Exclusive: Questions Arise On Whereabouts Of Stamford Xmas Fire Smoke Detectors, Extinguishers

Sources: Father Hires Private Investigator; Madonna Badger 'In Safe Place'

STAMFORD, Conn. (CBS 2) — CBS 2 has learned exclusive new information on the deadly Christmas day fire that killed three little girls and their grandparents in Fairfield County.

Tony Aiello reports smoke detectors and fire extinguishers may have been removed from the home, and that girls’ father has hired private investigators.

It’s been one month since the fire that broke countless hearts and took five lives – Sarah, Grace and Lily Badger and grandparents Pauline and Lomer Johnson.

As Stamford police investigate, they’re trying to answer a key question: were battery-operated smoke alarms and several fire extinguishers removed from the home sometime before the fire?

Police refused comment Wednesday, but Aiello has learned several construction workers told investigators the alarms and extinguishers were taken out of the house and stored in the garage, as painters began working on the interior.

Police aren’t the only ones asking questions.

Matthew Badger, the girls’ father, has hired private investigators to look into the circumstances surrounding the fatal fire.

“A private investigation firm can really focus and narrow the scope of their investigation and stay full-time on it,” private investigator Michael Ciravolo said.

Ciravolo, a retired NYPD investigator, is not associated with the firm working for Matthew Badger, but he said it’s a good move to bring in outsiders to supplement the work of police.

“If they find something that in their estimation is criminality or negligence on the part of someone, they have a duty and I’m sure they will take it to the police,” Ciravolo said.

A focus of the investigation has been on Michael Borcina, the contractor renovating Madonna Badger’s home. He’d also been dating her.

Despite an outpouring of support, Madonna Badger is obviously struggling with the terrible loss of her daughters and parents. She said at their funeral …”when I used to hear about people losing a child I would say I could never ever, ever live through losing my babies.”

A source told Aiello that Madonna Badger “is now in a safe place, surrounded by family and long-time friends.”

Meanwhile, Stamford police hope to wrap up their investigation in the next week or two.

Please offer your thoughts in the comments section below …

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One Comment

  1. Deborah Jeffries says:

    She didn’t seem very emotional during the clips of the memorial service or funeral. A normal reaction to losing your entire family would be like poor Matthew Badger falling to pieces. When my father died, I cried for a month till my eyes were swollen shut.

    1. Whatever says:

      Well, that was YOU. Can you possibly process the idea that not everyone reacts the same way? You are not the judge and jury of how people should grieve or whether their grief is sincere, etc.

      Good God, what is wrong with some of you?? Are you so full of resentment and bitterness that you have to get your kicks from sucker-punching a woman who has lost everything??? Calling this woman a “trollop,” taking shots at her lifestyle (which you obviously envy) and so on is NOT expressing an opinion…it is, as I said, reveling in another’s misery. How utterly inhuman and despicable!

    2. Francis Ford says:

      Good for Matthew!
      There’s a brand new “Lily/Sarah/Grace Fund”
      http://www.lilysarahgracefund.org/

  2. Francis Ford says:

    Dr Lieberman is recommending M steer clear of B in order to heal:
    “…don’t depend on boyfriend, Michael Borcino. ”She probably should start by ditching her boyfriend,” suggests Dr. Lieberman. “Though it is unlikely that he purposely started the fire, he certainly isn’t someone she can lean on. And she will always blame him for the fire. What will help — in addition to ongoing psychiatric treatment — may be turning to God and her religion, throwing herself into her work, doing volunteer work — ”
    http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2012/01/26/madonna-badger-suicide-attempt-doctors/

  3. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Do you trolls live in Mr. Rogers neighborhood? Yes I live in a bad area and as a lifelong city resident, I’ve seen too many wealthy people like Badger get away with murder, manslaughter. She’s being treated differently because of her wealth and sympathy of Mayor Pavia who himself should be investigated because of the demolition.

    1. Whatever says:

      “Yes I live in a bad area and as a lifelong city resident, I’ve seen too many wealthy people like Badger get away with murder, manslaughter.”

      Well, that explains it. Resentment and envy, pure and simple. She had what you don’t, and so you’re glad she lost it all.

      Sick, sick, sick.

      1. NYC10009 says:

        You show an amazing lack of reading comprehension, Whatever/Cherry. Usually, I don’t waste time responding to your astonishing idiocy, but in this case, I must. Deborah never said she is “glad she lost it all,” nor did she ever imply that. This is a perfect example of how you skew facts and attempt to rewrite history. It’s also indicative of your low intelligence level. Deborah and others, including myself, only want justice for the five victims of this horrific event, and the two who caused it to be held accountable, so others can learn and this event won’t repeat itself in the future. The truth is the only way to raise public awareness and prevent more tragic loss of lives in the future. Yet you would prefer everybody keep the blinders of denial on, as you do.

        Now go back to sticking your head in the sand, like a good little sheep.

        1. Whatever says:

          Oh I see. So ripping this woman who lost everything to shreds is going to raise public awareness and prevent more tragic loss of lives in the future. How noble of you.

          Sorry, but you aren’t fooling anyone with working brain cells.

  4. Deborah Jeffries says:

    No I’m not kind when it comes to you suckers (translation: trolls) who buy Madonna Badger and her mechanically inclined gigolo’s BS. This suicide story was orchestrated by her camp and there’s no evidence it’s even true. Maybe her and the tool time man are getting their passports ready.

    1. Suzette says:

      Some anonymous “relative” of hers said today that it was not a serious attempt, she wasn’t even harmed, and she is now hiding out in Kentucky.

      1. Whatever says:

        Some anonymous relative of yours said to crawl back under your rock, pronto.

  5. Francis Ford says:

    There is a support page for matthew badger

    There is also support page for madonna badger

    Now there are two foundations where one can donate money to if one chooses.

    And there are news report pages like this one with a comments sections like this one where people are free to comment about the story from any angle they care to. People have different opinions about this and any other story and each has a right to voice it.

    This page is not a support page for Madonna Badger nor was it ever intended to be.

    1. Suzette says:

      Good morning, sane posters. You are correct, Francis. That is not a Madonna Badger fan site. It is a news site, where people have a right to voice their opinions on her and her carpenter consort. But there is a small segment of people who champion bad behavior. They identity with glitz over substance, with immorality and the arrogance of celebrity, and possess only a minimal regard for the loss of human life. They often empathize with murderers and will rabidly defend them. They feel that a death caused by recklessness or negligence is no biggie. On the Internet, we call such people “trolls,” because they attack anyone not sharing their repulsive views. They are baiters. Instigators. Up to no good and throroughly unlikeable. This site, like many others, has become infested with them. Too bad, but I hope the rest of you, the majority, will carry on. I will rejoin you when there is news on this case, hopefully positive news that will bring us one step closer to seeing justice for the five victims who lost their lives in the Stamford inferno.

  6. adam says:

    Yes, I too have a lot of questions about this tragedy, why it had to happen and why there was a failure to prevent it from happening. I would like to comment further on my thoughts, but refuse to respond in this forum of unintelligent, irrational and belligerent comments. It is obvious that Deborah Jeffries and some of her disciples here are mentally handicapped people who have nothing better to do in life than sit in the judgment seat of others without knowing all of the intimate facts of the situation and who make all kinds of absurd assumptions relating to this horrible tragedy. There is nothing wrong with expressing one’s opinion, but the way it is being done here is despicable. Calling people “trolls” because they express sympathy or disagree with your views, and then to make lewd, vile and disgusting sexual innuendos about those who have suffered from this tragedy shows how sick and childish some people can be. There has been a world-wide outpouring of love and sympathy for the Badgers (including mine), and you who feel otherwise are in a distinct minority. Isn’t it enough punishment for the Mother who lost her three daughter and her parents, to have to relive and suffer from this tragedy for the rest of her life? Obviously, some of you hungry wolves here think not. Contrary to some comments here, Monica Badger attempted to rescue her children, but was restrained by the fire fighters. The fire was too brutal even for the fire fighters to save the children and parents. Why didn’t she or Borcina call 911–who knows. The house was in engulfed in flames and filled with thick smoke. Can you imagine awakening to a raging smoke filled fire in your home. What would you do? You don’t know because you haven’t been in that exact situation and hopefully never will be. Get a life–go out and do some good in the world instead of spending your time with all of this mindless, gossipy gutter trash and speculation about this tragedy.

    “To err is human; to forgive, divine.”

    1. Cherry says:

      adam,
      Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with most of what you said. However, I don’t think “sitting in judgment” is a bad thing. As human beings, we need to judge people in order to protect ourselves. It’s how you judge, and the facts that lead to your judgement that are important.

    2. Suzette says:

      What a sanctimonious dope. See, I didn’t call you a troll, although you are one. Have you ever had an original thought in your life? I would guess not. You sound like a gullible sheep baa baaing platitudes about a woman whose association with a common thug resulted in the horrific deaths of her entire family. Since you seem to fancy yourself a spokesperson, you should at least get her name right, so that you don’t look like a complete idiot who just dropped in on this story five minutes ago! You might want to review the first sentence of your love sonnet to “Monica,” as you call her, because in it, you show a glimmer of a brain cell. May it grow and good luck.

      1. Whatever says:

        Judging from your comments, it’s clear that you are a bitter, miserable excuse for a human being.

        1. Suzette says:

          Now, now, you are showing your troll mindset again.

      2. adam says:

        Suzette–thank you for your compliment of calling me “sanctimonious”! You certainly have a charming way with BIG words, albeit somewhat twisted. I am willing to speculate (albeit you and Deborah are really the experts on speculation) that you graduated from Harvard University Summa Cum Laude with highest honors in English Literature. You question whether I have ever had an original thought. Do you really think that “speculation” is original. In a court of law, facts based on speculation or heresay would immediately be over ruled and throw out of the testimony. Until you know the real facts, you have no basis for most of the suppositions you make and rubbish you post here. Also, constantly calling everyone a “troll” when they disagree with you gets to be SO boring and is hardly original. Why don’t you consider applying for a job at the National Enquirer or similar rag magazine? You would be so highly qualified for and adept at that job, as one of their top reporters. I speculate that the garbage you spew out in your postings here would make for “juicy fodder” in their magazine. Lastly, sorry for my error in referring to Madonna as Monica. It was probably done in a subconscious attempt to “change her name to protect the innocent”, as the old adage goes. Amen!

    3. Francis Ford says:

      Her name is not Monica Badger

  7. Francis Ford says:

    Another bit of news from CNN:
    “……according to a relative who asked not to be identified.
    Madonna Badger was hospitalized last week for deliberately injuring herself, the relative confirmed. “She’s not seriously injured,” the relative said. “She’s in a safe environment with her family in Kentucky.” http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/26/us/connecticut-christmas-fire/index.html

    1. Suzette says:

      Another great find, Francis. So, this was not a serious suicide attempt (duh), but another narcissistic bid for attention.

      Wonder why the anonymous “relative” wanted to name Badger’s whereabouts?

      1. Francis Ford says:

        to hint she was not near the thug?

        1. Suzette says:

          That was my thought, too.

      2. Cherry says:

        Maybe you should call her up and tell her to try harder next time.

    2. NYC10009 says:

      Translation: “She’s in a safe environment in Kentucky where the police and Matthew Badger’s private investigators can’t find her.”

      1. Suzette says:

        How astute you are, NYC!

        1. NYC10009 says:

          You too, Suzette! Keep on keeping on, and ignore the idiot trolls like Whatever/Cherry.

  8. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Thank you Francis for the page info. I feel so much sympathy and heartache for Matthew Badger. He lost all of his children and was thrust into the media sappy sympathy circus for an estranged wife whose loser BF killed them. I’m tired of hearing about Madonna’s suffering. Matthew Badger has support from people like us who want justice.

    1. Cherry says:

      Well, Deborah
      You must be happy to know that Madonna Badger tried to commit suicide. That would be one less “socialite” in the world; right?

      1. Suzette says:

        Funny. Deborah writes more like a “socialite” than you do, cherry tart.

        1. Cherry says:

          I don’t get it….

      2. Whatever says:

        Deborah previously mentioned she’s from “the other side” of Stamford. Clearly, she resents those who live in the upscale part of town and revels in their tragedies.

        1. Cherry says:

          Whatever –
          Yes, totally true!

        2. NYC10009 says:

          Your assumption makes no sense and is idiotic. Just like all your other posts, Whatever/Cherry.

          You must be a lonely person to keep stalking people on this thread. You seem to be irrationally obsessed with Deborah. I can understand why – she’s an extremely bright woman. But I can understand why you have no friends or life. Suggestion: Stop trolling this thread and get out of the house more.

          1. Whatever says:

            LOL…you are such a tool.

  9. Francis Ford says:

    As I have posted before I really think the Dad here, Matthew Badger should be getting more love and support too! And media coverage too! After all he must be suffering unspeakably as well. There is a new Facebook page called FRIENDS WHO LOVE MATT and a new foundation he has started for the three girls. I hope people will remember the depth of pain this man must be enduring over the loss of his three children.

    1. sue says:

      Thank you for posting this. Matthew is the person for whom I feel the most sympathy.

      How he managed to stand by and watch Borcina act like the interloping bottom feeder that he is at the funeral of his girls is beyond me.

      All Borcina did is paw Madonna and hover over her. Probably worried that his new meal ticket might slip out of his grasp…

      1. Suzette says:

        Agree, sue. It is a testament to Matthew Badger that he got through that funeral without losing his mind, or clubbing the clinging goon who ended his daughters’ lives. Madonna Badger is a real piece of work for bringing him. I cannot fathom how anyone could feel sympathy for her. No moral compass, I suppose. Birds of a feather.

    2. NYC10009 says:

      I agree. And what’s sickening is not only how Madonna showed up arm-in-arm with Borcina at the funeral, flaunting her relationship with their kids’ killer in front of the Matthew, but also the way Madonna she Matthew in her eulogy during the funeral, referring to their deceased children as “MY kids,” not “OUR kids,” even though the poor man was sitting only a few feet away, too overcome with grief to speak. I’m certain all that made his pain even worse.

      1. NYC10009 says:

        Oy, apologies for all the typos! Nix the “the” before Matthew, and the other sentence should read “…but also the way Madonna IGNORED Matthew during her eulogy at the funeral…”

        Gotta stop typing so damn fast!

        1. Suzette says:

          Hi, NYC, I knew what you meant. I did the same thing in two posts this morning!

          1. Whatever says:

            No surprise, since you post on this topic 24/7.

            1. Cherry says:

              Whatever,
              What do you mean?

              1. Whatever says:

                I mean that Suzette and a few others seem to spend their entire days posting on stories relating to the Badger tragedy. They are obsessed…it’s sick. So it’s no wonder Suzette would make a few typos.

                1. Cherry says:

                  Oh I see. I made a typo once, and Deborah told me that it was clear I was not a college graduate. Go figure…

                  1. Whatever says:

                    Deborah writes a sentence like this: “Maybe her and the tool time man are getting their passports ready” – and she’s accusing you of not being a college grad? Priceless…

            2. Suzette says:

              Wrong again, troll breath.

              1. Whatever says:

                But you do! Now, go wipe that foam off your chin and try doing something constructive for a change.

                1. Suzette says:

                  You must be a bar maid.

                  Everyone, we all need to ignore the trolls. We know they couldn’t care less about justice for the victims. They only come here to cry in their cups for the negligent duo that was responsible for the deaths of five people, and to get someone to notice them.

                  1. Whatever says:

                    Please – who do you think you’re kidding? You don’t care one iota about Madonna Badger’s children or parents or about Matthew Badger. All you care about is reveling in someone else’s misery.

                    You’re transparent and pathetic.

                    1. Suzette says:

                      You must be insane.

              2. Cherry says:

                Suzette –
                You remind me of the female character in The Oxbow Incident who was always stirring up the men again whenever any of them suggested that maybe they shouldn’t lynch the poor guy. You are a bully.

            3. NYC10009 says:

              Whatever/Cherry….you seem to be projecting again. I know that’s a big word for you, so look it up. It’s YOU who has no life, since you’ve been busy posting on this thread since 2:00 AM last night, as we can all see from the time stamps. You seem to be irrationally obsessed with many of the women on this thread, which shows a stalker mentality.

              But I suppose it’s hard for you to have a life with your head buried in the sand all the time. Sad.

              1. Whatever says:

                No, I haven’t been posting SINCE 2 a.m., which we can all see from the time stamps. You, however, were posting here morning, afternoon and evening yesterday – all day.

                Speaking of stalker mentalities, your obsession with Madonna Badger fits the bill. Creepy.

                1. NYC10009 says:

                  Sure, you have, Whatever/Cherry. You’ve been on this page since after midnight. And you’re wrong about my online schedule, just like everything else. But that’s okay, we’ve come to expect errors from you.

                  Now go back to sticking your head in the sand, like a good little sheep.

                  1. Whatever says:

                    I have not been on this page since after midnight. “Since” implies continuously, and you will not find continuous posting from me “since after midnight.” You, on the other hand, have posts here from morning, afternoon and night. There is nothing to be wrong about since the time stamps speak for themselves.

                    Try harder next time, loser.

            4. NYC10009 says:

              Whatever/Cherry….you seem to be projecting again. I know that’s a big word for you, so look it up. It’s YOU who has no life, since you’ve been busy posting on this thread since 2:00 AM last night, as we can all see from the time stamps. You seem to be irrationally obsessed with many of the women on this thread, which shows a stalker mentality.

              But I suppose it’s hard for you to have a life with your head buried in the sand all the time.

      2. Cherry says:

        Since they were not married at the time, calling them “our kids” might have been confusing. I find nothing wrong with her wording. Different people express grief in different ways. I think she made that speech as a means of keeping their memory alive in the minds of many people. Because it was too late to actually help them, maybe she felt that was all she could do.

          1. Cherry says:

            I know where it is.

            1. Francis Ford says:

              madonna and matthew are not divorced yet

              1. Suzette says:

                Well, you know, to a troll having no moral compass, living with somebody in the family home before getting the silly old divorce decree was no biggie.

                1. Whatever says:

                  It was HER home, and Matthew Badger had/has a girlfriend. What a sanctimonious buffoon you are.

                  1. NYC10009 says:

                    Yes, Whatever/Cherry, it was HER home, and ultimately make sure that it had working smoke detectors and a Certificate of Occupancy before allowing her family to spend even one night there. Instead, she gave her sociopath contractor BF ultimate power over the safety of her children, even turning a blind eye and allowing him to dispose of dangerous fireplace ashes from HER fireplace however he damned pleased.

                    What an idiot you are, Whatever/Cherry.

                    Now go back to your sticking your head in the sand, like a good little sheep.

                    1. Whatever says:

                      I actually agree with you regarding the ultimate responsibility being Madonna Badger’s re. the CO, smoke detectors and disposal of the embers. However, that does not make her a trollop, skank or murderer as you and your alter egos have stated.

                      Have you considered anger management counseling?

        1. NYC10009 says:

          Actually, they were still married at the time, since the divorce was not finalized. It was narcissistic to only refer to them as “MY kids.” She could have even worded it differently, like “Matthew’s and my children.” There are many ways she could have included the children’s father in the eulogy and not been so narcissistic and insensitive. Especially since he was so overcome with grief that he was unable to give a eulogy himself.

          1. Cherry says:

            They were not “as one”, divorce or not. This “narcissistic” train of thought of yours is really misguided. It’s not a bad thing to have a good opinion of yourself. I think most people with kids they share with a former partner, or even a present partner, have referred to the children as “my kids”. She wasn’t there to heap sensitivity on Mr. Badger, nor he her. She was probably held up with valium or something and just doing her best not to break down before she had finished the eulogy.

          2. Suzette says:

            NYC, did she ever once mention the girls’ father in her 20 minute eulogy speech?

            1. NYC10009 says:

              There was only one “our” when she first started speaking, but the rest of it was self-referential.

          3. Francis Ford says:

            I agree here. It was a slap in Matthew’s face calling them “My girls” repeatedly.
            I found this horribly distasteful (and memorable for this same reason) even knowing she may have been in total shock at the time of the funeral. She certainly had friends to help her edit this eulogy. And the funeral was so deliberately public that her words were very likely hurtful to him in front of hundreds of people. Any separating or divorced person knows how sensitive this use of the word “my” (when it comes to the children) can be in front of your soon to be “ex” spouse.

        2. Francis Ford says:

          they are separated not divorced

    3. Francis Ford says:

      and now he here it is!
      There’s a brand new “Lily/Sarah/Grace Fund”
      http://www.lilysarahgracefund.org/

  10. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Thanks Suzette and Angela for having my back and I got yours too and to Sue and the many others who see the real truth of this tragedy. My mother at the age of eight, the oldest of five, was in a fire that destroyed her home. She’s alive today because my grandmother ran through the flames and saved her kids. Bless my nonni’s soul for that.

    1. Suzette says:

      God bless her soul for that. Interesting parallel. My mom was one of eight, too. When a fire broke out in her bother’s house, he risked his life to save his wife and child. Like your grandmother, he was a true hero.

  11. Elena from Milford says:

    What a disturbingly sick group of folks you all are. You all need serious help.

    1. Cherry says:

      Elena,
      Aren’t they though! They hate this woman because: 1. She’s supposedly a “socialite”; 2. She let her family die because of Michael B…..that’s a stretch; 3. Who knows what else…

      1. JusticeForTheVictims says:

        Simple mind you have there, cherry tart.

        1. Whatever says:

          Speaking of simple minds, the “cherry tart” gives you away, Suzette.

        2. Cherry says:

          Justice –
          That attempt at wit is a fallacious argument called a no sequitur { I disagree with you. Therefore you are simple minded.} It doesn’t follow, JFTV.

  12. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Francis, thank you for bringing out the peculiarity of these suicide attempt reports. News 12 CT today did a sappy report about the suffering of Madonna Badger. They should be talking about the SUFFERING OF MATTHEW BADGER!! Amen.

    1. Francis Ford says:

      I do not assume to know what happened regarding Madonna’s attempted suicide (or not) but I do all readers ought to pay very close to attention to the fact that many media stories are quotes or regurgitations or even complete reprints from other media stories, not actual investigative journalism and reporting. The Demi story last night is an excellent example. The whole media world today is reporting “what TMZ reported”. Huh?

  13. Deborah Jeffries says:

    I think her so called suicide attempt was a clever PR move to gain sympathy from police on the verge of completing their investigation. I wouldn’t put it past her to stage this and the timing is suspect. After all she’s the queen of PR.

    1. sm says:

      Once again..I cannot believe how callous you people are, what happened to let he who has never made a mistake cast the first stone. Typical of the BS and gossip that goes on in this state. So she survived and her children didnt and that makes her a horrible person. Who are you people to judge this woman? Have you walked in her shoes? Now her suicide was a PR move? What a bunch of sick people you all are.

      1. Rochelle says:

        I agree with you sm ….. I don’t understand these sick people. I guess all we can do is keep praying for Madonna and Matthew ! 😦

    2. Angela says:

      And you are a horses behind.

      1. Suzette says:

        Bravo, Angela.

      2. Cherry says:

        Who is a horse’s b…?

    3. NYC10009 says:

      It’s reminiscent of how the media just happened to be there the moment she showed up at her burnt down house to look through belongings that were salvaged from the fire. Somebody in Madonna’s circle would have had to tip the media off, otherwise they never would have been there. And then voila, photos of the grieving victim were plastered all over the news the next day.

      1. Suzette says:

        She is a PR expert, but some people just don’t want to connect the dots!

    4. Whatever says:

      Wow, you really are about nine cents short of a dime calling a suicide attempt “a clever PR move.” Another bitter, miserable excuse of a human being…

      1. Cherry says:

        She is a terrible grouch, and Suzette keeps whipping her up. What a pair!

  14. SM says:

    I cannot believe what I am reading? Whats wrong with you people? The woman just lost her 3 children and her parents and you people are already judging her and calling her narcissistic and immature and making lewd comments like “he filled her love tank?” What kind of people are you? Do you know she tried to commit suicide this week? Look who is calling who immature.

  15. Francis Ford says:

    As an avid media watcher i find something very strange with the coverage of this M. Badger “suicide attempt”: All the media outlets are citing “other sources” and the source most often mentioned first is CBS 2. Yet nowhere do I find any place here in CBS 2 reporting anything story about the suicide attempt. Maybe I am missing something. But check Huffington Post, ABC, the Daily News, Gawker, and all the rest to see what I mean. I begin to wonder if this whole story didn’t begin with the Badger relative that talked to the press about Madonna’s condition.
    In the meantime, Mr. Badger gets lost again in all the media hoopla. He has to be in horrible pain too. I wish the media would cover his story as well!

    1. Suzette says:

      Hi, Francis. the reason more outlets aren’t covering her “suicide attempt,” is because no one has been able to substantiate it with a hospital or doctor. Likely the unnamed “source” was herself, or one of her pals. The timing is awfully suspicious, given that it was released to the media on the very day when it was announced that Mr. Badger had hired the investigator.

      1. Francis Ford says:

        The CBS story above simply says she is “now in a safe place” according to a “source”. But it does not say what happened before she went to this safe place. It almost looks like something was deleted or forgotten in the writing.

        1. Francis Ford says:

          I just read on Gothamist a cooment:

          “The only source we have of her allegedly attempting suicide is from her friend. Not sure if that counts as reliable source of information.”

  16. Angela says:

    My husband did work for this Borcina guy and he never paid him. He sounds to me like a low life dirtbag. He also used to go to AA meetings years ago and I am wondering if there is any possibility he may have been drinking? Anyone who takes fireplace ashes and puts them in a bag on the back porch has to either be drunk or completely and totally stupid.

    1. Francis Ford says:

      I too think he was drinking. I think they probably both were, especially because on Christmas eve many people do drink.

  17. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Dbedford, I live in Stamford and confirmed news reports say the demolition was ordered by the City for safety reasons and the Police Department wasn’t notified though the City claims they told the police. Since this was a crime scene, forensic evidence was lost due to the blunder.

  18. dbeford says:

    Who ordered the house to be taken down without the police knowing about it? Is this true? Is it true that she had to pass the childrens bedrooms while fleeing from the fire? Is that also true?

    1. Suzette says:

      One of the firemen stated that he pulled her down from the scaffolding, a metal structure used to support people and materials during home renovations. The scaffolding was propped against the EXTERIOR of the house, which suggests she already had run outside. It also was reported that she climbed the scaffolding to the roof. This is unlikely, since the roof was ablaze within minutes, thanks to the outdated and dangerous balloon type constuction that was used in this wooden home, when it was built more than a hundred years ago.

      1. NYC10009 says:

        I never believed that story about her being on the roof. It’s exactly as you said – she saved her own ass by running out of the show, and then made a show of trying to rescue her kids by climbing a bit up the scaffolding, but I don’t believe to the roof.

        1. NYC10009 says:

          Typo: “….by running out of the house, and then made a show…”

  19. Deborah Jeffries says:

    These sappy trolls are smoking some serious high grade pot. GOD did not take these victims. The actions of Madonna Badger and Michael Borcina did. Put down the bong trolls and let some fresh air in.

  20. dbeford says:

    I am troubled by this story! Is it true that she actually had to pass by the childrens rooms to escape the fire herself? Is this a hard fact?

    1. Cherry says:

      dbeford – Where did you read about passing the kids’ room?

  21. kim says:

    How can so many people judge what went on in the Badger home that night when none of us was there, and how do you expect this women to recover with all of this negativity being said about here. On chirtmas eve i had to do last minute shopping i live in staten island and for some reason something came across to me to go to manhattan, inwhich i never do, however i jumped on the express bus to 5th ave i decided to go to saks, as i was walking around the store i came accross this tall skinny santa im 43 yrs old but with the softest child like voice i said hey santa with this big smile on my face, santa replied back and said hello there young lady , are you spending alot of money, he also was telling me to enjoy my christmas, the one thing that gets to be about this night is the big glow that was in his eyes it was like the glow of an angel. it was three days after that fire when it hit me that i had a chance to meet Mr Lomer and in my heart i feel a crossed path with an angel that night and i truly believe that there wasnt anything no one could have done when God calls us home.

    1. SM says:

      You are the first person who has said anything so far that makes any sense.

      1. kim says:

        Ty I really wish they would let these people heal and let God himself do the judgment call.

    2. Cherry says:

      kim –
      I doubt that Madonna Badger even knows what is being said here. I’ll bet some of these people wish they could say some of this stuff to her face. You have a good heart and I don’t think you need worry about Madonna hearing about or reading these irrational comments. I hope I am right.

  22. Deborah Jeffries says:

    It’s not just about her not saving her family, it’s about every single step that led to their deaths and all of it was preventable. They weren’t supposed to be living there in the first place. One simple step could’ve averted this horror SMOKE DETECTORS.

    1. Suzette says:

      Exactly. It is like a jigsaw puzzle. One piece in a puzzle may not mean much by itself, but when you have piece after piece laid out before you, which begin to form a chilling picture, you get it. If you have a working brain in your head.

    2. Cris says:

      BEFORE YOU SAY THAT YOU SHOULD CHECK THE FACTS!!
      http://www.thewfsf.org/home.html

      1. Suzette says:

        Why don’t YOU check the facts on that fire safety site? Troll.

      2. Cherry says:

        Isn’t she sweet?

  23. SVance says:

    I don’t want to get all involved in the above name calling and such, but I just have to say that I am a mother of a young child, and when I first read that Badger and her boyfriend survived…and then further read that they were on the roof, which from the article explained they would have had to surpass the kids’ rooms to get there….I didn’t have a good feeling. I would have died trying to save my child. Period.

    1. Cheryl says:

      I absolutely agree with you. I smelled a rat when I read that they were downstairs and that the boyfriend had placed live embers near a stairwell, and he restores old houses???? Surely he was aware of the potential of fire. The whole thing sounds suspicious. The police were too quick to call it an accident. Thank goodness that Michael Badger has called for an investigation, if for no other reason than to clear the boyfriend of a possible serioius crime. If I were in Madonna Badger’s shoes I would WELCOME an investigation.

    2. Rochelle says:

      There are times when you are not allowed to die saving your child …. the fire fighters drag you away !!!!!

      1. Cherry says:

        I did read that firemen prevented her from going into the house. I would really like to know the whole story.

    3. Cherry says:

      I guess I missed this part of the story. Can you tell me where you read the bit about passing the kids’ rooms?

  24. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Hi Suzette, hi NYC and our new common sense club members lol. The fact about no 911 call also adds that they wasted precious time that could’ve saved the victims. Why would they do that? Only logical reason to stall would be if they were covering something up. I know if my home was burning, first thing would be a 911 call as I was leaving.

  25. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Nrichard, troll go back to the land of glitter sparkle fairy dust. I live in the real world where the deaths of five people caused by the recklessness of two, would disgust any sane person.

    1. Suzette says:

      Bravo! Pity the iignorant trolls can’t spray some Windex on their brains to see the facts of the case clearly.

    2. Christopher says:

      You are obviously blind as to your complete and total hatred and sitting in judgment of two people who you know nothing about and your foul mouth has obviously been open for business all day. You are not in their shoes, so why don;t you stop making a fool of yourself.

      1. Suzette says:

        Try to identify with the victims, if you are capable, troll. The two who were responsible for their deaths deserve zero sympathy.

      2. Cherry says:

        Hatred it is. And they will not tolerate any one who disagrees. Kind of reminds me of Nazi Germany.

        1. Whatever says:

          Or the Salem witchcraft trials. Next, they’ll be calling for Madonna Badger and Borcina to be burned at the stake.

  26. Deborah Jeffries says:

    SUICIDE ATTEMPT. MMM YES THE GUILT IS GETTING TO HER OR MAYBE SHE KNOWS MORE? SHE SHOULD FEEL GUILTY!

  27. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Dante and the Inspector, welcome to our common sense club. Refreshing to see people who see this case for what it REALLY is about which is the recklessness of two that caused the death of five. Madonna attempted suicide reports say, amazing what guilt can do to the human mind.

    1. NYC10009 says:

      And depression over all the assets she shared with her husband that she will no longer be entitled to now that the investigators are closing in on the truth.

      1. Whatever says:

        “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.” You don’t know much about divorce law, do you?

    2. Suzette says:

      Hello, Deborah, and welcome to Dan Te and THE INSPECTOR.

      1. Whatever says:

        What the heck are you, the welcome wagon?? GET A LIFE!

    3. Joe from Westport says:

      Gee, how do we join this “common sense club” of yours, is one of the requirements for membership to be a complete idiot? LMAO

      1. Cherry says:

        I think……mm….yes! LOL

  28. DanTe says:

    This is the only “mother” I know of that would run out of a burning home with her boyfriend instead of her children. And than play up the P.R. for days afterwards.

    I noticed how the article on a man who got burnt all over trying to go back into a house to save his kids only got 10 minutes of notice a few weeks ago and no massive P.R. campaign.

    1. NYC10009 says:

      And neither of them even bothered to call 911. Seems they left that to the neighbors.

      1. Suzette says:

        Hi, NYC! That neither of them called 911 is worth noting again and again. Out of all the disturbing facts surrounding this case, no 911 call may be the most telling of all.

        1. NYC10009 says:

          And you know that Badger is the type of woman who is glued to her Blackberry at all times. I’d have been calling 911 and screaming into the phone as I fled out of the house. Of course, I would have also grabbed my kids and parents before leaving, but I’m old-fashioned that way. : )

          1. Suzette says:

            Exactly. And, to your other point, most mothers would save their children first, no matter what!

          2. Whatever says:

            “And you know that Badger is the type of woman who is glued to her Blackberry at all times.”

            You know that, do you? How so?

            “I’d have been calling 911 and screaming into the phone as I fled out of the house. Of course, I would have also grabbed my kids and parents before leaving, but I’m old-fashioned that way. : )”

            Are you an octopus or a superhero? In other words, just how would you “grab” three kids and two parents, all the while screaming into the phone?

            More likely, you’d have been the first one out the door – empty-handed.

            1. sue says:

              Kinda like Borcina was, huh?

          3. adam says:

            NYC10009–the only thing “old” about you is your worn out brain. Unless you could experience the exact same situation that the occupants of the house faced, you can’t say what the hell you would do. You are just shooting from the hip and trying to act “holier than thou”. Oh, and I supposed through mental telepathy you know all about Badger’s Blackberry habits or whether see even has one. Maybe she has a iPhone. Speak when you know what you are talking about and back up your statements with facts, not stupid supposition.

        2. sue says:

          Totally agree. How did neither of them grab their phone?! If they had left them upstairs, as I believe they were on the ground level, wouldn’t one of them get to a phone ASAP?

          I mean, before or while they both ran back into the house to save the others?

          This just makes no sense at all. Why leave and then go back? “on second thought, maybe I will save the kids…”

          Not believing this story at all.

      2. Suzette says:

        Hi, NYC! The fact that neither of them called 911 is worth repeating again and again. Out of all the disturbing facts surrounding the case, that one may be the most disturbing of all.

        1. Suzette says:

          Sorry! I thought my first comment didn’t post, so I tried to remember the wording and posted it again!

  29. THE INSPECTOR says:

    A focus of the investigation has been on Michael Borcina,WHERE IS THE MURDERER OF CHILDREN AND ELDERLY HIDING OUT THESE DAYS..IT CANT BE BETWEEN THE LEGS OF MADONNA CAN IT???????

  30. Deborah Jeffries says:

    I hear the violins playing, no it’s the SAPPY TROLLS AT IT AGAIN!

    1. Jordan J says:

      Take a good long look in the mirror, “Deborah”. The only troll here is you, insulting anyone who dares to disagree with you.
      This was an accident, and tragic for all involved. But since you don’t share that opinion, I expect you will call me a troll or say that I must be a family member because God forbid someone should dare to disagree with you.

      1. NYC10009 says:

        You are a troll and a control freak. Stop trying to censor others who are rightfully outraged at the negligence that caused the needless deaths of five indviduals. If it was merely an “accident,” the police wouldn’t be investigating and the father wouldn’t have hired his own investigator.

        God, you’re a dimwit.

        1. Whatever says:

          Just how many names do you post under, Suzette?

  31. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Bad judgment is gambling your rent money or cheating on your taxes. I would hardly call killing five people a bad judgment call and your saying that minimizes their deaths and suffering as though it were meaningless.

    1. Suzette says:

      Deborah, perhaps they are taking a page from the mother’s own PR release? in it, she said her children had begged her to remove the burning embers from the fireplace, which was tantamount to blaming them for their own horrific deaths. Minimizing those deaths by chalking them up to a bad judgment call, or the equally wrong “just a stupid mistake,” sounds like more garbage from the same garbage can.

      1. NYC10009 says:

        Exactly, Suzette. She actually shows the audacity to point the finger at her dead children as bringing about their own deaths. It’s one of the many reasons I never believed this bogus story. So obviously fake.

        1. Suzette says:

          I agree.

  32. kenyatta2009 says:

    Reblogged this on A Little Local Color.

  33. Francis Ford says:

    the NY post is reporting tonight that madonna badger “tried to take her life” last week and is now ““is now in a safe place, surrounded by family and long-time friends.” The last past is the same as reported here above.. I am not sure why the discrepancy in the reporting

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mother_of_children_killed_tried_FIBHgckDXQ4jemqpPr1a9L

    1. Suzette says:

      Hi, Francis! Thanks for posting the above link. I think siites pick up some of the same news feeds.. Is this what you were wondering?

      1. Francis Ford says:

        Hi S
        No I mean the article above doe not mention Madonna B being “hospitalized” last week whereas the NY post does.

    2. NYC10009 says:

      Guess she’s realizing the jig is up.

      1. Suzette says:

        As a marketing/advertising exec, she spent many years manipulating public perception. so that her clients would look stellar and the public would want to buy their brands. Well, this is one time imanipulation has worked very well. She tried to sell her own lack of culpability, along with that of her creepy boyfriend, and most are not buying it. As you say, she may feel that the jig is up.

        Of course, there is also the possibility that the story of her trying to take her life, which obviously was released to the press by her, or by someone who knows her, isn’t even true.

        1. Suzette says:

          Sorry, trying to multi-task here.That should have read “…this is one time manipulation HASN’T worked very well.”

          1. Whatever says:

            Multitasking to Suzette = posting on as many blogs as possible at the same time.

  34. Jason says:

    Wow – the comments on here are almost as heartbreaking as the story itself. To the trio of trolls Deborah et al, must be nice to have never made a bad decision and be above all judgement. This woman never meant for her children or her parents to die and she will spend the rest of her life in the prison of her mind reliving it every single day. She does not need you to be judge, jury, or executioner. Bad decisions were made but nobody ever for a second thought that this would be the outcome. These are not evil people, they are just people who have now suffered a terrible tragedy. The next time you drive over the speed limit, think about what you would want people to say about you if you crashed and killed someone. After all, it would be your fault and you would be a horrific monster, right?

    1. Suzette says:

      And how would you know “these are not evil people”? Post a link to the tea leaves telling you that. The pesky FACTS surrounding this case show those two in a highly unfavorable light.

      1. Whatever says:

        The only “evil people” are you and your mindless cohorts. I imagine you foaming at the mouth at the thought of Madonna Badger attempting suicide…it probably made your day. Your comments go way beyond expressing an opinion…you are disgusting beyond belief.

        1. Cherry says:

          True again.

    2. Francis Ford says:

      Jason this was not one bad decision but many bad decisions occurring over months not just Christmas eve. That is why the police are investigation. The reason for the public interest IMHO seems to be the persistent feeling that things don’t quite add up in this fire story, and that several (not just one) measure could most probably have prevented some of these deaths. To know there are five dead bodies, three of them young children, and no good answers regarding the fire, but a lot of obvious mistakes made over a period of time is very disconcerting. To see that the evidence was “removed” so quickly (the house tron down immediately and w/o police knowledge) is baffling beyond belief. There is also incredible tragedy here and grief as well which no one reading this story can help but feel.

    3. NYC10009 says:

      Do you also run around defending those who are drunk and kill people on the road as mere “bad judgement,” and don’t believe they should be held accountable? That’s why there’s something called Negligent Homicide. This is the same thing as driving while drunk and killing innocent people, even worse, since there are multiple times this tragedy could be prevented. It’s a string of negligent choices by both Badger and Borcina, especially Badger, that led to the deaths of those five poor individuals.

      Unlike folks like you who prefer to keep your heads buried in the sand and spew cliches, many of us are seeing the chain of events and who should be held responsible extremely clearly, and want justice to be served.

      If you find our insightful comments so “heartbreaking,” take a hike.

  35. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Yeah he saved your life, but somehow couldn’t muster the strength to hold on to three children? Read the newspapers, surf the web and watch TV. All the information about Borcina is there and speaks volumes about his character. You’re probably part of his clan or the Badger tribe anyways.

    1. Suzette says:

      Yep. Evidently, “Dutch” has had several incarnations on this site.

    2. Mark Maddox says:

      Yes! Read the newspapers! Surf the web! Watch TV! They all tell the truth (just like they did with DSK and that poor maid!).

      What a clown you are, Deborah.

      1. Cherry says:

        And what a bully Suzette is.

    3. claudette obrien says:

      yes, i was wondering why he didn’t have a death grip on the girls he lead downstairs.

      1. Suzette says:

        Exactly!

      2. Cherry says:

        Also, assuming Madonna Badger and Borcina were sleeping in the same bed, how did it work out that Borcina went and found the kids and Madonna went outside to try to reach them. I think Borcina lied about that.

        1. Whatever says:

          I’ve wondered about his comment that the girls ran away from him and why he wasn’t able to hold onto at least one of them. Also, I’d think that in such a situation, a child would cling to an adult rather than run away…?

  36. Dutch says:

    Mr. Borcina is a kind, good and gentle man who once saved my life. None of these comments reflect him at all. It is sad and tragic that these lives were cut short, and for those who live without the ones they loved. But there is no reason for ignorant slander.

    1. Suzette says:

      Is that you again, Borcina?

      1. Dutch says:

        Don’t be absurd. Just another citizen with his own opinion and set of experiences trying to offer an unsolicited perspective to an otherwise irresponsible witch hunt.

        1. Suzette says:

          “Witch hunt,”? This is the same dumb phrase you posted on the other thread with a different alias, troll.

          1. Dutch says:

            witch-hunt (witch-hunts plural) A witch-hunt is an attempt to find and punish a particular group of people who are being blamed for something, often simply because of their opinions and not because they have actually done anything wrong.

            First, it is not a dumb phrase but rather an apt phrase.

            Second, I am not Mr. Borcina nor am I a troll. I am a man of universities and learning, who after stumbling onto this page only to see his friend being torn apart, decided to try to offer a different point of view.

            And lastly I will not continue this pointless exercise in trying to share my perspective if not one among you is even willing to imagine that the man you are painting as a plotting, scandalous, evil “goon” could be nothing of the sort. As I said, Mr. Borcina is a kind, good and gentle soul.

            However, it does beg the question: Why are you so full of venom?

            1. Suzette says:

              You are such an obvious and boring baiiter. Go go write a love letter to thug man Borcina. Tempus fugit.

            2. Cherry says:

              I’m glad you explained the use of the word “witch-hunt” because it is important to be accurate when making a point. Suzette is a bully; hence her attempt to discredit what you said by calling the word “dumb”.

              1. Cherry says:

                On the other hand it seems to have been Borcina who caused this fire; by taking out the battery operated smoke alarms and then putting embers in a bag, not dousing them with water and leaving them in a place where they could ignite flammables.

                1. Francis Ford says:

                  To me, the whole problem in this whole mess is the lack of answers in what is truly a horrifying and tragic incident. I personally believe the bungled investigation, especially the immediate destruction of the burned house (the only real evidence there was) authorized by the buildings dept but not cleared by the police has led to the public’s on-going obsession with this story. Answers would help. I hope the Stamford police can come to a conclusion soon. But maybe there will always be many unanswered questions.

    2. sand says:

      may i ask how he saved your life??

    3. Francis Ford says:

      Well, B might have been a good and kind and gentle man in your personal case, Dutch, but the newspaper reports paint a very different picture Mr. Borcina and his former clients have nothing good to say about him! Mr B owes several people money and has been impossible to find when it came to serving him with papers. This is hardly” ignorant slander” but rather, recently reported news stories by well known media outlets (unless you want to accuse them of slander too). You can look these things up easily yourself to read what people have to say. Personally, I am very glad Matthew Badger, who is undoubtedly suffering a tremendous amount of grief in these weeks, has had the presence of mind to hire a private investigator. I also hope he gets some answers very soon about this fire as he so deserves some! To me, he is the unsung hero in this story who had to stand right next to the man who improperly disposed of ashes that led to the deaths of his three children at their funeral no less, and arm in arm with his wife. How he did that is beyond me.
      I do not believe I could have been so kind or gentle as Matthew Badger was that day to Mr. Borcina.on the day of bis little girls’ funeral.

      1. Suzette says:

        Francis, I agree. Matthew Badger is the forgotten man in this tragedy – the unsung hero, as you posted – and this is sad and so unjust.

        1. Whatver says:

          The “unsung hero?” Getting a little carried away with yourself, aren’t you? Matthew Badger is a victim, to be sure – but FYI, you silly fool, the definition of a hero is as follows: a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities.

          1. Francis Ford says:

            I think unsung hero fits then.

            1. Whatever says:

              I guess you are right…the fact that he can get out of bed each morning after such a horrific loss does make him a man of distinguished courage.

    4. NYC10009 says:

      Haha! Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

      1. NYC10009 says:

        The above was directed to “Dutch” who claims Borcina “saved his life.” Thanks for the morning laugh, Dutch!

  37. Deborah Jeffries says:

    It would be so grossly unfair if only Borcina was charged. She allowed her family stay in a home that wasn’t fit or safe for occupancy. This was her home and the responsibility to provide a safe home was hers. She should face the same legal consequences that Borcina does, if they move to file charges. Stop making excuses for this woman.

    1. lauralee3 says:

      I do feel really bad for her though. In a very short span of time, Madonna has lost her title of ‘mother’ and sadly, of ‘daughter’ too. I really don’t think she meant for all of this to happen. Borcina, on the other hand,,,,,,,,,,

      1. Suzette says:

        I feel very sorry for Matthew Badger, but her? No way.

      2. Cherry says:

        I don’t think she did either.

  38. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Hey sap heads, the only living victim in all of this is Matthew Badger who couldn’t even let it (private body part) cool of before jumping into the sack with her thug boyfriend before filing for divorce. Matthew Badger should be glad he rid himself of that socialite trollop.

  39. Deborah Jeffries says:

    I see we have some sappy trolls here girls. SAVE THE SAP FOR THE PANCAKES , THIS IS NOT A MADONNA BADGER FAN CLUB. SHE AND HER HANDYMAN CON MAN ARE THE REASON WHY FIVE PEOPLE ARE DEAD. Now put that in your peace pipe and smoke it.

    1. nrichard says:

      wow – not sure what happened in your life to make you hate people that you do not even know so much – sad Deborah – I bet you attend church regularly and are an absolute pillar in your community – better go back to the scriptures and re-read the passage regarding the judgement of others lest you will be judged….. perhaps you have guilt issues since you are so vehement about these people – it would be interesting to see what’s in your closet!

      1. Astounding says:

        deborah, suzette and NYC are complete nutcases. I have read some amazingly ignorant things in my time, but I think these three almost took the cake in this thread.

        you three are total pyshos, may you have as little impact on society as possible in your lifetimes.

        1. Cherry says:

          So do I “Astounding”!

    2. sm says:

      You are an ass, plain and simple.

  40. sand says:

    This is a test

  41. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Of course nothing on my local cable NEWS 12 CT (SUCKS) but that was expected. The thing I find odd is why take out the smoke detectors and extinguishers? Not necessary for painting and especially with turpentine being so flammable. It really makes you think was this an accident? REALLY?

    1. Suzette says:

      Why haul smoke detectors and extinquishers, of all things, to the garage? Why, indeed?

    2. NYC10009 says:

      Chilling. I’m so glad the father has hired his own investigators.

  42. Cory says:

    Who made you Judge & Jury? Don’t have hate in your hearts. Have a little faith. Ladies the truth will prevail. To blame the Mother in this time of grief is bitter.
    I pray for you….

  43. adam says:

    The comments made here by some of you women, especially Deborah, Suzette and lauralee3, are disgraceful at best. You are using this forum as your personal gossip column to make some nasty speculative comments, with no basis in fact. Your gutter trash language here is not appreciated by those who can understand and emphasize with the life long pain and suffering that Madonna and her husband, in particular, with have to endure. We don’t need to add insult to injury by making hurtful comments here. If there is criminal negligence in this situation, let the law decide–we are not the judge and jury. Thank you Kevin for your beautiful comments which express my sentiments exactly.

    1. lauralee3 says:

      I think all of our comments are based on the ‘fact’ that there is more to this story than meets the eye…which is why the police are now investigating it and a why a private investigator has now been hired. And while I personally don’t want to see Madonna go to jail, I do believe that she was, in part, responsible for bringing that goon into her family home (or bringing her contractor into her bed, however you look at it). That error in judgement cost her dearly. I feel most sorry for Matthew Badger…his wife’s poor judgement cost him his only children.

      ps. I don’t mean to be ‘hurtful’ as you say…just calling ’em like I see ’em.

    2. Suzette says:

      Well, then, kevin, you should leave immediately. Fly away on your pink cloud of “empathy” for the two responsible for five horrific deaths, including three children. Go fill up the rose bowl with roses for the negligent duo, if you like. But keep in mind this is a respected public website, where people have the right to comment on the news articles printed here. This is what we will continue to do.

  44. Deborah Jeffries says:

    It would be interesting to see if my local cable News 12 CT has this story on the ten o’clock edition which is on twenty minutes from now. I’ll bet ten bucks they won’t because it’s the Madonna Badger fan club channel. I will let you guys know.

  45. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Suzette, Francis, NYC and lauralee if you’re ever in the Stamford area we MUST do lunch lol. Sorry that’s a little off topic but we have such a great meeting of the minds!

    1. Suzette says:

      Excellent idea!

    2. NYC10009 says:

      That would be fabulous! I’m female too, btw. Maybe we should start a FB page or something in case CBS stops posting new threads on this story. I’d hate not to be able to find you guys.

      1. Whatever says:

        Oh wow…your own narcissistic little fan club. Deborah, Suzette and Suzette, charter members.

        I didn’t think anything about this could be funny, but thanks for the laugh!

        1. NYC10009 says:

          Aw, Whatever/Cherry is projecting again, and stealing our lines that we used on her because she is unable to come up with any original thoughts of her own. I remember her doing this on the other thread.

          1. Whatever says:

            Don’t flatter yourself, moron.

  46. Deborah Jeffries says:

    I hope Matthew Badger can pick up the pieces of his life. I’ve seen so many web sites calling Madonna Badger a hero. Her children lived in a house with no smoke detectors, fire walls, no occupancy certificate in a house that was tinder dry. These safety violations alone are negligence without even adding the fire into the mix. Every day they lived there, her girl tribe was in danger. That’s a hero?

    1. Suzette says:

      I read one crackpot post where Badger was called a “hero” by some unknown blogger, who weaved a strange, descriptive tale of Badger and Borcina sharing Christmas Eve dinner with the soon-to-be-dead family. Later, she posted, Badger and Borcina snuggled at the fireplace, sharing one single thought. That Santa would burn his boots on the burning embers. So according to the blogger, “somehow” the embers ended up in “another area of the house” and caught on fire! Sure, they leaped into the bag then ran out to the mudroom by themselves. Needless to say, the writer of this tale was monitoring all comments. Plus, she was trying to link her post to every outlet on the Internet. She looked and sounded as if she was missing a few neurons in the accompanying photo and description of herself which she posted on the site. This may be typical of anyone who call that mother a “hero.”

    2. NYC10009 says:

      And I also can’t believe how she’s often referred to as a “strong woman.” A “strong woman” would never give her sociopath BF ultimate power over the safety of her family. A “strong woman” would double-check to make sure dangerous fireplace ashes were being disposed of in HER home. A “strong woman” would make sure all the permits were in place before allowing her family to sleep even one night in a home without a Certificate of Occupancy. A “strong woman” would have bought battery operated smoke detectors once she realized the contractor BF failed to activate the hard-wired one. A “strong woman” wouldn’t allow a man she hardly knows with a dubious reputation to sleep in her bed in front of her young daughters before her divorce was final.

      I could go on.

      1. NYC10009 says:

        Typo: “A strong woman would double-check to make sure dangerous fireplace ashes were being PROPERLY disposed of in her home.”

        1. claudette obrien says:

          maybe they were both drunk

  47. ab says:

    Did you mean “Christmas” fire? Are journalists that lazy?

  48. Deborah Jeffries says:

    It DOES matter if there were smoke detectors and fire extinguishers. They would still be alive and it would be a key piece of information that a possible criminal trial would hinge on. People don’t get an accidental fire is criminal if negligence is proven. I’d like to see reckless manslaughter in the first or second degree for BOTH OF THEM.

    1. Suzette says:

      Yes, those smoke detectors would have saved their lives! Plus, the fire extinquishers (today is the first we heard about them) may have kept the fire contained to the mudroom and kitchen – if they had been handy, that is, instead of being tossed in the garage before the fire.

      I agree both of them need to be charged with reckless manslaughter.

  49. lauralee3 says:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/mother_of_children_killed_tried_FIBHgckDXQ4jemqpPr1a9L I think the most telling statement of all is that Madonna is now surrounded by ‘long-time friends’….and we all know that Borcina is NOT a long-time friend. Maybe she realizes what a user-skank he is now. And kudos to Matthew for hiring a PI. He may have come across weak at the funeral, but he’ll have the upper-hand now. I really hope that Borcina goon gets some jail time for this.

    1. Suzette says:

      Good obeservation, lauralee. Maybe she has barred the door to Borcina, though it wouldn’t suprise me if that isn’t the case. As you said, kudos to Matthew Badger for hiring the investigator. And thanks, CBS, for being the first paper to print it.

      1. lauralee3 says:

        I’m sure she’s flattered by his manly attentions, but c’mon, she has access to the internet too and cannot ignore the fact that this guy was served papers in the hospital, has numerous judgements against him, was working with an expired license, blah, blah, blah….

        Go Matthew Badger!!

        1. Suzette says:

          Of course, she has read about it. The mystery is why she would have entrusted the safety of her children and elderly parents to him, without first checking him out.

          1. lauralee3 says:

            My guess is that once he filled her love tank, her judgement was clouded.

            1. NYC10009 says:

              She has no radar and never outgrew her “bad boy” phase. Unconsciously, I believe she knew Borcina is dangerous and creepy, but was attracted to that. The early warning signs and red flags are always there for smart, healthy women who know what to look for. Apparently, Badger is a very immature woman.

              1. Suzette says:

                Yep, a classic narcissist.

              2. silvia mahoney says:

                The woman just lost her 3 children and her parents and you people are already judging her and calling her immature and making lewd comments like “he filled her love tank?” What kind of people are you? Do you know she tried to commit suicide this week? Look who is calling who immature.

            2. Whatever says:

              You are one sick puppy.

    2. sue says:

      I have been reading through all of the comments here, and want to thank you and the others for expressing so well what I have always thought. I have so many questions about this tragedy and hope that Borcina is charged, as he should be.

      This story is completely full of holes. Borcina and Madonna were never on the upper floors during the fire. They had to have been on the ground floor. I have always felt that not grabbing the phone upon waking in horror as I ran to rescue my kids while simultaneously dialing 911 was highly suspect. I also don’t like the Dad’s death perhaps being due to a blow to the head.

      What grown man sees a little girl in front of him in a burning house, and doesn’t instinctively GRAB her?

      Their story is total BS.

  50. Deborah Jeffries says:

    Thanks Suzette and your comment is the best so far (as usual). I’m so glad Matthew Badger hired a PI which indicates suspicion. With this information, chances are criminal charges are imminent. I’m LIVID with Mayor Pavia and think he needs to set the record straight.

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