N.Y. GOP Senator: If Same-Sex Marriage Vote Held, Measure Likely To Pass

Archbishop Dolan, Lawmakers The Targets Of Vulgarities And Abuse Online

ALBANY (CBSNewYork/AP) — A New York Republican state senator who opposes gay marriage said Thursday night the bill is likely to pass if it comes to a full Senate vote.

Sen. Greg Ball, who once said he could be persuaded to vote for gay marriage, said he will vote against the measure.

Ball said negotiations for additional protections against discrimination lawsuits for religious groups who oppose gay marriage are better but not everything he had hoped for. He and several other Republicans have sought the additional protections.

Senate Republican leader Dean Skelos ended Thursday’s session just before 11 p.m. for what he called the health of the membership and those watching for what many consider a pivotal vote in the national movement to legalize gay marriage.

The Republican-led Senate will reconvene Friday morning. At that time, they could start to pass a backlog of more mundane bills, then consider the gay marriage bill.

The plan is for the Senate to return to open session at 10 a.m. Friday.

Meanwhile, New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan and at least two other lawmakers said they were besieged by offensive posts, forcing them to curtail comments.

Dolan has blogged that he loves gay people who want to get married but still ardently opposes gay marriage. The church says Dolan’s been one of the targets of cyber abuse and vulgarities prompted the banning of some commenters on the Catholic church’s Facebook and Twitter pages.

Skelos, who opposes gay marriage, closed down the comments on his Facebook page after supporters used vulgarities and posted the home addresses of senators opposed to gay marriage.

Democratic Sen. Diane Savino of Staten Island, who supports gay marriage, said she also had had an onslaught of offensive postings by opponents of same-sex marriage.

The waiting game dragged on earlier Thursday, with the big question being whether or not the GOP-controlled Senate would actually allow a vote on same-sex marriage.

Protesters lined the halls of the Senate, chanting, watching and wondering how the hot-button issue will be resolved, reports CBS 2’s Tony Aiello.

All week they’ve been inescapable, activists on both sides of the gay marriage debate. They have been passionate and vocal, but united in their curiosity. What will the state Senate do?

“It wouldn’t make sense to me for them to wait this out, listen to all these people and then not vote on it. I think something’s gonna happen tonight or tomorrow,” gay marriage supporter Geoff Corey said earlier Thursday.

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An opponent to gay marriage prays in a hallway outside a Republican conference room at the Capitol in Albany, N.Y., on Wednesday, June 22, 2011. (AP Photo/Mike Groll)

In the middle of the protests, the capitol is consumed by a guessing game as to which Senate Republican might be willing to be the deciding vote in favor of same-sex marriage.

Among Democrats in the Senate, 29 of 30 have said they’ll vote for gay marriage, meaning only three Republicans need to vote for it to pass in the 62-seat chamber. Two have already committed to voting for it. There are only a small handful of senators, maybe as few as two, who are undecided. Aiello reports speculation continues to focus on four senators — Mark Grisanti from Buffalo, Stephen Saland from Poughkeepsie, Andrew Lanza from Staten Island and John Flanagan from Suffolk County.

GOP senators have met privately to discuss and debate for the last several days.

“I suspect it will be a lengthy conference, a thoughtful conference as we always do, and then we’ll make a decision,” Skelos said earlier.

Opponents promise to work to defeat Republicans who support gay marriage, as many chanted “if you vote yes, we will vote you out!” on Thursday.

The Millers of Mahopac came to lobby their senator to vote “no.”

“Marriage is this thing that ties a father to his children, this thing that ties a man to his wife,” Chris Miller said.

Whether New York will expand that traditional definition or not remains the most heated Albany debate of the year.

Same-sex marriage was a prime topic Thursday night in Midtown as President Barack Obama held his first fundraiser focused on the gay community. The president praised New York lawmakers for debating historic legislation to legalize gay marriage. The president said that’s what democracies are supposed to do, and that marriage has traditionally been decided by the states.

Obama also said he believes that gay couples deserve the same legal rights as every other couple in this country.

But as expected, Obama stopped short Thursday of endorsing gay marriage.

Conservative Party Chairman and gay marriage opponent Mike Long, took comfort as the clock ticked away in Albany on Thursday, but now it appears the sides will be back at it on Friday.

WCBS 880’s Rich Lamb reports: Long Says Republican Senators Will Suffer If Bill Goes Through

“My hope is that there’s enough turmoil within the ranks of the Senate majority and I believe very firmly that the majority of the senators do not want to see this bill hit the floor because they clearly understand that the people who are going to take the hit on this is the Republican senators,” said Long.

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  1. Rodin says:

    “Meanwhile, New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan and at least two other lawmakers said they were besieged by offensive posts, forcing them to curtail comments.

    Dolan has blogged that he loves gay people who want to get married but still ardently opposes gay marriage. The church says Dolan’s been one of the targets of cyber abuse and vulgarities prompted the banning of some commenters on the Catholic church’s Facebook and Twitter pages.”

    …and the bigot perv-protector deserves every one of them.

  2. Kel says:

    *** BREAKING NEWS ***



    1. Rodin says:

      “Everything’s under control. Keep on shopping.”


      Consensus Reached on Religious Exemptions in Gay Marriage Bill
      June 24, 2011, 4:14 PM
      ALBANY — The Cuomo administration and legislative leaders have reached agreement on language to protect religious institutions from obligations to recognize same-sex marriage, two people involved in the negotiations said on Friday afternoon, potentially paving the way for a vote on the marriage legislation.

      Senate Republicans were still discussing the marriage bill in a closed-door meeting on Friday afternoon; it remained unclear when — or if — they would permit a vote on the broader legislation. The State Assembly, which approved an earlier version of the same-sex marriage bill last week, would need to approve the new language before the full bill could become law.

  3. Barb says:

    This isn’t about religion; rather it is a moral issue of what is right and what is wrong. Gay marriage is wrong. Period. The gay marriage bill is being used by the gay community to promote their agenda in an effort to convince the more than 99% of the population that there is nothing immoral about their life style. The best approach for Skelos and the Republicans is to avoid having a vote; they are elected to represent their supporters and not to promote a Cuomo-Bloomberg agenda. And the voters who voted for these republican state senators do not want to see the gay marriage bill pass. Dean Skelos should pass this bill back to Cuomo with a suggestion that this be place as a referendum on November’s ballot to measure whether the majority of NYS voters are in favor or against this bill. By guess is that it will go down to defeat as it has in every state-wide referendum

  4. GREG says:


  5. RichieT says:

    IE,The government can not have any law that influences in ANY WAY the practice or beliefs of any religion in this country..
    It’s already protected
    Regarding discrimination, In their religion Gay marriage is a sin. They have every legal right to deny. If a person tried to sue the because it’s discrimination.
    that would be the government denying one of their religions beliefs….
    Good luck trying . .
    “Abridging” is an archaic word that mean limiting.

  6. RichieT says:

    This whole thing has gotten out of control.
    The 1st amendment; “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances”
    The government can not support a particular religion, or deny any religion.”

  7. VY says:

    Those who beleave that marriage was created by religion are wrong. Marriage predates religion by many thousands of years, and was incorporated into religion. The problem is that governments greant married people special rights, such as control over a spouses healthcare if the spouse becomes to sick to make their own decisions, the right to inherit the spouses property if the spouse dies, the right to be the legal parent of any chiuldren the couple has or adopted if the other spouse dies, etc. That is what marriage means in the real world. And those rights should be available to ANY 2 loving, consenting adults who choose to marry.

  8. richard Allen says:


    I am a Wedding DJ and business SLOW….and gay people will NOT be cheap about their weddings

    Lets put people back to WORK!

    1. Juan says:

      Yuri Maltsev, a world famous economist, said that if you are so eager to create jobs for people, go and break a window. The more windows you break, the more jobs we create, right?

      1. danny says:

        If you want to compare love to vandalism, then sure. OK. But you should compare apples to apples.

      2. Juan says:

        and what love? If a father had to destroy a window to save the child he cares so much about, wouldn’t he do it?

      3. danny says:

        Actually, no. Jobs are for money. Food is for eating. I can eat without working. It’s called hunting and gathering.

    2. Juan says:

      The consider gay marriage vandalism to the fundamentals of real marriage.

      1. danny says:

        You are still comparing love to vandalism. Breaking a window to save a life is not the same as breaking a window to create jobs.

      2. Juan says:

        Aren’t jobs meant to feed families?

      3. danny says:

        Actually, no. Jobs are for money. Food is for eating. I can eat without working. It’s called hunting and gathering.

  9. Dale Auburn says:

    All of us have heard the religious reasons for not allowing gay marriage, and those reasons are fine for churches. However, the State Legislature is part of Government, so I’m still waiting for somebody to present a legitimate GOVERNMENTAL reason.

    The challenge is really very simple. All one has to do is identify…

    – the SPECIFIC ways in which gay marriage increases Government’s costs;

    – the SPECIFIC ways in which gay marriage reduces Government’s revenues (especially with all those additional people paying “marriage penalties” in their taxes);

    – the SPECIFIC ways in which gay marriage impedes governmental administration;

    – a SPECIFIC heterosexual couple whose marriage has suffered SPECIFIC damage caused by a SPECIFIC gay couple getting married. (Please provide names, locations, court docket numbers, and links to media coverage.)

    Any takers?

    1. Rodin says:

      No matter what side of the fence we sit on, we ALL know there are NO answers to these questions.

      “And THAT, of course, is why Republicans will never allow a vote in the Senate.”

      You got THAT right! And obstruct, obstruct, obstruct.

    2. Juan says:

      Well, let’s look at the long run:
      1. With gay relationships ever increasing, the government will, eventually, have to start seeking ways to ‘create’ people through cloning, and embryonic stem cell research in an ever growing economy.
      2. With increasing government spending, it will be forced to raise taxes on a population that has slowed down in growth due to gay marriage not rendering future workers; thus, more taxes for each individual. Remember, the market is constantly growing so government will work to maintain proportionate revenue.
      3. With fewer births due to gay marriage, the possibility of good leaders being born will affect administration.
      4. And it’s not a question of whether or not gay marriage has hurt heterosexual marriage. The key thing that needs to be understood are the fundamentals of marriage, which is what I, and many others, seek to defend. These fundamentals are of religious nature (religion created the institution of marriage). But I do know a gay man who’s married to a woman with 5 children…now THAT’S admirable.
      I already know you’re not going to accept this comment, so I don’t know why I even bothered.

      1. danny says:

        1.There hasn’t been an incredible increase in gay relationships in the states or countries where it is legal, nor has there been a significant decrease in children being born.
        2&3. see above. Same answer, except look at how many jobs are available today. With computers and outsourcing there won’t be many jobs anyway.
        4. So, does that means that I shouldn’t be allowed to get married because I don’t believe in god? That’s what religion is after all. As far as the gay man you know, isn’t it great that he has to hide like that? Imagine how he feels every time he is alone. He must be miserable living a fake life. He will only end up hurting her, his kids, or himself.
        I may never accept your comments, but that does not mean you shouldn’t bother. Your voice is the only thing you can count on every day. Speak your mind freely!

      2. Dale Auburn says:

        1, 2, 3. Your “reduced population grown” argument FAILS because gay couples will still be together whether they can officially “marry” or not.

        4. Yes, it IS “a question of whether or not gay marriage has hurt heterosexual marriage,” because that is the consistent claim from opponents. Nobody has yet identified (1) the SPECIFIC harm against which marriage must be “defended” or (2) a SPECIFIC heterosexual couple whose marriage has already faced that danger from a SPECIFIC gay couple.

        Plus, your admission that “[t]hese fundamentals are of religious nature” shows the refusal of opponents to offer a legitimate GOVERNMENTAL reason to ban gay marriage.

  10. Dale Auburn says:

    “A New York Republican state senator who opposes gay marriage said Thursday night the bill is likely to pass if it comes to a full Senate vote.”

    And THAT, of course, is why Republicans will never allow a vote in the Senate.

  11. Timothy says:

    It will fail. And should.

    1. Dale Auburn says:

      Do you have a GOVERNMENTAL reason for wanting it to fail?

  12. mho123 says:

    last time i checked marriage ceremonies were religion based and civil unions were government based so for argument sake i agree with having civil unions afforded the same rights and privileges as marriage under the law, but do not call it marriage as this country is always quick to separate church and state but here they are trying to have it both ways and you cant do that. Over time we have all become accustomed to just use marriage a the one term to describe both marriage and civil unions once you are civilly unionized call it whatever you like to your friends family etc this way we can obtain the separation of church and state and everyone can be afforded the same rights equally

    1. Michael H. says:

      My marriage (between an atheist and an agnostic) was not religion based, and we call it what it is, a marriage. Many people get married before a justice of the peace instead of a rabbi, priest, pastor, etc. etc.

      Marriage is NOT owned by the religious and pre-dates your religion by centuries.

      1. Rodin says:


        While I agree with all your statements, may I respectfully point out that you can’t have it both ways. You cannot be an Atheist AND an Agnostic. It’s like being “a little bit pregnant.” I USED TO BE an Agnostic, I DOUBTED the existence of gods. When all doubt left me, I became an Atheist.

      2. danny says:

        Good morning Rodin. I think he means one is an agnostic and the other is atheist. Unless he has multipule personalty disorder… My wife is a believer, though she doesn’t belong to a church or religion anymore. I’m a converted catholic (read atheist. That’s what happens when you’re in catholic scroll from pre-k to high school). She gets a tiny bit upset when I tell her how I see it, but faith has never disrupted our lives. We’ve been together for 21 years. If it works in my house, it will work in NYS.

      3. Rodin says:

        Good morning Danny.

        I apologize to Michael for having misread.

        My situation is the same as his, my wife is Agnostic. Similar to yours: Married 33 years. First and only marriage for both. It works for us.

        I too was brought up Catholic, Jesuit educated, taught for years at two Jesuit high schools and at Catherine McAuley High School in Brooklyn run by the Sisters of Mercy. (I also taught at the New School.)

        One thing I owe the Jesuits is the practice, ability and interest to question. Thanks to them, my Atheism!

        Again, Michael, I apologize.

    2. Pete says:

      New York State issues a certificate of marriage, not a certificate of civil union.

  13. Bruce Goldensteinberg says:

    The gay mafia is out to silence critics of sodomy and deviance and those who worship god. they spit on god and family and laugh at you if you are not gay. they are the most intolerant out there, and they are usually high on drugs.

    1. Rodin says:

      Nothing like Zionist Israeli suprematists demonizing the Palestinians they oppress?

      Go tell it on the mountain.

      1. Juan says:

        Israel kicked ass in 1967 and earned that land. Simple history, dude.

      2. Rodin says:

        “Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.”

        ~ JOHN SHEEHAN, S.J.
        Jesuit priest and missionary

  14. Rodin says:

    It’s 11:10 pm. Cutting into my reading/study time. Not worth it. Priorities are priorities: my studies, my readings, my Dogs, you. Wife’s in bed. Got a bourbon waiting.

    Maybe tamarrah.


    Good without gods.

  15. Heather says:

    Being a christian is a choice, but we contstitutionally protect an individual’s right to be one anyway.

  16. Johannes says:

    That’s no way to talk about Catholics. Please try to keep the discussion civil.

    1. Rodin says:

      Tell that to mass perv perp protector Dolan. You’ll find him hiding behind his skirt in St. Pat’s.

      1. David says:

        Looking for pervs? http://www.nambla.org/

      2. Rodin says:

        @ David

        Not defending pedophiles, singling out hypocrites and ignorants.

        “Looking for pervs?” Look to the Vatican.

        My site, my specialty.

        Not that I care but DAVID had the hots for Jonathan.

  17. Johannes says:

    Being gay is not a choice. Being an obnoxious bigot IS a choice. You clearly made the wrong one.

  18. nathan says:

    Get it done Cuomo. Then run for President in 16 when you take over for Barack. Ya baby! Suck on that haters.

    1. nypj says:

      obama is on his way out – he is only a one term president..

      1. nathan says:

        dream on loser.

    2. nypj says:

      think you are living in some alternate dimension or something…

      one of the worse presidents ever and you think that people would actually vote for a second term? we will be paying for all of the spending that this idiot has done in one term – how would we ever be able to afford a second term of reckless spending?

      1. Michael H. says:

        Ask everybody that voted for Bush why they voted for him a second term.

      2. Thomas says:

        Well gee, maybe the same way we survived 2 terms of reckless spending under W. How about googling the “Iraq war”? You’re welcome in advance.
        Obama 2012.

    3. nypj says:

      when a country is in war they are not very quick to change the leadership mid-game.. not that he was much of a leader himself..

  19. David says:

    “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, …”

    – President George Washington, Farewell Address

    1. Michael H. says:

      Ok, now tell us why one religion takes precedence over another. Notice how Washington didn’t specify.

      1. Rodin says:

        “The United States of America should have a foundation free from the influence of clergy.”



      2. David says:

        “With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion, manners, habits, and political principles.”

        – President George Washington, Farewell Address

    2. Rodin says:

      “Of all possible sexual perversions, religion is the only one to have ever been scientifically systematized.”
      French poet, novelist and editor and member of the Académie Goncourt
      (1897 – 1982)

  20. Ragnar Danneskjold says:

    I am tired of you haters parading your filthy opinions around. You should get in the closet with a mouth gag because noone wants to know about your sick, filthy, unethical hatred, and hating lifestyle.

    1. Rodin says:

      The ‘haters’ IS YOU.

  21. Carlos Guzman says:

    I agree!

  22. Juan says:

    It’s not a question of whether or not God is on our side; rather, it’s a question of whether or not we are on God’s side. (Abraham Lincoln)

    1. Rodin says:

      “The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion.  I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma.”

      ~ ABRAHAM LINCOLN – U.S. President, Atheist and Gay

      1. Juan says:

        Ah! But he was spiritual, and he did believe in God..he may not have been a church-goer, but he sure did believe in God. And he was not gay. IF, by any chance, he was, he had a wife and was happy with her.

      2. Rodin says:

        Sorry to disappoint you, Juanito.

        1 – Lincoln was a self-described Atheist.

      3. Rodin says:

        2 – He was closeted but when Mary was away the lamb would play, warming up in bed with Captain David Derickson, his “bodyguard”.

        Oh, and so was James Buchanan.

  23. Archie Slavetrader says:

    Is the same-sex marriage vote all our governor and legislators in Albany have on their plate? Seems to me there are more important issues that the taxpayers of New York voted these underworked overpaid public workers into office.

    1. nypj says:

      you do not get equal rights because of a CHOICE fa.got

    2. Michael H. says:

      Visit the NY State Senate website and you will see just how much they have on their “plate”. They are quite busy and gay marriage is far from the only thing they are working on this week.

    3. Rodin says:

      CHOICE? Go back to your Middle Ages. Religion is a choice. Sexual preference is “God ordained.” Or Nature.

      1. David says:

        Born that way? We are all born illiterate, incontinent and with crooked teeth, if you choose to remain that way that is your choice. (If you had the type of parents that ask their children if they want to be ‘potty trained’). We are all born psychologically immature, eventually you have to take steps to grow out of it. Sometimes you need to pray to God for help.

      2. Rodin says:

        Unfortunately most choose to stay “psychologically immature”. It’s safer. Prayer is no remedy, it only leads to disprayer.

        “Nothing fails like prayer.” ~ Anne Nicol Gaylor

      3. Juan says:

        You know Rodin, prayers are the sparks of a miracle. Look at the Miracle of the Sun, for instance (and don’t try to disprove it because there are pictures and thousands of witnesses who testified to it), and all that happened through the prayers of three children. St. Josemaria Escriva, cured of diabetes through prayer; why not read about these saints? I guarantee that you will find heroic stories in each and everyone of them.
        And stop using religion to support your pro-gay marriage arguments! Turned one way you say religion and state should be separated, and by the time you turn the other way you start using religion to justify the state’s making gay marriage legal. From Jesuit school to Atheism; your life’s story is just as twisted as your arguments.

      4. Rodin says:



        MIRACLE, n. An act or event out of the order of nature and
        unaccountable, as beating a normal hand of four kings and an ace with
        four aces and a king.

        SAINT, n. A dead sinner revised and edited.

        American Author and Humorist

      5. Juan says:

        A humorist? You’re really going to throw a humorist argument? Saints are humans who suffered what we all suffer now; the only difference is that they were capable of holding to the faith through prayer and hope. I can’t take you seriously, throwing humorist arguments at me.

      6. Rodin says:

        SAINT, n. A dead sinner revised and edited.

        I can’t take take anyone seriously who doesn’t have a sense of humor.

        “A sense of humor, properly developed, is superior to any religion so far devised.”
        ~ TOM ROBBINS

    4. Rodin says:


      Neither because of religion, a real choice well beyond sexual preference.

    5. andrew says:

      You aren’t really paying attention. There are a ton of things on their plate, and this is one of the last of them. Plus, equal rights are not a distraction. If they didn’t spend any time dealing with this, and just let it pass, you’d be raising holy hell they weren’t discussing it. So shut up.

    6. nypj says:

      where is the “report your entire vile existence” link, c–k sucker?

    7. Rodin says:

      RELIGION is a CHOICE. Sexual orientation is not, or hadn’t you heard?

      Ignorance, ALSO A CHOICE, should be painful. Inform yourself before you rant.

  24. Jay says:

    I’m still waiting to hear what horrible things will be unleased by passing this law? There are 5 other jurisdictions where same sex marriage has been legal for sometime, and I have not heard that the “sky is falling” in any of those places. Opponents say “God wants marriage to be between one man and one woman.” Actually a reading of the Old Testament reveals that biblical men married many — sometimes dozens — of wives> Perhaps what we need is a return to polygamy? Finally, the same conservatives who preach minimal govenment interference somehow think it’s ok to intervene in personal affairs (eg, abortionm, same-sex marriage). By the way, I am a married heterosexual.

    1. David says:

      Don’t you actually listen to the news. After ‘gay-marriage’ those who don’t marry gays will be said to be discriminating against them and be prohibited from marrying.

    2. David says:

      Polygamy deserves a fair hearing before ‘gay-marriages’ so bring it on! Take heed, we are a government of the people for the people by the people, when you change the law, the people are effected. When you want to make something legal it is not a personal affair.

      1. Michael H. says:

        If they could figure out tax law and divorce law with regards to polygamous marriages then sure, go for it. Consenting adults in a legally binding agreement? I don’t see why not.

  25. Adeyinka O McAdewunmi says:

    The Gov of New-York is a liar!He has no principle.He cannot be pro-everything.Any decent man will be able to distinguish between, what is right and what is wrong,what is good and what is bad.You cannot legislate what is unnatural,you cannot have a law that goes against what contradicts natural intent .Same sex couple having sex together is not what the nature intended.Just because it happens does not make it right.A country called Figi,in the pacific is a good example.Over there,sexual intercourse between family members is not seen as an abomination.A father daughter living together as husband and wife,is accepatble over there.Is that the direction the Gov of New-York want to lead his state?He is too sick for that job.

    1. Rodin says:

      Why should the ways of Fiji be an “abomination”? It’s THEIR way, THEIR culture. Who are you to judge? Who’s to say YOU are not an abomination.

      Eskimo: “If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?”

      Priest: “No, not if you did not know.”

      Eskimo: “Then why did you tell me?”

      – Annie Dillard, ‘Pilgrim at Tinker Creek’

      1. Adeyinka O McAdewunmi says:

        You went straight to the point.That means everybody should be left alone to their own devise.If your interest is to have sex with young kids,what you are saying is that it should be nobodys business.Sooner or latter it will be america’s CULTURE too to follow into the footsteps of people of Figi.!By the time you know it,america too will be behaving like RATS.Wherby inter family breeding will be a common thing.You dont love this counrty if that is what you hope for.All that you care about is your own canal desire.Not the common good.DO YOU DO TOSSING THE SALAD?

      2. Rodin says:

        @ Cuchicuchi Burundanga

        Are Fijians “RATS”?

        I don’t duel with unarmed adversaries or debate brainless contrarians.

        Get an Atlas and find out where “FiGi” is … and how to spell it.

      3. Juan says:

        Priest: Well you don’t HAVE to be Catholic to get to Heaven..all good persons go to Heaven.

      4. David says:

        Priest: Because God commanded me to spread the Good News that you have the opportunity for eternal life.

      5. David says:

        “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience–those too may achieve eternal salvation.”

        -Lumen Gentium 16; cf. DS 3866-3872

      6. David says:

        Priest: Because I figured you may want to pray to have God help you get out this frozen desert and take your wife and children to Tahiti where you don’t have to eat raw fish and sleep in an igloo. Oh, by the way isn’t politically correct to call you guys Inuit’s today? That Anne Dillard seems to be behind the times.

      7. Rodin says:

        @ David

        “Because God commanded me to spread the Good News that you have the opportunity for eternal life” you just invented, a lie like all your gods.

        I WILL live eternally … in the ecosystem, when my ashes are scattered.

      8. Rodin says:

        @ David

        “Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church…” – Lumen Gentium

        Lumen Gentium – Catholic propaganda promoted by Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI intended to entice ‘heathens’ to “the faith.” Like assigning December 25th as the birth of Jesus to trick pagan Romans into believing that the birth of Christ followed the rituals of the Saturnalia.

      9. Rodin says:

        @ Juan

        “..all good persons go to Heaven.”

        So good gays CAN go to heaven? What a relief!

      10. DaleAuburn says:


        The priest knew from his own theology that the ignorant Eskimo DEFINITELY WOULD have gone to Heaven, and DELIBERATELY set him up for Hell by telling him about God and sin.

      11. Juan says:

        Yes, all good persons go to Heaven: meaning those who abide by the natural laws placed before us in this world.
        There was a hobo who lived in the streets of New York, a crowded, dirty place; he lived under the shade of a box and he considered himself happy. Now, a lawyer went up to him and said “I will pay for you to attend law school so that you could do this country your due service.” To that, the hobo said “So, you are offering me the opportunity to do something I have never done before? You are offering to give my life meaning?” The lawyer replied affirmatively. Then in anger, the hobo yelled, “Why did you offer me that?! You have ruined the happiness that I collected from living in this box!”

      12. Rodin says:

        Juanito, Juanito, siempre atrás, como los huevos del perro.

        You always get things @rse backwards. I’m all for the hobo and HIS “pursuit of [HIS] happiness” (1st Amendment U.S. Constipation) and the lawyer had no right to interfere, no matter how “well intentioned.” It’s a problem when people try to impose their values on others, thinking them better and themselves superior. It’s the way of RELIGION, not the way of NATURE, neither of which you seem to know anything about..

      13. Rodin says:

        @ Dale

        You liked that one, you’ll love this one, out of the moth of ARCHBISHOP Desmond Tutu:

        “There is a story, which is fairly well known, about when the missionaries came to Africa. They had the Bible and we, the natives, had the land. They said ‘Let us pray,’ and we dutifully shut our eyes. When we opened them, why, they now had the land and we had the Bible.”

      14. Rodin says:

        “Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.” ~ Mark Twain

      15. Juan says:

        And Rodin, I don’t know anything about natural law? Well, I do know enough to say that a guy’s body parts really don’t work out with another guy’s body parts…and I’m sorry, but what do you know about natural law? Apparently you’re SUPERIOR to in knowledge to me, an ignorant clown who’s HAPPY with his beliefs. Why don’t you stop commenting, considering people are already happy with their beliefs? Like you said, who are we to try and ruin someone else’s happiness “no matter how well-intentioned you are?”

    2. danny says:

      You are another one. Using your intellect, how can you compare 2 consenting adults decision to be together forever to a child being abused? Oh, and before you ask your simpleton question, I am a straight, married man. I don’t toss salad’ I’m not into the lean peen machine either. But, I do know how to spell Fiji.

      1. Rodin says:

        What intellect?

        I was going to ignore him but I’m glad you replied and I’m glad you picked up on the Fi-G-i thing. This guy must be a true anthropophagus. By his name, Adeyinka O McAdewunmi, he’s probably from Uganda, where they sentence gays to death with the encouragement of American Christian proselytizers.

        Besides, I can not only spell Fiji but know where it is and have been there.

    3. Juan says:

      Ah! so we have no right to try and help people. You’re convincing me not to aid the homeless in providing job opportunities for them.

  26. Frank D says:

    Next up NAMBALA- Notrth American man-boy love association.

    They are tired of being discriminated against too. Or is that included in this too? LOL

    1. Rodin says:

      It’s NAMB_LA. Read your own post.

      “To argue with a man who has renouced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.” ~ THOMAS PAINE

    2. danny says:

      Give me an honest, religious free reason as to how can you compare 2 consenting adults decision to be together forever, to abusing an innocent child? You my fellow human, are a completely mentally deficient person who must have eaten too many paint chips as a child. Just say no to lead!!

      1. Frank D says:

        Ah my gay friend you’ll never know.

    3. danny says:

      I can tell you were the debate champion at the home for special needs.

    4. Pete says:

      NAMBLA disappeared years ago. Do try to keep up.

  27. danny says:

    Although I am an atheist, I believe in your right to believe in a god, or 3 or 4. As an American, we must learn to keep religion out of politics. If we continue to use religion as the way to make our laws, then we are no better than the Iranian government. Do we want a Western version of Shira law? I don’t. So, please keep your faith and beliefs out of the law and out of politics.

    1. Rodin says:

      …and keep your faiths out of my face, I hasten to add.

      1. danny says:

        Rodin, you are way to bright to be posting here! I am referring to your post on the other gay rights piece where you quoted the great revolutionists that made this country. If I could, I would buy you a beer! Cheers!!

      2. Rodin says:

        Oh, I’m an old academic, Jesuit educated. This is how I get my jollies on slow days or when I get depressed by all the “godly” events that confound us daily.

        Did you say BEER?!?!
        Scroll down a bit and you’ll get a whole sanctorial of beer, the fountain of life (after Jenever — Dutch gin, the original sin gin). I’m devoted to many an esoteric libation.

        I’m in Orange county. Where are you? I’ll drink to that!

      3. Juan says:

        I distinctly remember seeing God written several times in Magna Carta, Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, and every time someone is sworn into office, he must place his hand on the Bible and make an oath. Keep talking about separation of Religion and Politics.

      4. danny says:

        Nice link! I’m in Queens. Bottoms up!

      5. Rodin says:

        Have any real arguments, Juanito?

        What does this have to do with beer, equal rights or the price of tea in China? Stay on topic.

      6. Juan says:

        What does beer have to do with the article? What, do you still deny that religion and state are separate?

      7. Rodin says:

        Juan, Danny’s inviting me to a beer. Can’t you follow anything.

    2. Rodin says:


      Look for my e-mail address in that website.

    3. David says:

      It is sad to believe that one has to be religious to be opposed to such an absurd logical proposition as ‘gay-marriage’. You don’t have to be religious to agree that 2 + 2 = 4.

      1. Juan says:

        2 + 2 = 4 is Man’s interpretation of a segment of the law of nature. Another correct interpretation would be: men’s body parts are not meant for other men’s body parts (same goes for women).

  28. Lorraine Pinkston says:

    No Gay Marriage. Why, because the God I serve says No, and no it is.
    Every Christian should be voting no. Why, read LEV 20:13 Romans 1:26
    and 1COR 6:9.

    1. Ken says:

      If the god you serve says no, then you shouldn’t marry the same sex. This is not Iran and our rights should not be based upon specific religious beliefs.

    2. putty says:

      Great. So don’t marry someone with the same hardware and keep your religion to yourself. The god you serve also condones slavery (Leviticus 25:44-46, Exodus 21:7-11, Timothy 6:1-2, Luke 12:47-48) but that doesn’t mean our laws should also condone slavery. Same reasoning applies to same sex marriage. Please feel free to worship whomever suits your fancy but don’t push your religion on the rest of us who are also enjoying the freedom to or not to worship as we please.

      1. Rodin says:


        You forgot incest (Genesis 19:30-38)


        “The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or a Mohammedan nation.” ~ JOHN ADAMS

        Good without gods.

      2. Rodin says:

        “I care not for a man’s religion whose Dog and cat are not the better for it.” ~ ABRAHAM LINCOLN

      3. Juan says:

        So you believe that people shouldn’t enforce their views on other people? What do you think you’re trying to do by posting that..?

      4. Juan says:

        Look up Sodom and Gomorrah..in the Bible.

      5. Rodin says:

        @ Juan

        ” What do you think you’re trying to do by posting that..?”

        “Speaking truth to power.”

        ~ GEORGE FOX
        (1624 – 1691)

      6. David says:

        Try Genesis 2:17. You place yourself above God and man. If you are looking for paradise you are going the wrong way. You are judging God. Same sex marriage is illogical. You don’t have to be religious to understand that complimentary polar opposites such as male and female, yin and yang, animus and anima is natural and logical.

      7. Juan says:

        Oh I’m sorry, maybe I didn’t point it out correctly: you are ordering people to stop ordering you around. You are telling people to stop telling you things. You believe that no one has the right to enforce beliefs on other people; yet by typing that comment, you yourself are trying to enforce your belief on other people.

      8. Juan says:

        Rodin! I thought you weren’t religious and yet you’re using Christian quotes and the Bible! You’ve got religion written all over you! Could you please quote the previous chapters of the Biblical quotes you provided? I mean, you, a non-religious person, seem to know so much about the Bible and I would like a little more context in reference to the quotes you provide…

      9. Rodin says:

        I’m a devout and pious Atheist! Non-religious but not ignorant.

        A recent Pew Research Center poll revealed that Atheists know more about religion than believers. BECAUSE THEY CONSTANTLY DOUBT AND QUESTION.

        Basic Religion Test Stumps Many Americans
        The New York Times: September 28, 2010

    3. Dale Auburn says:


      You’re offering a RELIGIOUS argument for a GOVERNMENTAL action (or inaction). That won’t work. Now please go back and find a GOVERNMENTAL reason for not allowing gay marriage.

      1. Juan says:

        How about a societal one. Marriage benefits society by providing the workers of tomorrow (children). Gays can’t reproduce with each other; so they deprive this world of its future; seems a bit harmful to society, don’t you think?

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