa Claus, but that is no sign that there is no Santa Claus. The most real things in the world are those that neither children nor men can see. Did you ever see fairies dancing on the lawn? Of course not, but that’s no proof that they are not there. Nobody can conceive or imagine all the wonders there are unseen and unseeable in the world.

      You may tear apart the baby’s rattle and see what makes the noise inside, but there is a veil covering the unseen world which not the strongest man, nor even the united strength of all the strongest men that ever lived, could tear apart. Only faith, fancy, poetry, love, romance, can push aside that curtain and view and picture the supernal beauty and glory beyond. Is it all real? Ah, VIRGINIA, in all this world there is nothing else real and abiding.

      No Santa Claus! Thank God! he lives, and he lives forever. A thousand years from now, Virginia, nay, ten times ten thousand years from now, he will continue to make glad the heart of childhood.

  • NYer in NJ

    Seriously, this is an issue? And it makes it into the news?
    My kids have always known tha the Tooth Fairy doesn’t exist; it’s right there with Santa.
    Smh that parents still perpetuate this nonsense!

    • Santa's Helper

      Great attitude…. I see the swamps and industrial pollution of NJ have effected your sense of spirit… Glad to see you no longer reprsent us NYers.

      • NYer in NJ

        ‘Spirit’, really? Santa has nothing to do with ‘spirit’. There are plenty of ways of being in the holiday spirit, telling the kids fairy tales and passing them off as the truth is not part of that. If you want to include Santa, there are better ways to do that than by lying to your kids.

        And, by the way, learn to spell: it’s ‘affected’ not ‘effected’. But then again, if you go to a public school where they make you believe in fairy tales, spelling is probably not very high on your list of priorities or the school’s agenda.

  • Marcel Dimanche

    I have said the same thing to my children, and we still enjoy Christmas and Santa. We make a fuss over nothing, we are attention seekers.

  • diver

    I’m 61 and still tramatized from when I found out that Santa wasn’t real 10 years ago.

    • Marcel Dimanche

      You need to find something to do. At 61 you are tramatized over Santa?

    • Blasterific

      Wait huh I am 43, now you are telling me there is no Santa! *sniff sniff* Oh the horror.

  • Jones

    And I’m sure that it now goes for any other kids that happen to be reading above. Way to go c B.S. Anything for a story.

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