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Snowstorm, Cold Makes Life In Zuccotti Park Difficult For OWS Protesters

Cold, Drenched OWS Members Ask Homeless For Winter Weather Survival Tips

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A lone Occupy Wall Street protestor plays a drum during a snowstorm in Zuccotti Park, Saturday, Oct. 29, 2011, in New York. (AP Photo/John Minchillo)

A lone Occupy Wall Street protestor plays a drum during a snowstorm in Zuccotti Park, Saturday, Oct. 29, 2011, in New York. (AP Photo/John Minchillo)

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NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) – Saturday’s snow storm made life in Zuccotti Park miserable for Occupy Wall Street protesters.

Demonstrators were left drenched with rain and then snow as the storm moved through the region. Central Park set a record for both the date and the month of October with 2.9 inches of snow.

Those camping out in the park have been stockpiling donated blankets, scarves, coats and have been trying to get more tents, cots and tarps.

PHOTOS: October Snowstorm

According to an “urgent” alert on their website, OWS is looking for a number of other donations, including waterproof boots, gloves, hats, hand and foot warmers and disposable foot covers among other things. The site says the protesters “are in need of emergency supplies crucial for cold weather survival (and occupation).”

The site says they also need cots to get protesters off the ground, adding that they don’t have any and “could really use these.”

Reportedly, some have been even getting winter weather survival tips from the homeless.

They say they’re also looking for thermal heaters after fire officials removed six of the protesters’ gas-powered generators from Zuccotti Park on Friday, saying it was safety issue.

“The argument could be made they just wanted to get at our power source,” said demonstrator Brian Najdanik.

Without generators, protesters were left with just flashlights and lanterns. Lights, cooking equipment and the media center at Zuccotti Park were all turned off.

Fire officials say storing gasoline in such packed quarters is simply too dangerous.

But the protesters are coming up with a new solution – a stationary bike and generator connected to a battery.

“We’ve got five bike-powered generator systems that are coming from Boston and we’ve got five more plus other ones that are going to supplement as well so we’re completely, completely off the grid,” said demonstrator Lauren Minis.

Insiders at Occupy Wall Street say they expect to have their media center and the food service area fully powered and illuminated by Monday.

The movement is also expected to reveal just how much money they have raised and spent in the first five weeks of the Occupy Wall Street campaign.

OWS has reportedly raised nearly $454,000 and has spent more than $50,000 so far for things like food, clothing, medical supplies, laundry, media and other expenses.

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  • Michael Phillips

    pick up a shovel and make some money .. or are you too lazy to do that , too

    • BobbyONJ

      What’s a shovel?

      • vera

        Obamas job creator.

        • mutt

          Too FUNNY!!!

        • justsmithers

          This whole occupy thing is just another Obama shovel-ready project: getting major funding and producing nothing; living off the taxpayer and begging for more; full of self-esteem but for all intents and purposes, totally worthless; taking up space and stinkin’ up the place; being green and totally inefficient; costing the taxpayer money for police protection while sh! tting on the police car that protects them; full of useful idiots who are merely slaves while the ‘haves’ like Michael Moore lecture them and then go back to their multi-million dollar mansions, and while their hierarchy sit on $500,000 and don’t give it out to their own needy in their distress during a snowstorm; they are whole-heartedly endorsed by Obama (at least until the reality of the situation can no longer be glossed over by Obama’s darlings (the MSM) and public anger sets in, in which case they are wholeheartedly abandoned by Obama, who will then blame it on someone else, like Bush, or the fact that he really didn’t know what it was all about).

          And then they beg for more. They must think we’re stupid.

          • Tim

            NOT begging….DEMANDING!

    • JMc

      “Oh no, earning money would be against our…hey, wait a minute….”

  • Susan Dupree Keller

    Go home you idiots the party is over. Mom wants you to clean the basement.

    • Bobo

      I will not clean then basement. It’s clean enough for me and Suzie to live there and have sex,.

  • wildwood15

    You’re acting like these people are actually NEEDY. Why don’t they go back to their homes with the parents who encouraged them to take out tens of thousands of dollars in loans for ART MAJORS?

  • hk3

    Obviously mother nature has no use for the occupiers either. If they really are discontent with their place in the economic pecking order perhaps they might think about putting more effort into hard work and trying to accomplish something other than an impersonation of a leech.

  • pen

    Let me get this straight – they wont share their food with the homeless but they will certainly ask them for tips???? Can you say hypocrite?

  • http://johnwsmart.wordpress.com/ JWS

    this OWS stuff has now become pathetic. why should anyone donate to this petulant camp out? What started as an idea to address corruption in government and on Wall Street is now a bunch of idiots who haven’t enough sense to go home when a blizzard hits. How did ows BECOME A ABOUT A PARK?

  • LisaL

    stoners

  • Gordon Corey

    Idiots

  • Lone Gunman

    Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of morons!! I hope they get 36 inches of the stuff and freeze their gonads off!

    Go home idiots and try to do something constructive with your miserable lives!

    Signed;

    SOMEONE WHO WORKS FOR A LIVING!!

  • 1cliff11

    HaHA! Useless Idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • lizsalander

      Yes, you do have the right to protest, as guaranteed by our constitution – but if you don’t see the hypocrisy of the OWS campers, then you are being intentionally dense – they have half a million in the bank, which they are fighting over amongst themselves, yet are still begging for handouts and donations, all the while complaining about the truly homeless eating their food, stealing their belongings, etc, while disrupting the lives of the people who happen to live on or near ZP with noise, filth, and trash. Surely you are capable of seeing the blatant contradictions in their behavior, and why most of us find nothing admirable about it at all. Plus, their selective outrage shows their intellectual dishonesty – they fawn all over Sarandon and the bloated Michael Moore, and give Soros a pass.

    • Richard Halavais

      God Richie, what a moronic rave. You very obviously have very large psychological problems and should immediately check into the nearest mental hospital for a very long stay. You’ll feel much better on your meds,

    • Andy

      Unlike you jackass, the real 99% of America DOES know what’s going on. Because the real 99% aren’t a bunch of dope smoking retards that want everything for free. If you people really were the 99%, you could have taken over every city in America in one day, because the Police, the Military and most of the politicians would have been right in there with you. Now go home boy, you people have already made absolute fools out of yourselves. Save some of your dignity at least.

      • fast

        Pilot, you are a lier, and a George Soros MERCENARY,you don’t give a crap about the Constitution, you are using the Constitution as an excuse, to defend your boys, the Obama’s encampment dwellers who represent the 0.00099% of the population; you are one of those who DEMONIZE THE TEA PARTY,

    • JapesMacFarland

      Wrong Richie. If you were smart, you would know that it was a dumb idea for the government to tell banks they could give loans w/out having to worry about being paid back. Of COURSE banks and big buiss. are greedy! That’s nothing new. What’s new is the government coming along and taking away their risk. It was risk that held their inherent greed at bay.
      You should be in Washington, but you’r leftism won’t allow you to see the obvious in what I’ve just written.

      • 1cliff11

        Very well said JapesMacFarland

        Once the government removed that risk of failure, (back during the Clinton years), greed was unbridled throughout the banking industry.

        You see Richie, it wasn’t the lack of regulations that caused this mess. It was the fact that the government let the banking industry know (under Clinton), that the Taxpayers would be on the hook, when this would all come crashing down. Which it finally did in 2008.

    • John Benson

      Richie… You know the Mel Gibson character in “Conspiracy Theory” ? That’s what your nonsense reminds people of.

      You sonny, have let your “creedo ” turn you into a nutburgers with fruitcacke on the side.

    • yama

      Hey what are you doing using a computer from a big corporation and telephone lines and electricity from another corporation?!? Go play in the snow with the rest of them!!!!!!!!

    • OBOZOSUX

      I suggest you put a rock or two less in your crack pipe before you post. it’s better to to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. P.S. Get a job parasite!

    • Son of Bob

      Richie,

      Actually, since the communists are funding this phony protest it kind of blows a hole in your theory.

    • Rascal69

      Geez Richie! Having an opportunity to speak freely doesn’t necessarily mean I have to freeze my A$$ off in a tent pitched to receive the full impact of the rain, snow, sleet coming down from the skies above. Who ever said that to have free speech you need to slam your lazy A$$ down in the middle of a park and wait for handouts? The answer to that question would be: An idiot.

    • Leo Leone

      You want to be praised for your sloth, drunkeness, ignorance, litterbugging, and peeing in public parks?

      That’s not what built this country, you dullard. And we’ll thank you to stop trying to associate yourselves with the majority of Americans who spend their time more wisely and productively..

    • justsmithers

      “If you don’t like what I’m saying…just shut up and like it .”

      I guess you define Free Speech as anything that you agree with, right? I like the fact that three lines earlier you emphatically state “These people are exercising their first amendment right to free speech.” Well, what about the Free Speech of people who DON’T agree with you? You know, the real 99% of America?

      Hypocrite and useful id10t. The blind enabling the blind and not having enough sense to come out of the (frozen) rain. Living in your own filth voluntarily, while much of the world actually suffers horrors you guys can’t even dream of during your drugged-up twinkle sessions.

    • Blah Blah Blah

      This from someone that would take away my 2nd Amendment right in a blink of an eye.

  • jj

    OWS – art majors with $150,000 student loans freezing their asses off because they have no jobs …. who cares and won’t find one

    • oilforjesus

      You have the English skills of a 9th grader…

      • not sure

        and you would know

      • JapesMacFarland

        And you’re just a name caller. lol ;)

    • Tricia Goecks

      and they picked a major that doesn’t pay very much for most graduates and they financed their entire college plus living expenses plus drinking money because…..why?

      I graduated from a Catholic university with only $2,000 in student loans. I lived at home, took courses at a community college, commuted an hour each way to school, worked part time, and kept my partying down to a minimum. Mommy and daddy didn’t pay for my education. I did. The fact that they are swimming is student loan debt and have poor job prospects is because of the choices that they made.

      • Just a guy

        Amen. Could not have said it better myself. Debt is something you incur to generate more income than it costs to borrow. No one made you sign on the dotted line – and if you were too stupid to figure it out then how am I to blame? We TRIED to give you a basic understanding of economics in high school – and you thought that ‘stuff’ was ‘dumb’ and ‘how was it ever going to be meaningful in my life?’

        Admit it – thats what you thought when the adults around you were trying to educate you about reality – you were a teenage idiot who thought your parents were uncool, and the lessons in character were things the dweebs learning in the boy scouts and those who got good grades while you got high, or drunk, or hung out with your friends.

        Personally, I actually learned something in college and then graduate school and took time off between college and grad school to learn a career and then apply it so that when I got my advanced degree someone would be willing to pay for me knowledge. OTOH – you were painting pretty pictures or getting an English degree – or some other worthless major like Women’s Studies or Minority or Diversity Studies for which there are no jobs and never have been – except for other fools like you who got a college teaching position.

        I worked almost full time while in Grad school and earned a degree and minimized by debt. I NEVER went to Spring Break at some sunny or ski destination – I could not afford it – and my mother was poor as dirt and my father left when I was 6 months old and I LEARNED the school of hard knocks and the life I did NOT want to learn.

        I have no sympathy for those who claim they are looking out for the downtrodden and won’t share their food with those who are truly down on their luck, mentally ill, or needy. You embarrass me.

  • Mike

    Good..

    Back to mommy’s basement

  • RightWay2012

    There is plenty of logic in Andrew’s statement. OWS protesters hate big corporations. So it would be hypocritical of them to use material from bit bad corporate America. You know, things like their cell phones, A&F clothing, etc. Someone in the group should make the clothing and give it away to the others. You know, communist style. The leader could determine who is best equipped to sew, they would obey their leader and work hard to make the clothing, then give it to their leader free of charge so that their leader could choose who gets the clothing. Of course, the leader will choose those most loyal to the communist party. Absolutely! Andrew’s statement makes perfect logic.

    • willis

      It’s not about corporations.

      It’s about ME! ME!! MEEEEE!!!!!!!

  • Puddintane

    Let them eat global-warming.

  • crypticguise

    The OWS numbskulls already have over $ 500,000 in their pockets. They are also using a non-profit, communist associated organization (legal organization) to front their non profit status.

    They can pay for what they want, just as you or I have to pay for what we want. I think most who pay attention to these IDIOTS are sick of their nonsensical whining and moaning and bitching about corporations and banks without an iota of understanding what a corporation is.

    They should move their stinky butts to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and go to the source of their PROBLEMS. Then again, most of them aren’t really informed sufficiently to realize that the government has created this mess.

  • IAMRIGHT

    These dirty, greedy dirtbag parasites should go back to mommy’s cellar, nasty Flea Party members. Rotten theiving, disgusting rapist fleabaggers. Hell, they won’t even feed the homeless, they’re too greedy hoarding stuff people GAVE them. Spread the wealth, you fleabagger hypocrite filth.
    I’m no fan of police brutality, but i’d love to see these anti-American filth bonked upside the head many, many times. THAT would be good TV

    • BobbyONJ

      In what state is Valley Forge?

      • Ibedavey

        “In what state is Valley Forge?”

        OWS probably believe it to be in a state of foreclosure.

    • justsmithers

      I think they should be renamed the “Free Baggers” as they want it all for free. I was going to write “Free Party” members, but that name would unfortunately be associated with the freedoms that Americans enjoy, and some id10t would vote for them.

      Either way, they have all become squatters, living off the taxpayers’ contributions and taxes. Heh, for a moment there I thought I was writing about the politicians in Washington, D.C. My bad.

  • willis

    Dopesicles!

  • Redneckjoe

    Those OWS freaks better be glad I’m not the mayor of NYC. Now would be a great time for the NYFD to spray down the park to clean it up don’t you know :)

    • IAMCORRECT

      Why do you hate America?

      • Andy

        Why are you stupid?

      • JapesMacFarland

        I think his angst comes from believing it is they who hate America. Trouble is, the leftist, State run schools haven’t taught us what America really means, or why it is more special than any other country, ever. People are ignorant on both sides.

  • Yorkshire

    Gimmme, gimme, gimme. NO. Do what I didi – work

  • SandyK

    What happened to the $500K they have stashed away in the bank? Maybe they should spring for the stuff they want, hmmmm?

    • BobbyONJ

      It’s now in the “Acorn” coffers.

      • Betty

        Yep!

    • Ernest Zavala

      They used a bank? LOL

      • BobbyONJ

        By “coffers” I could have meant the trunk of a car.

  • bitteritpro

    I am sick to death of hearing how these people want free stuff given to them. “I wan’t some else’s money given to me”, “I want my school loans forgiven”, now it’s “give us blankets and warm clothing so we can keep sitting here and moan for other people’s stuff to be given to us”. Do these people know nothing else other than to be envious of others and demand they be given free stuff?

    • Bill Smith

      They can have free snow and cold, and most likely a free grave.

  • Tim

    Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow…The chicken has the brain the size of a pea, but even it knows when to come in out of the bad weather.

    • RS

      Pretty sad to compare the gimme whiners to Valley Forge.

      Shame on you.

      • BobbyONJ

        IAMCORRECT = Not a shred of shame.

    • TJM

      you really think that’s the right analogy? Give it some more thought

    • Tom B.

      Continental Army these chickens are not, YOUARENOTCORRECT.

      • BobbyONJ

        Think IAMCORRECT is posting via IPhone, IPad, or some other heathenly produced product right from Ground Z? Yes, you’re right. The 30 year old is posting from mommy and daddy’s basement.

        • lvh

          U really have to see some of the “basements” on the east coast. I always laugh at that comment.

          I have a basement that serves quite well for anyone who needs accomodations.

          On the east coast they are not “root” cellars.

          Not saying I agree with them…just an observation.

    • chic

      To compare this group of spoiled people, who live in the best country on earth, BECAUSE of the Continental Army, WITH the Continental Army is beyond delusional and offensive to every American who knows their history.

    • JR

      You’re really comparing these fools with the Continental Army?

    • NOYOURENOT

      Yeah, that’s the same.

    • IAMRIGHT

      Go take a shower, you smell bad, fleabagger.

      • BobbyONJ

        Fleabaggaer? Name calling #2. You need new material Moochelle.

    • Chazman

      Comparing the Continental Army to the vermin infesting Zuccotti Park is specious at best.

    • GodisProLife

      Are you serious? The Continental Army was fighting for freedom. These idiots are fighting for everyone else’s money. No comparison whatsoever.

      • JMc

        The only ‘freedom’ they want is freedom from a work ethic.

    • Marion Iori

      So many brave American miltary fought and died in the snow all over the world. Don’t bother with the nasty remarks. Don’t you dare compare this mob with our fighting men and women.

    • Son of Bob

      You’re seriously comparing a bunch of freeloading hippies to the Continental Army? Lol…idiot.

    • XNYer

      Don’t even go there!!

      These people wouldn’t have lasted 30 minutes at Valley Forge.
      They are a pathetic bunch of whiney dopers who couldn’t survibe on their own.

    • AZ All Day

      Your name should be “IAMAMORON”

    • bumpkin

      Hmm. I bet it HURTS today to be a wo/man of one’s word today, huh! Perhaps they will all change their minds and let the improvement of the Nation start directly with them, each, individually?! IF WE ALL would just determine that we would each never lie or cheat again, and that we will strive to keep GODs commandments in our own lives, we would have NOTHING to complain about. However, it would take every last one of us, and that would mean there is no room for athiests.

      • Greg

        Read your Bible. Gods commandments were given to us to stir up sin and help us see that we cannot do it, and thus cry out for God’ grace.

        • MJ

          Don’t you not think the Creator might be multi-faceted enough to have more than one reason for giving the commandments?

    • Redneckjoe

      IAMCORRECT : These pea brain chicken dopes are fighting for freebies not FREEDOM, you jibblet brained enabler!

    • Redneckjoe

      IAMCORRECT : These pea brain chicken dopes are fighting for freebies not FREEDOM, you turkey brained enabler!

    • Deathbyliberals

      Comparing yourselves to the Continental Army is a bit of a stretch. They had a legitimate cause; Fighting for the right to pursue their own happiness by freeing themselves fom government oppression. Not to demand the government provides their happiness which can’t be done and all vain attempts to do so just end up as more government oppression.

    • BrianL

      What kind of moron makes that kind of analogy? The Continental Army risked their lives for freedom while these idiot protestors are foaming at the mouth for more government. But you already knew that.

      I fail to believe that you are so stupid as to make that ridiculous comparison. What you ARE doing is making a desperate attempt to give the spoiled-brat protestors an ounce of legitimacy, but it won’t work.

      What these kids should do is make a personal protest against their own laziness and earn a living on their own. Start like a lot of successful people do by waiting tables, cleaning dishes, or (oh, the horror!) mopping up toilets. But no, that’s not what entitlement is all about. For these buffoons, the only work that is good enough for them is blogging or working in an environment where they get paid to be professional complainers.

      But I say give these kids what they want. Give them a nice plot of land in the midwest where they can grow their own food, make their own clothing, release themselves from the shackles of corporations by tossing out their iPhones and WiFi, and share everything with each other. We’ll see how long it takes before they change their mind about capitalism. It will probably be around the same time they get sick because they couldn’t create penecillin.

      • producer

        Yeah, I’ve done all of the above jobs, and worse, since I was 16. Because of that, I pulled myself up into the top tier. The OWS are a bunch of pansies and are now showing us that they can’t pull their own weight if their life depended on it! Thanks for providing the exclamation mark, Mother Nature!

        I’ve worked with a bunch of losers like those OWS—so many jobs are too beneath them. Those are the types corporate America has shed over the past few belt-tightening years. Those corporations are doing just fine without them!

        Hard work is a real good lesson, IMHO. It’s unAmerican to think that there are any (honest and legal) jobs Americans wouldn’t do!

      • viper

        HEY, I live in the Midwest, how about just south of Tucson, AZ. Maybe they can get jobs as mules. How about Death Valley? North Korea? The Marianas Trench?

        • lukenev

          Hey Death Valley is a great place not there. I’d like to donate a swift kick in the hind end and a “get to work jackass”.

    • brightlts

      Hey, IAMCORRECTl you Liberal Socialist Drone that think you part of the solution instead, you are part of the problem. The difference between a winner and a looser is the winner keeps getting up after being knocked down.

      I live in a neighborhood that is over 90% immigrants (first US generation) from Vietnam. It is a newer middle class area. These people came here knowing they could get ahead by working hard (none are Doctors or Attorneys) or by eduction or both. Since none have degrees they all work very very hard and ensure their children do well in school. They are successful, happy, healthy people and FAMILIES not looking for any handouts from the Government. Most are even are taking care of their live-in parents.

      So, “Fair Share People” if you want to make something of your life (its never too late) then get up and dust yourself off. If not, some legal immigrant who dreams of being part of the “American Dream” will pass you by!

    • Sam Adams

      The Continental Army was at their Home. If this king hessien had an “R” after his name, you aimless cry babies would be yelling Peace Now. O has added 3 more wars w/o notifing Congress: Libia, Uganda and Yemen. And O has an assination list that included an American Citizen.

      • chris dallas

        reminds me of stalingrad… but the true SOCIALIST YUK would have just taken from the Jewish to keep ther hellish sorry souls warm. I hope good will overcome the crap we are putting up with now.

    • Good One

      Well said! I had chickens. They had a puny brain and they definitely knew enough to come in out of the rain – and they contributed eggs to boot. So far, chickens 2, OWSers 0.

  • Andrew Nutra

    The warm clothing and tents they’re using better not be made by corporations!

    • BobbyONJ

      Yes there is. It’s just over your head.

    • Janelle

      You are anything but correct.

    • horn

      There is no logic to your statement.

    • porchhound

      so when does the lack of logic stop YOU from your inane posts?

    • carlton jenkins

      ha! especially if the stuff is made in China!

      • JMc

        No, China is ok because they provide jobs for children. Just ask Apple!

    • Joseph Klein

      You are totally wrong and misinformed. One fact among many you ignore is that this mob is a creature of the far Left which wants to overthrow capitalism. Occupy Wall Street’s fiscal sponosr for IRS non-profit tax exempt donation purposes is the radical Alliance For Global Justice. The Alliance is also the fiscal sponsor of such ‘worthwhile’ charitable organizations as Anarchists Against the Wall and the World Can’t Wait (sounds alot like the Obama campaign’s mantra “we can’t wait”).
      http://afgj.org/?page_id=524

      • IAMCORRECT

        I assume you masturbate to Hannity.

        • Larry Burdge

          If you’re asking if I have a “tinggly” feeling run up and down my leg every time I hear Obama speak,,, The answer in not just no, But HELL NO. cracker

        • workordie

          looser

        • JapesMacFarland

          You disgusting, leftist, parasitical racists are ‘coming out’ in force. It’s pretty gross to watch.

  • NavyOne

    A naval officer’s (and former bike messenger’s) take: http://themellowjihadi.com/2011/10/30/york-city-snow-storm-scatters-flakes-wall-street/

  • JoeAstroturf

    To protest this horrible corruption of capitalism I think George Soros should give some one’s family a million dollars if their willing to freeze to death for the Wall Street protest cause. He can use some of the 2 billion dollars he made with Obama’s Brazil oil deal for it. I know he won’t get one of his paid lackeys down on Wall Street to do it but one of the idiots might go for it. If any of the hot looking chicks down there want to take his 30 year old girlfriends place he would like them to drop by.

    Check out song called “teapartiers I can’t hear you” on yotube

    Here’s a verse

    Doctors are retiring earlier but we’re getting 17000 new IRS
    This is how Obama creates health care jobs I guess
    For 235 years this country’s been God’s blessing.
    Now he’s following Cloward and Piven’s to bankrupt the country I’m guessing
    If Obamacare gives Grandma and Grandpa a scare
    Think how when their rationed and die earlier we’ll save on healthcare

    • BobbyONJ

      Name calling? The definition of “moonbot”. So predictable……

    • Michael Phillips

      Looks like someone who thinks they’re right all the time is the idiot.

    • Shady

      IAMCORRECT, why don’t you supply some argument rather than just shooting down others with pathetic 1-liners?

      It’s obvious that you’re in favor of OWS, but afraid to voice any original thought since it will expose your lack of knowledge on the subject.

      • viper

        “These aren’t the droids your looking for.” “These aren’t the droids were looking for.” They can go about their business.” ” They can go about their business.” “Move along.” Life is not like Star Wars; (Censored). That took restraint-Learn From it.

      • IAMCORRECT

        Because you are not intellectually capable of comprehending what I would write, so I will not waste my time on you.

    • 12thLegion

      I guess someone had to stay home in a nice warm house, behind their corporate made computer and defend these moochers by calling others names. Nice for you that you were chosen.

      • greenbananas

        like a famous musician once wrote:
        You gotta stand for something, or you’ll fall for anything:

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