N.Y. Becomes 6th State To Legalize Same-Sex Marriage Legislation

Gov. Cuomo Signs Bill Into Law; Archbishop Dolan Condemns Decision

Updated at 1:13 a.m., June 24, 2011

ALBANY (CBSNewYork/AP) — The right of same-sex couples to wed became reality in New York state late Friday night after Gov. Andrew Cuomo signed the controversial Marriage Equality Act into law.

The Democratic governor signed the measure shortly before midnight, following up on a promise to put his name on the legislation as soon as he received it rather than wait the usual 10 days to sign it for it to become law.

Cuomo was put in position to act after the Republican-controlled Senate ended a week of heated protests and thoughtful debate by narrowly voting in favor of the bill 90 minutes earlier.

Advocates are calling it a historic step as New York is now the sixth but by far the largest state to legalize same-sex marriage. Cuomo’s signature means same-sex weddings could begin within 30 days.

“The past six months we didn’t work like we were Democrats and Republicans. We worked as New Yorkers,” Cuomo said at a press conference following the much-anticipated vote. “People of the state of New York were engaged in this session. They weighed in and they made a difference. Democracy works when people speak and the people spoke in volumes.

“This state when it is at its finest is a beacon for social justice. The legacy of this state was we were the progressive capital of the country. The other states look to New York for the progressive direction. And we reached a new level of social justice this evening.”

The bill was sent to the floor just after 5:30 p.m. Senate Majority Leader Dean Skelos announced the bill would brought up for an “up or down vote.” At approximately 10:30 p.m. the Marriage Equality Act passed by a vote of 33-29, setting off a cascade of cheers and jeers inside the chamber and all over the state.

“We are leaders and we join other proud states that recognize our families and the battle will now go on in other states,” said Sen. Thomas Duane, a Democrat.

The nation’s third-most populous state joins Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont and Washington, D.C., in allowing same-sex couples to wed.

Earlier Friday night, the Assembly passed amendments protecting religious groups that oppose gay marriage from discrimination lawsuits. Amid cheers, the Assembly passed the religious exemptions by a vote of 82-47. The chamber passed the main gay marriage bill a week ago.

But the real story unfolded later in the evening when Senate, following several recesses and statements pro and against, passed the bill.

New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan quickly condemned the decision, releasing the following statement:

“The passage by the Legislature of a bill to alter radically and forever humanity’s historic understanding of marriage leaves us deeply disappointed and troubled.

“We strongly uphold the Catholic Church’s clear teaching that we always treat our homosexual brothers and sisters with respect, dignity and love. But we just as strongly affirm that marriage is the joining of one man and one woman in a lifelong, loving union that is open to children, ordered for the good of those children and the spouses themselves. This definition cannot change, though we realize that our beliefs about the nature of marriage will continue to be ridiculed, and that some will even now attempt to enact government sanctions against churches and religious organizations that preach these timeless truths.

“We worry that both marriage and the family will be undermined by this tragic presumption of government in passing this legislation that attempts to redefine these cornerstones of civilization.

“Our society must regain what it appears to have lost – a true understanding of the meaning and the place of marriage, as revealed by God, grounded in nature, and respected by America’s foundational principles.”

The Catholic League of New York echoed Dolan’s concerns.

“It hasn’t been approved by the people. It’s the legislators that have shoved this down people’s throat,” director of communications Jeff Field said. “To redefine it to be between a man and a man or a woman and a woman, why stop there? Why not a man and two women or a man and two men? Where does it stop?”

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who was lauded by the governor for championing the same-sex marriage cause from the beginning, called the vote “a historic triumph for equality and freedom.”

CBS 2’s Sean Hennessey reports the streets of lower Manhattan were filled with jubilation as news of the vote came down.

“I can’t say enough about this. It’s really amazing,” said Cathryn Guerriere of Brooklyn.

“It means all of my friends can finally do the thing that they wanted to do, that I can do. It means that we’re equal,” said Alison Casillo of Peter Cooper Village.

“Anyone that wants to get married in the state can. It was always a civil rights issue and now the choice is theirs,” Mark Kerrigan said.

The vote was a crucial victory for Gov. Cuomo, who said same-sex marriage was a top priority.

“It’s a big step forward. I’m so excited. We’ve been working on this for decades,” said Gilbert Baker of Harlem.

“We’ll get married one day but not next week. We’re not stepping into City Hall tomorrow morning,” Flatiron’s Alex Kristoxeak said with a smile.

Earlier in the evening the measure gained serious momentum as a veteran Republican senator said he would vote “yes,” seemingly giving the bill the support it needed to become law. Senator Stephen Saland said he had long been undecided. He voted against a similar bill in 2009, helping kill the measure and dealing a blow to the national gay rights movement. Before he announced his intention on Friday night, 31 senators were in favor, one short of a majority.

“While I understand that my vote will disappoint many, I also know my vote is a vote of conscience,” Saland said in a statement prior to the vote. “I am doing the right thing in voting to support marriage equality.”

It turned out, Saland provided the passage with some cushion.

Protesters had crowded the halls of the state Capitol for days, hoping and praying for and against the gay marriage bill. They had been wondering if the issue would ever be brought to a vote in the Republican-controlled Senate.

Sources told CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer that the bill was put in position to be brought to the floor because a new round of protections for religious institutions had been secured.

New Yorkers United for Marriage, an advocacy group, said “We remain steadfast in our demand that the state uphold its obligation to the people of the state of New York and allow a vote on marriage equality.”

Senate leaders met behind closed doors for hours Friday. Some members reportedly didn’t want to see the politically charged issue drag on into the weekend and against the Gay Pride Parade in Manhattan on Sunday and religious services in churches throughout the state, which would have given priests and ministers opposed to same-sex marriage another opportunity to sermonize against it.

WCBS 880’s Marla Diamond With New Yorkers United For Marriage And State Senator Michael Gianaris/%20

Opponents of the measure have vowed to vote against Republicans who supported the measure. Thursday, many at the Capitol chanted “If you vote yes, we will vote you out.”

Al Jones of 1010 WINS reported that around 3 p.m., Republican senators were holding a closed-door meeting to decide whether to send the bill to the floor for a vote. Deputy Majority Leader Thomas Libous, a Broome County Republican, said GOP senators didn’t want to further stretch the 2011 session, which was supposed to have ended Monday.

Senate Democrats said the Republicans were mismanaging important bills, including gay marriage.

“Where is marriage?” asked Democratic Sen. Liz Krueger of Manhattan. “Bring it to the floor. Conventional wisdom is that if it comes to the floor, it will pass. Why not bring it to the floor? It’s outrageous.”

“Instead, we were discussing corn and onions most of the week,” she said, referring to a debate over naming the state vegetable.

Senator Adriano Espaillat, another Democrat from Manhattan, noted the fervent demonstrators waiting for a vote.

“We should stop playing with peoples’ lives,” Espaillat said. “I have been here 14 years. I haven’t seen this level of passion and anxiety … it’s very scary right now.”

Lawmakers had been focused on amendments that would protect religious groups from discrimination lawsuits in the event that they do not want to perform gay marriage ceremonies. Thursday’s meetings went late into the evening, wrapping up at 11 p.m. Republican Sen. Greg Ball, who said he would vote against the measure, nonetheless said it would likely pass if it comes to a full Senate vote.

New York City police commissioner Ray Kelly was asked if he was at all concerned about the possibility of pop-up demonstrations, especially during Sunday’s parade.

WCBS 880’s Rich Lamb With NYC Police Commissioner Ray Kelly

“You know, it is what it is. We’re a big police force. We’re able to react to those sorts of things. It’s something that we have to do,” he says.

Kelly said the department has deployed additional resources where the parade ends on Christopher Street, as he put it, because that event goes well into the night and the celebration goes into Monday morning.

Are you glad the bill passed? Sound off in our comments section.

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  • AM


    Marriage iis for procreartion and must remain between one man and one woman.

    • Rodin

      What if you’re infertile or impotent or just plain old and unable, can you not get married?


      • Victor

        Yes, you can get married because the concept of marriage is universal, that men in general and women in general further the survival and growth of the human race.

        What cannot procreate are two men having sex where human waste comes from. That is universally true.

    • KPMc

      So when 80 year old Hugh Hefner was to wed a playboy playmate 60 years his junior that was for procreation?

      When Britney Spears married a friend in Vegas that lasted all o4 24 hours that was for procreation?

      Where were you protests and bible quotes then?

      • Brian

        Using Hugh Hefner and Britney Spears for your examples is quite funny.

      • NYCrazy

        It is funny but lacking in logic.

    • Dee

      NY 1, Bigots 0

      AWWWWWW YEA! Love it when the bigots get schooled

      • Charles Parker

        So what happens when Ace and Gary have to leave NY and move to another state that is not Mass or San Fran?

      • StrWhSoChrMa

        Marriage is not for procreation. I’m straight and believe that. But there are male and female for a reason. Until someone figures out a way to insert Slot A into Slot A, male and female is the natual way. It is natural for a man and a woman to marry. Even Dawin would agree.

      • 1 Man 1 Woman = Marriage

        Not “bigots”, just people with MORALS. Get your filth out of here

    • Ryan Mathes

      some people actually marry for love, not just to procreate…good lord, you folks haven’t a bit of compassion in your heart.

      • Victor

        Ryan, since when did marriage stop two people from falling in love? No one stops two people fro falling in love.

        Historically, marriage has been a contract of responsibility. In other cultures, where there are fixed marriages, love is not even considered.

        Educate yourself before you accuse others of not having compassion. You may be surprised to discover that it is they who have compassion. Judging from the posts here, there are a lot of people with “in your face” reactions to this legislation that have made very bigoted comments.


    A new way to TIE THE KNOT,

    but then you have to untie it to get some sleep

  • Wolfman Jones

    What’s next, marriage of adults to children and animals with humans???

    We can’t be racist, so Blacks can now marry Whites.

    We can no longer be sexist. Therefore, we have gay marriage.

    So, what’s to stop the liberals from arguing that one can not be ageist and speciesist?

    Everyone has equal rights under the law!

    • Andy

      I know – if we let women vote then we’ll have to let frogs vote!!!

      • Wolfman Jones

        That’s a strawman argument, and does not compare.

        America really is on a slippery slope, headed right into the sewer, greased by liberal cr@p!

      • CRT

        I like that the moron understands the concept of a strawman argument, but doesn’t think it applies to his above diatribe. Also interesting is that he apparently believes, in 2011, that interracial marriage should be illegal. When will all these freaks finally die off?

      • LogicDude

        Wolfman if you know that the strawman argument is a logical fallacy and has no place in discussion, then what are you doing using the ‘slippery slope’ argument!?! Logicians and philosophers agree that saying something may put us on a slippery slope is an equally invalid point. Whenever you say that, you imply other things are also guaranteed to happen which just aren’t. You are suggesting that there is some implicit connection between people who want gay people to be married and and folks who want animals and people to be married when their just isnt. The main point is that there are numerous and relevant differences between the arguments in favor of same sex marriage and inter-species marriage. So shame on you for acting like you know something about logic but then throwing it to the curb when you make your own arguments.

      • fernyslugs

        hilarious, thanks

  • Rodin

    I wuz gonna go to bed but this is so fun I can’t tear myself away!

  • Wolfman Jones

    What’s next, marriage of adults to children and animals with humans???

    We can be racist, so Blacks can now marry Whites.

    We can no longer be sexist. Therefore, we have gay marriage.

    So, what’s to stop the liberals from arguing that one can not be ageist and speciesist?

    Everyone has equal rights under the law!

    • Rodin

      You’re a rare gem, Woofie!

      • Wolfman Jones


      • Rodin

        You are more than welcome.

    • Andy

      I know – God forbid we let women vote, right? Then we’ll have to let frogs, then trees vote. And who knows what would be next????

      You see the logic here folks? It’s called the Slippery Slope argument. Think of where humanity would be if we allowed this kind of argument to prevail?

      • Wolfman Jones

        America really is on a slippery slope, headed right into the sewer, greased by liberal cr@p!



    • Lauren D

      You are 100% right. A beacon of hope for the preservation of equality and peace has prevailed. Let us be thankful that we are free.

    • Patty

      I am happy that my son can now look towards a more promising future. The law has enabled him to be happy with a person he loves. Although they may not be able to reproduce, it is a dream come true that I can see him smile.

      • Victor

        Patty, so the law is what will make your son happy? And not being married would make him unhappy? Do you know what happiness means?

        Or do you mean that he will be happy not in a philosophical sense but in the sense that he is happy that he has a birthday cake with pretty little flowers?

    • george

      it is only hate when you speak against liberal BS.

      • Victor

        Yes, hateful means not agreeing with them. This is what little children tell their mothers when they do not get what they want.

        Their only weapon is to make you feel guilty about yourself. They are helpless when you don’t. History has proven that they will all blow away into the dustbin of history. Which by the way they know little about so they try to change it.

  • tess

    you know whats so funny——gays get their rights then want to take away the right of the religious order. no one really cares if they get married–pay your taxes and no one cares………however —-religious groups have their rights to uphold what they believe—most people who are not religious do not realize that you have to be married by the justice of the peace first then you have a church wedding because that is your relgious believe—stop trying to change their beliefs into what you want–if you want respect for you way of life then do then same

    • Rodin

      Human beings trump religious groups any time. It’s the gays that have been historically disrespected by religious groups. Get your story straight.

    • Andy

      want to take away the rights of the religious order? how? where’s th proof? it’s completely the other way around. religious people can believe all they want, but have a history of using their religion to infringe on other’s rights. if you don’t like same-sex marriage, don’t have one. plain and simple. don’t use your religion to try and say it is wrong and therefore, should be illegal. that’s when their religious beliefs infringe on others’ rights.

      churches discriminate against people in marriage all the time, and are never “required” to marry anyone. they reject people all the time. the stupid amendments were completely unnecessary. however, if any religious group or organization decided to, for example, not allow a same-sex spouse visit a their spouse in a Catholic hospital, THAT is uncalled for and is discrimination. this is where i think those stupid amendments are a problem – someone’s bigoted, religious beliefs should not be enshrined in law giving themfree reign to discriminate whenever they want.

      • Rodin

        Go, Andy, go!!!!!

    • Ryan Mathes

      That is thee dumbest thing I have heard. We are taking YOUR rights away because we aren’t going to let you discriminate against a minority? You got it all wrong, Tess. You need to open your eyes and realize just how dumb that notion is.

      • Wingman

        Homsexuals are not a minority.

  • gwx11

    “It hasn’t been approved by the people. It’s the legislators that have shoved this down people’s throat,” director of communications Jeff Field said. “

    Yeah the same old, time and again people in this country don’t want to re-define marriage, blah, blah, blah, look at Prop 8 in Cali, etc, etc. Well I for agree with NYS Senate and the Chief DJ in Cali that struck down Prop 8. When a majority uses the power of mob rule to persecute a minority, we need instruments to override such mob rule.

    • NYCrazy

      Mob rule? The people spoke in California. You do not respect the people. You work through the law but you disdain it.

      Liberals = Contradiction. And there is a very simple reason for this. They believe the ends justify the means. They believe they should always get their way. Demonize those that do not agree with them.

  • Dale Auburn

    “We worry that both marriage and the family will be undermined by this tragic presumption of government in passing this legislation that attempts to redefine these cornerstones of civilization.”

    Yet neither Dolan nor anybody else is willing to identify a SPECIFIC married couple and a SPECIFIC family who have suffered SPECIFIC harm caused by a SPECIFIC gay couple.

    • Rodin

      Dolan can stuff it. He’s probably cryin’ in his Jameson.

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  • Dale Auburn

    NY is gonna rake in MILLIONS of dollars in income taxes from the marriage penalty!!

    • Jerry

      So will the attorneys in divorce court. rofl

  • nathan

    Im right again. You’ll learn.

  • J

    The name AMERICA at one point meant something (morals, values and so on) now it means (lack of morals and values) what are they going to teach our school children? Most gays are good people and there is very few gay on gay crime. Gays have the right to equal protection of the law, but marriage is not a legal issue it is a spiritual one. God loves all people, but finds the acts of h om o sexu ality worthy of serious punishment. But then again, let he who is without sin case the first stone.

    • Michael H.

      but…you’re casting a stone just by posting this.

      • J

        Nah, I’m just presenting both sides mate.

    • Andy

      If marriage is not a legal issue, then what about all the heteros who are legally married and get all the state and federal legal benefits? Are you saying that stuff should all now become illegal? No, I didn’t think you’re saying this. You’re just saying marriage is not a legal issue right at this second, when it’s important to be one. Then you’ll look the other way after this is all over. Your other comments also show how clearly bigoted you are.

    • CRT

      If it’s not a legal issue why do are their laws about it? Idiots everywhere….

  • Sidney Allen Johnson

    Equality is for equals…not evil. This will not stand!

    • Tom


  • Michael H.

    neither children nor animals can give legal consent.

    • Wolfman Jones

      Don’t they have equal rights??? What are you an ageist and a speciesist?

    • Rodin

      Couldn’t have come up with a better answer myself, Michael H. You done good throughout!

      What are YOU,Woman Jack, other than an embarrassment? Don’t you know when you’re down for the count?

    • Michael H.

      actually, no they don’t have equal rights. children don’t share the same rights as adults and animals don’t share the same rights as humans. this is fact

    • Wolfman Jones

      “People” like Rodin and Michael H. are the reason America is descending into the sewer pit and going to Hell!!!

    • Wolfman Jones

      You know, Negros were once considered less than equal to Whites in America, but that changed too. Didn’t it?

    • Rodin

      “Hell is other people.” ~ JEAN-PAUL SARTRE

    • Victor

      Their guardians can give consent.

  • j.j.

    Everybody should have the same right to be miserable……LOL

    • J

      lol right on.

    • sweeteyes

      LOL here, here. (or something like it) ha ha ha

  • Rodin

    British statesman, writer and newspaper editor
    (1838 -1923)

    Good without gods,



    • Victor

      Hmm. Religions have been around for centuries, perhaps even since the beginning of an intelligent man. If they would have been found out, would that not have happened by now?

      Compare that to: who the hell is John Morley? Other than this statement, has he made the same impact on the world as religion has?

  • Marie Blanchard

    So the senate has now given the religious institutions the right not to
    marry people that now can marry, The only people that will profit
    from this are lawyers. This will be in the Supreme Court as our pro religious
    legislators are doing the work of the Vatican & Israel.
    We will have to go beck to separation of Church & State ,this Senate did not
    obey the law of our Constitution,so it is just a half of a victory for civil rights.

    • plainOldFool

      Marie, I am very much in favor of equality in marriage and I hope that this legislation does pass through the Senate and ends up on Cuomo’s desk to be signed into law. However, protecting religious institutions is vital. If a gay couple wishes to get married and their church/temple/mosque does not wish to preform the ceremony, they can still get married by a justice of the peace. In no way shape or form should the government be able to force these institutions to go against their own moral standards. This exception protects the separation of Church and State.

      • Rodin

        What we need is freedom FROM religion and its toxic and crippling, insidious intrusions into personal and secular affairs as was clearly demonstrated in this matter, most brazenly by ranting Archbishop Timothy Dolan.

        “Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”
        French philosopher and writer of the Enlightenment
        (1713 – 1784)

      • Victor

        PlainOldFool, you are apparently not how you describe yourself. I agree with you but I am afraid that will be the next step – forcing religious organizations to do things against their moral beliefs.

        The evidence of this is the rely rom Ryan. This is not just about rights; this is about hatred for religion.

        The other evidence are the attempts to force health care workers to assist in abortions even if they are against it.

  • Mark Matis

    Rot in hell, you God damned filthy pigs. Rot in hell.

    • KPMc

      I see you really follow the teachings of your savior. He’d be so proud of you.

    • Rodin

      “Hell is yourself and the only redemption is when a person puts himself aside to feel deeply for another person.”
      ~ Tennessee WilliamsAmerican playwright.

  • Rodin

    CBS NY 10:30

    FINAL COUNT: 33 TO 29

  • Marriage OneManOneWoman

    America is digging its own grave…one poop fondler at a time.

  • Bobby

    Big deal. The northeast is out of touch with the rest of the country. Closest to Europe. Any surprise? What’s happening in Europe will happen here, and it will hit the northeast first. A population that’s getting older, crawling with lazy people (without the banks they pillory there would be no industry in New York), and a degenerative mindset. What seems sick today will be acceptable in 30 years. Sex with animals?

    • kaja

      Sorry kiddo, the FACTS are that in Europe there are not that many countries that allow same-sex marriage – but why would you bother to check the facts? In fact the ones that constitutionally define marriage as between a man and a woman are the former communist states. So it would seem that most of Conservative America is aligned with the old Soviet Bloc. Your delusional mindset is also on the way out! Once again – as it has been throughout the history of this great nation – the Northeast leads the way.

      I’ll hug my wife and thank God for this great decision. You can cry in your local Walmart parking lot and picket funerals.

      • Tom

        Superb reply.

      • kablan

        There aren’t even words to describe the incoherent babble you tried to pass of as profound.

      • Rodin

        Lacking arguments, kablan? Resort to insult.

        kaja is actually quite accurate. The others are the theocracies of the Middle East. That includes Israel, just in case you thought I was referring to ‘Islam.”


        “The trouble with theocracy is that everyone wants to be Theo.” – James Dunn

  • Rodin

    1010 WINS 9:55PM


  • Twang

    Congratulations divorce lawyers!!! New revenue stream…..

  • XXX

    The US is the most fundamentalist country in the planet. Muslisms are in kindergarten compared to the PhD American Biblical fundamentalism. This is scary!!!

    • Marriage OneManOneWoman

      Unfortunately, you have no idea what you are talking about. Less than 7% of Americans attend church on a weekly basis. That is a FAR CRY from the Muslim countries that bow their heads 5 times per day.

      • Rodin

        Fundamentalism is a mindset not a Sunday gathering and the Christian Sharia is here and spreading.

        Good without gods.

  • nathan

    Its time – get it done – equal rights under the law.

    • nathan

      And yes, I ignore that silly person.

    • Marriage OneManOneWoman

      Everyone has the equal right to get married RIGHT NOW, in whatever state they choose to do so.

  • Andy Vasvari

    I wonder if this is the main significance of Cuomo?
    The roads and highways are ruiny, the bridges need a fresh overpaint, the metro beams are so rusty, I am afraid to take a train because of it.
    Just like the previous mario Cuomo, this one that is even not a major but a Governor of NY cant do anything further as an attorney than protecting his job?

  • Sandi

    So let me get this STRAIGHT. ..Kelsey Grammer can end a 15yr marriage by phone, Larry King is on divorce #9, Britney Spears had a 55hr marriage, Jesse James & Tiger Woods, while married, were having sex with EVERYONE, 53% of Americans get divorced and 30-60% cheat on their spouses. Yet, same-sex marriage is going to destroy the institution of marriage? Really? Really?

    • Dale Auburn

      I’m still waiting to find out WHOSE marriage will be “destroyed” by same-sex marriage. The straight couple in question should just step forward and SUE the gay couple who harmed them.

      • Rodin

        Don’t waste your breath. You’re not gonna get an answer and you know it. There is none.

        I’m not commenting again until the vote results are in.

        Good talking to you, Dale, Danny, Michael H. Glad to have shared this forum.

  • littlestar


    • Rodin

      When was that, fallingstar?

  • Rodin

    Oh my, I run out for couple of hours to my Friday noontime religious serving at O’Hare’s Irish temple and a new thread starts, same cr@p, different thread.

    Give me a few minutes to catch up and take a nap. Back with you boys and girls later. This looks promising and my wife’s spending the weekend out of town with girlfriends. It’ll make for wonderful entertainment!

  • Gregory

    Does this mean that those in plural marriages can sue for recognition? Just think of the interesting combinations that will be brought into the NY court system. Why it will be enough to make a prevert’s eyes water and a radical Islamist start building bombs.

    • Michael H.

      If they can figure out the tax and divorce law around plural marriages I say why not? It’s consenting adults in a legally binding contract. Let them be!

    • Daniel

      the only difference in the beliefs of a radical muslim and a fundamentalist christian is where Christ sits on the totem pole, because even he is in both religions. Fundamentalist Muslims hate gays too, also love guns, their religion, living in rural areas, and think that everyone else who is not from their country should get out. Same mindset, different name for their god.

  • Becky

    marriage is a civil issue, not religious. No one is making anyone marry someone who is GLBT, and no one is making your religious organization marry GLBT couples. Does your church marry Jews? Do you think that Jews could sue your church for refusing to marry them? Of course not.

    • Trishe

      Absolutly, its called discrimination.

    • Elielzer Alter

      To Becky
      But if a Religious Jew owns a business & gives insurance to his/her employees & one of them is in a Gay marriage the owner would have to also give tht Employee insurance eventhough it’s against our religion to do so & if that owner didn’t give insurance to that Employee the Employee could sue the owner.

      • KPMc

        And rightfully so. What does his religion have to do with his business and providing insurance?

      • Dave

        It’s against Christian beliefs for a man to cheat on his wife. Does that mean businesses shouldn’t allow adulterers to shop in their establishments? Absolutely not because business is about money, not religion.

    • Sarah

      Yes, my church marries Jews. They will not marry me in their synagogue though.

  • Eliezer Alter

    Gay marriage does interfere with religion & here is an example how: If let’s say a Religious Jew owns a business & one of the employees is in a Gay marriage & the owner offers insurance to their employees he/she would have to offer or give it to the Employee who is in a Gay Marriage insurance which would be against this persons religion. The constitution says that there is freedom of religion & as you see from my example above if this became law it would take away freedom of religion from people whose religion believes Gay Marriage is a sin.

    • Dale Auburn

      [1] Your hypothetical employer could have found – very easily – a LEGAL reason to not hire that gay worker in the first place (e.g. wait for somebody with slightly more experience or slightly better references, or leave the job empty).

      [2] Your hypothetical employer could simply offer insurance for employees ONLY and NOT cover spouses at all. Of course, that means hetero spouses as well as gay spouses.

    • danny

      So, If a hypothetical white employer hates black people, should he not hire them? Or one better, according to your post, if a white guy marries a black chick, he should get fired? I agree the church should not have to be obligated to perform these services. But if a place like the grand prospect hall (seen to many of those cheesy commercials) tries to stop one, they should get sued for discrimination.

    • Art

      Because of ERISA preemption, that religious Jew who owns the business could not be sued in state court, because federal law preempts any lawsuit under state law concerning an employee benefit plan. There is no grounds for a lawsuit under federal law, because of the Defense of Marriage Act and failure of Congress to pass the Employment Non-Discrimination Act. In other words, Mr. Alter’s hypothetical is false. Any attempt to sue the employer would be ended with a simple motion to dismiss the case.

    • Brooklyn McDirtyshoes

      By your conjecture, any Catholic employer that offers an FSA through their employee health plan could not employ women, unless those women were no longer able to bear children. Abortion is an FSA deductable medical procedure, and any woman who can become pregnant would, in theory, be a possible candidate for it. Should the Catholic employer be legally allowed to not hire women for this reason? Of course not. An employee’s sexual orientation or marital status should have no effect on the consideration of a prospective employer because that is also discriminatory and illegal.

      Providing healthcare to a gay spouse in no way infringes on your right to practice your own religion. The owner’s business is an entity, not a person, and legally it does not practice any religion, regardless of the owner’s religious beliefs.

      In conclusion, suck it.

    • Rich

      Your hypothetical could also work this way: Say your Jewish owner is Orthodox or Hasidic and he hires a heterosexual Jewish worker who later marries a non-Jewish spouse. It is against this Orthodox or Hasidic owner’s religion that Jews marry non-Jews. Are you saying that the owner should have the right to fire that worker because they married a non-Jew? After all, the owner would believe marrying a non-Jew is a sin. Do you see the slippery slope that your argument takes? If the owner wants to participate in public commerce, the owner needs to abide by public laws!

      • Brooklyn McDirtyshoes

        That, admittedly, is way better than my hypothetical. Well done.

    • Paul G

      Running a public business is not a religion. It may be a religious person, but the business is not church owned. POOR EXAMPLE

      • MIcah

        What if it’s a private business and has less than 15 employees? The hypothetical employer can base his practices on religion. Thus eliminating any federal enforcement. Furthermore, isn’t demanding an employer to hire a particular race, sex, religion, etc. go against their rights? Why would someone want to work at a business that disagrees with their beliefs anyway. I mean, is it any different than changing a radio, or tv channel when if offends you? After all, it’s your right.

  • danny

    I am curios how many negative commentators here are black or some other minority. Because what they are saying is very similar to what the white said about them in the past.
    Equality for one and all, regardless of race,creed,color or orientation.

    • HTK

      Because that didn’t work out very well Danny. You will soon see why. Remember 64% of blacks are anti-anything gay as well as 60% of Hispanics. Do you see a problem in the horizon?

  • HelloNY

    You know what, I am not surprised that someone with a moniker like Mr. Goebbels would think that way. You’re disgusting..

    • Rodin

      I think Mr. Goebbels got bleeped out. Good. Someone should do the same with ‘Nathan”, who claims to be gay but I suspect is a mole instigator.

      • Michael H.

        The actual “nathan” is an upstanding citizen. The issue is somebody who posts as “nathan” looking to cause a ruckuss. CBS refuses to implement a system where you have to log in to comment, leaving people open to be imitated. It’s happened to me too.

        • Rodin

          And to me. I think it’s the same person. I usually ignore because I feel intelligent posters can tell the difference and thee rest don’t matter. More often than not someone other than myself will the “Report comment” link.

          • Rodin

            Hey guys, here’s another creep goes by other names. Met him before.

            The Senate just passed the bill. Sweet dreams, ASSWHOLE!

            PS –

            I’m not a joiner and don’t live in NYC, thank Dog.


            • caleb goldfarb

              Rodin thinks he is popular. He is just another gay flamer whose candle burned out with Mariln Monroe’s.

      • nathan

        Its not that difficult to tell me and my imposter apart Rodin. It really isn’t.

        • Rodin

          I realized that once Michael H. pointed it out. Just report the faux comments. That usually takes care of it. I agree that CBS should do more to prevent this sort of thing.

  • nathan

    He’s just a troll. His life is pathetic already so this is what he does for fun. Don’t hate him. Pity him.

  • nyc

    I am sooo sick about constantly hearind about gays in the news ! With all that is going on in the world that needs reporting, please ! Enough already, when does it end ? There seems to be an increase in the number of gays in the US, whats that all about ?

    • Michael H.

      They’re out to get you and force you to join the pink mafia.

      • littlestar

        Yeah it seems that way sometimes.

    • danny

      You are right on nyc. I mean, why, when we had a war going on, losing money and jobs did we give the blacks any rights when our gov should have been focusing on the important things? And they have been here forever, just afraid of people like you. History repeats. Don’t hate. Live, love, laugh.

      • HTK

        No, blacks infested and destroyed every country they’ve lived in. You are speaking on too broad of a spectrum. You are enabling the very same people who will be first in line to cut your throat. Chose carefully, all i snot what it seems.

    • Allen W

      You are right NYC-and I know why-when I read the comments by my fellow heteros like you it makes me wish I was gay-I am ashamed of sharing the same sexual identity with many on this posting.

    • Pete

      When does it end? When discrimination against gays stop.

      Can you please provide the source for the statement: “There seems to be an increase in the number of gays in the US”?

      Perhaps gays are more visable because they refuse to be second class citizens anymore.

      • lcs

        Second class? Who promoted them?

  • John in Brooklyn

    This is about marriage rights in a civil context, not marriage rites in a religious context. You are free to practice your religion as long as it is life-giving and does not hurt anyone else. Indeed, the Constitution guarantees that. The Constitution also allows for not favoring one religion or one religious interpretation over another on any civil issue. I am a Christian who supports marriage equality and I wish my Church would bless marriage. But if it does not, I still have a civil right as a citizen to my opinion on what I discern is right. After much thought and self-examination I believe that limiting marriage to heterosexual persons is unjust and St. Augustine wrote that an unjust law is no law at all.

    • Anatole Pushkin

      Do not quote Saint Augustine, the “wisest of the holy and the holiest of the wise,” to justify your perverse inclination. If you want to go to hell, then go to hell, and do not hide under the shadow of any church. God has sent Jesus to redeem everyone,,but if you choose to persist in your stubbornness of heart, If you prefer to be gay, then be gay. We live in a free country.

  • pugphan

    Jesus says: They are not meant to marry, some are born that way. This should be
    a public referendum, and not in the hand of a bunch of incompetent, corrupt, and
    immoral bozos up in Albany. smokersodysseycom

    • Michael H.

      I’ve told you FOUR times now, that verse in the bible refers to EUNUCHS. Are you willfully this ignorant?

      • HelloNY

        I don’t think its ignorance so much a wishful thinking. You see, if God said its OK to be bigot, pugphan doesn’t have to worry about answering for his hatreds when he meets his maker… I, for one, would prefer to treat everyone as a human being and let God deal with the rest….

      • Rodin

        Maybe you should explain “eunuch” to pughead. Then, that’s probably a waste of time.

    • Pete

      Actually Jesus did not say anything about gays. LOL

      • Rodin

        …but had the hots for John, or would have, had he existed. I mean, I’m just sayin’.

        Wake me up when it’s over.

  • plainOldFool

    These so called people should be placed in camps, their brains should be experimented on to see why they choose to force their bigoted beliefs on the rest of society and demand inequality in our society.

    Oh, and to find out why their caps locks key is stuck.

  • John

    Why are you shouting? Are you that uncertain of your own sexuality? How sad. Gay people do not “choose” to be gay. They are “born this way.” It’s as natural as your own heterosexuality (as it tenuous as it appears to be).

    • arn

      Indeed they are born that way…Jesus says so. Check out: Mat: 19:3-12 where HE
      also says they aren’t meant to “MARRY!” smokersodysseycom

    • Michael H.


      Mat 19:3-12 refers to eunuchs. learn how to understand context.

      • Rodin

        Oh, before I indulge in nap-time, Michael, did you know ,,,?

        From “‘M.’ the Man who Became Caravaggio” –

        “As two of the very few working communities in Rome, artists and prostitutes had a lot in common, not least their common intimacy with men of the cloth.”

        ~ PETER ROBB
        Australian author and biographer
        (b. 1946)

        Not quite eunuchs but close.

        Mo’ later. Need my beauty rest.

  • Dale Auburn


  • Allen W

    Back around 1970 or so when abortion was legalized in NY (before Roe v. Wade), the legislature was on the verge of making abortion illegal again when an upstate senator rose, in the face of consternation of his fellow Republicans and changed his vote to stop the legislation, knowing it was the end of his political career but voting his conscience. He was not reelected but he is remembered!

  • 33 yrs loving relationship

    I am certain that the venom with which some of you speak about being against marriage equality is not in any religious teachings. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you- now that is a religious teaching that all should abide by.

    • John

      arn, I agree with Michael. If you are going to take things out of context and not pursue an intelligent conversation,, then perhaps you should listen and think more before you write. Thanks, Michael.

  • Flynn

    Funny, I was thinking just that about you and all your fellow narrow-minded, hateful brethren that insist on enforcing their religion upon the rest of us.

  • http://thecryptojournalist.wordpress.com The Cryptojournalist

    I’ll be shocked if this dies in the state senate. New York is considered a progressive state, right? It’s not Indiana or Tennessee.


  • Richiano

    Since the beginning of time Marriage have been reserved as a union between
    Man and Woman. What makes us think that this should be changed?

    So let there be a law that allow civil ceremonies for the few that want it
    And leave marriage alone…

    For the Churches and Temples, let them decide whether or not they perform
    The ceremony.

    • Michael H.

      Marriage has also been between man and women and men and woman.

      Your definition of marriage is not the only one.

  • Dale Auburn

    All of us have heard the religious reasons for not allowing gay marriage, and those reasons are fine for churches. However, the State Legislature is part of Government, so I’m still waiting for somebody to present a legitimate GOVERNMENTAL reason.

    The challenge is really very simple. All one has to do is identify…

    – the SPECIFIC ways in which gay marriage increases Government’s costs;

    – the SPECIFIC ways in which gay marriage reduces Government’s revenues (especially with all those additional people paying “marriage penalties” in their taxes);

    – the SPECIFIC ways in which gay marriage impedes governmental administration;

    – a SPECIFIC heterosexual couple whose marriage has suffered SPECIFIC damage caused by a SPECIFIC gay couple getting married. (Please provide names, locations, court docket numbers, and links to media coverage.)

    Any takers?

    • Estraven

      I used to live on a block with a Lesbian couple and many straight couples. The Lesbian couple were very quiet, and never bothered anyone. But one of the husbands in one of the striaght couples, in a week when his wife and my husband were away, came over and tried to seduce me. So I would say that the STRAIGHT couple were putting my marriage at risk, not the Lesbians.

  • F.R. Pope

    The politician’s are the last people on earth that should be voting
    on so called moral issues. It is ridiculous to grant same sex couples
    the right to marry and then protect the churches and synagogues who
    wish not to perform such weddings because they believe those couples
    are living in Sin and disgust.
    Let anyone who wishes to marry,marry and in religious institution’s who
    get a public tax break from we poor worker taxpayers.

  • David Asset

    People who repeat that nonsense about their Bible saying marriage is between one man and one woman ought to open up their Bibles sometimes and READ it. There is no such mandate in the Bible in fact King Solomon and Abraham had multiple wives. The Bible also said we shouldn’t wear mixed animal fibers and we shouldn’t eat pork. The Bible is NOT to be taken literally. Furthermore in the US, the Constitution provides for a separation of church and state so what the Bible says should have no impact on how we base our laws.

    • koreanoak

      God also made the minor mistake of assuming Mt Ararat was the “Top of the World”, when it isn’t even close. Let’s get past the extreme religious freaks and deal with the decent folk who have some sensibility but happen to believe in Christianity (I am not one of them; I’m an Evolutionist).

      What scares me the most is how broad the liberal spectrum seems to run. For every one sensible agenda there are twenty-five that boggle the mind. And though I am a liberal by heart and by nature, I understand that Liberalism is a failure for humanity. We must find a happy median, we must. And this cannot be done by enabling the liberal agenda. What good is this perceived equality when we end up prisoners in our own cities. It won’t matter what your orientation is, we are all potential victims.

      The Republican party can be your voice, don’t run from it. Change it for the better, without crippling our way of life. We are going down a slippery slope that leads to Socialism. It is a self-fullfilling prophecy and takes ions to break from. I beg all of you please come to your senses and lets tread carefully. We live in this world together, let’s find some harmony together for our own good and our progeny. And let all those who harm us feel our collective wrath and let us show them no respite………

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