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N.Y. Lawmaker Wants Fines For Straphangers Who Eat On The Subway

State Sen. Bill Perkins Says Complaints About Rodents Led To $250 Fine Idea

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Two subway riders chow down on bagels (credit: CBS 2)

Two subway riders chow down on bagels (credit: CBS 2)

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NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — A local lawmaker want to clamp down on eating on the subway with fines.

In one viral video, a woman told another who was eating spaghetti on the subway, “animals eat on the train,” and got a face full of pasta in response. That encounter helped ignite a debate over food in the subway.

A ban was proposed but never passed, but where the MTA couldn’t get it done, State Sen. Bill Perkins plans to propose a $250 fine.

Perkins said riders are always complaining to him about rodents.

LISTEN: 1010 WINS’ Sonia Rincon reports 


“Those rats feed off of what we eat or discard in the system. You feed them, you breed them,” he told CBS 2′s Ann Mercogliano. “Not only are they on the tracks, they’re on the seats. Sometimes they even come off out of the subway.”

“If you look in the subway on track, you’ll see them eating pizza,” he told 1010 WINS’ Sonia Rincon.

For busy subway riders, taking away their food on the subway is like taking away their MetroCards.

“I don’t think that would work,” said Kiley Olsen of the Lower East Side, munching on a bagel. “I would still eat on the train.”

One straphanger wouldn’t mind a ban, and said having a meal on your way to work is just plain rude.

“Definitely eating a meal on the subway, that’s a little obnoxious,” said Michael Friedman of the Upper East Side.

Riders aren’t so sure that such a proposal could be enforced.

“It’s like, some of people’s only free time is to like be on the train to eat,” said Olsen.

The MTA said it studying the new proposal.

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  • here’s how to get this done

    1. Get on the train
    2. Take out your food. Preferably something hot and watery like Chinese food or a big slice of pizza. You get the idea.
    3. Sit next to a Hipster or Yuppie with a kid in a stroller. The kid in the stroller thing is key here.
    4. “Accidentally” spill some of your food on the floor or on yourself on near the Hipster or Yuppie.
    5. Pretend that you didn’t even notice that you spilled any food and continue to eat.
    6. That’s it. Done.
    7. Now wait to hear from your local Politician that no one can ever eat food on the subway again. Why? Because that Politician received about 100 emails and tweets and facebook posts about the disgusting slobs that eat on the subway and what is he gonna do about it now or he’s not gonna get voted for the next time around.
    8. Pat yourself on the back for finding a solution to the problem without doing too much yourself.
    9. Trust me, it works.

  • Karl

    Isn’t Bill Perkins a friend of Carl Kruger’s?

    Maybe he should fess up about this….

    http://politicsinbrooklyn.blogspot.com/2012/01/political-buffoonery-brought-to-you-by.html

  • i knew this was gonna happen…

    …as soon as nancy “mrs. paul mccartney” shevell resigned her position on the board of the mta, stuff is starting to get crazy. i told you all before that woman was keepin’ it all together. you watch what happens. you’ll see. they’ll be trying to get people to stop peeing on the platforms then what are we gonna do? this city is going to hell. what a shame.

  • N.

    Many years ago, I worked in a legal word processing department. Staff got to have the leftovers from the partners’ meals, and I happily walked down the hall with a plate. The cleaning lady walked past me and I smiled in greeting.

    “Hair floats,” she said, gravely.

    It’s the last time I’ve eaten in a public space that is not a restaurant nor park.

    That’s the thing that creeps me out about people eating on the subway. You have no idea what sort of human detritus is floating around in those cars. Blech.

  • Terry T

    Obviously this Senator has a lot free times on his hands. There’s no reason to fine somebody for eating on the train. Maybe this is the one time they got a chance to eat, who knows! I don’t eat on the train, but I don’t see why if I don’t do something that makes somebody else doing it wrong. As for those who are “grossed out” by this, you really do need to get out more and interact with more people.

  • CSI

    Not going to happen.

  • NYCISACESSPOOL

    WHERES SHILL PERKINS WHEN THE MTA IS RAISING THE FAIR AND CUTTING SERVICE,OR IS IT HE HASNT GOTTEN ANY FACETIME LATELY……SHILL PERKINS CAN DROP DEAD

  • call me old fashion

    I do not agree with legislating behavior like eating however, what takes place on the subway demonstrates the lack of respect people have for themselves and society. Etiquette is something that should be taught in the home. Unfortunately, the breakdown of the traditional household with family values, self-respect and consideration for your neighbors has led to the issues raised in this article.

  • Richard

    Apart from whether it’s rude to eat on the subway or not, it’s wrong, period. What kind of humans have we become if we don’t eat where we’re supposed to eat, crap where we’re supposed to crap, and talk loud where we’re supposed to talk loud, etc. Are you telling me people don’t have time to eat at home or in a restaurant? Then they’re living wrong lives in the first place. As for fines, I think 250 is not high enough; more like 2000 is high enough. How long does it take to eat food on the subway? It can take just as long at home or in the place where the food was purchased.

    • RJ O’Guillory

      …what fascinating pathology,…why would anyone even care about where someone was grabbing a bite,…or felt the need to pre-suppose and judge where “someone should eat”,….(the rat thing is BS, stop littering=no rats)….but to feel as though people who are simply grabbing a bite,…to paint those folks as ” living wrong lives in the first place.”,….. ? ….where does that judgmental crap come from?….amazing…

      Regards,

      RJ O’Guillory
      Author-
      Webster Groves-The Life of an Insane Family

    • jiminsc

      this is America and so far there isn’t a law against being rude. if there were, most of New Yorkers would be in jail. besides that, it is not the governments job to decide such things. this is just another freedom the government will take from us if we let them. even if you dont like people eating on the train you should stand for their right to do it because the next time it may be you who is told “no”.

    • TroyG

      Oh great, you are a semi-literate hall monitor. Please go back to your safety patrol and hall monitor days and leave the adults alone.

    • gjk

      Dear Richard,

      Mom here. How many times have i had to tell you that the whole world is not as anal-retentive as you grew up to be. People have eaten food on the subway since it’s inception and there’s no reason to stop now.

      Now, passing a law that keeps people from calling each other animals, that might have some value.

    • landon

      sadly, some people have to work two, or even three jobs, to make ends meet, and in doing so, the only place or time they have to eat, is while traveling between jobs. get over your self.

  • Lamar Miller

    I was interviewed this morning by CBS and quite a few others in the car said they didn’t mind and neither do I; funny, our comments weren’t included. If feeding rodents is the main issue then the MTA should be addressing littering–not eating. I don’t regularly eat on the subway, but I have like other normal people. Only the “stush” (aka pompous) have a problem with it…its a reason for them to look down there noses at people who don’t have the time to sit at a table.

  • ARNEL

    THE EATING AND DRINKING ON SUBWAYS SHOULD BE ILLEGAL. YEARS AGO THERE WERE SIGNS. THERE SHOULD BE EXCEPTIONS LIKE TYPE 1 DIABETIC

    • gjk

      i’ve lived in NY 59 years and don’t remember such ‘signs.’

      On the other hand, typing in caps only . . .

  • David

    This is absolutely ridiculous. This is another case of the government getting too big and trampling on our rights as citizens. If I want to eat my breakfast on the subway, nobody should be able to tell me not to.

  • milan

    Well another smart ass from the government
    the PROBLEM IS NOT EATING in subway or anywhere else
    the PROBLEM IS LITTERING that people do NOT keep their surrounding clean after them self
    it should be fined for littering not for eating
    Please address the right issue here and not something else Mr Perkins

  • Z

    Can we get a ban on sick people on the train first?

    • Lou

      YES! I much rather have a law against being coughed or sneezed on…that will be next, coming to a town near us!

  • Yay more laws :\

    Sigh guess I’ll have to get used to one meal a day…dinner

  • USA

    People should Wait until they exist the system, but that’s not going to happen. The coffee drinkers really get on my last nerve in the A.M.

    In Las Vegas, you’re not allowed to bring any beverage or food containers on their buses.

    • gjk

      What happens in Las Vegas should stay in Las Vegas.

    • guyaboveiswrong

      Kill yourself. You won’t be offended by anything you see if you do.

  • lummmpy

    this idea is about the stupidest one yet.
    i know the MTA is trying to run a business and make more money off their riders.
    but with all the service cuts and everything i think they should just shut down the entire subway, pave the tracks and let pedestrians and cyclists use the tunnels instead. it would be faster anyway half the time.

  • Gail

    What a great idea! Americans should try a little self-discipline and self-restraint and perhaps a little individual responsibility.

  • RJ OGuillory

    ….goodbye America,…welcome to the third world,….. :(
    —————————————-

    The U.S. of Hollow

    Junior demons litter the culture,
    sucking up all that’s left.
    The Elder knew how to pick em’
    The Boy claimed no such heft.
    Picked apart and long picked over,
    our bird of Giving Thanks.
    America, finally laid to rest,
    by her own traitorous Yanks.
    Liberty & Freedom,
    need no such plan to follow,
    bleeding slowly across our land,
    The United States of Hollow.
    -
    RJ O’Guillory /Author/ Webster Groves-The Life of an Insane Family

  • liz

    I agree! It is disgusting to watch someone chow down a sloppy smelly sandwich or a plate of spaghetti riding on the subway. There are no boundaries anymore. People do whatever they want wherever they want with absolutely no regard for the other people aound them.

    • Robert Moses

      Then let’s get rid of the problem by getting rid of the subway system.

    • Michelle

      You must work regular hours at a regular job that allows you to eat lunch at your desk or break room. Because I don’t, I work you jobs back to back and my only time to eat sometimes is riding on the train.

      • BF

        I’ve had to do the same, Michelle. I hear you.

  • john

    if you stop the riders from eating bagels, they will surely eat oneanother

  • John Smith

    To be honest this is America and if people can eat in their cars, they can eat on the subways. Yes rodents are a problem but some people need to eat and should have the freedom to do so. We are already gouged enough for everything in the city as it is. Be reasonable. This is not a communist country. Lets not act like it.

  • Agon

    Criminalizing normal, otherwise legal behavior is NOT the civilized way.
    They tried to ban eating (and drinking) before, but there was too much protest. How does having a politician propose this ban make it more acceptable? Or is this (as I suspect) just another publicity stunt on a slow Sunday?

  • Robert Moses

    The easiest and most obvious solution is to SHUT DOWN all public transportation. It’s also the most patriotic solution because REAL Americans drive everywhere.

    • s.f. peaches

      I hope you’re joking about that. The traffic in NYC is already a nightmare.

      • Robert Moses

        Yes, traffic IS a nightmare, which is why we need to tear down the entire city to make room for new highways.

        Remember that cities in general, and New York City in particular, are NOT entitled to their own viability. The only legitimate purpose of a city is to serve as a conduit for suburban traffic. That’s why I tried to destroy the Bronx back in the 1950′s and 1960′s by deliberately routing the Cross Bronx Expressway through as many people’s homes as possible.

        • SerfCityHereWeCome

          Hmmm…being dead for 30 years seems to have made you cranky. Ok, I’ll play…thanks also for keeping bike lanes off the Throgs Neck Bridge.

    • :)

      <3 you. Seriously.

  • Larry Schwarz

    OK Maybe having a meal on The Train is a bit ridiculous.I rather eart in more pleasant sarroundings.But what about snacks.There are concessions in Subway stations that sell candy,peanuts,drinks,some sell hot coffee.Does’nt The Rockefeller Centre Subway station have a Dunkin donuts.A full meal,no.But you can not ban all types of food especially those sold by vendors in The Subway.I see no problem with a commuter running late taking a Dunkin Donuts Breakfast sandwich into the Subway,as long as they clean upafter themselves.If not they should be cited for littering.There is a line that has to be drawn here.Banning all food would put these vendors out of business.

    • F the MTA

      i have a feeling there would be “selective enforcement” if you know what I mean.

      i would probably get fined for eating a cough drop.

      • SerfCityHereWeCome

        Therefore, I have a feeling this law would be strongly backed by Dunkin’ Donuts…again, if you know what I mean…

    • Jean

      If this goes through (which I doubt) they would have to draw the line somewhere. Are yoiu really going to fine someone $250 for drinking a coffee or a soda? I don’t have meals on the subway because it’s so filthy but what if I want to eat a snall bag of chips or a bottle of water — like I do from time to time? I take my garbage with me and dispose of it properly. But rats will eat anything. Anything. It need not be food. And people who litter are the real problem. Finally, I’d like to know how they expect to enforce this. It will get a big push for the first few months, then will go the way of jaywalking. When was the last time anyone got ticketed for jaywalking in New York City?

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